Re: [Flightgear-devel] apt.dat format

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Sgier
Yea cool stuff Frederic! Although somehow stammering FPS? I could test with my GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB, Intel core duo 8500 and compare to x-plane. For SIRX (http://sirx.flightsimulatorcenter.com/aeroporti.aspx) and apt.dat 8.5 in general this looks like a good improvement to me?   --- On Wed,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Translating getstart.pdf to German

2010-03-25 Thread Adrian
Hey Joe! Where d'you want me to go with that pen in my hand? :-) Just tell me which pages you are translating, I'll then translate some others. Sorry, I will not be able to generate such a big output like ten pages a day or something, but many a little makes a mickle. Ciao, Adrian Am Mittwoch,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Alan Teeder
-- From: James Turner zakal...@mac.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs On 24 Mar

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Alan Teeder
In my last post, I forgot to say that the Fgfs crash and debug message come when the engine reaches aprox 50% rpm. Alan -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Alan Teeder wrote -Original Message- From: [mailto:ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk] Sent: 25 March 2010 09:29 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs -- From: James

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Frederic Bouvier
- Vivian Meazza a écrit : I have seen something like this if I add the generate tag to a model shader. generate works fine in a terrain shader. However as default you should not be using any model shader with generate. What ? -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://my.fotolia.com/frfoto/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Frederic Bouvier - Vivian Meazza a écrit : I have seen something like this if I add the generate tag to a model shader. generate works fine in a terrain shader. However as default you should not be using any model shader with generate. What ? What What? I haven't mentioned this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Alan Teeder
-- From: Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.net Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:18 AM To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Frederic Bouvier
- Vivian Meazza a écrit : Frederic Bouvier - Vivian Meazza a écrit : I have seen something like this if I add the generate tag to a model shader. generate works fine in a terrain shader. However as default you should not be using any model shader with generate. What ?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Frederic Bouvier - Vivian Meazza a écrit : Frederic Bouvier - Vivian Meazza a écrit : I have seen something like this if I add the generate tag to a model shader. generate works fine in a terrain shader. However as default you should not be using any model shader

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Alan Teeder
I have rolled CVS back to 1 Feb, except for SGClipGroup.cxx and .hxx. These are the current ones to match with the SVN Osg. I have not rolled back Flightgear data as this takes for ever. Unfortunately Flightgear still crashes when I open up the Lightning´s engines. Perhaps the fault is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wiki link

2010-03-25 Thread Curtis Olson
Thanks, I had fixed one or two links but somehow missed the link in the menu. This will get fixed in the next round of web updates. Curt. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bob Faulkner wrote: Just a heads up to who controls it. (Curt?) The link to the wiki from the main website appears to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Tim Moore
Alan, What graphics hardware are you running on? Turning off shaders should get you going for the moment. Then we'll figure out how to conditionalize the shader code for drivers that don't support gl_FrontFacing. Tim On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site

2010-03-25 Thread Geoff McLane
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 20:55 +0100, HB-GRAL wrote: Geoff McLane schrieb: But his good work _IS_ being used, extensively - 1 left TOC 2 CSS design 3 XHTML 1.0 I have added a little more today... http://geoffair.net/fg/site including a bottom TOC - presently not quite the same

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Translating getstart.pdf to German

2010-03-25 Thread Maik Justus
Hi, just a remark, probably already know: Some parts of the getstart.pdf are in the wiki, which is partly translated to German. Best regards, Maik Adrian schrieb am 25.03.2010 08:44: Hey Joe! Where d'you want me to go with that pen in my hand? :-) Just tell me which pages you are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD

2010-03-25 Thread Maik Justus
Hello Christian, the helicopter flight model is very realistic, for my point of view it is the the most realistic flight model which is available for normal PC users. The setup of the configuration is a bit tricky, esp. for the auto-rotation, therefore it does not work realistic for most

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Linker problems

2010-03-25 Thread Roland Haeder
Not yet solved: libMain.a(main.o): In function `osg::Referenced::unref() const': /usr/local/include/osg/Referenced:194: undefined reference to `osg::Referenced::signalObserversAndDelete(bool, bool, bool) const' And many more of them. OSG is checked out

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Linker problems

2010-03-25 Thread Tim Moore
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Roland Haeder r.hae...@gmx.de wrote: Not yet solved: libMain.a(main.o): In function `osg::Referenced::unref() const': /usr/local/include/osg/Referenced:194: undefined reference to `osg::Referenced::signalObserversAndDelete(bool, bool,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Alan Teeder
Tim I am seeing this on 2 machines. The desktop runs XP and has an NVIDEA FX 5200 card. The laptop runs Vista and is an Acer 5920 has Intel 965 video, with latest the drivers from Intel. (The Acer supplied driver had problems giving a few screen fulls of OpenGL errors on FG startup). Alan

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Alan Teeder
Tim I should have been a bit clearer in my last post I was talking about FG crashing when I open up the Lightning Engines. I have tried turning off shades from the FG menu bar, but this does not come up until after the glFrontFacing errors so I have seen no change. This error seems to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Linker problems

2010-03-25 Thread Roland Haeder
Hi Tim, It looks like your OSG libraries are out of sync with your header files. You might need to run ldconfig. Tim here is the full output of ldconfig -v: http://www.pastebin.org/123487 But it still outputs the same messages. :( Roland signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Linker problems

2010-03-25 Thread Tim Moore
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Roland Haeder r.hae...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Tim, It looks like your OSG libraries are out of sync with your header files. You might need to run ldconfig. Tim here is the full output of ldconfig -v: http://www.pastebin.org/123487 But it still outputs the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Alan Teeder Tim I should have been a bit clearer in my last post I was talking about FG crashing when I open up the Lightning Engines. I have tried turning off shades from the FG menu bar, but this does not come up until after the glFrontFacing errors so I have seen no change. This

