Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Jorge Van Hemelryck
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:50:44 -0700 Andy Ross wrote: Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote: We already have an external HUD code. Actually, it is quite large, [...] and more importantly it can't be distributed. At all. That was my fear. Opinions differ (widely!) on this point. But in general,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SDL early access implementation

2004-04-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Bernie Bright wrote: Just updated cvs. Your fix looks for GL/glut.h when --enable-sdl is specified. I thought it was supposed to be either or. Not at this time, there are too many side projects/utilities that depend on glut (for example the tests subdirectory which gets build by default).

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote: Andy Ross wrote: Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote: We already have an external HUD code. Actually, it is quite large, [...] and more importantly it can't be distributed. At all. That was my fear. Opinions differ (widely!) on this point. But in general, adding a dynamic

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: CVS: source/src/Main fg_os_sdl.cxx, 1.5, 1.6

2004-04-08 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: Andy Ross wrote: It's a fine way, just not the only one. Most people run their desktops at high resolutions that may not be good choices for a 3D buffer. Older cards (like the Radeon 7500 in my laptop) can handle FlightGear just fine, but not at 1280x1024.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: CVS: source/src/Main fg_os_sdl.cxx, 1.5, 1.6

2004-04-08 Thread Oliver C.
On Thursday 08 April 2004 15:11, Jim Wilson wrote: You know with the huge vid memories and fast GPUs now, and the fact that LCD's are fixed resolution anyway, it won't be too many more years before mode switching will be a thing of the past! The problem with LCDs is, that their physical

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Andy Ross
Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote: Is it not possible to just include my work (with some improvements such as conditional compilation of the functionality) with the distribution of FlightGear ? It would make my task of making people accept FlightGear here easier... But you seem to miss the point. It

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ear Candy

2004-04-08 Thread Jim Wilson
Jorge Van Hemelryck said: On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:36:25 -0500 Jon Berndt wrote: Does FlightGear (or _could_ FlightGear) model Doppler shift and distance attenuation of an aircraft sound as viewed from the tower (or wherever) as the aircraft approaches and recedes? OpenAL can do this,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: I'm not sure what to think about this, but ... We already allow for things like this and I can see the need to drive external HUD code from within FlightGear (if nothing else for FlightGear's own HUD code on a separate display). My understanding was that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mingw

2004-04-08 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:14:57 -0500 Jon S Berndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does one get g++ under CygWin to use the mingw includes and libraries instead of the nominally supplied ones (which, I think, require the cygwin dll to execute). Jon

[Flightgear-devel] Mingw

2004-04-08 Thread Jon S Berndt
How does one get g++ under CygWin to use the mingw includes and libraries instead of the nominally supplied ones (which, I think, require the cygwin dll to execute). Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mingw

2004-04-08 Thread David Luff
On 4/8/04 at 10:14 AM Jon S Berndt wrote: How does one get g++ under CygWin to use the mingw includes and libraries instead of the nominally supplied ones (which, I think, require the cygwin dll to execute). I *think* that you just include the -mno-cygwin flag during compilation. eg g++

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mingw

2004-04-08 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:26:08 +0100 David Luff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/8/04 at 10:14 AM Jon S Berndt wrote: How does one get g++ under CygWin to use the mingw includes and libraries instead of the nominally supplied ones (which, I think, require the cygwin dll to execute). I *think*

[Flightgear-devel] Terrain textures

2004-04-08 Thread Jonathan Richards
I'm trying to experiment with alternative terrain textures for the scenery which I have built for the UK, but which looks odd when it's painted to look like an irrigated American prairie :¬) I took a look at $FG_ROOT/materials.xml, which defines how the materials are put together, and

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain textures

2004-04-08 Thread Richard Bytheway
-Original Message- From: Jonathan Richards Sent: 08 April 2004 5:11 pm To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain textures I'm trying to experiment with alternative terrain textures for the scenery which I have built for the UK, but which looks

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Jorge Van Hemelryck
First of all, I hope that I don't sound too harsh or rude when I write. I tend to be that way when argumenting. The only thing I want to show here is good will. On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 07:10:39 -0700 Andy Ross wrote: But you seem to miss the point. It would also *remove* the GPL requirements from

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Abort: AIMgr problem??

