[Flightgear-devel] gettimeofday, rand, simgear configure

2002-12-11 Thread David Luff
I've just tried configuring a fresh checkout of Simgear on a fresh install of Libranet Linux (Debian Woody based) and the configure script can't find gettimeofday, rand, srand, rand48 and a host of others at the end of the configure script. This breaks timing.cxx :-( Given that simultaneous

Re: [Flightgear-devel] gettimeofday, rand, simgear configure

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David, The best thing to do would be to look at your config.log and see exactly why those checks are failing. Regards, Curt. David Luff writes: I've just tried configuring a fresh checkout of Simgear on a fresh install of Libranet Linux (Debian Woody based) and the configure script can't

re: [Flightgear-devel] gettimeofday, rand, simgear configure

2002-12-11 Thread David Luff
Curtis L Olson writes: The best thing to do would be to look at your config.log and see exactly why those checks are failing. Hmm, why didn't I think of that? Doh! The checks that are unexpectedly failing all have references to the Metakit librarys. The stuff included below (for gettimeofday)

[Flightgear-devel] New Segfault, CVS this AM, gdb stack trace

2002-12-11 Thread William Earnest
Hello, Managed to get more info than usual from an execution crash after rebuild with 12/11/02 7AM EST CVS. Hope someone can make use of it. Run on RH 7.1, g++ = 2.96-112.7.1 of RH. -- Bill Earnest wde3@ptd-dot-net Linux Powered Allentown, PA, USA Computers, like air conditioners,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread Andy Ross
Carsten.Hoefer wrote: Forgetting about all 'unsafe' situations in helicopters, do we have one in flightgear? Is it possible to model one with the existing flight models we use? Not without a lot of code work. Helicopters have a bunch of effects that don't exist in the current FDMs. Things

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread C. Hotchkiss
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Tony Peden writes: --- Jim Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmmthat should thin the ranks down on Wall St even more. ... IMHO that thing even looks dangerous :-) More dangerous than a helicopter? ... It sounds like avoiding the vortex ring state... I

[Flightgear-devel] SimGear configure problem (metakit)

2002-12-11 Thread David Megginson
With the latest SimGear CVS, I'm getting this in config.log: configure:8649: checking for ftime configure:8699: gcc-3.2 -o conftest -g -O1 -finline-limit=6 -finline-functions -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/usr/X11R6/lib conftest.c -lm -ljpeg -lmk4 5 /usr/local/lib/libmk4.so:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear configure problem (metakit)

2002-12-11 Thread Andy Ross
David Megginson wrote: configure:8649: checking for ftime configure:8699: gcc-3.2 -o conftest -g -O1 -finline-limit=6 -finline-functions -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/usr/X11R6/lib conftest.c -lm -ljpeg -lmk4 5 /usr/local/lib/libmk4.so:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear configure problem (metakit)

2002-12-11 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: With the latest SimGear CVS, I'm getting this in config.log: configure:8649: checking for ftime configure:8699: gcc-3.2 -o conftest -g -O1 -finline-limit=6 -finline-functions -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/usr/X11R6/lib conftest.c -lm -ljpeg -lmk4 5

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear configure problem (metakit)

2002-12-11 Thread David Megginson
Norman Vine writes: But my question is Where is the requirement for -lmk coming from this is the only reference to metakit in configure.ac and it only checks for the header dnl Check for system installed metakit AC_CHECK_HEADER(mk4.h) if test x$ac_cv_header_mk4_h != xyes;

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear configure problem (metakit)

2002-12-11 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross writes: It looks to me like a gcc invocation (as opposed to g++) is being used I missed that completely. Thanks. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear configure problem (metakit)

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: No, and I wasn't experiencing this problem a few days ago. I'm using autoconf 2.57. I'll do more investigation. However, this line does appear in configure.ac (line 307): LIBS=$saved_LIBS -lmk4 Presumably, LIBS should be set back to saved_LIBS after the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear configure problem (metakit)

2002-12-11 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: Try adding LIBS=$saved_LIBS after the metakit version check and see if that cleans it up. Yes, that does the trick, and I see it's now in CVS. Thanks, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/

[Flightgear-devel] 0.9.1 for Mac OS X 10.1.5

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Has anyone built FlightGear 0.9.1 for Mac OS X yet? I'd like to be able to add the mac version to the downloads section at some point. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Segfault, CVS this AM, gdb stack trace

