[flexcoders] Localized Flex Apps
Macromedia is looking for people in the process of designing or developing Flex applications that will run in different localized languages. Wed like to talk to you about what is difficult and what you would like us to do to make that easier. This is your chance to bend us to your will. Please forward your response to me off list and let me know the phase of development you are in and your back end technology (Java, ColdFusion, .NET, etc). Thank you Lucian Beebe Macromedia -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Flex Builder License
If any of you need more time with Flex Builder, just contact Macromedia's Customer Service for your region and they should give you an extension number. http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/cscontact/ Thank you Lucian -Original Message- From: Abdul Qabiz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:20 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex Builder License Hi, Developer version of Flex is full-fledged but it can only be used for non-commercial purpose. You can find more details of Flex licensing on Macromedia.com. If you buy Flex you will get Flex Builder, I guess if you apply for non-commercial version of Flex even then you get Flex Builder, though I am not sure on this. -abdul -Original Message- From: dhiren9 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:30 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Flex Builder License Does Macromedia give extensions to the Trial Versions of Flex Builder? Also, what are the limitations of the Developer Edition of Flex? Thanks. D Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price
Wow, Hans, I couldnt have said it better. We really do hear you. We really are trying to make the absolute best Flex development platform possible. And focus is the whole way we are getting there. The passion in this thread has served to underscore the desirability of Flex, and for that, we truly thank you. We will continue to guide Flex development and evolution so it remains every bit as desirable during every step of its evolution. Our care in its evolution will guarantee a good experience for everyone who gets involved. Thank you Lucian From: Simon Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:50 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price Good point Robert. Regards, Simon -Original Message- From: Robert Stuttaford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 April 2005 18:46 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price Simon, It is possible, currently, to use Flex with FlashORB for remoting. Apart from the license, its perfectly capable of being a standalone product mxmlc.exe is the compiler, I imagine a simple GUI for that would be all one would need. Technically sensible, but I think Macromedia want to regain some of their investment and let the current incarnation mature somewhat. As Hans mentions below, Im sure Macromedia are aware that Flex could provide massive benefit outside of their current focus. Well see, I guess J Robert From: Simon Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 April 2005 07:30 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price Perhaps Macromedia are planning a version of Flex that will allow the programmer to use MXML/Actionscript to generate an SWF, without the whole Flex Server Side Application (sorry - Flex Enterprise Server!) I imagine that the price for this would still be more than Flash MX 2004 Pro say £1,200 or so. I would pay that. Of course then connecting up to a server would still be a difficult task especially when you've used Flex and its built in Flash Remoting Gatewayand experienced how easy it makes it. So small companies that build web sites and small webapps would be able to take advantage of MXML without having to use Flash to do the whole job. Of course they would still buy Flash because its good or doing animation - just look at all those Flash Banner ads. Has this option been considered at Macromedia? Simon Fifield -Original Message- From: Hans Omli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 April 2005 18:16 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price Macromedia selected the medium/large enterprise as the beachhead to establish Flex as a worthwhile technology in the marketplace. With 200 customers as of December, I'd say Macromedia has been quite successful laying this foundation. It seems to me the new pricing signals an even greater focus on this market segment as Flex moves from a technology used by innovators (most of us here) to a product for early adopters. Since early adopters are most willing to pay high prices for the right to use a new product, the new pricing seems to make sense. I had expected new pricing in the 2.0 timeframe since this would be a natural point for transitioning from a technology to a product focus, but can see that early adopters are probably more interested in development support than they are in additional functionality at this point in the adoption life cycle. So, from that standpoint, the recent price changes combined with bundled support make a whole lot of business sense. Most of the friction around Flex pricing is more a question of target market than anything else, with the high level of friction in forums like this indicating to me there is significant demand for technology like Flex coming from many other markets outside of medium/large enterprises. I will be curious to see if/how Macromedia expands Flex into a more mainstream market. I suppose in some sense this has already begun with the limited use of Flex in ColdFusion MX 7. Nonetheless, it seems there is still quite a bit of money on the table for Laszlo and others to pursue... at least for now. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] FlashForward2005 - San Francisco
