Re: [Flightgear-devel] Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread Stefan Seifert
Innis Cunningham wrote: Hi Stefan Stefan Seifert writes Before 0.9.9 is released I think one problem should be resolved: on some planes (like the 737, f16, Concorde, fokker100) the engine sounds are missing. Specifically Sounds/jet.wav is not audible. I discussed this problem some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread Buchanan, Stuart
--- Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: data/Aircraft/c172p \ data/Aircraft/c310 \ data/Aircraft/c310u3a \ I would switch the c310 for the Citation or B1900d I agree - the c310u3A is much nicer. data/Aircraft/wrightFlyer1903 \

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread Vassilii Khachaturov
3). J3 - The J3-Cub is complete (not much to cubs anyway) and easy to fly for someone just starting out. A real life Cub has a ball slip/skid indicator (just like in a turn coordinator), and a wire sticking out of the fuel cap in front, showing the fuel level. Other than that, it's pretty

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread Thorben
On Wednesday 09 November 2005 19:31, Curtis L. Olson wrote: The current list is: data/Aircraft/737 \ data/Aircraft/A-10 \ data/Aircraft/bo105 \ data/Aircraft/c172 \ data/Aircraft/c172p \

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: The rule generally is that if we add one, we have to remove an existing one so the total number of included aircraft remains about the same... The current list is: data/Aircraft/737 \ data/Aircraft/A-10 \

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [PATCH] [BUG] tmp-ly disable buggy mag compass jamming code

2005-11-10 Thread Vassilii Khachaturov
Thanks for applying the patch to the current code. I wonder what the jamming logic should be instead. Maybe check whether the angle between the cockpit Y axis and the resultant force presently acting on the plane is within some limit? I have no problem checking the angle above (based on the 3

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pending v0.9.9 release

2005-11-10 Thread Martin Spott
Vivian Meazza wrote: I only mention this because it indicates that the quality of our testing might not be quite as good as it should be as we move rapidly towards 1.0 RANTWe know exactly this phenomenon for several years now and to my observation very little changed in the meantime. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread George Patterson
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 10:34 +, Thorben wrote: On Wednesday 09 November 2005 19:31, Curtis L. Olson wrote: The current list is: data/Aircraft/737 \ data/Aircraft/A-10 \ data/Aircraft/bo105 \ data/Aircraft/c172 \

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pending v0.9.9 release

2005-11-10 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: RANTWe know exactly this phenomenon for several years now and to my observation very little changed in the meantime. The biggest success was to install a consensus that the pre-release phase should last at least two weeks. To my opinon two _months_ would be appropriate for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pending v0.9.9 release

2005-11-10 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: Martin Spott wrote: RANTWe know exactly this phenomenon for several years now and to my [...] supporters for this idea./RANT Guess why the next release is 0.9.9 and not 1.0 and why 1.0 is released early next year? Yep, but sipmly _delaying_ the next release doesn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread Stefan Seifert
Melchior FRANZ wrote: It's not the UFO that's superfluous, but the discussion about its removal. I wouldn't even list it as an aircraft that's up for discussion. Sheesh. Good point. I would drop it from the aircraft list, but not from distribution. It's no real aircraft and doesn't use

[Flightgear-devel] uneven brakes mystery resolved

2005-11-10 Thread Joacim Persson
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Andy Ross wrote: Something odd is going on -- apparently some other stick's binding for the right brake only is being picked up by your configuration. Have you modified the name properties of any of you joysticks files? Can you verify that your base package is unmodified?

