Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: TaxiDraw-0.2 Released
David Luff wrote: Additionally, data files from TaxiDraw can now be submitted to myself (david dot luff at nottingham dot ac dot uk) and I will make them available on the TaxiDraw website, and forward them on to the master database in appropriate format. Curt has agreed to use the data on the TaxiDraw site for scenery rebuilding, so this should be a fairly reliable method to see your work in FlightGear. Thanks, this is a great service to FlightGear users, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Vamos
This racing simulation appears to be somehow related to FlightGear - at least it makes use of Simgear: http://vamos.sourceforge.net/requirements.html Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: TaxiDraw-0.2 Released
On Tuesday 12 October 2004 13:39, David Luff wrote: Unfortunately, Robin doesn't seem to have any data for download at the moment. Hence I've put the last set of X-Plane data up on my site *temporarily*. Please check back to Robin's site and download the updated data when available. Please report any bugs or annoyances with this version - Great work, but i have one wish. Could you implement a feature that allows to switch the given default dimension unit between feet an meter? For example in the taxiway propertie menu the length and width of a taxiway is given in feet, but personally i prefer meter because it is easier for me to visualise a dimension when it is given in meter. Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/simgear/scene Makefile.am, 1.4, 1.5
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/scene In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv10533/simgear/scene Modified Files: Makefile.am Log Message: Final 0.3.7 changes. Index: Makefile.am === RCS file: /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/scene/Makefile.am,v retrieving revision 1.4 retrieving revision 1.5 diff -C2 -r1.4 -r1.5 *** Makefile.am 30 May 2003 15:16:26 - 1.4 --- Makefile.am 12 Oct 2004 14:35:42 - 1.5 *** *** 1,5 includedir = @includedir@/scene ! SUBDIRS = material model sky tgdb # lib_LIBRARIES = libsgscene.a --- 1,5 includedir = @includedir@/scene ! SUBDIRS = fgsg material model sky tgdb What is fgsg ? I can't see it in CVS. -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: TaxiDraw-0.2 Released
On 10/12/04 at 5:08 PM Oliver C. wrote: Great work, but i have one wish. Could you implement a feature that allows to switch the given default dimension unit between feet an meter? For example in the taxiway propertie menu the length and width of a taxiway is given in feet, but personally i prefer meter because it is easier for me to visualise a dimension when it is given in meter. That should be no problem - TaxiDraw works in meters internally anyway. The only reason for the use of feet is that most US airport data seems to be specified in feet. As a European under the age of forty I thoroughly agree with your preference for meters ;-) Cheers - Dave This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/simgear/scene Makefile.am, 1.4, 1.5
Shoot, that is junk that probalby shouldn't be there. I don't think it actually causes a problem though. Curt. Frederic Bouvier wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/scene In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv10533/simgear/scene Modified Files: Makefile.am Log Message: Final 0.3.7 changes. Index: Makefile.am === RCS file: /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/scene/Makefile.am,v retrieving revision 1.4 retrieving revision 1.5 diff -C2 -r1.4 -r1.5 *** Makefile.am 30 May 2003 15:16:26 - 1.4 --- Makefile.am 12 Oct 2004 14:35:42 - 1.5 *** *** 1,5 includedir = @includedir@/scene ! SUBDIRS = material model sky tgdb # lib_LIBRARIES = libsgscene.a --- 1,5 includedir = @includedir@/scene ! SUBDIRS = fgsg material model sky tgdb What is fgsg ? I can't see it in CVS. -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/simgear/scene Makefile.am, 1.4, 1.5
In the tarball, the directory is there with a Makefile.am with zero length and a Makefile.in. I didn't try to generate from the tarball. -Fred Curtis L. Olson wrote: Shoot, that is junk that probalby shouldn't be there. I don't think it actually causes a problem though. Curt. Frederic Bouvier wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/scene In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv10533/simgear/scene Modified Files: Makefile.am Log Message: Final 0.3.7 changes. Index: Makefile.am === RCS file: /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/scene/Makefile.am,v retrieving revision 1.4 retrieving revision 1.5 diff -C2 -r1.4 -r1.5 *** Makefile.am 30 May 2003 15:16:26 - 1.4 --- Makefile.am 12 Oct 2004 14:35:42 - 1.5 *** *** 1,5 includedir = @includedir@/scene ! SUBDIRS = material model sky tgdb # lib_LIBRARIES = libsgscene.a --- 1,5 includedir = @includedir@/scene ! SUBDIRS = fgsg material model sky tgdb What is fgsg ? I can't see it in CVS. -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/releases In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv18174 Added Files: FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz Log Message: Official source release for v0.9.6 I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build the upcoming binary releases with a crease-patched version of current PLIB CVS ? Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,