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I'm suddenly seeing this here myself ... anyone track this down yet? Curt. William Earnest writes: Hello, Managed to get more info than usual from an execution crash after rebuild with 12/11/02 7AM EST CVS. Hope someone can make use of it. Run on RH 7.1, g++ = 2.96-112.7.1 of RH.

re: [Flightgear-devel] gettimeofday, rand, simgear configure

2002-12-11 Thread ace project
--- David Luff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis L Olson writes: The best thing to do would be to look at your config.log and see exactly why those checks are failing. Hmm, why didn't I think of that? Doh! The checks that are unexpectedly failing all have references to the Metakit

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Segfault, CVS this AM, gdb stack trace

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Looks like fgInitProps() needs to have the sound manager initialized first. When it ties /sim/freeze/master, this calls setFreeze() which needs to have a valid globals-get_sound_mgr(). We might also be able to test if sound_mgr is null and not try to mess with it. Regards, Curt. William

[Flightgear-devel] howto add a 3D plane ingame ?

2002-12-11 Thread ace project
Our (ACE/ICE) multiplayer engine is ready to draw planes in the game now, but I cant seem to figure out how to add them to the drawing graph in a way that I can actually see them. Does anyone know how to do this or know the pitfalls why is it failing ? Tries so far: --- class

[Flightgear-devel] J3 Cub won't converge

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy, With the latest YASim changes, the J3 Cub won't converge for me (and others.) I get the following: Finally initializing fdm Start common FDM init ...initializing position... ...initializing ground elevation to -0.000431126ft... ...initializing sea-level radius... lat = 37.6117 alt =

[Flightgear-devel] Default startup aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
How close are we to making a 3d cockpit enabled C172 be our default startup aircraft? I notice that we can't operate the mixture, throttle, flaps via panel clicks and some of the knob click areas are a little off. Any thing else? The more I run with the 3d panels the more I like them, and the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] howto add a 3D plane ingame ?

2002-12-11 Thread David Findlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07:09, giovedì 12 dicembre 2002, ace project wrote this piece of wisdom: Our (ACE/ICE) multiplayer engine is ready to draw planes in the game now, but I cant seem to figure out how to add them to the drawing graph in a way that I can actually

Re: [Flightgear-devel] J3 Cub won't converge

2002-12-11 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: With the latest YASim changes, the J3 Cub won't converge for me (and others.) Confirmed. Sorry, I didn't test this one. Any ideas? No, sadly. A quick spot check shows that it fails for pretty much all sane configuration changes. And the thing that *should* return it

re: [Flightgear-devel] Default startup aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: I notice that we can't operate the mixture, throttle, flaps via panel clicks and some of the knob click areas are a little off. Any thing else? The more I run with the 3d panels the more I like them, and the more I dislike the 2d panels (although we still need to

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Objects obj.cxx,1.12,1.13

2002-12-11 Thread Martin Spott
Modified Files: obj.cxx Log Message: Have DummyBSphereEntity inherit from ssgBranch instead of ssgEntity, to allow building with the latest plib CVS. Uh, I appreciate this one _very_ much because it enables me to follow the current development. Thanks, Martin. -- Unix _IS_

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread Martin Spott
I think the big danger is at landing or takeoff. If you lose an engine or have any sort of mechanical failure on a single side, you are going to hit hard at some really odd angle. The engines are capable to deliver _enormous_ power for a short time in case of an engine failure - I believe

re: [Flightgear-devel] Default startup aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: Well, let's start cleaning them up. I don't think we're too far off, and with Andy's patch to make hotspots visible, it should be easy to debug the mouse problems and to add new hotspots for 3D instruments. That sounds great. I think our support for fully operation 3d

Re: [Flightgear-devel] howto add a 3D plane ingame ?

2002-12-11 Thread ace project
--- David Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07:09, giovedì 12 dicembre 2002, ace project wrote this piece of wisdom: Our (ACE/ICE) multiplayer engine is ready to draw planes in the game now, but I cant seem to figure out how to add them

re: [Flightgear-devel] Default startup aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: David Megginson writes: Well, let's start cleaning them up. I don't think we're too far off, and with Andy's patch to make hotspots visible, it should be easy to debug the mouse problems and to add new hotspots for 3D instruments. That sounds great. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] howto add a 3D plane ingame ?

