Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
3D model is now finished (well mostly since I intend to add the refuelling probe and boarding ladder) Now to the textures and animation (alas the latter is going to be tough particularly for the gear !) have a look at avsim forum for latest renders and ingame shots --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
flying.toaster wrote: have a look at avsim forum for latest renders and ingame shots Hey, your F-14 looks really 'harmless' with the wings swept forward :-) I'm happily looking forward to see this famous aircraft being part of FlightGear. Cheers, Martin. P.S.: For all those users that don't visit the AVSIM forum regularly it's a bit difficult to identify your posting. Here's the direct link for other poor fellows like me: http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_mesgforum=198topic_id=1757mesg_id=1805 -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
Hi Don't know if it'll be of any further use to you but my contribution to an aircraft I *love* http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-14.htm found it while looking for resources on; Bell UH-1 series Iroquois, better known as the Huey Cheers :-D ene From: flying.toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone? Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:29:52 +0200 (CEST) De : Lee Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like an F-14 :) Now *those* are good news :o) I've got to say that imo this is quite an ambitious project but it looks pretty good so far. From the 3D model perspective it is not more daunting than the Hornet (try to find a single straight line on the bug). One reason why I am modelling the B (or A+ as you like it) is that from the pilot crew station it is not that different from an A. The advantage is that you do have a lot of electromechanical instruments instead of MFDs which are often poorly documented and awfuly complex. The bad news is that the F-14A was (to my knowledge) the first aircraft in US inventory to feature a PFD and ND-like set of displays even though with a limited number of modes. Since there is no weapon system model to be introduced on flight gear there is no need to implement the RIO station (even though that could turn into a high speed trip over the network for the would-be RIO. Things maybe different if the model is ported to CSP but let's not chew more than we can swallow. What are you planning to do with the jet-pipe nozzles? It looks as though you have shown different nozzle area settings in the two pics. Good sight indeed. Actually I have already made the animation for the petals or turkey feathers (inner and outer) for the nozzle. I will definitely need the help from somebody who has ported from blender to FG in order to know how to define and export animations because there are quite a few of them in this beast. In many respects the F-14 design is very similar to that of the SU-27 family of aircraft. True enough, for instance landing gear design (downlocks are located on the engine nacelle), poded engines, twin tails, blah, blah. But then the Su-27 is much more refined in its aerodynamic layout (and quite tempting to model with its completely outdated flight avionics suite), even though reports seem to indicate that the tomcat *had* (sigh) quite amazing high alpha behaviour. To answer Mathias Fröhlich kind offer, I have a few docs myself (mainly Aerofax volume on the Tomcat), and I am using Airliners.net quite intensely. Photos are as important as good drawings when you want to go into detail. If I get stuck somewhere, I will surely get back to you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 06:29, flying.toaster wrote: [snip...] In many respects the F-14 design is very similar to that of the SU-27 family of aircraft. True enough, for instance landing gear design (downlocks are located on the engine nacelle), poded engines, twin tails, blah, blah. But then the Su-27 is much more refined in its aerodynamic layout (and quite tempting to model with its completely outdated flight avionics suite), even though reports seem to indicate that the tomcat *had* (sigh) quite amazing high alpha behaviour. I'm not too surprised about it's high AoA behaviour. The way in which I find it similar to the SU-27 family is that they both use a long chord central lifting body, in to the front of which is inserted a relatively small fuselage nacelle. There's no conventional full-length fuselage, just lots of wing :) The YF-23 is also quite similar in this respect too, but doesn't have the 'tunnel' formed by the widely separated engines. To answer Mathias Fröhlich kind offer, I have a few docs myself (mainly Aerofax volume on the Tomcat), and I am using Airliners.net quite intensely. Photos are as important as good drawings when you want to go into detail. If I get stuck somewhere, I will surely get back to you. I have a large format book on the F-14 detailing the development, design, weapons systems, deployment and service but it's quite old now and doesn't really cover the later models. There's a cut-away drawing but I don't remember off hand how detailed it was. Quite a few side-view colour-scheme drawings and photos. Got a DVD on the F-14 too but it isn't that helpful. Some nice footage though. LeeE --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