Martin Spott wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/releases In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv18174 Added Files: FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz Log Message: Official source release for v0.9.6 I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build the upcoming binary releases with a crease-patched version of current PLIB CVS ? My Win32 build has it. I test it again and then send it to Curt. -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,
Martin Spott wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/releases In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv18174 Added Files: FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz Log Message: Official source release for v0.9.6 I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build the upcoming binary releases with a crease-patched version of current PLIB CVS ? I've tried it on 4 systems now and not run into any problems. It certainly makes sense to me. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases
Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build the upcoming binary releases with a crease-patched version of current PLIB CVS ? Ahem, for this purpose I'll have put a patched version here within the next couple of minutes that might serve as a reference if people tend to agree :-) ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Source/plib-20041010-crease.tar.gz Another question related to the recent performance increases - did the dlists patch make it into the final release? -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases
Martin Spott wrote: I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build the upcoming binary releases with a crease-patched version of current PLIB CVS ? Ahem, for this purpose I'll have put a patched version here within the next couple of minutes that might serve as a reference if people tend to agree :-) ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Source/plib-20041010-crease.tar.gz Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases
Selon Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build the upcoming binary releases with a crease-patched version of current PLIB CVS ? Ahem, for this purpose I'll have put a patched version here within the next couple of minutes that might serve as a reference if people tend to agree :-) ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Source/plib-20041010-crease.tar.gz Another question related to the recent performance increases - did the dlists patch make it into the final release? Yes, and it is mentionned in the NEWS files -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,
Martin Spott wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/releases In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv18174 Added Files: FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz Log Message: Official source release for v0.9.6 I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build the upcoming binary releases with a crease-patched version of current PLIB CVS ? I will Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases
Martin, If so, you might want to include some updated 3d models. For example the 737 is still flat shaded and the adf instrument is still ordered in in the wrong direction in current cvs base package. I am currently reviewing our models and will provide a patch later this evening. Greetings Mathias On Dienstag 12 Oktober 2004 19:14, Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build the upcoming binary releases with a crease-patched version of current PLIB CVS ? Ahem, for this purpose I'll have put a patched version here within the next couple of minutes that might serve as a reference if people tend to agree :-) ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Source/plib-20041010-crease.tar.gz Martin. -- Mathias Frhlich, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Joystick recomodation
Hi, I couldn't find any recomodation for a good Joystick on the web page... Which should I buy? It must be an USB one (are there any others left?) and will nearly exclusively be used for flying simulators (FlightGear and MSFS). It should wor out of the box with FGFS. Linux compatability isn't important (although nice to have) Oh, the price tag shouldn't be much higher than 50 Euro / $. Thanks, Christian ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
