Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flap positions

2002-04-19 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: > Erik Hofman writes: > > > I think we should define a fixed value for each flap position, otherwise > > every module looking at the value has to support (>0 && <0.32 or >0.34 > > && <0.66 or >0.66 && <1.0)! > > How are you trying to use the information? There might

RE: [Flightgear-devel] U3-A 3D Cockpit

2002-04-19 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: > Does anyone know >how I might be able to scale the cockpit to about 99.9% of its >current size >and maintain the same origin, etc? Using ac3D. I know you >can resize with a >mouse but I'd rather have something more precise. Of course >I'm also thinking >that I could m

[Flightgear-devel] U3-A 3D Cockpit

2002-04-19 Thread Jim Wilson
Well I've been working on an interior for the U3-A for a while and have gotten to the point where it isn't too embarassing to reveal what it looks like. http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/c310-cockpit-1.png http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/c310-cockpit-2.png The cockpit was made by cutting a section

[Flightgear-devel] PLIB

2002-04-19 Thread Marcio Shimoda
What version of Plib I have to use to compile FG and Simgear? Marcio Shimoda ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

RE: [Flightgear-devel] latest cvs changes

2002-04-19 Thread Jon Berndt
>On Behalf Of Cameron Moore > What exactly do we want 1.0 to be? Here are some things I'd like to see > in 1.0: > > - Runway lighting > - Sane gear model in JSBSim In work, as we "speak". Of course, this has been "in work" for months, and is likely to continue to be for at least days if not wee

Re: [Flightgear-devel] latest cvs changes

2002-04-19 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curtis L. Olson) [2002.04.19 21:24]: > Anyone up for a 0.7.10 release sometime soon? If anyone wants a real > time wasting discussion, what do people think about switching from > 0.7.10, 0.7.11, 0.7.12, etc. to going 0.8, 0.9, 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, > that way it looks like our

[Flightgear-devel] FGFS Link Error

2002-04-19 Thread Paul Deppe
Gents, When making the latest CVS FGFS on Cygwin/Win2k, the following link error occurs: rc/WeatherCM/libWeatherCM.a ../../src/Input/libInput.a -lsgroute -lsgsk y -lsgephem -lsgtiming -lsgio -lsgscreen-lsgmath -lsgbucket -lsgdebu g -l sgmagvar -lsgmisc -lsgxml -lsgserial

[Flightgear-devel] Simgear timezone file parsing anomaly

2002-04-19 Thread Julian Foad
What this code says is "ignore anything after a hash ... unless we're compiling with Microsoft C, in which case only ignore lines which start with a hash". Surely this isn't intended. Curt checked in the change last May, but almost certainly didn't invent it. My tentative guess would be that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: LOCAL: "FlightGear" presentation in Davis,CA - May 7th

2002-04-19 Thread John Check
On Friday 19 April 2002 01:56 pm, you wrote: > Erik Hofman wrote: > > "FlightGear" flight simulator software for Linux and Windows > > presented by: Andy Ross of the FlightGear project > > I'd just like to point out that this is all Alex's fault. I didn't > have anything to do with it (other th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] latest cvs changes

2002-04-19 Thread John Check
On Friday 19 April 2002 04:34 am, you wrote: > Jim Wilson wrote: > > As for the numbering, how about jumping to 0.8 and then continuing on as > > we have? This will look like a pretty major update with the new models > > and 3d internal view. > > I would think 0.8.0 is reserved for a *stable* rel

..ot: aoulde gps, was: [Flightgear-devel] View problem

2002-04-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:44:14 -0400, "Norman Vine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <000701c1e7c1$712a8180$a300a8c0@nhv>: > im Wilson writes: > > > >Norman Vine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > >> >That would do the trick. We'd need that anyway if we wanted to do > >> >an approximate model of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fw: Airspeeds?