If anyone is in town for the show, please let me know. Ill get some of the Flex team together and we can all meet up at some point. Reply to the list and Ill collect names and see what we can do according to the number of people. Lucian Beebe Flex product manager Macromedia From: Robert Brueckmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:40 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] FlashForward2005 - San Francisco Anyone on this list going to this conference next week? I cant waitsome of the seminars look greatgranted its not Flex-oriented it still should provide some interesting info on actionscript, components, RIAs and what have you based on the what Ive read in the descriptions on some of the sessionsif not, these sessions Im attending still pertain to some of the other work I do here. At any ratejust was curious if Id get to put a face to an email address is all and maybe even see what youve been doing with Flex, if company confidentiality permits on your part to compare notesjust a thought. Cheers, Rob Robert L. Brueckmann Senior Web Developer Merlin Securities, LLC 595 Madison Avenue New York, NY 10022 p: 212.822.4821 f: 212.822.4820 From: Jason Szeto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:33 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Timer object for logout Also, the getTimer() function will return the number of milliseconds that have elapsed since the application started. From: Clint Modien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:27 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Timer object for logout Not that I can think of off the top of my head as a work around you could set a global datetime var in the app each time the user clicks on the app. Then use the setInterval function to check that global var every x number of seconds From: Jeff Krueger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:31 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Timer object for logout All, Is there any type of a timer object that can be used to log a user out of an app after a certain length of inactivity? Thanks Jeff This message contains information fromMerlin Securities, LLC, or from one of its affiliates, that may be confidential and privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, please refrain from any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this information and note that such actions are prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or by replying to this transmission. Merlin Securities, LLC is a registered broker-dealer. Services offered throughMerlin Securities, LLC are not insured by the FDIC or any other Federal Government Agency, are not deposits of or guaranteed byMerlin Securities, LLCand may lose value. Nothing in this communication shall constitute a solicitation or recommendation to buy or sell a particular security. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price
To Matthew below, certainly this is not a joke. But where you have been working on something great, lets talk. I'll contact you off line. On Laszlo, I am not going to start a whole Flex vs Laszlo discussion here, but suffice it to say that there are a lot of benefits for Flash Player 7 *if* you take advantage of them. Simply compiling a Flash Player 5 application for Flash Player 7 won't help a lot. There are values in accessibility, remote object binary protocols, performance optimizations, and dozens more, that all require lots of changes to leverage the new capabilities in Flash Player 7. We have most certainly done those all and many more in Flex 1.5. Finally, to the question of whether Flex is selling or not. The economists on this list have it right. We are selling Flex in great numbers. You may have seen that in December, we had over 200 customers. As a public company in the US, we are not allowed to give you specific updates, but suffice it to say that we are very excited about the success we are seeing and that has just encouraged us to adjust pricing and commitment in line with that success. Lucian -Original Message- From: Matthew Shirey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:17 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price What about a 2cpu license? Please answer. Your 'starter kit' is overkill for us. If our price is based on a minimum 4cpu price, then this is no longer a joke at all. We will have to drop Flex and never look back. We will have wasted months of training and actual development time. This is NOT a price I can justify to anyone. We're seriously disappointed in Macromedia at this time. We're a very small shop and its starting to look like Macromedia does not care about the little guy at all anymore. -- Matthew On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:00:13 -0500, Darron J. Schall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Steiner