On Monday 11 October 2004 10:37, Jon Stockill wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: This patch is great - it works and it significantly increases the frame rate on a simple Linux-PC (old 600 MHz PentiumIII with Radeon9200) from 4-5 to 7-8 fps on the default location, With the recent display list changes things now settle at stable 10 fps. I'd like to express my thanks to everyone who participated in this tremendous improvement(s) ! crease + display list = WOW! I've gone from 3-4FPS at KSFO in the C172 to a rock solid 12 - this seems to be limited by the instruments, because turning the view, or selecting an external view gets 25-35, even with all those models around. I've NEVER seen FlightGear run so smoothly. The fact that a forward cockpit view is so stable (it doesn't matter how many models you point the aircraft at) makes landings at KSFO really smooth, where they used to be almost impossible before because the frame rate was so unpredictable. Thanks to all who contributed. The crease patch works well for me here but the DList patch seems to result in a consistent seg fault. I suspect it's due to the ATI Linux drivers for my Radeon 9200. Can anyone else running Linux with a Radeon 9xxx series card, using ATI's drivers confirm if it works for them? TIA LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
Lee Elliott a écrit : On Monday 11 October 2004 10:37, Jon Stockill wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: This patch is great - it works and it significantly increases the frame rate on a simple Linux-PC (old 600 MHz PentiumIII with Radeon9200) from 4-5 to 7-8 fps on the default location, With the recent display list changes things now settle at stable 10 fps. I'd like to express my thanks to everyone who participated in this tremendous improvement(s) ! crease + display list = WOW! I've gone from 3-4FPS at KSFO in the C172 to a rock solid 12 - this seems to be limited by the instruments, because turning the view, or selecting an external view gets 25-35, even with all those models around. I've NEVER seen FlightGear run so smoothly. The fact that a forward cockpit view is so stable (it doesn't matter how many models you point the aircraft at) makes landings at KSFO really smooth, where they used to be almost impossible before because the frame rate was so unpredictable. Thanks to all who contributed. The crease patch works well for me here but the DList patch seems to result in a consistent seg fault. I suspect it's due to the ATI Linux drivers for my Radeon 9200. Can anyone else running Linux with a Radeon 9xxx series card, using ATI's drivers confirm if it works for them? If you are trying to run the patch initially posted by Erik, yes it must segfault. But it has been improved and is now in CVS. Do you run current CVS without change to obj.cxx ? -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
Lee Elliott wrote: On Monday 11 October 2004 10:37, Jon Stockill wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: This patch is great - it works and it significantly increases the frame rate on a simple Linux-PC (old 600 MHz PentiumIII with Radeon9200) from 4-5 to 7-8 fps on the default location, With the recent display list changes things now settle at stable 10 fps. I'd like to express my thanks to everyone who participated in this tremendous improvement(s) ! crease + display list = WOW! I've gone from 3-4FPS at KSFO in the C172 to a rock solid 12 - this seems to be limited by the instruments, because turning the view, or selecting an external view gets 25-35, even with all those models around. I've NEVER seen FlightGear run so smoothly. The fact that a forward cockpit view is so stable (it doesn't matter how many models you point the aircraft at) makes landings at KSFO really smooth, where they used to be almost impossible before because the frame rate was so unpredictable. Thanks to all who contributed. The crease patch works well for me here but the DList patch seems to result in a consistent seg fault. I suspect it's due to the ATI Linux drivers for my Radeon 9200. Can anyone else running Linux with a Radeon 9xxx series card, using ATI's drivers confirm if it works for them? TIA LeeE Are you sure you use the latest simgear? makeDList() should now be in simgear/scene/model/model.cxx Horst ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
On Tuesday 12 October 2004 20:08, Horst J. Wobig wrote: Lee Elliott wrote: On Monday 11 October 2004 10:37, Jon Stockill wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: This patch is great - it works and it significantly increases the frame rate on a simple Linux-PC (old 600 MHz PentiumIII with Radeon9200) from 4-5 to 7-8 fps on the default location, With the recent display list changes things now settle at stable 10 fps. I'd like to express my thanks to everyone who participated in this tremendous improvement(s) ! crease + display list = WOW! I've gone from 3-4FPS at KSFO in the C172 to a rock solid 12 - this seems to be limited by the instruments, because turning the view, or selecting an external view gets 25-35, even with all those models around. I've NEVER seen FlightGear run so smoothly. The fact that a forward cockpit view is so stable (it doesn't matter how many models you point the aircraft at) makes landings at KSFO really smooth, where they used to be almost impossible before because the frame rate was so unpredictable. Thanks to all who contributed. The crease patch works well for me here but the DList patch seems to result in a consistent seg fault. I suspect it's due to the ATI Linux drivers for my Radeon 9200. Can anyone else running Linux with a Radeon 9xxx series card, using ATI's drivers confirm if it works for them? TIA LeeE Are you sure you use the latest simgear? makeDList() should now be in simgear/scene/model/model.cxx Horst I'm a few days old - I'll re-fresh. Thanks. LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
