Re: [Flightgear-users] loading FGFS 0.9.6 fails
Simon Kokerbeck a écrit : If you use 3d clouds, you must start with --bpp=32. -Fred Doesnt work unfortunately. I still get the same error. How your desktop is configured ? do you allocated enough colors ? -Fred ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
Does someone have a list of flyable aircraft for FlightGear? About the only aircraft that handles in a realistic way is the 172. What I would love to see done is all the incomplete aircraft stripped out of FlightGear. It leaves a sour taste in one's mouth when you try all the aircraft and just get one mess after another. It would be better if there was only 1 good aircraft in FlightGear than add a whole bunch of useless ones that just drag the reputation and quality of FlightGear down. How did most of these aircraft make it into official releases anyway? I know these are some rather hard remarks but I can't find one decent jet to fly in FlightGear and it's frustrating. Paul ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] loading FGFS 0.9.6 fails
How your desktop is configured ? do you allocated enough colors ? -Fred Well if i set the colordepth to 24 bit it works. but cant play full screen. by the way i wasnt even using the 3dclouds simon -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
Paul Surgeon wrote: Does someone have a list of flyable aircraft for FlightGear? About the only aircraft that handles in a realistic way is the 172. I once tried to come up with a table listing what worked and what didn't work on all aircrafts, but gave up. What I would love to see done is all the incomplete aircraft stripped out of FlightGear. It leaves a sour taste in one's mouth when you try all the aircraft and just get one mess after another. Me too, but in another way. There is a --verbose flag to --help, right? Give this flag to --show-aircraft as well so that, by default, --show-aircraft only shows the working airplaines, and only with --verbose would the more experimental ones show. It would be better if there was only 1 good aircraft in FlightGear than add a whole bunch of useless ones that just drag the reputation and quality of FlightGear down. How did most of these aircraft make it into official releases anyway? I know these are some rather hard remarks but I can't find one decent jet to fly in FlightGear and it's frustrating. I'm also stuck with c172 for now, and short trips. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
David Megginson wrote: impressed by any of the jets and panels in MSFS or Fly!), and if they make the jets realistic, the potential pool of users who could actually handle them will be small -- the sad irony is that the better they do, the more complaints they'll get. We already have trouble with regular, sometimes angry mail from people who think it's a bug that our single-engine planes pull to the right during a steep climb, or that taildraggers don't just go straight down the runway on their own when the tailwheel comes up. So, are you saying that all planes that behave in an odd way are actually modelled correctly? Can this be said about version 0.9.6, for example? If not, then the point is to move those planes that are still work in progress to somewhere else, like the --verbose thing I mentioned earlier. The 737 model, for example, clearly states that it's a beta version. I don't know regarding what, if the fdm or the panel (which doesn't work very well, for example). ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
David Megginson wrote: The C-172p (which you mentioned) and PA-28-161 handle very accurately. The C-310 is flyable, if a little klunky. The J3 Cub works well, as the the Wright Flyer (it's almost unflyable, but so is the real thing). The DC-3 is usable, if not entirely realistic -- the main problem is the panel. The BO-105 helicopter is also flyable, but does not support autorotations yet. That's about all I regularly fly -- of lot of the jets work, but I don't know how realistic their handling is; the turbine engines are certainly oversimplified compared to our piston engine support (which is maybe 70% accurate right now). Don't forget the seahawk, hunter, p-51, a4, and spitfire which are all pretty complete packages including full 3d cockpits. Lee E's creations (a10, b-52, an225, tsr2, comperswift, and yf23) are also a lot of fun if you don't mind that they have no 3d cockpit, and the 2d panel is more of a debugging tool. The external visuals and animations are as good as anything I've seen ... check out the gear compression animation on these when you break hard or touch down. They also fly very nice (but the performance is a bit more speculative in many cases.) These models have a lot of hidden details that you have to hunt around to see. For instance, on some of the jets, watch closely when you drop a couple notches of flaps ... The beech1900 has a pretty good first cut at the flight dynamics and flies quite nicely. The YAsim turboprop modeling is pretty simplistic at this point, it has a nice, but only-2d instrument panel, and the external visual model is a straight import from a simple FS98 model. But, I think there is someone working on a much nicer 3d model which should really add to this one. Hopefully as our turboprop modeling gets better we will see a lot more of this class aircraft. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