2002-12-11 Thread ace project
First, My excuses if the message got posted multiple times !copypaste screwed up... --- David Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07:09, giovedì 12 dicembre 2002, ace project wrote this piece of wisdom: Our (ACE/ICE) multiplayer engine is

[Flightgear-devel] Random stats

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
These may or may not be interesting, but here are some recent stats for anyone who cares. In the last year, the biggest month for the web server was September when we did the 0.8.0 release. We did 180615 web hits in a single day (Sep. 13). This month when we released 0.9.0 we had a day (Dec. 4)

re: [Flightgear-devel] Default startup aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: Curtis L. Olson writes: David Megginson writes: Well, let's start cleaning them up. I don't think we're too far off, and with Andy's patch to make hotspots visible, it should be easy to debug the mouse problems and to add new hotspots for 3D instruments.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] J3 Cub won't converge

2002-12-11 Thread Andy Ross
I wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: With the latest YASim changes, the J3 Cub won't converge for me (and others.) Confirmed. Sorry, I didn't test this one. OK, fixed. The model was almost converging, but wasn't getting close enough to the threshold. It was oscillating around the right

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Default startup aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread Jon S Berndt
Curtis L. Olson writes: Yup, that's the one I've been using. It has a wierd jitter on the ground in the gear model that also causes it to spin slowly left. I don't know if that is something in the aero config or in the gear code, but I'd like to put that on the gripe list as well. Noted.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread Martin Spott
The big problematic area for this class of aircraft historically has been the transition between hover, or rotor based operation and flying, where the wings are important. That regime is unstable and recovery difficult. This does not have to be as difficult as it is with the V-22. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.9.1 for Mac OS X 10.1.5

2002-12-11 Thread Jonathan Polley
I would really like to build it, but since I haven't been able to access CVS since the roll out of 0.9.1, I can't. It's odd that only the CVS FlightGear and SimGear don't work (plib works just great). If someone would like to help me get CVS access again, I would love to build the MacOS 10.1

[Flightgear-devel] Re: J3 Cub won't converge

2002-12-11 Thread Alex Romosan
Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, fixed. The model was almost converging, but wasn't getting close enough to the threshold. It was oscillating around the right values, but each iteration moved to far to be considered done. This is a problem with this kind of heuristic. Just moving the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: ld: Undefined symbols error linking fgfs 0.9.1

2002-12-11 Thread David Drum
Quoth Andy Ross: Some of the missing symbols (slScheduler et. al.) should be found in the Plib sl library, which for some reason doesn't appear on your linker command line. The reason is that $HOSTTYPE is not macintosh, it is powerpc. I checked 10.0.4 and 10.1 on a TiBook, and 10.2 on a G4

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.9.1 for Mac OS X 10.1.5

2002-12-11 Thread John Check
On Wednesday 11 December 2002 6:30 pm, Jonathan Polley wrote: I would really like to build it, but since I haven't been able to access CVS since the roll out of 0.9.1, I can't. It's odd that only the CVS FlightGear and SimGear don't work (plib works just great). If someone would like to help

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Random stats

2002-12-11 Thread Martin Spott
In the last year, the biggest month for the web server was September when we did the 0.8.0 release. We did 180615 web hits in a single day (Sep. 13). This month when we released 0.9.0 we had a day (Dec. 4) where we hit 206997 web server hits in a single day. We were in the middle of moving

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.9.1 for Mac OS X

2002-12-11 Thread darrell.l.walisser.1
I gave it a try last week (Mac OS X 10.2). I had to make a bunch of small fixes to the clouds3d code to get it to compile. Mostly this involved changing int to GLint. Also had to add a current gl context function (Q: why is this needed?).

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Segfault, CVS this AM, gdb stack trace

2002-12-11 Thread Jim Wilson
Hmmm...I'm not getting any sound at all with this afternoon's cvs. Best, Jim Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Looks like fgInitProps() needs to have the sound manager initialized first. When it ties /sim/freeze/master, this calls setFreeze() which needs to have a valid

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Segfault, CVS this AM, gdb stack trace

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson writes: Hmmm...I'm not getting any sound at all with this afternoon's cvs. A light slowly begins to glow brighter above my head ... hold on. Looks like I inadvertantly dropped the AC_DEFINE(ENABLE_AUDIO_SUPPORT) so we were getting built without audio support which was why the freeze

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Segfault, CVS this AM, gdb stack trace

2002-12-11 Thread Jim Wilson
Hehe...I was just going to send an email on that. Maybe that pause code in fgprops should be ifdef'd with ENABLE_AUDIO_SUPPORT if you decide not to do away with the flag. Best, Jim Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Jim Wilson writes: Hmmm...I'm not getting any sound at all with this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: J3 Cub won't converge

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy, For what it's worth, I can reproduce this. Regards, Curt. Alex Romosan writes: Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, fixed. The model was almost converging, but wasn't getting close enough to the threshold. It was oscillating around the right values, but each iteration moved