2002-04-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On 19 Apr 2002 05:25:24 -0700, Tony Peden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <1019219125.18988.16.camel@raptor>: > On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 17:57, John Wojnaroski wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > From: John Wojnaroski > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flap positions

2002-04-19 Thread David Megginson
Erik Hofman writes: > I think we should define a fixed value for each flap position, otherwise > every module looking at the value has to support (>0 && <0.32 or >0.34 > && <0.66 or >0.66 && <1.0)! How are you trying to use the information? There might be an easier approach. All the best

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Installing only changed header files

2002-04-19 Thread Julian Foad
Alex Romosan wrote: > > Julian Foad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Doesn't everyone have the same problem that I have: that after > > re-building plib and/or SimGear, even after a one-file change, the > > "make install" copies all of the header files to the install > > directory, putting the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flap positions

2002-04-19 Thread Tony Peden
--- Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andy Ross wrote: > > Erik Hofman wrote: > > > Well It's making it slightly difficult for the > sound code. But I saw > > > YASim does the same. > > > > These numbers are actually generated by the panel > code, not the FDM. > > Both FDMs just seek t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Realy strange

2002-04-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Julian Foad writes: > "Curtis L. Olson" wrote: > > > > These are actually harmless error messages for lines that aren't even > > executed by your version of automake, but the error checker isn't as > > smart as it could be and doesn't know about automake conditionals. > > Are you referring to th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Realy strange

2002-04-19 Thread Julian Foad
Alexander Kappes wrote: > > Thanks for the information Julian. Yes, I removed the old config.cache > file. > > Did I get this right, the only way to make it work again is reverting to > the old version? The old version of the auto-tools will probably work, but I don't know for sure. And I don

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Realy strange

2002-04-19 Thread Julian Foad
"Curtis L. Olson" wrote: > > These are actually harmless error messages for lines that aren't even > executed by your version of automake, but the error checker isn't as > smart as it could be and doesn't know about automake conditionals. Are you referring to this message (running automake):

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Strange opengl compiler error ?

2002-04-19 Thread Julian Foad
Marcel Wittebrood wrote: ... > I installed cygwin, plib, simgear and flightgear. ... > Something missing in this pdf is that one has to install > Xfree86 > Metakit You installed CygWin so you must be using MS Windows. The OpenGL components of MS Windows and CygWin are enough; you do not need to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Realy strange

2002-04-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Alexander, It's ok to be seeing this error messages about = vs +=. They are annoying, but harmless. Curt. Alexander Kappes writes: > > Thanks for the information Julian. Yes, I removed the old config.cache > file. > > Did I get this right, the only way to make it work again is reverting to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: LOCAL: "FlightGear" presentation in Davis,CA - May 7th

2002-04-19 Thread Andy Ross
Erik Hofman wrote: > "FlightGear" flight simulator software for Linux and Windows > presented by: Andy Ross of the FlightGear project I'd just like to point out that this is all Alex's fault. I didn't have anything to do with it (other than saying "uh, ok", that is). I haven't done much plann

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flap positions

2002-04-19 Thread Andy Ross
Erik Hofman wrote: > I think we should define a fixed value for each flap position, > otherwise every module looking at the value has to support (>0 && > <0.32 or >0.34 && <0.66 or >0.66 && <1.0)! They do anyway. Many aircraft don't even have fixed flap stations; a common homebuilt mechanism

[Flightgear-devel] Fwd: LOCAL: "FlightGear" presentation in Davis, CA - May 7th

2002-04-19 Thread Erik Hofman
FYI. The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD), will be holding a meeting on: Tuesday May 7th, 2002 6:30pm - 9:30pm (Doors open at 6:00pm; please try to arrive on-time!) The meeting will be held at: Z-World, Inc. 2900 Spafford Street Davis, CA 95616 (Near Sacramento)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Installing only changed header files

2002-04-19 Thread Julian Foad
Thanks; I think I'll do that. - Julian David Megginson wrote: > > Julian Foad writes: > > > Doesn't everyone have the same problem that I have: that after > > re-building plib and/or SimGear, even after a one-file change, the > > "make install" copies all of the header files to the install

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flap positions

2002-04-19 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: > Erik Hofman wrote: > > Well It's making it slightly difficult for the sound code. But I saw > > YASim does the same. > > These numbers are actually generated by the panel code, not the FDM. > Both FDMs just seek the position to the specified control input. In > this case, t

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Installing only changed header files

2002-04-19 Thread Alex Romosan
Julian Foad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Doesn't everyone have the same problem that I have: that after > re-building plib and/or SimGear, even after a one-file change, the > "make install" copies all of the header files to the install > directory, putting the current date stamp on them, even th

RE: [Flightgear-devel] View problem

2002-04-19 Thread Norman Vine
im Wilson writes: > >Norman Vine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> >That would do the trick. We'd need that anyway if we wanted to do an >> >approximate model of a GPS some day. >> >> I don't understand what you mean by model a GPS >> Are you are using 'GPS' to mean a 'muti-function' GPS receiver ?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flap positions