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Translating getstart.pdf to German

2010-03-25 Thread Martin Spott
Maik Justus wrote: just a remark, probably already know: Some parts of the getstart.pdf are in the wiki, [...] Oh, are people really duplicating The Manual on the Wiki ? Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Victhor
Yup, tested and I only get a crash if I use the afterburners, engines can be started just fine. Alan Teeder Tim I should have been a bit clearer in my last post I was talking about FG crashing when I open up the Lightning Engines. I have tried turning off shades from the FG menu

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Linker problems

2010-03-25 Thread Roland Haeder
Hi, ahh, I needed to remove all that old libs from /usr/local/lib/ and reinstalled it. After that I saw that the libs went to /usr/local/lib64/... :( I added it to ldconfig's config file, re-ran ldconfig and it finally worked. :) Thanks. Roland signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Vivian Meazza - Vivian Meazza a écrit : Frederic Bouvier - Vivian Meazza a écrit : Frederic Bouvier - Vivian Meazza a écrit : I have seen something like this if I add the generate tag to a model shader. generate works fine in a terrain shader. However

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Alan Teeder
Thanks for all the responses. I have done a lot more playing around this evening. It seems to be to do with generator/battery/external power switching. I can remove the problem by artificially setting a constant voltage on the master bus and inhibiting bus switching. Finding out whether this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site + MpServer Status

2010-03-25 Thread Pete Morgan
Geoff McLane wrote: He added some new things, which is great, like the mp server status, but assume this depends on the python to get information, so this may not be portable, but would certainly like to incorporate this in my example also, if possible... How to do it is the question? A

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Translating getstart.pdf to German

2010-03-25 Thread Maik Justus
Hi Martin, Martin Spott schrieb am 25.03.2010 22:34: Maik Justus wrote: just a remark, probably already know: Some parts of the getstart.pdf are in the wiki, [...] Oh, are people really duplicating The Manual on the Wiki ? I don't know. But at least my two cents to The Manual

Re: [Flightgear-devel] English Electric Lightning no longer runs

2010-03-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Alan Teeder Thanks for all the responses. I have done a lot more playing around this evening. It seems to be to do with generator/battery/external power switching. I can remove the problem by artificially setting a constant voltage on the master bus and inhibiting bus switching.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site

2010-03-25 Thread Martin Spott
Geoff McLane wrote: So again, we should consider who OWNS the site, and fully RESPECT what he might want, [...] I firmly object: The way how the web site is being managed is very contradictory to the nature of the entire project. I'm not advertizing anarchy here. As with every part of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site

2010-03-25 Thread Roland Haeder
Hi, I like to add that the Search button is linking to a page which uses the personalized Google search which is, of course, closed-source. If you like, you can replace that with YaCy [1] which allows you to setup an independent search engine which will only crawl your pages. You can also choose

[Flightgear-devel] Sponsorship letter idea

2010-03-25 Thread Pete Morgan
Dear Richard Branston, I'm sending this letter as an individual and am representing FlightGear, which is an Open Source Flight Simulator released under the General Public Licence GPL ie free and open source. I am speaking on behalf of the FlightGear team, comprising a bunch of people of all

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site

2010-03-25 Thread Pete Morgan
Martin Spott wrote: Geoff McLane wrote: So again, we should consider who OWNS the site, and fully RESPECT what he might want, [...] I firmly object: The way how the web site is being managed is very contradictory to the nature of the entire project. I'm not advertizing anarchy

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site

2010-03-25 Thread Roland Haeder
Hello all, the problem on those CMS systems (python-written and PHP-written likewise) is that they sometimes have security holes where a cracker can more or less easily own www.flightgear.org and put his Owned by some-fool-cracker message in there. I think, this is why someone suggested that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site

2010-03-25 Thread Roland Haeder
Na, I didn't solve [1]. Sorry for double email. :( [1]: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.flightgear.orgcharset=%28detect+automatically% 29doctype=Inlinegroup=0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site

2010-03-25 Thread Pete Morgan
Roland Haeder wrote: Hello all, the problem on those CMS systems (python-written and PHP-written likewise) is that they sometimes have security holes where a cracker can more or less easily own www.flightgear.org and put his Owned by some-fool-cracker message in there. Please clarify:

[Flightgear-devel] Google App Engine

2010-03-25 Thread Pete Morgan
Advantages * relies on Google infrastructure * does not require one to setup and maintain their own servers * can be coded in python or java * each application scales to three million page views a month or around 1.2 requests a second before it costs * can switch app versions at the click of a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site

2010-03-25 Thread Roland Haeder
Hello Pete, Please clarify: Okay, I give it a try. :-) What you are suggesting is that * php and python are a cms I know they are never and should also never used as CMS (Content-Management-System). Maybe it was a bit unclean here, I mean real CMS' like Drupal,WordPress (can be used as CMS,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site

2010-03-25 Thread Roland Haeder
[...] hopefully all got stopped by my (already released and) patched security software Cracker Tracker Standalone. Oh, shame on me. That software is from www.cback.de, I have enhanced it with logging into a MySQL database for analysis purposes. Just to make this clear. :) signature.asc

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site

2010-03-25 Thread Pete Morgan
Roland Haeder wrote: They (Drupal/WordPress are good examples) really have a lot holes, just checkout www.securityfocus.com and they brothers (not the whistle-blower websites). Were agreeing that some applications are badly coded. Thats why I prefer to steer clear of apps; unless their

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google App Engine

2010-03-25 Thread Alex Perry
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Pete Morgan ac...@daffodil.uk.com wrote: Advantages * relies on Google infrastructure * does not require one to setup and maintain their own servers * can be coded in python or java * each application scales to three million page views a month or around 1.2