Frederic Bouvier a écrit : Lee Elliott a écrit : The crease patch works well for me here but the DList patch seems to result in a consistent seg fault. I suspect it's due to the ATI Linux drivers for my Radeon 9200. Can anyone else running Linux with a Radeon 9xxx series card, using ATI's drivers confirm if it works for them? If you are trying to run the patch initially posted by Erik, yes it must segfault. But it has been improved and is now in CVS. Do you run current CVS without change to obj.cxx ? It was leaf.cxx not obj.cxx. -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
On Tuesday 12 October 2004 14:59, Lee Elliott wrote: On Monday 11 October 2004 10:37, Jon Stockill wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: This patch is great - it works and it significantly increases the frame rate on a simple Linux-PC (old 600 MHz PentiumIII with Radeon9200) from 4-5 to 7-8 fps on the default location, With the recent display list changes things now settle at stable 10 fps. I'd like to express my thanks to everyone who participated in this tremendous improvement(s) ! crease + display list = WOW! I've gone from 3-4FPS at KSFO in the C172 to a rock solid 12 - this seems to be limited by the instruments, because turning the view, or selecting an external view gets 25-35, even with all those models around. I've NEVER seen FlightGear run so smoothly. The fact that a forward cockpit view is so stable (it doesn't matter how many models you point the aircraft at) makes landings at KSFO really smooth, where they used to be almost impossible before because the frame rate was so unpredictable. Thanks to all who contributed. The crease patch works well for me here but the DList patch seems to result in a consistent seg fault. I suspect it's due to the ATI Linux drivers for my Radeon 9200. Can anyone else running Linux with a Radeon 9xxx series card, using ATI's drivers confirm if it works for them? I'm running 9200/Linux/DRI drivers... the crease patch was great (thanks!). The DList patch gives me a frame rate of around 0.2 fps when I look at any objects or change the view... it might as well segfault. I don't use the ATI drivers on Linux because they are way too buggy (artifacts,performance,..)... not even worth testing until ATI releases new drivers again. Wishing I had chosen Nvidia so I could enjoy DLists :, Simon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
Simon Hollier a écrit : I'm running 9200/Linux/DRI drivers... the crease patch was great (thanks!). The DList patch gives me a frame rate of around 0.2 fps when I look at any objects or change the view... it might as well segfault. I don't use the ATI drivers on Linux because they are way too buggy (artifacts,performance,..)... not even worth testing until ATI releases new drivers again. Wishing I had chosen Nvidia so I could enjoy DLists :, Forgot the Dlist patch that was posted on the list by Erik and get the all new 0.9.6 or CVS -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,
Erik Hofman wrote: Sent: 12 October 2004 18:42 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE, Martin Spott wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/releases In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv18174 Added Files: FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz Log Message: Official source release for v0.9.6 I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build the upcoming binary releases with a crease-patched version of current PLIB CVS ? I will Hmmm ... last time I tried Plib cvs (last week) there seemed to be some problem with joystick axes under Cygwin. I reverted to 1.8.3, no problem. Lack of time has precluded further investigation. Regards Vivian ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
On Tuesday 12 October 2004 15:27, Frederic Bouvier wrote: Simon Hollier a écrit : I'm running 9200/Linux/DRI drivers... the crease patch was great (thanks!). The DList patch gives me a frame rate of around 0.2 fps when I look at any objects or change the view... it might as well segfault. I don't use the ATI drivers on Linux because they are way too buggy (artifacts,performance,..)... not even worth testing until ATI releases new drivers again. Wishing I had chosen Nvidia so I could enjoy DLists :, Forgot the Dlist patch that was posted on the list by Erik and get the all new 0.9.6 or CVS -Fred This was CVS ( plib,simgear,flightgear) as of yesterday with the simgear DList patch... Simon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,
Vivian Meazza wrote :
Hmmm ... last time I tried Plib cvs (last week) there seemed to be some
problem with joystick axes under Cygwin. I reverted to 1.8.3, no problem.
Lack of time has precluded further investigation.
I already posted on that subject on the plib list but without any response.
