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Obviously this may sound harsh
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This may be a dumb question, but has anyone ever developed a project in
Flex and towards
Obviously this may sound harsh, but because the app you wrote
was buggier or harder to build isn't a reflection of the
technology in my opinion.
It is to me. There are a lot of things you can do with Flex in a day
that would take weeks to do in straight Flash/Actionscript. This is a
would say it's far from being an advantage of Flex itself, but more of
the component library with MXML representation. The same thing can be
done in Flash/ActionScript2. For instance the people of the ActionStep
project worked on such an XML representation that could instanciate the
UI.
Nicolas
: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
Obviously this may sound harsh, but because the app you wrote was
buggier or harder to build isn't a reflection of the
technology in my
opinion.
It is to me. There are a lot of things you can do with
Flex in a day
that would take weeks to do
The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't
seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections very
well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base
here, but I'd prefer to develop the front ends in flash and communicate back
and forth with a
What are you basing that on? The underlying Player, not framework
handles the low level connections, so it is the same regsardless of
whether the content was built in Flash Authoring or the Flex Framework.
In fact, Flex was originally built and designed with scalability as a
primary goal
: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't
seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections
very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd
prefer to develop the front ends in flash
Flex to me has seemed to discredit a lot of the flash developers
out there buy putting advanced functionality at the finger tips
of the average user.
This is the nature of programming; what was once difficult becomes simple,
and what was once impossible becomes difficult! Once upon a time, if
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Hi,
I've been too busy developping in Flash lately to give a try to the new Flex
yet, so excuse me if the following question sounds stupid:
Flex use
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Hi,
I've been too busy
absolutely need to have a specific Flex server of some sort
running in order to deliver those files?
Thank you,
Frank
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Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
Well, I think you should just stick with the tool that works for you. I´m
currently using Flash 8 IDE to build the layout and assets, and, for
me, it
is pretty good to build forms as well. The rest I do outside Flash, in
FlashDevelop and compile with MTASC ;)
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The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't
seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections
very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd
prefer
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and what about OpenLaszlo, has someone given it a try ?
I saw some very good demos overthere
http://www.openlaszlo.org/demos
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Hi,
I've been too busy
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and what about OpenLaszlo, has someone given it a try ?
I saw some very good demos overthere
http://www.openlaszlo.org
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Yes OpenLaszlo is a great solution. Ive used it quite a bit. They have
a awesome community for help and getting started with it.
jcanistrum wrote:
and what about
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The other issue i see with flex is it's ability to scale. It doesn't
seem to have the ability to handle a ton of simultaneous connections
very well, ala Flash Media Server. Perhaps I'm off base here, but I'd
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Yes OpenLaszlo is a great solution. Ive used it quite a bit. They have
a awesome community for help and getting
Boutin
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Yes OpenLaszlo is a great solution. Ive used it quite a bit. They
have
a awesome community for help and getting started with it.
jcanistrum wrote:
and what
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Yes OpenLaszlo is a great solution. Ive used it quite a bit
Diddo! I'd love to hear some discussion on this...
Doug Coning
Senior Web Development Programmer
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well my initial response is: Depends on who you're talking to.
I'm completely stoked about Flex2 builder in that building
applications/forms etc is what it's suited for. So, when dealing with these
type of projects its by far the choice IMHO.
But I don't know how you compare it to the Flash
It' more dependent on what kind of project you are building. Flex would
not be good for an animated cartoon or highly customized sites. It
takes much longer to build a business RIA in Flash... Etc.
Jason Merrill
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Enviado el: martes, 23 de mayo de 2006 12:01
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Asunto: RE: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash IDE
It' more dependent on what kind of project you are building
Personally I think a far more important question is how (well) Flex and Flash
will work together, because now we'll have 2 IDE's to
work with.
For a long time there have been 2 (or more) type of Flash users: developers and
designers. And with each new (Flash) version the gap
between the 2
and someone have experienced the openlaszlo to give some advice about it ?
it promises the same as Flex, plus outputs in SWF and DHTML, but it is free
and OpenSource. www.openlaszlo.org
and to get more people in trouble ( just to decide about -) there is haXe,
www.haxe.org also free, also
to use charts?
Doug Coning
Senior Web Development Programmer
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I am very frustrated by the IDE being split into two product lines. Like
many other Flash developers, I do both games and animation projects and also
RIA projects, so it looks like I'm now going to have to invest two products
from now on! This is just one reason why I'm shifting more and more
I am very frustrated by the IDE being split into two product lines.
Imagine if everyone had complained to Henry Ford about the same thing.
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I am very frustrated by the IDE being split into two product
lines. Like many other Flash developers, I do both games and
animation projects and also RIA projects, so it looks like
I'm now going to have to invest two products from now on!
This is just one reason why I'm shifting more and
But I don't have to buy 2 cars, one to get to work, and one to go away for
weekends. I'm fine if Adobe wants to sell multiple versions of the IDE,
like they have been doing with Basic and Professional.
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I am very frustrated by the IDE being
But I don't have to buy 2 cars, one to get to work, and one
to go away for weekends. I'm fine if Adobe wants to sell
multiple versions of the IDE, like they have been doing with
Basic and Professional.
That's a crappy analogy. These IDEs do DIFFERENT THINGS! A better analogy
might be, a
I guess whether you think it's a crappy analogy depends on whether you
believe Form-based applications are different enough from other flash apps
to warrant their own IDE. Personally, I don't. I can already build
Form-based apps just fine in Flash 8 or with DHTML. So please explain how
Flex is
Of Adam
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I guess whether you think it's a crappy analogy depends on whether you
believe Form-based applications are different enough from other flash
apps
to warrant their own IDE
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But I don't have to buy 2 cars, one to get to work, and one to go away
for weekends. I'm fine if Adobe
I guess whether you think it's a crappy analogy depends on
whether you believe Form-based applications are different
enough from other flash apps to warrant their own IDE.
Personally, I don't. I can already build Form-based apps
just fine in Flash 8 or with DHTML. So please explain how
This may be a dumb question, but has anyone ever developed a project in
Flex and towards the end decided that Flash would have been a better
tool for the project? Or vice-a-versa?
If so, why? I'm trying to determine if there are any pitfalls of
deciding to use Flex over Flash for larger
Haven´t used Flex Builder yet, but I must say I´m quite satisfied with the
Flash 8 IDE + FlashDevelop2 + mtasc bundle right now. Flash IDE is just fine
both for animations and for the building of forms IMHO.
Wether I will be going to Flex2 or haXe, keep working with AS2 will depend
on several
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I guess whether you think it's a crappy analogy depends on whether you
believe Form-based applications
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This may be a dumb question, but has anyone ever developed a project
Adam,
I hear what you're saying. It is frustrating to have to shell out money
for two different products.
Here's the history. The Flash IDE has had numerous workflow problems,
intrinsic problems and limitations in the language (prototype based),
slow engine (in comparison to fp9) and other
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