wrote: Lazslo, while the samples look great, is still based upon Flash player 5 (Beta 3 of Lazslo is player 6). It is one of those things where you have to wonder - how does Lazslo know what to extend of the Flash Player. The people that are contributing to it make guesses and try to extend the capabilities as far as they can, but they are still limited in their knowledge. I have never seen an API to the Flash player made readily available to the public. Also - as the Flash Player gets more complicated it will become more difficult to code hooks into the player to give developers the same functionality that is provided by Flex, and Breeze, and Flash, As a Flash developer, I'd like to chime in here.. The fact that Lazslo works on Flash Player 5 really isn't an issue. In fact, I'd say it's a bonus! Here's why: * Because Lazslo outputs to Flash Player 5, it has a larget target audience. See the penetration stats: http://www.macromedia.com/software/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetra tion.html -- FP 5 is 97%. FP7 is 82% - so apps created in Laszlo have a better chance of being viewed * There are no older is slower arguments. The v7 player will play a v5 swf faster than the v5 player, because the v7 player itself is faster than the v5 player. * The internals are abstracted away. Right now your Lazslo code publishes to .swf, but it's not tied to the Flash Player in any way - there are no MovieClip references, etc in your lazslo code. In fact, you don't even use ActionScript, you write in JavaScript. There's nothing to stop someone from writing a new player and with a few tweaks to the Laszlo compilation process you could have output for that new player. When you develop an application, do you really care about the internal API calls of Flash Player 7? If I'm a Lazslo developer, I say no.. I know what tags I can use in my markup, I know what the APIs are, and I use them and get a *working* .swf file. As long as it works, that's all I care about. If SWF5 is all it takes to make it work, then that's cool. Is there anything in v7 SWF that would benefit Lazslo apps? Not really. Some of the new things added in FP 7 over FP 6 is case sensitivty, depth management functions (getNextHighestDepth..) , context menu, etc,. The biggest change would probably be embedded video, and that may be a show stopper for some.. but it's rare that an application needs video in it. FP 6 adds some things over FP5 like ShardObjects, so I can see how upgrading to v6 in that respect would be benefitical. FP 6 also added different event handlers than FP5 (.onPress, vs on (press)) - but that has 0 effect on how I code my Lazslo markup. The FP6 style event handlers are meant to make AS coding easier, but Lazslo doesn't care about that because it has it's own coding model. The fact that Lazslo accomplishes what it does on an old version of the SWF format is not a drawback, it's a benefit. There's really no reason to use SWF7 if everything you
RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price
Maintenance will be calculated based on the CPUs or Quick Start price if you go that route. . I think thats pretty consistent with other software industry norms. Ill make you the same offer, Simon. Where you have serious projects running, lets talk directly and find a way to make this work out. Lucian From: Simon Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:49 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price My clients have also stretched themselves to purchase the 2cpu license, which cost more than theDual Processor server they purchased to match the spec. Now that the license for Flex is either 1 or 4 cpu does this mean that my clients are going to have to more than double the original purchase price when they need to renew their maintenance license? Or will the 1 cpu license cover the whole server? (i.e. does cpu mean server or does it mean processors?) Simon -Original Message- From: Matthew Shirey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March 2005 18:17 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price What about a 2cpu license? Please answer. Your 'starter kit' is overkill for us. If our price is based on a minimum 4cpu price, then this is no longer a joke at all. We will have to drop Flex and never look back. We will have wasted months of training and actual development time. This is NOT a price I can justify to anyone. We're seriously disappointed in Macromedia at this time. We're a very small shop and its starting to look like Macromedia does not care about the little guy at all anymore. -- Matthew On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:00:13 -0500, Darron J. Schall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Steiner wrote: Lazslo, while the samples look great, is still based upon Flash player 5 (Beta 3 of Lazslo is player 6). It is one of those things where you have to wonder - how does Lazslo know what to extend of the Flash Player. The people that are contributing to it make guesses and try to extend the capabilities as far as they can, but they are still limited in their knowledge. I have never seen an API to the Flash player made readily available to the public. Also - as the Flash Player gets more complicated it will become more difficult to code hooks into the player to give developers the same functionality