Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-26 Thread kreuzritter2000
Am Samstag, den 25.02.2012, 22:32 +0100 schrieb HB-GRAL: Another example id livery and logos.. eg an airline that is defunct or BritishArwys as and exmaple.. Now their logo is their copyright.. Sorry I can not say anything about trademarks. Cheers, Yves In my opinion using trademarks

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-26 Thread kreuzritter2000
Am Sonntag, den 26.02.2012, 02:26 +0200 schrieb Stefan Gofferje: This was specifically an answer to Kreuzritter's suggestion to remove all links to custom scenery from all official FG websites to force people to create scenery for the central database. I would consider this kinda

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-26 Thread Martin Spott
Mathias Fröhlich wrote: Anyway, I hope you enjoy your life, family and children and I am looking forward to meet you again! Sure I think there's still a bottle of French wine left from your last visit ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-26 Thread Martin Spott
HB-GRAL wrote: Proposal for a first small meeting at #fg_scenery channel, this weekend: I tried to join for logging the session (in order to determine wether there are any open questions regarding the Scenemodels/MapServer infrastructure), but it seems I'm the only user there. Right ?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-26 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 26.02.12 17:03, schrieb Martin Spott: HB-GRAL wrote: Proposal for a first small meeting at #fg_scenery channel, this weekend: I tried to join for logging the session (in order to determine wether there are any open questions regarding the Scenemodels/MapServer infrastructure), but it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-26 Thread Martin Spott
HB-GRAL wrote: irc.flightgear.org irc.flightgear.org != irc.freenode.net ??? Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-26 Thread Heiko Schulz
No, for a user it matters if he has to download a scenery from one place or from many partly incompatible scenerys scattered around the internet. Sorry, but being also a user I can tell you that it doesn't matter to me. And I'm pretty sure, a lot of others users as well! I fact, I have to say

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread Stefan Gofferje
On 02/24/2012 02:35 PM, kreuzritter2000 wrote: In my opinion a key for success of 1.) is to NOT promote individual scenery projects on the official FlightGear places. So i suggest to remove all urls that do link to such individual scenery projects from the FlightGear website, the wiki and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Yves wrote: Proposal for a first small meeting at #fg_scenery channel, this weekend: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=IRC+Meeting+%40+%23fg_sceneryiso=20120226T17p1=945ah=1 Won't be able to be there :( Rest of the week should be fine though...

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
Martin, It's sad to hear that this central scenery database should have failed. I never cared myself much about how our scenery is built. This is just because all my interrests and work are in completely different corners of this project. So concentrating on other corners than scenery can

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread Martin Spott
Stefan Gofferje wrote: I think, the licensing issue is maybe a bigger point than it's being given credit for. It seems to be very hard to create really pretty scenery which is GPL compatible. I'm not uptodate, but I remember something about e.g. CORINE being not GPL-compatible. This has

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 25.02.12 14:28, schrieb Stefan Gofferje: Now we are back to what people are interested in... If I think about myself personally, if I would go through the hassle of compiling and learning to handle this monster Terragear, I would do it to create the best possible VFR scenery for Western

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread Martin Spott
HB-GRAL wrote: Where have you been looking for? I can provide you some GPL compliant data when it is necessary. Just send me a note or ask at the forum. While you're at it: I saw several places where people were claiming CGIAR SRTM to be GPL compilant. Unless you're having ecplicit written

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 25.02.12 21:38, schrieb Martin Spott: HB-GRAL wrote: Where have you been looking for? I can provide you some GPL compliant data when it is necessary. Just send me a note or ask at the forum. While you're at it: I saw several places where people were claiming CGIAR SRTM to be GPL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread Pedro Morgan
Can I ask a Muppet Question.. ?? copyright is always owned by authority of nav data.. eg caa, nats, eurocontrol.. So this data is theirs but were allowed to use Another example id livery and logos.. eg an airline that is defunct or BritishArwys as and exmaple.. Now their logo is their

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread HB-GRAL
Hi Pete Am 25.02.12 22:12, schrieb Pedro Morgan: Can I ask a Muppet Question.. ?? copyright is always owned by authority of nav data.. eg caa, nats, eurocontrol.. There are many different ways handling this data, by each region. FAA i.e. puts a lot of data into public domain, that is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread Pedro Morgan
So its a typical data distribution problem.. This is easy to solve.. with a few participants and testers.. pedro On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM, HB-GRAL flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: Hi Pete Am 25.02.12 22:12, schrieb Pedro Morgan: Can I ask a Muppet Question.. ?? copyright is always