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Slackware Packages

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon Stockill writes: New Slackware 8.0/8.1 and 9.0 packages for FlightGear 0.9.1 are now available at http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/ Thanks! Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.9.1 for Mac OS X 10.1.5

2002-12-11 Thread Jonathan Polley
On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 06:25 PM, John Check wrote: On Wednesday 11 December 2002 6:30 pm, Jonathan Polley wrote: I would really like to build it, but since I haven't been able to access CVS since the roll out of 0.9.1, I can't. It's odd that only the CVS FlightGear and SimGear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.9.1 for Mac OS X

2002-12-11 Thread Jonathan Polley
On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 06:49 PM, darrell.l.walisser.1 wrote: The end result of these changes is a sort-of running version. The clouds3d option doesn't work. It doesn't crash, but eats up huge quantities of memory (300MB+) after running(during fgfs startup) for a few minutes at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.9.1 for Mac OS X

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jonathan Polley writes: On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 06:49 PM, darrell.l.walisser.1 wrote: The end result of these changes is a sort-of running version. The clouds3d option doesn't work. It doesn't crash, but eats up huge quantities of memory (300MB+) after running(during

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.9.1 for Mac OS X 10.1.5

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jonathan Polley writes: I have looked at both sites and they still show 0.8/0.9 (FlightGear) and 0.2/0.3 (SimGear). I have tried logging into SimGear 0.3.1 and FlightGear 0.9.1 but both fail in the same manner. What is the proper repository? Jonathan, Next time you try to do a cvs

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Default startup aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread Dave Perry
I like the c172p-3d 3d model and 3d cockpit a lot. Three comments/concerns for the recent changes to the flight model: 1. The nose pitch-up when adding flaps seems extreem. If I don't change the elevator trim a lot, the plane actually stalls. If I recall correctly, the Piper Tri-Pacer

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: J3 Cub won't converge

2002-12-11 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Alex Romosan wrote: after updating to the latest cvs, i can't fly the a4-yasim anymore: For what it's worth, I can reproduce this. Oddly, I couldn't; the A-4 worked fine. But I did notice a newly induced failure of the (rarely used) Cessna 310 model. I gave it some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Default startup aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Dave Perry writes: I like the c172p-3d 3d model and 3d cockpit a lot. Three comments/concerns for the recent changes to the flight model: 1. The nose pitch-up when adding flaps seems extreem. If I don't change the elevator trim a lot, the plane actually stalls. If I recall

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: J3 Cub won't converge

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Alex Romosan wrote: after updating to the latest cvs, i can't fly the a4-yasim anymore: For what it's worth, I can reproduce this. Oddly, I couldn't; the A-4 worked fine. But I did notice a newly induced failure of the (rarely used)

re: [Flightgear-devel] Default startup aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread Luke Scharf
On Wed, 2002-12-11 at 17:20, David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: I notice that we can't operate the mixture, throttle, flaps via panel clicks and some of the knob click areas are a little off. Any thing else? The more I run with the 3d panels the more I like them, and the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Default startup aircraft

2002-12-11 Thread Luke Scharf
On Wed, 2002-12-11 at 21:24, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Dave Perry writes: I like the c172p-3d 3d model and 3d cockpit a lot. Three comments/concerns for the recent changes to the flight model: 1. The nose pitch-up when adding flaps seems extreem. If I don't change the elevator trim

[Flightgear-devel] Slackware Packages

2002-12-11 Thread Jon Stockill
New Slackware 8.0/8.1 and 9.0 packages for FlightGear 0.9.1 are now available at http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/ Enjoy! -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Random stats

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott writes: I thought several web mirrors were also included into your counter. I strongly believe at least the hits of www.de.projectgear.org are counted. Well yes, all the mirrors point to the same web counter, but that is more of a gimicy thing anyway ... I wasn't quoting any

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: ld: Undefined symbols error linking fgfs 0.9.1

2002-12-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Your best bet is to check the detailed results in config.log when configure failes a check which you think ought to pass. Regards, Curt. David Drum writes: I am getting to the final link again, but getting a much different error. Progress! # less configure [...] # Check for audio

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.9.1 for Mac OS X 10.1.5

2002-12-11 Thread John Check
On Wednesday 11 December 2002 9:05 pm, Jonathan Polley wrote: On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 06:25 PM, John Check wrote: On Wednesday 11 December 2002 6:30 pm, Jonathan Polley wrote: I would really like to build it, but since I haven't been able to access CVS since the roll out of