that is provided by Flex, and Breeze, and Flash, As a Flash developer, I'd like to chime in here.. The fact that Lazslo works on Flash Player 5 really isn't an issue. In fact, I'd say it's a bonus! Here's why: * Because Lazslo outputs to Flash Player 5, it has a larget target audience. See the penetration stats: http://www.macromedia.com/software/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html -- FP 5 is 97%. FP7 is 82% - so apps created in Laszlo have a better chance of being viewed * There are no older is slower arguments. The v7 player will play a v5 swf faster than the v5 player, because the v7 player itself is faster than the v5 player. * The internals are abstracted away. Right now your Lazslo code publishes to .swf, but it's not tied to the Flash Player in any way - there are no MovieClip references, etc in your lazslo code. In fact, you don't even use ActionScript, you write in _javascript_. There's nothing to stop someone from writing a new player and with a few tweaks to the Laszlo compilation process you could have output for that new player. When you develop an application, do you really care about the internal API calls of Flash Player 7? If I'm a Lazslo developer, I say no.. I know what tags I can use in my markup, I know what the APIs are, and I use them and get a *working* .swf file. As long as it works, that's all I care about. If SWF5 is all it takes to make it work, then that's cool. Is there anything in v7 SWF that would benefit Lazslo apps? Not really. Some of the new things added in FP 7 over FP 6 is case sensitivty, depth management functions (getNextHighestDepth..) , context menu, etc,. The biggest change would probably be embedded video, and that may be a show stopper for some.. but it's rare that an application needs video in it. FP 6 adds some things over FP5 like ShardObjects, so I can see how upgrading to v6 in that respect would be benefitical. FP 6 also added different event handlers than FP5 (.onPress, vs on (press)) - but that has 0 effect on how I code my Lazslo markup. The FP6 style event handlers are meant to make AS coding easier, but Lazslo doesn't care about that because it has it's own coding model. The fact that Lazslo accomplishes what it does on an old version of the SWF format is not a drawback, it's a benefit. There's really no reason to use SWF7 if everything you need to do can be accomplished in SWF5. The fact that Lazslo separates itself from the Flash Player is another benefit as well.. If something should ever happen, maybe legal
RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price
The prices I gave below. They are $15,000 per CPU if you buy per CPU. If you want to get a package price on more than one CPU, we have the four CPU bundle called the Quick Start at $29,000. We don't have any 2-CPU pricing. Now having said that, where you are working on a Flex application that requires different deployment options, let us know. We are flexible to work with you. Please don't mistake us being flexible with wanting to keep the pricing private. The pricing is clearly stated. If you need something we don't provide, let us know because we want to work with you. Lucian -Original Message- From: Matthew Shirey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:27 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price I am more than a little frustrated about this... why don't we discuss it right here publically? Why is there a pricing scheme that is private interview based? I just want to know: Is there a 1CPU price? If so, what is it? Is there a 2CPU price? If so, what is it? These are not difficult questions. If there are no purchasing options available that are smaller than this 'starter kit'. Please just say so. As I already said in my private email. I need to know the answer to these questions. I have a lot of damage control to attend to. -- Matthew On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:16:43 -0800, Lucian Beebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maintenance will be calculated based on the CPUs or Quick Start price if you go that route. . I think that's pretty consistent with other software industry norms. I'll make you the same offer, Simon. Where you have serious projects running, lets talk directly and find a way to make this work out. Lucian From: Simon Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:49 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price My clients have also stretched themselves to purchase the 2cpu license, which cost more than the Dual Processor server they purchased to match the spec. Now that the license for Flex is either 1 or 4 cpu does this mean that my clients are going to have to more than double the original purchase price when they need to renew their maintenance license? Or will the 1 cpu license cover the whole server? (i.e. does cpu mean server or does it mean processors?) Simon -Original Message- From: Matthew Shirey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March 2005 18:17 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price What about a 2cpu license? Please answer. Your 'starter kit' is overkill for us. If our price is based on a minimum 4cpu price, then this is no longer a joke at all. We will have to drop Flex and never look back. We will have wasted months of training and actual development time. This is NOT a