The patch below will cure the joystick problem on Windows :
Index: jsWindows.cxx
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/plib/plib/src/js/jsWindows.cxx,v
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -r1.5 jsWindows.cxx
--- jsWindows.cxx21 Sep 2004 11:45:55 -1.5
+++ jsWindows.cxx7 Oct 2004 21:47:48 -
@@ -126,7 +126,7 @@
// X,Y,Z,R,U,V,POV - not necessarily the first n of these.
if ( os-jsCaps.wCaps JOYCAPS_HASPOV )
{
- num_axes = _JS_MAX_AXES ;
+ num_axes = _JS_MAX_AXES_WIN ;
min [ 7 ] = -1.0 ; max [ 7 ] = 1.0 ; // POV Y
min [ 6 ] = -1.0 ; max [ 6 ] = 1.0 ; // POV X
}
-Fred
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
On Tuesday 12 October 2004 20:36, Simon Hollier wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2004 15:27, Frederic Bouvier wrote: Simon Hollier a écrit : I'm running 9200/Linux/DRI drivers... the crease patch was great (thanks!). The DList patch gives me a frame rate of around 0.2 fps when I look at any objects or change the view... it might as well segfault. I don't use the ATI drivers on Linux because they are way too buggy (artifacts,performance,..)... not even worth testing until ATI releases new drivers again. Wishing I had chosen Nvidia so I could enjoy DLists :, Forgot the Dlist patch that was posted on the list by Erik and get the all new 0.9.6 or CVS -Fred This was CVS ( plib,simgear,flightgear) as of yesterday with the simgear DList patch... Simon Hmm... Now I'm getting: config.status: error: cannot find input file: simgear/scene/fgsg/Makefile.in Making all in src-libs make[1]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/src-libs' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/src-libs' Making all in simgear make[1]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' cd .. /bin/sh ./config.status simgear/simgear_config.h config.status: creating simgear/simgear_config.h make all-recursive make[2]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' Making all in xml make[3]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear/xml' make[3]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop. make[3]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear/xml' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 ...sure enough, there's nothing in ~CVSROOT/simgear/scene/fgsg - the directory's empty. :( LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:27:54 +0200 Frederic Bouvier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgot the Dlist patch that was posted on the list by Erik and get the all new 0.9.6 or CVS Now I'm a bit confused (again!). I thought that Erik's patch, like Matthias', was a patch to plib. I saw a bunch of CVS commits for SimGear and FlightGear relating to his patch; but they looked like they were merely efforts to determine whether one was using a plib that had the patch in it or not. And over on plib-devel, I saw Erik discussing a patch with Steve Baker that I thought was the final version of the DList patch, http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=9755451 after Horst Wobig fixed what he thought (and Erik seemed to agree) was the problem. http://baron.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2004-October/031161.html So I would naively think that in addition to fetching the latest SimGear CVS, one still needs to patch it into plib. Where am I mixed up here? -c -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpJYYSvJyYDN.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
1) crease is a patch to PLIB 2) dlist has been solved within simgear: *NO PATCH REQUIRED* Erik could fix this *without* touching plib by moving the call to another thread. It now lives in simgear's model.cxx Make sure that simgear/scene/tgdb/leaf.cxx *does not* contain a call to makeDList(). Horst Chris Metzler wrote: On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:27:54 +0200 Frederic Bouvier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgot the Dlist patch that was posted on the list by Erik and get the all new 0.9.6 or CVS Now I'm a bit confused (again!). I thought that Erik's patch, like Matthias', was a patch to plib. I saw a bunch of CVS commits for SimGear and FlightGear relating to his patch; but they looked like they were merely efforts to determine whether one was using a plib that had the patch in it or not. And over on plib-devel, I saw Erik discussing a patch with Steve Baker that I thought was the final version of the DList patch, http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=9755451 after Horst Wobig fixed what he thought (and Erik seemed to agree) was the problem. http://baron.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2004-October/031161.html So I would naively think that in addition to fetching the latest SimGear CVS, one still needs to patch it into plib. Where am I mixed up here? -c -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Vamos
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:00:08 + (UTC), Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This racing simulation appears to be somehow related to FlightGear - at least it makes use of Simgear: http://vamos.sourceforge.net/requirements.html As far as I can see, the only part of SimGear it uses is the XML read/write support. All the best, David -- http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