2004-04-08 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Folks, As mentioned a few days ago, it appears that flightgear either aborts, or fails with a DEADBEEF assertion error after running for a somewhat longer period (about 1 to two hours). So I tried and do some testing by running fgfs from inside the gnu debugger. It aborted after about 1.5

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mingw

2004-04-08 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Jon S Berndt wrote: On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:26:08 +0100 David Luff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/8/04 at 10:14 AM Jon S Berndt wrote: How does one get g++ under CygWin to use the mingw includes and libraries instead of the nominally supplied ones (which, I think, require the cygwin

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Andy Ross
Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote: The GPL requirements are in no way removed, of course. OK, excellent. My fear was that your management/team was afraid the GPL, and you were trying to sell them on this patch as a way to get around it. But do be aware that this stuff is complicated. An FSF

[Flightgear-devel] Real Cockpit Instruments

2004-04-08 Thread Carlos Renato
Hi, I am trying to assemble a cockpit with simulated instruments, I checked the previus messages and I found the procedures to use some different joysticks but there were no information for instrumentation, does someone developed the gauges and radio stack for it? Regards, Carlos

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mingw

2004-04-08 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:27:50 +0200 Frederic Bouvier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess that you should link with -lwsock32 ( or -lws2_32 if it isn't working ) -Fred That fixed it, thanks. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Real Cockpit Instruments

2004-04-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Carlos Renato wrote: I am trying to assemble a cockpit with simulated instruments, I checked the previus messages and I found the procedures to use some different joysticks but there were no information for instrumentation, does someone developed the gauges and radio stack for it? Are you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Jon Stockill
On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Andy Ross wrote: But do be aware that this stuff is complicated. An FSF interpretation of their license in a FAQ is not itself a license. There are many examples of dynamic linkage between GPL and proprietary code that are not generally interpreted as violations (binary

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Andy Ross
Jon Stockill wrote: That's because Linus made the exception - not because it's allowed by the GPL - in effect he extended the rights granted by the GPL (this is allowed - it's restricting rights that's forbidden). You're thinking about the exception for running programs, which appears at the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: CVS: source/src/Main fg_os_sdl.cxx, 1.5, 1.6

2004-04-08 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Ok, since you have your head into this at the moment: With X11, is it possible to run an SDL app in window (so it behaves well with the window manger) but in a window that fills the entire screen and is undecorated (so it looks full screen)?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Abort: AIMgr problem??

2004-04-08 Thread Andy Ross
Durk Talsma wrote: It looks like the crash is somewhere inside the AIMgr (judging from stackdump item #15), but since I'm still incredably unfamiliar with this part of the code, this might just be a wild guess. Anyways, I hope that this is useful debug information. Can others confirm this?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] More on JSBSim ground trimming issue

2004-04-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:41:08 +0200, Erik wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: /gear/nose ..this also works for the big An-226 and B-52 and the Bleriot having twin nose gear? ..AFAIK, the Bleriot mains are effectively 2 free swiveling nose wheels, and the tail wheel is effectively a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Abort: AIMgr problem??

2004-04-08 Thread Lee Elliott
On Friday 09 April 2004 01:47, Andy Ross wrote: Durk Talsma wrote: It looks like the crash is somewhere inside the AIMgr (judging from stackdump item #15), but since I'm still incredably unfamiliar with this part of the code, this might just be a wild guess. Anyways, I hope that this is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Abort: AIMgr problem??

2004-04-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross wrote: Durk Talsma wrote: It looks like the crash is somewhere inside the AIMgr (judging from stackdump item #15), but since I'm still incredably unfamiliar with this part of the code, this might just be a wild guess. Anyways, I hope that this is useful debug information. Can others

[Flightgear-devel] Memory Corruption

2004-04-08 Thread Andy Ross
Lee Elliott wrote: I first reported this on 02-April and had updated from cvs two days prior to mentioning the problem. I think the last update I'd done before that was about two weeks earlier. Can anyone confirm the same behavior from the 0.9.4 binaries? (I think it branched sometime right

[Flightgear-devel] ..more legal _shit_, Microsofts New Zeeland XML patent...

2004-04-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Hi, ..more legal _shit_, Microsofts New Zeeland XML patent... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040408113135111 http://www.nzoss.org.nz/portal/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=290 http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOCIDX=EP1376387QPN=EP1376387

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:27:10 -0700, Andy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jon Stockill wrote: That's because Linus made the exception - not because it's allowed by the GPL - in effect he extended the rights granted by the GPL (this is allowed - it's restricting rights that's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:54:10 +0200, Jorge wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:50:44 -0700 Andy Ross wrote: Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote: We already have an external HUD code. Actually, it is quite large, [...] and more importantly it can't be distributed. At all.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Real Cockpit Instruments

2004-04-08 Thread John Wojnaroski
Hi, I am trying to assemble a cockpit with simulated instruments, I checked the previus messages and I found the procedures to use some different joysticks but there were no information for instrumentation, does someone developed the gauges and radio stack for it? Regards, Did you