price I can justify to anyone. We're seriously disappointed in Macromedia at this time. We're a very small shop and its starting to look like Macromedia does not care about the little guy at all anymore. -- Matthew On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:00:13 -0500, Darron J. Schall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Steiner wrote: Lazslo, while the samples look great, is still based upon Flash player 5 (Beta 3 of Lazslo is player 6). It is one of those things where you have to wonder - how does Lazslo know what to extend of the Flash Player. The people that are contributing to it make guesses and try to extend the capabilities as far as they can, but they are still limited in their knowledge. I have never seen an API to the Flash player made readily available to the public. Also - as the Flash Player gets more complicated it will become more difficult to code hooks into the player to give developers the same functionality that is provided by Flex, and Breeze, and Flash, As a Flash developer, I'd like to chime in here.. The fact that Lazslo works on Flash Player 5 really isn't an issue. In fact, I'd say it's a bonus! Here's why: * Because Lazslo outputs to Flash Player 5, it has a larget target audience. See the penetration stats: http://www.macromedia.com/software/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetra tion.html -- FP 5 is 97%. FP7 is 82% - so apps created in Laszlo have a better chance of being viewed * There are no older is slower arguments. The v7 player will play a v5 swf faster than the v5 player, because the v7 player itself is faster than the v5 player. * The internals are abstracted away. Right now your Lazslo code publishes to .swf, but it's not tied to the Flash Player in any way - there are no MovieClip references, etc in your lazslo code. In fact, you don't even use ActionScript, you write in JavaScript. There's nothing to stop someone from writing a new player and with a few tweaks to the Laszlo
RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price - A Real Example of a Nearly Lost Sale
The price for maintenance is based on the price you paid, not any new prices for new packaging that might be in place at a future date. Lucian -Original Message- From: Dirk Eismann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:00 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price - A Real Example of a Nearly Lost Sale I've got a question concerning maintenance, maybe someone from MM can comment: we bought Flex 1.5 two months ago. When our maintenance period ends and we decide to extend the maintenance will the price for the new maintenance be based on the original price (12k) or the product's price at that moment in time? According to what Ian just wrote I would expect the first, is this right? Thanks, Dirk. PS One bit of good news - annual maintenance is based on the price you paid for the product, so getting it at the 'old' price means we pay less for maintenance in future years. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Ok, I am over defending the price hike now...her es why.
A lot of stuff here, so let me hit the highlights. Scott, and dozens more of you, we love the fact that you love Flex. We have tens of thousands of hours of development time into this product and it's a wonderful validation of our work that you love it. And don't think we take that lightly. Working directly with all of you is the only way we got Flex to the loving shape its in. We will continue to work with you. Continue to listen to every word you write. We may not respond to every message (we don't) and we may not react as fast as you would like, but you will see us react. Enough preamble, though it is all true. I read a couple of things here. On the OEM discussion. Our OEM licensing is very open and flexible. We really do recognize that companies are in all different sizes and places in their development. We want to get paid for the value OEMs will get from using our software, but sometimes we can't get paid until you do. This is exactly why I keep saying where you have a compelling model and there's something in it for everyone, let's talk. You'd be surprised to see the breadth of deals we do in that fashion, some would even work for your brilliant idea that didn't fly. To the broad discussion of transparency. We hear you. And others out there asking for the same thing. There are a few reasons to be concerned about giving away lots of details: US public company regulations, competition, rampant expectations, etc. But all of those are workable, of course. Over the coming months, I hope we can respond to your needs here with lots more openness. Over the past 6 months, you've seen more from Macromedia than in the past. You saw live demos of the Flash Player 8 a long time before its to be shipped which included feature descriptions, etc. While we'll never show everything, of course, we have more work to do and have lagged with Flex on this, admittedly, but we hope to make up for that over the next six months. Valid criticism. I appreciate that your mail gives us some broad directions to make sure we have covered. We'll be asking a LOT of people in the next few months what you need to know. I hope this helps you feel better about the immediate. For the long term, the only way to make you more comfortable is if our actions