2002-04-19 Thread Andy Ross
Erik Hofman wrote: > Well It's making it slightly difficult for the sound code. But I saw > YASim does the same. These numbers are actually generated by the panel code, not the FDM. Both FDMs just seek the position to the specified control input. In this case, the panel code adds or subtracts

[Flightgear-devel] autoconf problem

2002-04-19 Thread Alexander Kappes
Ok, I installed now the old version of automake (v 2.4) but I have still problems running autogen --- ltkappes/home/kappes/ltka/fgfs/SimGear> autogen.sh Host info: Linux i686 automake: 1.4-p5 (14) Running aclocal Running autoheader autoheader: simgear/simgear_config.h.i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Strange opengl compiler error ?

2002-04-19 Thread Martin Spott
> I used getstarted.pdf to learn to compile flightgear. This is very nice to hear, so we know there really _are_ people reding our manual ;-) > Something missing in this pdf is that one has to install > Xfree86 > Metakit Hmmm, I believe it is _really_ obvious that yoy need X11 for FlightGear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] latest cvs changes

2002-04-19 Thread Martin Spott
> Anyone up for a 0.7.10 release sometime soon? I wouldn't object a 0.7.10 release as long as where were at least two or three weeks for fixing obvious known bugs that prevent users from using functionality that is _supposed_ to be usuable right now (see my posting on the Beech99). In the meantim

RE: [Flightgear-devel] View problem

2002-04-19 Thread Jim Wilson
Norman Vine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >That would do the trick. We'd need that anyway if we wanted to do an > >approximate model of a GPS some day. > > I don't understand what you mean by model a GPS > Are you are using 'GPS' to mean a 'muti-function' GPS receiver ? > Support for a "NRST" a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fw: Airspeeds?

2002-04-19 Thread John Wojnaroski
Hi, > > > Bottom line question for the FDM' rs: Would you take a few moments > > > to comment/explain how your models handle the various airspeeds. > > Just a quick thank you for the info put. To make the FG/OpenGC interface effective will require a little handshaking on both ends to sync up.

RE: [Flightgear-devel] View problem

2002-04-19 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: > >Norman Vine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> Perhaps tie'ing it to the current waypoint makes sense .. hmmm >> > >Yes, but I'd probably want to wait until I was within a few >kilometers of the "current" waypoint before switching. or perhaps when the 'current waypoint' i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flap positions

2002-04-19 Thread Erik Hofman
Tony Peden wrote: > That's normal from JSBSim. > > Is it causing you some difficulty? Well It's making it slightly difficult for the sound code. But I saw YASim does the same. I seem to remember this was {0.0 0.32 0.66 1.0} for both up and down. Anyhow, I'll adjust the sound files for this. E

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Realy strange

2002-04-19 Thread Alexander Kappes
Thanks for the information Julian. Yes, I removed the old config.cache file. Did I get this right, the only way to make it work again is reverting to the old version? Cheers Alexander On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Julian Foad wrote: > configure.in includes a fix to make it work with both versions of t

[Flightgear-devel] WARNING: ssgLoadMDL: Couldn't open MDL file

2002-04-19 Thread Martin Spott
Hello alltogether, would you mind changing this back to the previous behaviour which means not to crash if there's no model description. Unfortunalety I've been off scene for a few days so it's not quite clear to me when the change happened. I was trying the Beech99 in the hope to see a working g

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flap positions

2002-04-19 Thread Tony Peden
That's normal from JSBSim. Is it causing you some difficulty? --- Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > When checking the flap postions I notices they > return to another > postition then they came from: > > down: 0.0 --> 0.34 --> 0.68 --> 1.0 > up: 1.0 --> 0.66 --> 0.32

[Flightgear-devel] Flap positions

2002-04-19 Thread Erik Hofman
Hi, When checking the flap postions I notices they return to another postition then they came from: down: 0.0 --> 0.34 --> 0.68 --> 1.0 up: 1.0 --> 0.66 --> 0.32 --> 0.0 Is this the default for the c172? Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing lis

RE: [Flightgear-devel] View problem

2002-04-19 Thread Jim Wilson
Norman Vine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Perhaps tie'ing it to the current waypoint makes sense .. hmmm > Yes, but I'd probably want to wait until I was within a few kilometers of the "current" waypoint before switching. > Also The tile_cache mechanism could be extended to keep a list of >

RE: [Flightgear-devel] View problem

2002-04-19 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: > >Jim Wilson writes: > Possibly we can move the tower during teleports though...hmmm. +10 >If we came up with some code to find the closest airport to a lat/lon, >then we could write a function to move the tower view to the closest >airport, and bind a key to it. Or p

[Flightgear-devel] Strange opengl compiler error ?