[Flightgear-devel] fgfs --version

2005-11-10 Thread Joacim Persson
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, George Patterson wrote: To find out which copy is being loaded when you type fgfs, open up a terminal and type which fgfs and you should get something like /usr/local/bin/fgfs. I meant version as in version number. Perhaps a command line parameter could be added to

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread Melchior FRANZ
Oh, and before the first points me to --fdm=ufo: I know that, of course. --fdm=ufo and --fdm=magic can be used with any aircraft. This is actually very useful for getting acquainted with how nav/ils instruments work. But this is only settable from the command line, but not from fgrun, where you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread James Turner
On 9 Nov 2005, at 19:31, Curtis L. Olson wrote:I reserve the right to make the final determination (and all non-included aircraft will still always be available for separate download from the web site ...) Given that new aircraft have arrived on the scene since the last release, do we want to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pending v0.9.9 release

2005-11-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott wrote: RANTWe know exactly this phenomenon for several years now and to my observation very little changed in the meantime. The biggest success was to install a consensus that the pre-release phase should last at least two weeks. To my opinon two _months_ would be appropriate for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737 nosewheel animations

2005-11-10 Thread Erik Hofman
Stefan Seifert wrote: Hi, attached are two small patches for giving the 737 nosewheel some animations. Namely it rotates when steering and compresses on breaking. For the latter I attached a one line patch that let's JSBsim expose compression-norm to the property tree just like YaSim. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread Innis Cunningham
Stefan Seifert writes Innis Cunningham wrote: I do a lot of my model testing on a 9.4 copy of FG and the engine sound is working just fine there.I will check out the 737 in 9.8 today and see if I can get to the bottom of it Sorry, should have given some more information (has been a

RE: [Flightgear-devel] 737 nosewheel animations

2005-11-10 Thread Jon Berndt
Hi, attached are two small patches for giving the 737 nosewheel some animations. Namely it rotates when steering and compresses on breaking. For the latter I attached a one line patch that let's JSBsim expose compression-norm to the property tree just like YaSim. I don't know if this is in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 182 and 3D Instruments Update

2005-11-10 Thread Erik Hofman
Buchanan, Stuart wrote: Hi All, I've updated the Cessna 182 as follows. Great, we have a new c182 maintainer. - New Skylane textures to replace the old ones (which said Skyhawk on the side!) - Re-upholstered interior :) - Improved 3D cockpit with new - yokes - engine controls -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Persistant Nasal big-endian bug

2005-11-10 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Ok, I've test compiled the simgear/nasal library using gcc on IRIX and linked it with the MIPSpro build version of FlightGear and it's working like a charm. Now remains the question, is it an exploited gcc bug/feature or is it really a MIPSpro bug? I've

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread Innis Cunningham
Melchior FRANZ writes It is beyond me why nobody seems to understand the purpose of the UFO. It was never meant to be a serious aircraft. It is the scenery exploration tool. It doesn't need to have a cockpit or a realistic FDM. It uses up 76 kB uncompressed, and 10.8 kB compressed! Even

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pending v0.9.9 release

2005-11-10 Thread Buchanan, Stuart
--- Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm clever enough to realize that my idea of quality control is not necessary the best one for FG ;-)) I simply want to point out that the project is very well advised to have better quality control than it had for the past years. I have one or two

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pending v0.9.9 release

2005-11-10 Thread Buchanan, Stuart
Curt, One follow-up question. Are we still following the convention of odd-numbered releases being dev and even being stable. I ask as the Getting Start Guide still thinks so, and I'll correct it if it is wrong. -Stuart

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pending v0.9.9 release

2005-11-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Buchanan, Stuart wrote: Curt, One follow-up question. Are we still following the convention of odd-numbered releases being dev and even being stable. I ask as the Getting Start Guide still thinks so, and I'll correct it if it is wrong. We tried that. 'Officially' 0.8.0 is the current

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pending v0.9.9 release

2005-11-10 Thread Martin Spott
Buchanan, Stuart wrote: One follow-up question. Are we still following the convention of odd-numbered releases being dev and even being stable. I ask as the Getting Start Guide still thinks so, and I'll correct it if it is wrong. This clause should be removed - I remember it's in there, but