meet my words and your requests. Lucian -Original Message- From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Ok, I am over defending the price hike now...heres why. Ok, I've always wondered about a few issue and i'm in a broody mood so i'll air it here: (heh) I'm a developer who would like to make productX, lets just say my productX is a great idea for me to believe in. Now if i am stupid enough right now to attack my dream with Flex as a front-end tier and lets assume it all comes together and works a treat. I then go to market with my idea, i look around and eventually I find 5 customers willing to buy that said product. What are my options in terms of approaching Macromedia? Do i go down the OEM route? last i heard it was like 12% of the total price tag (i sell at) and you had to commit to x-number of UNITS in purchase. That for me is THE number one question I get asked when people probe me for insight into why flex is great and is always followed up with a yeah but how can i sell it to my clients. (I've been freely giving away advice / consultancy on FLEX and its power because i want more people using it to justify my personal investment in learning the product. Brisbane apparently has a few factions using it and i want more!) Now this could range from medoke web-site apps, CMS systems or into one big eBusiness off the shelf self deploy intranet system for a company to buy and then EXTEND outward. I know my company did just that, bought an intranet system and now they are extending outward to suite. Where is the innovation incubator - *I* know if i come up with a good idea, proove its working, i can then approach my local MM Sales team with it and they will give me an open honest answer - but thats me, i know that and the reason i know that as i've built up a relationship with them over the years. What i'm stating is wheres that encouragement in full public view, case studies and what not. Its like its one big secret and i have to ask why? its extremly harder for people like me to walk in and pitch it to people with buying power. MXDU 2005 by all reports had people shocked and excited that one vendor from Straker was able to get an apparent sweet deal on CFMX+FLEX in OEM? I heard more people talking about that then the freakin conference - which showed one thing, MM you have peoples attention with flex. I am not trying to be a pain in the butt and critical of the evil empire that which is Macromedia, just really curious as to why FLEX needs to be thise constant closed book and isn't as transparent as everyone seems to think. Where is its roadmap for the
RE: [flexcoders] Flex PDA?
This is one part of your message where you asked for more definition on the futures for Flex. As you know, Macromedia has a substantial investment in getting Flash based interfaces to mobile devices. PDAs are a part of that, as are cell phones and other devices. We have made a series of announcement about that. We will continue to work on that to bring the latest Flash Players to those devices as they become powerful enough to run the Players. Currently, the Flash Players for PDAs and cell phones are not Flash Player 7 yet. Clearly Flex has a ways to go to run on those devices, but that is absolutely a direction we are heading. Lucian -Original Message- From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:40 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Flex PDA? I notice my boss runs around daily holding his PDA and i guess lives by it (needs to schedule in toilet breaks). I then looked around and noticed others here do the same, and it got me thinking that maybe instead of requesting meetings here internally for 5mins of their time, I can shoot off a request or something along those lines - something to tap into the PDA. Has anyone had much experience with this and hopefully combined with FLEX? Can PDA's work with Flash Player 7 as yet? anyone got something I can go down this path with on? as i'd love to win some brownie points here in terms of that style approach... -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Flex license
The Flex license allows you to deploy as many Flex applications as you would like to run on the CPUs licensed. Lucian -Original Message- From: Valy Sivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:53 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Flex license Is flex license per web application? Can I deploy multiple apps using the same license number on the same server? Thanks a lot. Valy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price