Lee Elliott wrote: Hmm... Now I'm getting: config.status: error: cannot find input file: simgear/scene/fgsg/Makefile.in Making all in src-libs make[1]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/src-libs' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/src-libs' Making all in simgear make[1]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' cd .. /bin/sh ./config.status simgear/simgear_config.h config.status: creating simgear/simgear_config.h make all-recursive make[2]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' Making all in xml make[3]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear/xml' make[3]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop. make[3]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear/xml' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 ...sure enough, there's nothing in ~CVSROOT/simgear/scene/fgsg - the directory's empty. :( LeeE Seems to be a problem in CVS (see a mail a few hours ago concening simgear). I had to edit 2 files in the actual CVS: 1) configure.ac (remove the line with fgsg) 2) simgear/scene/Makefile.am (remove fgsg) Horst ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
Lee Elliott wrote: Hmm... Now I'm getting: config.status: error: cannot find input file: simgear/scene/fgsg/Makefile.in Making all in src-libs make[1]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/src-libs' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/src-libs' Making all in simgear make[1]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' cd .. /bin/sh ./config.status simgear/simgear_config.h config.status: creating simgear/simgear_config.h make all-recursive make[2]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' Making all in xml make[3]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear/xml' make[3]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop. make[3]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear/xml' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 ...sure enough, there's nothing in ~CVSROOT/simgear/scene/fgsg - the directory's empty. :( LeeE Hi, you need to remove references to fgsg from configure.ac and simgear/scene/Makefile.am then it should build ok. Geoff ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
On Tuesday 12 October 2004 21:28, Geoff Reidy wrote: Lee Elliott wrote: Hmm... Now I'm getting: config.status: error: cannot find input file: simgear/scene/fgsg/Makefile.in Making all in src-libs make[1]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/src-libs' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/src-libs' Making all in simgear make[1]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' cd .. /bin/sh ./config.status simgear/simgear_config.h config.status: creating simgear/simgear_config.h make all-recursive make[2]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' Making all in xml make[3]: Entering directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear/xml' make[3]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop. make[3]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear/xml' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/common/cvs/CVSROOT/SimGear/simgear' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 ...sure enough, there's nothing in ~CVSROOT/simgear/scene/fgsg - the directory's empty. :( LeeE Hi, you need to remove references to fgsg from configure.ac and simgear/scene/Makefile.am then it should build ok. Geoff Thanks, and Horst too, I managed to figure it out myself and have just tested it :) On the basis of a very quicjk test, the two patches have given me an approx 80% speed-up and it appears to have cured the airport scenery tearing artifacts I was seeing too:) Still can't fly at night though - that still causes a crash:( LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] crease for ac3d files and speedup
Simon Hollier wrote: I'm running 9200/Linux/DRI drivers... the crease patch was great (thanks!). The DList patch gives me a frame rate of around 0.2 fps when I look at any objects or change the view... it might as well segfault. [...] [...] Wishing I had chosen Nvidia so I could enjoy DLists :, No, I think you took the wrong source. I'm using a Radeon9200 with almost current Xorg CVS (last weekend) and a stock 2.6.8.1 Linux kernel and experienced an acceleration from 3-4 fps to 7-8 by the crease PLIB patch and an additional improvement up to 10 fps by Fred's (?) reorganizedf DList patch to SimGear on the default location. Things are pretty fine here _without_ closed source drivers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,
Frederic Bouvier wrote:
Sent: 12 October 2004 20:36
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:releases
FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,
Vivian Meazza wrote :
Hmmm ... last time I tried Plib cvs (last week) there seemed to be some
problem with joystick axes under Cygwin. I reverted to 1.8.3, no problem.
Lack of time has precluded further investigation.
I already posted on that subject on the plib list but without any
response.