3D model started. You can check out the 1000 polygons on AVSIM forum Cheer up it's only a few months away ;o) --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
On Saturday 06 May 2006 22:02, flying.toaster wrote: 3D model started. You can check out the 1000 polygons on AVSIM forum It looks to be shaping up every bit as nicely as I expected having seen some of your other models... Cheer up it's only a few months away ;o) Not to mention a year or two of hard work on the cockpit and systems :-) I'm certainly looking forward to it though. Cheers, AJ --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
On Saturday 06 May 2006 22:02, flying.toaster wrote: 3D model started. You can check out the 1000 polygons on AVSIM forum Cheer up it's only a few months away ;o) Looks like an F-14 :) I've got to say that imo this is quite an ambitious project but it looks pretty good so far. What are you planning to do with the jet-pipe nozzles? It looks as though you have shown different nozzle area settings in the two pics. In many respects the F-14 design is very similar to that of the SU-27 family of aircraft. LeeE --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
De : Lee Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like an F-14 :) Now *those* are good news :o) I've got to say that imo this is quite an ambitious project but it looks pretty good so far. From the 3D model perspective it is not more daunting than the Hornet (try to find a single straight line on the bug). One reason why I am modelling the B (or A+ as you like it) is that from the pilot crew station it is not that different from an A. The advantage is that you do have a lot of electromechanical instruments instead of MFDs which are often poorly documented and awfuly complex. The bad news is that the F-14A was (to my knowledge) the first aircraft in US inventory to feature a PFD and ND-like set of displays even though with a limited number of modes. Since there is no weapon system model to be introduced on flight gear there is no need to implement the RIO station (even though that could turn into a high speed trip over the network for the would-be RIO. Things maybe different if the model is ported to CSP but let's not chew more than we can swallow. What are you planning to do with the jet-pipe nozzles? It looks as though you have shown different nozzle area settings in the two pics. Good sight indeed. Actually I have already made the animation for the petals or turkey feathers (inner and outer) for the nozzle. I will definitely need the help from somebody who has ported from blender to FG in order to know how to define and export animations because there are quite a few of them in this beast. In many respects the F-14 design is very similar to that of the SU-27 family of aircraft. True enough, for instance landing gear design (downlocks are located on the engine nacelle), poded engines, twin tails, blah, blah. But then the Su-27 is much more refined in its aerodynamic layout (and quite tempting to model with its completely outdated flight avionics suite), even though reports seem to indicate that the tomcat *had* (sigh) quite amazing high alpha behaviour. To answer Mathias Fröhlich kind offer, I have a few docs myself (mainly Aerofax volume on the Tomcat), and I am using Airliners.net quite intensely. Photos are as important as good drawings when you want to go into detail. If I get stuck somewhere, I will surely get back to you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 07:29, flying.toaster wrote: To answer Mathias Fröhlich kind offer, I have a few docs myself (mainly Aerofax volume on the Tomcat), and I am using Airliners.net quite intensely. Photos are as important as good drawings when you want to go into detail. If I get stuck somewhere, I will surely get back to you. Was just a second hint if that first offer slipped through your hands ... Looking forward to that model. BTW: I have also some data about the F-14's longitudinal axis control systems. Greetings Mathias -- Mathias Fröhlich, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
Robicd wrote: There are mirrors inside, for the pilots (look at http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-cp-canopy-01l.jpg); I wonder if there's a way with FGFS to create those mirrors, some kind of picture-in-picture technique :-) Or should that be implemented in the code? Are such mirrors used in Civil Aviation A/C too? It needs code changes, but it has been talked about. In the mean time, make the mirrors slightly concave and then use a chrome animation on them. If you have a good .rgb file for the animation it should look pretty good. I forget what other planes use this type of animation, but I know I used it on the Canberra's landing gear oleos. Josh --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