[Flightgear-devel] Bus error SimGear XML Parser - 0.9.9-pre2

2005-11-10 Thread Arthur Wiebe
Here's the output when I try to run fgfs 0.9.9-pre2 with SimGear 0.3.9-pre2 and 0.9.9-pre2 base package.Using Mac OS X hack for initializing C++ stdio...Error reading properties: Failed to open fileat .//data/cloudlayers.xml (reported by SimGear XML Parser)Bus errorAnd of course there's no

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bus error SimGear XML Parser - 0.9.9-pre2

2005-11-10 Thread Erik Hofman
Arthur Wiebe wrote: Here's the output when I try to run fgfs 0.9.9-pre2 with SimGear 0.3.9-pre2 and 0.9.9-pre2 base package. Using Mac OS X hack for initializing C++ stdio... Error reading properties: Failed to open file at .//data/cloudlayers.xml (reported by SimGear XML Parser) Bus error

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bus error SimGear XML Parser - 0.9.9-pre2

2005-11-10 Thread Arthur Wiebe
Yeah the file is in CVS but it's not included in the 0.9.9-pre2 release base package.I guess I'll just use CVS base then.On 11/10/05, Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Arthur Wiebe wrote: Here's the output when I try to run fgfs 0.9.9-pre2 with SimGear 0.3.9-pre2 and 0.9.9-pre2 base package.

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/c182 c182-set.xml, 1.6,

2005-11-10 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/c182 In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv2788 Modified Files: c182-set.xml I can't resist the suspicion that there's something wrong with the 3D model. At least I get the glider to see and I yet didn't find yout why.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bus error SimGear XML Parser - 0.9.9-pre2

2005-11-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Arthur Wiebe wrote: Yeah the file is in CVS but it's not included in the 0.9.9-pre2 release base package. I guess I'll just use CVS base then. Yes, you should be able to use the file from cvs. I see I missed it when I created the v0.9.9-pre base package. It will be in the next release

[Flightgear-devel] UFO - non-discussion

2005-11-10 Thread Alex Perry
Melchior FRANZ writes It is beyond me why nobody seems to understand the purpose of the UFO. It was never meant to be a serious aircraft. It is the scenery exploration tool. It doesn't need to have a cockpit or a realistic FDM. It uses up 76 kB uncompressed, and 10.8 kB compressed! Even

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database

2005-11-10 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: We proudly present the first export from the TerraGear landcover database or however you prefer to name it. [...] You'll find some further information on this page refinement in process: http://web44.netzwerteserver2.de/212.0.html Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/c182 c182-set.xml, 1.6,

2005-11-10 Thread Buchanan, Stuart
--- Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't resist the suspicion that there's something wrong with the 3D model. At least I get the glider to see and I yet didn't find yout why. Several XML files and the AC file do have DOS line endings but this doesn't cause the trouble I've

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear v0.9.9-pre2

2005-11-10 Thread Steve Hosgood
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 19:46, Curtis L. Olson wrote: FlightGear v0.9.9-pre2 (second prerelease for v0.9.9) is now available for downloading and testing from the FlightGear web site (http://www.flightgear.org) It would be great if as many people as possible could download the tarballs for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear v0.9.9-pre2

2005-11-10 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Thursday 10 November 2005 17:02, Steve Hosgood wrote: The latter few lines of strace fgfs look like this: open(/usr/share/FlightGear/data/cloudlayers.xml, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) I'm sure I saw an hour or so ago on this list that this file was mistakenly

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/c182 c182-set.xml, 1.6,

2005-11-10 Thread Erik Hofman
Buchanan, Stuart wrote: Have you synced Instruments-3d ? The new C182 model requires the new yoke, flaps and trimwheel that I submitted at the same time. I assume they were all checked in at the same time. Oops, they hadn't. Erik ___

[Flightgear-devel] Strange colors in spash screen

2005-11-10 Thread Arthur Wiebe
http://artooro.spymac.com/pub/fg_spash_screen.pngThis is a screenshot of some very interesting colors I get in the splash screen when launching FlightGear 0.9.9-pre2.Any idea what could be wrong? It all works fine once everything has been initiated. -- Arthur/-