Since all Flex 1.5 customers are on a maintenance program, upgrades come for free. Lucian From: Simon Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:14 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price Do you have upgrade prices for Flex 1.5 Users? -Original Message- From: Lucian Beebe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 March 2005 23:51 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price There has been a lot of speculation about price changes for Flex. Let's set the record straight. As of April 1, we are adjusting the price of Flex. There are now three different packages for Flex going forward. For most people, the starter kit will provide everything you need for your Flex applications: 4 CPUs and Gold Support for $29,000. That's actually cheaper than Flex was in the past for 4 CPUs + Gold Support. For the larger Flex applications out there, we will sell per CPU at $15,000 per CPU. Finally, for software vendors who want to embed Flex in their applications, we have special pricing built around your requirements and your market. However, and this is important, where you see value in Flex, we are interested in working with you to design the right packaging for your needs. If you are interested in using Flex on a real project, let us know so we can work with you and find the right packaging/pricing to fit your needs. In response to some of your comments, over time, we are very interested in offering additional licensing options to broaden the range of projects and developers who can leverage Flex technology. We follow the market very closely, and pay great attention to your constructive feedback. We all have a stake in the success of this marketplace. Why are we changing the price of Flex? We have been building, selling, and supporting Flex for a year now. The marketplace for rich Internet applications is really taking off. Hundreds of applications are being delivered all over the world, and the general interest level is really growing out there. Within this overall marketplace, there are a variety of customer segments and project types with varying requirements. Large enterprise customers and systems integration partners require substantial pre-sales engagement and ongoing assistance from Macromedia commensurate with the value that they intend to derive from the software. Small and medium size customers and individual developers require low up front costs to get started fast and operate within very limited IT budgets. It is important to have great offerings for each type of user. There is no one size fits all approach that both makes everyone successful and is sustainable over the long term. A stratified approach makes the most sense, and that's what we're gradually implementing. We've adjusted our core product pricing to better reflect both the value derived and the costs involved in driving successful projects within large enterprise customers. We've also created a starter package that combines deeply discounted Flex licenses with high quality support designed to address the needs of large customers doing pilot projects or medium size customers doing full deployments. Please talk to us if you have special needs. We will continue to work directly with enterprise customers doing larger deployments or who desire Enterprise Licensing Agreements. We also have specialized offerings for ISVs delivering packaged software solutions based on Flex. If you have a project specifically suited to Flex but need different packaging, please contact your Macromedia sales rep to discuss your project and the pricing options that meet your needs. If you see real value in Flex, there is probably a way to make it work. Lucian Beebe Flex product manager Macromedia Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Flex 1.5 price
There has been a lot of speculation about price changes for Flex. Let's set the record straight. As of April 1, we are adjusting the price of Flex. There are now three different packages for Flex going forward. For most people, the starter kit will provide everything you need for your Flex applications: 4 CPUs and Gold Support for $29,000. That's actually cheaper than Flex was in the past for 4 CPUs + Gold Support. For the larger Flex applications out there, we will sell per CPU at $15,000 per CPU. Finally, for software vendors who want to embed Flex in their applications, we have special pricing built around your requirements and your market. However, and this is important, where you see value in Flex, we are interested in working with you to design the right packaging for your needs. If you are interested in using Flex on a real project, let us know so we can work with you and find the right packaging/pricing to fit your needs. In response to some of your comments, over time, we are very interested in offering additional licensing options to broaden the range of projects and developers who can leverage Flex technology. We follow the market very closely, and pay great attention to your constructive feedback. We all have a stake in the success of this marketplace. Why are we changing the price of Flex? We have been building, selling, and supporting Flex for a year now. The marketplace for rich Internet applications is really taking off. Hundreds of applications are being delivered all over the world, and the general interest level is really growing out there. Within this overall marketplace, there are a variety of customer segments and project types with varying requirements. Large enterprise customers and systems integration partners require substantial pre-sales engagement and ongoing assistance from Macromedia commensurate with the value that they intend to derive from the software. Small and medium size customers and individual developers require low up front costs to get started fast and operate within very limited IT budgets. It is important to have great offerings for each type of user. There is no one size fits all approach that both makes everyone successful and is sustainable over the long term. A stratified approach makes the most sense, and that's what we're gradually implementing. We've adjusted our core product