The patch below will cure the joystick problem on Windows :
Index: jsWindows.cxx
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/plib/plib/src/js/jsWindows.cxx,v
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -r1.5 jsWindows.cxx
--- jsWindows.cxx21 Sep 2004 11:45:55 -1.5
+++ jsWindows.cxx7 Oct 2004 21:47:48 -
@@ -126,7 +126,7 @@
// X,Y,Z,R,U,V,POV - not necessarily the first n of these.
if ( os-jsCaps.wCaps JOYCAPS_HASPOV )
{
- num_axes = _JS_MAX_AXES ;
+ num_axes = _JS_MAX_AXES_WIN ;
min [ 7 ] = -1.0 ; max [ 7 ] = 1.0 ; // POV Y
min [ 6 ] = -1.0 ; max [ 6 ] = 1.0 ; // POV X
}
Oh well! Thanks for that, I'll keep it until I have time to work on Cygwin
again.
V.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases
Mathias Fr??hlich wrote: I am currently reviewing our models and will provide a patch later this evening. I'd be glad to 'maintain' a temporary PLIB package for FlightGear if people welcome this effort but I don't want to cross anyone's plans, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re:
Frederic Bouvier wrote: The patch below will cure the joystick problem on Windows : Included in plib-20041012-FG.tar.gz at the same location :-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 0.9.6
The Slackware 10.0 package is now available. It should also work on Slackware 9.1 systems. You can find it at http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/ -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Joystick recomodation
* Christian Mayer -- Tuesday 12 October 2004 20:46: Which should I buy? It must be an USB one (are there any others left?) and will nearly exclusively be used for flying simulators (FlightGear and MSFS). It should wor out of the box with FGFS. Linux compatability isn't important (although nice to have) Oh, the price tag shouldn't be much higher than 50 Euro / $. Saitek Cyborg Gold 3D USB m. :-) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: crease for ac3d files and speedup
Martin Spott writes: Simon Hollier wrote: I'm running 9200/Linux/DRI drivers... the crease patch was great (thanks!). The DList patch gives me a frame rate of around 0.2 fps when I look at any objects or change the view... it might as well segfault. [...] [...] Wishing I had chosen Nvidia so I could enjoy DLists :, No, I think you took the wrong source. I'm using a Radeon9200 with almost current Xorg CVS (last weekend) and a stock 2.6.8.1 Linux kernel and experienced an acceleration from 3-4 fps to 7-8 by the crease PLIB patch and an additional improvement up to 10 fps by Fred's (?) reorganizedf DList patch to SimGear on the default location. Things are pretty fine here _without_ closed source drivers, Well, I wish that were the case. Simgear/Flightgear/Plib fresh cvs as of 20 minutes ago (just to be sure). I'm running XFree86 4.4RC2,2.6.5-7 as per Suse 9.1 which might be the difference. But as everything just works right now...I'm pretty happy commenting out line 1174 in src/Scenery/tileentry.cxx: //makeDList( terra_transform ); to keep my 20+ fps. Running gprof(5 seconds of flightgear after loadup) shows 100+ milllion calls to std::Deque_iterator of FGTileEntry, and std::deque of FGTileEntry and FGDefferedModel. My system swaps like mad even with 512M. There's loads of calls to other functions that just don't look right compared to gprof without the makeDList call. I still wish I had bought Nvidia ; Simon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crease for ac3d files and speedup
Simon Hollier wrote: Running gprof(5 seconds of flightgear after loadup) shows 100+ milllion calls to std::Deque_iterator of FGTileEntry, and std::deque of FGTileEntry and FGDefferedModel. My system swaps like mad even with 512M. This could be a sensible reason for your crippled frame-rate with FlightGear. FlightGear is still a memory hog but it runs fine with 512 MByte of RAM (I definitely know this because I'm running it with 512 MByte as well). I still wish I had bought Nvidia ; This sort of 'advertisement' is misleading because it bases on incorrect assumptions. Better get your system right before posting such nonsense. I admit that the Radeon 'r200' DRI driver in XFree86 had some drawbacks in the past, XFre86-4.3 release even shipped with a driver with significant (and obvious) bugs that made it completely unsusuable with FlightGear. Later in a bug-fixed version that was shipped by SuSE there still was some texture flickering in certain cases but these issues have already been ironed out in Xorg. Now there are lots of interesting improvements on the 'r200' DRI driver in DRI/Xorg these days, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