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Freeglut on SuSE 10.0

2005-11-10 Thread Steve Knoblock
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:20:42 -0600, you wrote: You are using a buggy freeglut version (2.4). Upgrade to a current CVS version, or downgrade to 2.2, they work fine. Where and how do I install 2.2 on SuSE? I tried adding a local folder to Yast as a source of RPM packages. It said okay, click here

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Freeglut on SuSE 10.0

2005-11-10 Thread Stefan Seifert
Steve Knoblock wrote: I tried a suggestion on the SuSE forums to issue an yast -i package.rpm command, but nothing seemed to happen. No error, nothing was added to my Yast config as far as I can tell. I am uncomfortable (prefer to let Yast handle it) issuing an rpm command, but perhaps I should

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear v0.9.9-pre2

2005-11-10 Thread Dave Culp
Aside from the already mentioned glitch about the missing cloudlayers.xml file, I was able to build 0.9.9-pre2 without any problems on my linux box. I am getting some extraneous console output, which perhaps needs to be cleaned up. (This is using the default log level, running the T-38 from

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Freeglut on SuSE 10.0

2005-11-10 Thread Ladislav Michnovič
Or just rpm -e --nodeps freeglut rpm -ihv /path/freeglut-2.2-xxx.rpm Ladislav. 2005/11/10, Stefan Seifert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Steve Knoblock wrote: I tried a suggestion on the SuSE forums to issue an yast -i package.rpm command, but nothing seemed to happen. No error, nothing was added to

[Flightgear-devel] runfgfs

2005-11-10 Thread Buchanan, Stuart
Hi All, I'm updating the getting started guide. It refers to runfgfs as the method to start FG. However, my cygwin build didn't install it, and I can't find it in my WinXP 0.9.8 install (though this is quite heavily modified). Is it deprecated, or are my installs wrong and it'll be included in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runfgfs

2005-11-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Buchanan, Stuart wrote: Hi All, I'm updating the getting started guide. It refers to runfgfs as the method to start FG. However, my cygwin build didn't install it, and I can't find it in my WinXP 0.9.8 install (though this is quite heavily modified). Is it deprecated, or are my installs wrong

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear landcover database

2005-11-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: We proudly present the first export from the TerraGear landcover database or however you prefer to name it. [...] You'll find some further information on this page refinement in process:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/c182 c182-set.xml, 1.6,

2005-11-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott wrote: I can't resist the suspicion that there's something wrong with the 3D model. At least I get the glider to see and I yet didn't find yout why. Several XML files and the AC file do have DOS line endings but this doesn't cause the trouble I've already removed all of them,

[Flightgear-devel] Citation pitch down divergence. Fixed?

2005-11-10 Thread Andy Ross
After some prodding from Curt, I finally spent a few hours yesterday tracking down the pitch down discontinuity in the Citation. Well, I didn't find a discontinuity. I can now graph the lift curve from a Surface (a real one, part of the real aircraft, not an isolated test instance) and verify

Re: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread Steve Knoblock
On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:55:35 -0600, you wrote: I think, especially in view of the spate of posts a short while ago, it would be wise to only include (by default) aircraft which are quite complete - i.e. with populated cockpits etc. People who know what they want and what they're doing can

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2005-11-10 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Martin Spott wrote: I can't resist the suspicion that there's something wrong with the 3D model. At least I get the glider to see and I yet didn't find yout why. Several XML files and the AC file do have DOS line endings but this doesn't cause the trouble I've

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announcement: First TerraGear

2005-11-10 Thread Martin Spott
Curt, Curtis L. Olson wrote: I should also point out that the next scenery build (which is happening concurrent to the v0.9.9 release and causing my head to spin 3x faster than normal (not factoring in beer)) will be based on this data export. Thank you very much for this commitment. I