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread David Van Mosselbeen
Hi Martin, I have no idea about the technical part you are doing behind the scenes to provide us a world in FG. But it's a fact, no world in FG, would make the rest useless. Terrasync and it's idea is somethings that have made FG stronger! All those who use it know the fabulous advantage it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread Gene Buckle
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012, Pedro Morgan wrote: Can I ask a Muppet Question.. ?? copyright is always owned by authority of nav data.. eg caa, nats, eurocontrol.. So this data is theirs but were allowed to use Another example id livery and logos.. eg an airline that is defunct or BritishArwys as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-25 Thread Stefan Gofferje
Hi, On 02/25/2012 10:22 PM, HB-GRAL wrote: What are you waiting, go for it! When I can help to keep the monster small, I will try to do it. From my experience building scenery I would say ... building Western Finland in a good matter will take approximate six months when you’re fast (while

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-24 Thread Erik Hofman
On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 22:21 +, Martin Spott wrote: Those who relied on me to continue what I've done so far I kindly ask to bear with me, because I reached the point where I have to apply a measure of self protection I think we've all reached that point at some time and it's good

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Spott
From my perspective the really relevant paragraph in my posting is this one: Martin Spott wrote: The idea I had in mind, the motivation which drove me into dedicating so many hours was to focus as many of the available ressources as possible on building the best _common_ Scenery we could make

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Spott
Pedro Morgan wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: In the mid of the last decade I've been one of those who realized that developing a long-term strategy for the various FlightGear Scenery ressources would be a Really Good Idea. Meanwhile there's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-24 Thread flightgear
I really hope that we can start a discussion now about the state of the scenery and making (or following) some plans keeping the basic ideas up for the moment, also looking to planned improvements. I am following Martins ideas since a long time. I always tried to help here and there but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-24 Thread kreuzritter2000
Am Freitag, den 24.02.2012, 09:41 + schrieb Martin Spott: From my perspective the really relevant paragraph in my posting is this one: Basically I see two different approaches in FlightGear Scenery world (aside from a few minor blends): 1.) Focus all ressources on one common World

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-24 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi all, and especially Martin, first of all let me say that I completely respect your decision. I'm sure, knowing you're way of decision making, that you've been thinking it over for a while. Without trying to change your opinion, I do like to give you my view on the scenery issue.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-24 Thread Julien Nguyen
Hi Martin, I sent you yesterday some new scenery models to add and I haven't paid attention to the emails on fg mailing list... For one year I'm working as a scenery modeler, I didn't know all the problems you met, and I'm deeply sorry for being so ignorant. As a FG user, I really support the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-24 Thread Julien Nguyen
Hi Martin, I sent you yesterday some new scenery models to add and I haven't paid attention to the emails on fg mailing list... For one year I'm working as a scenery modeler, I didn't know all the problems you met, and I'm deeply sorry for being so ignorant. As a FG user, I really support the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-24 Thread thorsten . i . renk
Basically I see two different approaches in FlightGear Scenery world (aside from a few minor blends): 1.) Focus all ressources on one common World Scenery. 2.) Build pools of individual (and sometimes even contradicting) scenarios - also known as the M$FS way. It's obvious that 1.) was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-24 Thread Christian Schmitt
flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: [...] I really wish we could build some kind of temporary Scenery Team and discuss ideas. My proposal is to meet at IRC on day the next weeks to start organizing, or to open a temporary group or list. (Sorry, i do not like the forum for such). A scenery team

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-24 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 24.02.12 21:44, schrieb Christian Schmitt: flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: [...] I really wish we could build some kind of temporary Scenery Team and discuss ideas. My proposal is to meet at IRC on day the next weeks to start organizing, or to open a temporary group or list. (Sorry, i do

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-24 Thread Alexis Bory
Le 23/02/2012 23:21, Martin Spott a écrit : when I can spend all the time on so many other enjoyable activities. Have fun, Martin. Martin, I quote only this one, as I do know what can be felt in such circumstances, and you're right, the most important: save time to enjoy life.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-23 Thread Martin Spott
In the mid of the last decade I've been one of those who realized that developing a long-term strategy for the various FlightGear Scenery ressources would be a Really Good Idea. Meanwhile there's been progress to make such a strategy happen, anyhow, as usual, the groundwork doesn't have much of a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-23 Thread Andre Dietrich
Am 24.02.2012 00:19, schrieb Pedro Morgan: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net mailto:martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote: Apparently I've been too ambitious and idealistic. I know that voluntary OpenSource development is primarily ego-driven, but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking at a nice project from outside

2012-02-23 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 23.02.12 23:21, schrieb Martin Spott: Apparently I've been too ambitious and idealistic. No ! Cheers, Yves -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization