Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-12 Thread Tim Moore
I've started the first phase of trimming down fgdata. I've removed the an2 from fgdata and put it in its own repository called ac-an2 under the Flightgear project. I'm going to proceed with moving other aircraft which haven't been touched in a while into their own repos as well. When we get down

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-12 Thread TDO_Brandano -
: timoor...@gmail.com To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository I've started the first phase of trimming down fgdata. I've removed the an2 from fgdata and put it in its own repository called ac-an2 under the Flightgear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-12 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011, Tim Moore wrote: At the moment, James Turner or I would create a repo in the Flightgear project that clones yours. I think we would give you commit rights in that new repo. To make this easier, I should add a couple of people from the modeling side of the house as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-04 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Sound good? Any nominations? I favor the an2, which I like, has lots of textures and sounds, and which hasn't seen any recent activity. Sounds good! Another one might be Vostok-1. It eats up 166MB and has only three commits. Torsten

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-04 Thread TDO_Brandano -
I wouldn't touch the Vostock right now, it might be taken as an afront by the author Alessandro Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:50:04 +0200 From: tors...@t3r.de To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository Sound good

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-04 Thread Vivian Meazza
Tim Moore wrote On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Francesco Angelo Brisa fbr...@gmail.com wrote: Any news about a possible separation of aircrafts data from the fgdata folder ? I am afraid this topic is sligtly falling into the forget about it folder :-( Cheers Francesco

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-04 Thread Torsten Dreyer
I wouldn't touch the Vostock right now, it might be taken as an afront by the author (*Shrugs*) Looking at disk size, this list might help making decision. (from du -ms *|sort -n) 47 an2 47 F-8E-Crusader 48 A340-600 50 f16 51 Short-Stirling 58 D510 65

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-04 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Funny (!) that the last one in the first list will be unmaintain from now if I read this ml correctly. Regards, -Fred - Mail original - I wouldn't touch the Vostock right now, it might be taken as an afront by the author (*Shrugs*) Looking at disk size, this list might help

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-04 Thread Emilian Huminiuc
On Thursday 04 August 2011 11:36:48 Torsten Dreyer wrote: I wouldn't touch the Vostock right now, it might be taken as an afront by the author (*Shrugs*) Looking at disk size, this list might help making decision. (from du -ms *|sort -n) 47 an2 47 F-8E-Crusader 48

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-04 Thread Martin Spott
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Funny (!) that the last one in the first list will be unmaintain from now if I read this ml correctly. Let's sit down and have a beer/wine/tea/vos...dka ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-03 Thread Tim Moore
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Francesco Angelo Brisa fbr...@gmail.com wrote: Any news about a possible separation of aircrafts data from the fgdata folder ? I am afraid this topic is sligtly falling into the forget about it folder :-( Cheers Francesco Some of the inertia -- on my part

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-03 Thread Martin Spott
Tim Moore wrote: One thing (perhaps the only thing) that was nice about keeping aircraft in fgdata is that enforced synchronization between the aircraft and other common nasal and instrument files. However, if they are split out, maybe we will be forced to be more mature about backward

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-08-02 Thread Francesco Angelo Brisa
Any news about a possible separation of aircrafts data from the fgdata folder ? I am afraid this topic is sligtly falling into the forget about it folder :-( Cheers Francesco -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-26 Thread James Turner
On 25 Jun 2011, at 22:59, Alex Perry wrote: . Does anybody know offhand how much trouble it would be for our source code to have all loaders of aircraft files go through a library that understands what a relative URL is? If we can cut that over, anybody can develop and host an airplane

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-26 Thread Vivian Meazza
Alex On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.net wrote: Personally, I don't see a value in offering HTTP per-file instead of SVN per-directory, but others may do.  Hence the discussion above. The main problem right now is that Git cannot cope with the size

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-26 Thread James Turner
On 26 Jun 2011, at 07:17, James Turner wrote: Code wise, I have about 30% of this prototyped - but not at a point where it can be tested. Since it appears to be a hot topic, I am thinking i should revisit it for 2.5 :) I've tried to capture my current design/plans here:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:58:05 +0100, James wrote in message 91dd9863-f84a-4e33-a278-3d5f84ba7...@mac.com: On 26 Jun 2011, at 07:17, James Turner wrote: Code wise, I have about 30% of this prototyped - but not at a point where it can be tested. Since it appears to be a hot topic, I am

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-26 Thread Vivian Meazza
James wrote On 26 Jun 2011, at 07:17, James Turner wrote: Code wise, I have about 30% of this prototyped - but not at a point where it can be tested. Since it appears to be a hot topic, I am thinking i should revisit it for 2.5 :) I've tried to capture my current design/plans here:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-26 Thread Martin Spott
As a general rule I'd propose to make a clear distinction between a) datasets, b) hosting sites and c) protocols or revision control systems (at least). Some people are implying SVN when talking about hosting large datasets, others are implying Gitorious when talking about GIT. Continuing this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-26 Thread Gene Buckle
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011, Martin Spott wrote: As a general rule I'd propose to make a clear distinction between a) datasets, b) hosting sites and c) protocols or revision control systems (at least). Some people are implying SVN when talking about hosting large datasets, others are implying

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-25 Thread David Slocombe
Hi, Currently I do not even have a working fg on my machine, but I continue to peek at the flightgear-devel list occasionally. Today I saw this discussion of moving the aircraft directories to individual SVN repos instead of git. My experience with both svn and git is both minimal and old, and I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-25 Thread Ron Jensen
On Saturday 25 June 2011 12:28:14 David Slocombe wrote: Hi, Currently I do not even have a working fg on my machine, but I continue to peek at the flightgear-devel list occasionally. Today I saw this discussion of moving the aircraft directories to individual SVN repos instead of git. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-25 Thread Alex Perry
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Scott scott.hamil...@popplanet.biz wrote: Using SVN so you can download stuff on the fly is ridiculous, The most popular and platform agnostic way to do downloading from multiple locations, with caching and automatic updates, is HTTP these days. Does anybody

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-25 Thread Alex Perry
Putting map data on SVN made incremental updates feasible. Both for maintainer uploads, and user caches. A similar argument applies to the aircraft, with the complications that (a) there are more maintainers with less coordination, and (b) the dependency graph between directories is not trivial.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Alex wrote Putting map data on SVN made incremental updates feasible. Both for maintainer uploads, and user caches. A similar argument applies to the aircraft, with the complications that (a) there are more maintainers with less coordination, and (b) the dependency graph between

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-25 Thread Alex Perry
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.net wrote: Personally, I don't see a value in offering HTTP per-file instead of SVN per-directory, but others may do.  Hence the discussion above. The main problem right now is that Git cannot cope with the size of the data,

[Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-24 Thread TDO_Brandano -
Ok, before I get flamed to a crisp, let me explain what is my reasoning behind this. Right now the fgdata repository is about 9 GB. This makes it really, really difficult to obtain an initial checkout of the fgdata folder, expecially for people that do not have a very good connection. at the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-24 Thread Erik Hofman
On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:48 +, TDO_Brandano - wrote: Ok, before I get flamed to a crisp, let me explain what is my reasoning behind this. Right now the fgdata repository is about 9 GB. This makes it really, really difficult to obtain an initial checkout of the fgdata folder, expecially for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-24 Thread Vivian Meazza
Erik wrote On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:48 +, TDO_Brandano - wrote: Ok, before I get flamed to a crisp, let me explain what is my reasoning behind this. Right now the fgdata repository is about 9 GB. This makes it really, really difficult to obtain an initial checkout of the fgdata

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-24 Thread Francesco Angelo Brisa
2011/6/24 TDO_Brandano - tdo_brand...@hotmail.com Ok, before I get flamed to a crisp, let me explain what is my reasoning behind this. Right now the fgdata repository is about 9 GB. [...] I agree with Brandano, airplanes data is way too big for git, and the problem will only get worst with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-24 Thread Csaba Halász
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.net wrote: Seriously, Git has never been right for the data. We were promised a fix, which has never materialized. SVN can be no worse, and it might be better. Terrasync indicates that it might well be better, and might give

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-24 Thread Scott
On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 15:20 +0200, Csaba Halász wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.net wrote: Seriously, Git has never been right for the data. We were promised a fix, which has never materialized. SVN can be no worse, and it might be better.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-24 Thread Vivian Meazza
Csaba wrote On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.net wrote: Seriously, Git has never been right for the data. We were promised a fix, which has never materialized. SVN can be no worse, and it might be better. Terrasync indicates that it might well be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-24 Thread Hal V. Engel
On Friday, June 24, 2011 05:19:58 AM Francesco Angelo Brisa wrote: 2011/6/24 TDO_Brandano - tdo_brand...@hotmail.com Ok, before I get flamed to a crisp, let me explain what is my reasoning behind this. Right now the fgdata repository is about 9 GB. [...] I agree with Brandano,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-24 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 24.06.11 12:55, schrieb Erik Hofman: On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:48 +, TDO_Brandano - wrote: Ok, before I get flamed to a crisp, let me explain what is my reasoning behind this. Right now the fgdata repository is about 9 GB. It has been proposed before and I believe it's the way to go.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-24 Thread TDO_Brandano -
: flightg...@sablonier.ch To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository Am 24.06.11 12:55, schrieb Erik Hofman: On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:48 +, TDO_Brandano - wrote: Ok, before I get flamed to a crisp, let me explain what

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository

2011-06-24 Thread Vivian Meazza
: flightg...@sablonier.ch To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository Am 24.06.11 12:55, schrieb Erik Hofman: On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:48 +, TDO_Brandano - wrote: Ok, before I get flamed to a crisp, let me explain