2002-04-19 Thread Marcel Wittebrood
Dear developers, I am still in the process of becoming a developer. I installed cygwin, plib, simgear and flightgear. I used getstarted.pdf to learn to compile flightgear. Something missing in this pdf is that one has to install Xfree86 Metakit For simgear one has to install the latest versi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] View problem

2002-04-19 Thread Jim Wilson
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > If we came up with some code to find the closest airport to a lat/lon, > then we could write a function to move the tower view to the closest > airport, and bind a key to it. Or perhaps allow the user to specify > which airport to move the tower too

Re: [Flightgear-devel] View problem

2002-04-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson writes: > Yes, thats right, its looking at KABE directly. You will also note that the > tower view stays where it was even if you fly far away. Currently the tower > location is just an arbitrary setting the is based on the starting location, > until we have some real tower locations

Re: [Flightgear-devel] View problem

2002-04-19 Thread Jim Wilson
Yes, thats right, its looking at KABE directly. You will also note that the tower view stays where it was even if you fly far away. Currently the tower location is just an arbitrary setting the is based on the starting location, until we have some real tower locations in there. Possibly we can

[Flightgear-devel] View problem

2002-04-19 Thread William Earnest
Hello, Just got current CVS of all packages around 07:30 4/19 EDT and compiled without errors. Starting the default model, I am sitting at KSFO in the dark (as expected). Change environment airport to KABE and have a sunny day with proper hills in the distance. External chase view also cor

[Flightgear-devel] View problem

2002-04-19 Thread William Earnest
Hello, Just got current CVS of all packages around 07:30 4/19 EDT and compiled without errors. Starting the default model, I am sitting at KSFO in the dark (as expected). Change environment airport to KALE and have a sunny day with proper hills in the distance. External chase view also

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fw: Airspeeds?

2002-04-19 Thread Tony Peden
On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 21:02, John Wojnaroski wrote: > Hi, > > > The FDM interface treats CAS and IAS identically -- the calibration > > error, as you point out, is poorly defined and will vary between > > installations. All FDMs simply report a single "calibrated airspeed" > > value; if other co

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fw: Airspeeds?

2002-04-19 Thread Tony Peden
On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 18:23, Andy Ross wrote: > John Wojnaroski wrote: > > Indicated Airspeed (IAS) > > Calibrated Airspeed (CAS) > > Next comes Equivalent Airspeed (EAS) > > Finally TAS > > > > Bottom line question for the FDM' rs: Would you take a few moments > > to comment/explain how yo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fw: Airspeeds?

2002-04-19 Thread Tony Peden
On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 17:57, John Wojnaroski wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: John Wojnaroski > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:02 PM > Subject: Airspeeds? > > > Hi, > > On the subject of airspeeds: > > Indicated Airspeed (IAS) is calculated based on th

re: [Flightgear-devel] latest cvs changes

2002-04-19 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Curtis L. Olson writes: > > > Anyone up for a 0.7.10 release sometime soon? > > Yes, now (or as soon as practicable). While there will always be new > features to add, I think it's starting to get silly that we're not at > 1.0 yet (or soon) -- the p

re: [Flightgear-devel] latest cvs changes

2002-04-19 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > Anyone up for a 0.7.10 release sometime soon? Yes, now (or as soon as practicable). While there will always be new features to add, I think it's starting to get silly that we're not at 1.0 yet (or soon) -- the program, as-is, is already very suitable for VFR training,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Installing only changed header files

2002-04-19 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: > This is off the top of my head with a healthy mix of speculation. > But, I believe you can override the 'install' command in the > Makefiles. Often it is just "cp" or the is often an actual "install" > program or similar "install.sh" script. This means that in theory, >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] latest cvs changes

2002-04-19 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: > As for the numbering, how about jumping to 0.8 and then continuing on as we > have? This will look like a pretty major update with the new models and 3d > internal view. I would think 0.8.0 is reserved for a *stable* release. Although much has changed in the recent past, ch