[Flightgear-devel] nimitz despeckle

2005-11-10 Thread Alex Romosan
can somebody with cvs access please run ac3d-despeckle on nimitz.ac and commit the fixed version? i have one of those older nvidia cards and the flicker is annoying. i can confirm that running ac3d-despeckle fixes the flickering. thanks. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear v0.9.9-pre2

2005-11-10 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Steve Hosgood schrieb: Seems like the program closes /usr/share/FlightGear/data/preferences.xml and immediately crashes. Hi Steve, I had the same problem today after compiling new SimGear/FlightGear CVS. Although I had downloaded FlightGear CVS data with cvs update -d -P I got the message

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Which aircraft to include in v0.9.9?

2005-11-10 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Steve Knoblock schrieb: My first impression of FlightGear on Windows was soured by the first aircraft I choose. It was the Cessna with full IFR panel. The panel was upside down and very strange. It didn't make a good first impression and left me confused. If I had not been persistent I might

Re: [Flightgear-devel] waypoints, waypoint loops, route manger

2005-11-10 Thread Lee Elliott
On Wednesday 09 Nov 2005 22:02, Craig E. Staples wrote: Hello all, I'm trying certain senarios via waypoints and varying altitudes by using flightplan/.fgfsrc file. I plan on implementing a data input change for route manger code to read a file with my data, but in the mean time I was

RE: [Flightgear-devel] wp altitudes

2005-11-10 Thread Craig E. Staples
Yeah...It appears as if autopilot is not getting the altitude info from [EMAIL PROTECTED] The autopilot altitude value stays at it's default 5k and doesn't budge. The only way to set this alt is manually through the ap gui. Any quick fixes would be appreciated... Does the telnet or GPS system

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Strange colors in spash screen

2005-11-10 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 10 Nov 2005 18:01, Arthur Wiebe wrote: http://artooro.spymac.com/pub/fg_spash_screen.png This is a screenshot of some very interesting colors I get in the splash screen when launching FlightGear 0.9.9-pre2. Any idea what could be wrong? It all works fine once everything has been

RE: [Flightgear-devel] waypoints, waypoint loops, route manger

2005-11-10 Thread Craig E. Staples
The flightplan works great with regard to waypoints, but I have to manually insert an altitude in gui ap. This works great and stable too... It just leads me to believe that the property tree is messed up somewhere. Is coding the only correction here or can something be done via xml file or

RE: [Flightgear-devel] waypoints, waypoint loops, route manger

2005-11-10 Thread Craig E. Staples
The flightplan works great with regard to waypoints, but I have to manually insert an altitude in gui ap. This works great and stable too... It just leads me to believe that the property tree is messed up somewhere. Is coding the only correction here or can something be done via xml file or

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Citation pitch down divergence. Fixed?

2005-11-10 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 10 Nov 2005 20:20, Andy Ross wrote: After some prodding from Curt, I finally spent a few hours yesterday tracking down the pitch down discontinuity in the Citation. Well, I didn't find a discontinuity. I can now graph the lift curve from a Surface (a real one, part of the real

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Citation pitch down divergence. Fixed?

2005-11-10 Thread Josh Babcock
Lee Elliott wrote: On Thursday 10 Nov 2005 20:20, Andy Ross wrote: After some prodding from Curt, I finally spent a few hours yesterday tracking down the pitch down discontinuity in the Citation. Well, I didn't find a discontinuity. I can now graph the lift curve from a Surface (a real one,

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 31, Issue 42

2005-11-10 Thread Steve Knoblock
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:11:25 -0600, you wrote: Their last recommendation was not what we would like to see and we could say simply ignore it but a *lot* of linux user are reading this magazin and potentially flightsim interested people get the wrong impression by this review. :-( I remember

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear v0.0.9-pre3

2005-11-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Just a quick announcement that I rolled up v0.9.9-pre3 tonight. I had screwed up and missed a file in the base package, and then some other changes got snuck into simgear/flightgear so I figured I might as well roll out another try. Curt. -- Curtis Olson