pricing to better reflect both the value derived and the costs involved in driving successful projects within large enterprise customers. We've also created a starter package that combines deeply discounted Flex licenses with high quality support designed to address the needs of large customers doing pilot projects or medium size customers doing full deployments. Please talk to us if you have special needs. We will continue to work directly with enterprise customers doing larger deployments or who desire Enterprise Licensing Agreements. We also have specialized offerings for ISVs delivering packaged software solutions based on Flex. If you have a project specifically suited to Flex but need different packaging, please contact your Macromedia sales rep to discuss your project and the pricing options that meet your needs. If you see real value in Flex, there is probably a way to make it work. Lucian Beebe Flex product manager Macromedia Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Macromedia Looking for Dynamic Flex Interfaces
Periodically, Macromedia asks for help from you, the Flex community. Recently, Ive solicited your thoughts about components and printing. Its incredibly valuable to us. It helps us get the product right so it works the way you want it to. I cant tell you how much direct impact you can have by getting involved. Every day, good, detailed messages make the rounds of our engineering teams. We often ask customers to speak about their projects. This is all very valuable. Please keep volunteering your opinions when we ask. Today, Id like to ask for your help in looking for several examples of your great work on really creative user interfaces built in Flex. Id love to talk to you if you have built application interfaces with multiple windows or with pods of content that appear and disappear with user action or grow and shrink with more or less data. Also interested if you use a lot of effects to choreograph your application interface state changes. Were looking for examples of the more dynamic Flex application interfaces out there. They dont have to be entirely successful, either. If youve got something like that or have been fighting to get it to work the way *you* want it to, Id love to hear from you. We can work together to make it better. In return, well offer a better system long term, some guidance on how to do it today, and a whole lot of gratitude. If you think you can help, please contact me off list and lets talk. Thank you Lucian Beebe Flex product manager Macromedia
Segue Silk Performer users out there?
Does anyone use Segues Silk Performer for performance testing applications, Flex or otherwise? If you can contact me off list, that would be great. Thank you Lucian Macromedia
RE: [flexcoders] stress test
As Matt pointed out, Silk Performer is the only tool on the market that can convert the AMF binary protocol to readable scripts. If you are looking to do multi-user stress/load/performance testing, definitely check it out. And yes, it is the opposite end of free. But you'll get great results. Lucian _ From: Matt Chotin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:27 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] stress test We just posted this Devnet article on testing AMF with Silk Performer. http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/flex/articles/amf_perftest.html _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:36 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] stress test Thanks Jonathan!!! One more question, can I edit/modify the AMF code?. I intend to emulate multiple client accessing a single server. The problem is the server rejects requests containing the same data for each client. I appreciate your help, Regards, Isaac Bibás Jonathan Bezuidenhout Para: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: m Asunto: Re: [flexcoders] stress test 22/02/2005 23:07 Por favor, responda a flexcoders I use the free Microsoft stress tool - it can even capture AMF traffic as binary posts.
Reminder about components survey
There are hundreds of you registered here and only 25 take our components survey?!? This is your chance to steer our development efforts to build the Flex components you need and to make it easy on you to develop Flex applications. Itll only take three minutes and it will help us all out a lot. You wont be put on any lists or contacted in any way unless *you* want to talk to someone about your thoughts for components development. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=10232857459 Thank you Lucian Beebe Flex product manager Macromedia
Component input for Macromedia
Thanks to your many postings on Flexcoders, we have a pretty good idea of the problems you experience with components in Flex. However, wed like to ask for some more general guidance on our components development. We have a quick and simple survey that will help us understand where to prioritize our work in the future. Is there a component that you really want us to upgrade? Missing components you need to be successful with Flex? This is a quick and simple way to let us know. Please click on the link below and take our survey. Your involvement will help us deliver what you need in Flex. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=10232857459 Thank you Lucian Beebe Flex product manager Macromedia
