Re: [Flightgear-users] loading FGFS 0.9.6 fails

2004-10-16 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Simon Kokerbeck a écrit : If you use 3d clouds, you must start with --bpp=32. -Fred Doesnt work unfortunately. I still get the same error. How your desktop is configured ? do you allocated enough colors ? -Fred ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL

[Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread Paul Surgeon
Does someone have a list of flyable aircraft for FlightGear? About the only aircraft that handles in a realistic way is the 172. What I would love to see done is all the incomplete aircraft stripped out of FlightGear. It leaves a sour taste in one's mouth when you try all the aircraft and just

Re: [Flightgear-users] loading FGFS 0.9.6 fails

2004-10-16 Thread Simon Kokerbeck
How your desktop is configured ? do you allocated enough colors ? -Fred Well if i set the colordepth to 24 bit it works. but cant play full screen. by the way i wasnt even using the 3dclouds simon -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread Andreas
Paul Surgeon wrote: Does someone have a list of flyable aircraft for FlightGear? About the only aircraft that handles in a realistic way is the 172. I once tried to come up with a table listing what worked and what didn't work on all aircrafts, but gave up. What I would love to see done is all

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread Andreas
David Megginson wrote: impressed by any of the jets and panels in MSFS or Fly!), and if they make the jets realistic, the potential pool of users who could actually handle them will be small -- the sad irony is that the better they do, the more complaints they'll get. We already have trouble with

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson wrote: The C-172p (which you mentioned) and PA-28-161 handle very accurately. The C-310 is flyable, if a little klunky. The J3 Cub works well, as the the Wright Flyer (it's almost unflyable, but so is the real thing). The DC-3 is usable, if not entirely realistic -- the main

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson wrote: The C-172p (which you mentioned) and PA-28-161 handle very accurately. The C-310 is flyable, if a little klunky. The J3 Cub works well, as the the Wright Flyer (it's almost unflyable, but so is the real thing). The DC-3 is usable, if not entirely realistic -- the main

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread louis holleman
On 16 Oct 2004 at 11:28, Andreas wrote: So, are you saying that all planes that behave in an odd way are actually modelled correctly? Can this be said about version 0.9.6, for example? If not, then the point is to move those planes that are still work in progress to somewhere else, like

Re: [Flightgear-users] real helicopter crask

2004-10-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:17:10 -0300, Ethy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 03:14:06 +0200 Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.inexo.com.br/SA365/SA365-flight007-aero-data.tar.gz http://www.inexo.com.br/SA365/SA365-flight007-engine-data.tar.gz

Re: [Flightgear-users] real helicopter crask

2004-10-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:22:34 +0200, Erik wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ethy H. Brito wrote: On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 03:14:06 +0200 Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.inexo.com.br/SA365/SA365-flight007-aero-data.tar.gz

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:59:09 -0400, David wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 06:50:39 -0700, Stewart Andreason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the rest of us, it would be nice to be able to set an option to tone down the propeller effects... I sincerely hope that

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread Andreas
David Megginson wrote: Remember that no plane will fly straight and level indefinitely with your hands off the controls, and many planes will need a lot of input to track the centreline during the takeoff roll -- these are features that we worked hard to add, not bugs that we need to fix. Good, I

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread Andreas
Jon Berndt wrote: Yes, I've made an attempt in the JSBSim config file format to include a done-ness specifier for the FDM: Would this be really needed? A simple README would suffice I think. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread Andreas
louis holleman wrote: I recently had a discussion here about odd behaviour of several planes, including the 172 1981 model which still is about the only one that I can enjoy in my FGFS. People mentioned the torque effects, and I got it about under control, but despite that it's still the only

[Flightgear-users] Linux Flight Joystick / Controller ?

2004-10-16 Thread white_wind
Hi Guys Gals, I'm a FlightGear NewbieI've installed the software, and Scenery for the Southern U.S. so far. FYI...I'm turning 62 in Feb., and have always wanted to learn to fly. been computing since '95. I'm running a PC, Celeron CPU, Linux Fedora Core 2, Gainward FX

Re: [Flightgear-users] Startup of fgfs fails

2004-10-16 Thread Dirk Vornheder
... Initializing OpenAL sound manager Adding subsystem fx ATC Display ATC Manager WARNING - INVALID type found in /usr/share/FlightGear/ATC/default.atis WARNING - INVALID type found in /usr/share/FlightGear/ATC/default.tower WARNING - INVALID type found in

[Flightgear-users] Version 0.9.6 crashes on WinXP SP2

2004-10-16 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_mesgforum=198topic_id=302mesg_id=302page= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread David Megginson
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:36:40 -0500, David Culp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You CAN help. Can you start by describing the flight condition that leads to the yaw oscillation? I'll need to reproduce this same flight condition so I can see what's happening first. I'm speaking from near-ignorance

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread Andreas
David Culp wrote: You CAN help. Can you start by describing the flight condition that leads to the yaw oscillation? I'll need to reproduce this same flight condition so I can see what's happening first. Right now I don't see the oscillation. I see that too. The condition is nothing special

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread David Culp
You CAN help. Can you start by describing the flight condition that leads to the yaw oscillation? I'll need to reproduce this same flight condition so I can see what's happening first. I'm speaking from near-ignorance because I have zero experience with transport jets, but don't they

Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft

2004-10-16 Thread David Culp
I see that too. The condition is nothing special actually. Just fly level and try a left turn. In my case, the nose will first go the right and then the aircraft will start turning left. Almost like the left bank caused a right rudder reaction for a while. I can't reproduce that. Can you

[Flightgear-users] Good Manual ?

2004-10-16 Thread Josef Krzywon
Hi All, I've downloaded Flightgear some days ago (windows binarys). After some experiments in different aircrafts and scenerys I wanted to learn a little bit more about the insturments and some basic navoigation. I've tried to search for a good manual wich explains me how to set the Radio-stack

[Flightgear-users] Good Manual ? [Part 2]

2004-10-16 Thread Josef Krzywon
hmnpf... I've pressed the wrong button... the last mail wasn't finisched. I've also tried to load a different scenery.. that worked, but it seems there is no kind of navigation points. The ILS instrumets shows allways a cross. and the needles arens moving in any direction. cheers Josef

[Flightgear-users] FlightGear-0.9.6 build errors

2004-10-16 Thread Sid Boyce
Any ideas? /usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:660: undefined reference to `std::__default_alloc_template(bool)1, (int)0::_S_free_list'

Re: [Flightgear-users] Good Manual ?

2004-10-16 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
Boris was writting a tutorial part of FlightGear, but there haven't been any word about it. http://flitetutor.sourceforge.net/include.php?path=start.php Ampere On October 16, 2004 19:32, Josef Krzywon wrote: I've tried to search for a good manual wich explains me how to set the Radio-stack

Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear-0.9.6 build errors

2004-10-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Without looking too closely, have you built all the pieces (openal, plib, simgear, flightgear) with the same version of the compiler? Occasionally if you upgrade your compiler, it can change the munging scheme and then newly compiled code can't link properly with older compiled code and you

Re: [Flightgear-users] Linux Flight Joystick / Controller ?

2004-10-16 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Saturday, 16 October 2004 19:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone on a Linux System have a suggestion for the best Joystick or Flight Controller to purchase ? and is there linux software to interact with it ? I'm using a Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro joystick and