flying.toaster wrote: Just one question before I get started ... What is the reasonnable polygon count (in triangles or quads) that can be accepted by most platforms without turning into a slideshow ? For strike fighters this is somewhere in the 10,000 range (with a damage model). I have come to realise that an iBook with a power PC G4 at 1GHz (the thing I am using to write this mail) is rather slower (understatement) than my other box (Linux box Radeon 9600Pro and 2 GHz Athlon). I can make something quite pretty with 7000 to 8000 polygons (given that the tomcat has quite complex shapes) With 15,000 polygons it can be really great... Enrique I budget for 10,000 polys, but usually end up with more. The thing to remember is that due to LOD animations and clipping, you can usually only see 5,000 or so at once anyway. Josh --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
There are mirrors inside, for the pilots (look at http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-cp-canopy-01l.jpg); I wonder if there's a way with FGFS to create those mirrors, some kind of picture-in-picture technique :-) Or should that be implemented in the code? Are such mirrors used in Civil Aviation A/C too? It needs code changes, but it has been talked about. In the mean time, make the mirrors slightly concave and then use a chrome animation on them. If you have a good .rgb file for the animation it should look pretty good. I forget what other planes use this type of animation, but I know I used it on the Canberra's landing gear oleos. Josh That will look nice but will not reflect anything :-( Roberto -- Feel free - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
Am Freitag, den 28.04.2006, 20:42 +0200 schrieb flying.toaster: If a 3D exterior model is needed I will contribute (blender) I have an Aerofax on the tomcat with lots of pictures. I'm interested in the B (A+) make since the nozzles are the smooth F110 ones and the avionics still are a little crude (easier to model). I would need somebody to help with the textures and animations though... Enrique I would like to do the texture and/or animation job. If I get the model I'll do the mapping too. The hardest part will be the Flight Model, sweep wings, a pair of retractable trim wings and a supersonic flight envelope. But it would be a great addition to FG. ( I loved playing Microprose's F14 Fleet Defender). Greetings Detlef --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-dimensions.htm in case you need some more info :-) --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-dimensions.htm in case you need some more info :-) Excellent source. Jon --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
There are mirrors inside, for the pilots (look at http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-cp-canopy-01l.jpg); I wonder if there's a way with FGFS to create those mirrors, some kind of picture-in-picture technique :-) Or should that be implemented in the code? Are such mirrors used in Civil Aviation A/C too? Roberto --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
Are such mirrors used in Civil Aviation A/C too? Yep, those that are towing sailplanes sometimes have a mirror. That should be an interesting thing for multiplayer: one pilot flying the towing plane and one is in the sailplane. Torsten --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robicd schrieb: There are mirrors inside, for the pilots (look at http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-cp-canopy-01l.jpg); I wonder if there's a way with FGFS to create those mirrors, some kind of picture-in-picture technique :-) The usual way (the only one?) to create mirrors is to render the scenery (at least) twice. Rendering once with a wide angle to a texture can probably be enough to fake the pictures on the 3 concave mirrors. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEU1QvlhWtxOxWNFcRAg3MAJ4qqedL8wKssn7vR2gX/XGxq5a1rACfcu27 jz/2VvzNVZImB6oCyD7M4R4= =4ttK -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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The usual way (the only one?) to create mirrors is to render the scenery (at least) twice. I wonder if it's easy to implement, I don't know how SimGear/Plib handle that (if it's even possible). That should not be a real drop down in performance since the mirror has a very small area to render. Rendering once with a wide angle to a texture can probably be enough to fake the pictures on the 3 concave mirrors. Are those mirrors concave at all? Roberto --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robicd schrieb: The usual way (the only one?) to create mirrors is to render the scenery (at least) twice. I wonder if it's easy to implement, I don't know how SimGear/Plib handle that (if it's even possible). That should not be a real drop down in performance since the mirror has a very small area to render. The handling of PLIB/SSG should be very easy. Just cull and draw the scenegraph from the virtual eyepoint first and then do the normal cull and draw that we are doing now. The bigger problem is the render to texture part - but IIRC that's already solved. Rendering once with a wide angle to a texture can probably be enough to fake the pictures on the 3 concave mirrors. Are those mirrors concave at all? AFAIK yes. This gives the pilot a much greater area he can look at. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEU10alhWtxOxWNFcRAgKrAJ0fsSaKq67ys/yb5veVOlh+96AeAQCfd+AX y+GbNm2hFIaNy1oEzxNUsCU= =059d -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
Just one question before I get started ... What is the reasonnable polygon count (in triangles or quads) that can be accepted by most platforms without turning into a slideshow ? For strike fighters this is somewhere in the 10,000 range (with a damage model). I have come to realise that an iBook with a power PC G4 at 1GHz (the thing I am using to write this mail) is rather slower (understatement) than my other box (Linux box Radeon 9600Pro and 2 GHz Athlon). I can make something quite pretty with 7000 to 8000 polygons (given that the tomcat has quite complex shapes) With 15,000 polygons it can be really great... Enrique --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 flying.toaster schrieb: Just one question before I get started ... What is the reasonnable polygon count (in triangles or quads) that can be accepted by most platforms without turning into a slideshow ? For strike fighters this is somewhere in the 10,000 range (with a damage model). I have come to realise that an iBook with a power PC G4 at 1GHz (the thing I am using to write this mail) is rather slower (understatement) than my other box (Linux box Radeon 9600Pro and 2 GHz Athlon). I can make something quite pretty with 7000 to 8000 polygons (given that the tomcat has quite complex shapes) With 15,000 polygons it can be really great... I can't give you numbers, but the fewer the better. Especially with a fighter plane that you might see during a dog fight it's crucial that the frame rate stays up. So I sugesst that you use LOD heavily. Having a high poly model for looking at it on the runway is great. But a low poly model that you'll see from a short distance (i.e. the dog fight) is also important. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEU3kclhWtxOxWNFcRAmLIAKCrdHJk2GWS5YEIf40sZhDCzpOECgCePigd gzESlzH0ZrYS4Ak/RwloKmE= =PLXf -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
On Saturday 29 April 2006 16:09, flying.toaster wrote: Just one question before I get started ... What is the reasonnable polygon count (in triangles or quads) that can be accepted by most platforms without turning into a slideshow ? For strike fighters this is somewhere in the 10,000 range (with a damage model). I have come to realise that an iBook with a power PC G4 at 1GHz (the thing I am using to write this mail) is rather slower (understatement) than my other box (Linux box Radeon 9600Pro and 2 GHz Athlon). I can make something quite pretty with 7000 to 8000 polygons (given that the tomcat has quite complex shapes) With 15,000 polygons it can be really great... Enrique The poly count isn't that critical for a single object. Even the 2+ poly Concorde will have little effect on an old Geforce2. It's when you try to place 1 of those high poly count objects in a small area of scenery that you run into problems. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 07:33 +0200, Mathias Fröhlich wrote: On Friday 28 April 2006 04:37, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Is anyone out there working on an F-14 Tomcat (like from the movie, Top-Gun with Tom Cruise.) I talked to a guy today who flies F-14's and would be able to provide a lot of information and feedback to anyone who'd like to start working on one of these. Now that we have working aircraft carriers, a slightly more modern carrier based jet would be a nice addition to the fleet. If anyone is interested, let me know and I can put you in touch. http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/manatee/272/tomcat.gif I have even more detailed 1:72 scale 3-views in a magazine. I can provide these too. greetings Mathias http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/f14.html Know any F-4 pilots? Ron --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
If a 3D exterior model is needed I will contribute (blender) I have an Aerofax on the tomcat with lots of pictures. I'm interested in the B (A+) make since the nozzles are the smooth F110 ones and the avionics still are a little crude (easier to model). I would need somebody to help with the textures and animations though... Enrique Message du 28/04/06 à 09h33 De : Ron Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Copie à : Objet : Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone? On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 07:33 +0200, Mathias Fröhlich wrote: On Friday 28 April 2006 04:37, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Is anyone out there working on an F-14 Tomcat (like from the movie, Top-Gun with Tom Cruise.) I talked to a guy today who flies F-14's and would be able to provide a lot of information and feedback to anyone who'd like to start working on one of these. Now that we have working aircraft carriers, a slightly more modern carrier based jet would be a nice addition to the fleet. If anyone is interested, let me know and I can put you in touch. http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/manatee/272/tomcat.gif I have even more detailed 1:72 scale 3-views in a magazine. I can provide these too. greetings Mathias http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/f14.html Know any F-4 pilots? Ron --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