David Megginson wrote: The C-172p (which you mentioned) and PA-28-161 handle very accurately. The C-310 is flyable, if a little klunky. The J3 Cub works well, as the the Wright Flyer (it's almost unflyable, but so is the real thing). The DC-3 is usable, if not entirely realistic -- the main problem is the panel. The BO-105 helicopter is also flyable, but does not support autorotations yet. That's about all I regularly fly -- of lot of the jets work, but I don't know how realistic their handling is; the turbine engines are certainly oversimplified compared to our piston engine support (which is maybe 70% accurate right now). Don't forget the seahawk, hunter, p-51, a4, and spitfire which are all pretty complete packages including full 3d cockpits. Lee E's creations (a10, b-52, an225, tsr2, comperswift, and yf23) are also a lot of fun if you don't mind that they have no 3d cockpit, and the 2d panel is more of a debugging tool. The external visuals and animations are as good as anything I've seen ... check out the gear compression animation on these when you break hard or touch down. They also fly very nice (but the performance is a bit more speculative in many cases.) These models have a lot of hidden details that you have to hunt around to see. For instance, on some of the jets, watch closely when you drop a couple notches of flaps ... The beech1900 has a pretty good first cut at the flight dynamics and flies quite nicely. The YAsim turboprop modeling is pretty simplistic at this point, it has a nice, but only-2d instrument panel, and the external visual model is a straight import from a simple FS98 model. But, I think there is someone working on a much nicer 3d model which should really add to this one. Hopefully as our turboprop modeling gets better we will see a lot more of this class aircraft. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
On 16 Oct 2004 at 11:28, Andreas wrote: So, are you saying that all planes that behave in an odd way are actually modelled correctly? Can this be said about version 0.9.6, for example? If not, then the point is to move those planes that are still work in progress to somewhere else, like the --verbose thing I mentioned earlier. The 737 model, for example, clearly states that it's a beta version. I don't know regarding what, if the fdm or the panel (which doesn't work very well, for example). Andreas, I recently had a discussion here about odd behaviour of several planes, including the 172 1981 model which still is about the only one that I can enjoy in my FGFS. People mentioned the torque effects, and I got it about under control, but despite that it's still the only decently behaving plane in my setup. I thought I had a messed up setup, which was done by running one installer over another one, then upgrading the fgfs.exe file to the latest one, but when I did it as it should have been done, there was no difference at all. I kept my mouth shut but now I see I'm not the only 1. It cud be handy to have all alpha and beta models in a separate dir, with a big sign Experimental! Operate at own risk... As for the panels: I've been using Fly since day 1, even bought Fly2! later. Maybe the fdm's aren't the best, at least panels work like they should work. Also AP's work like they should work; if there is someone who claims flight NWA052 is done purely by hand from Frankfurt to destination this person lies. A 737 cud be a nice one to do some trips with in FG, but a working AP would be even nicer. As long as that isn't the case, I'd suggest to move the bird into the experimental dir. Louis ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] real helicopter crask
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:17:10 -0300, Ethy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 03:14:06 +0200 Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.inexo.com.br/SA365/SA365-flight007-aero-data.tar.gz http://www.inexo.com.br/SA365/SA365-flight007-engine-data.tar.gz ..these data are from the _same_ flight? I may be tired, but I think I saw both August and October 14'th as dates??? Yes. I am pretty shure. I can't these two dates you mentioned. I see 12 August the date the recorder was removed from the chopper and 14 October the date the 'voo 007' (flight 007) was printed.] Correct me if I am wrong please. ..I was tired. ;-) And what now? I am accept instructions. ..chk out the protocol handler, 6 eyes sees better than 4 or 2. Do you mean 'net_fdm.hxx' and 'net_ctrls.hxx'?? Sorry but I am a little (or a lot) lost here yet. ..scratch that, Erik wrote a new protocol handler, play with it and tell us if it makes sense to you. ..also, it is useful to know how your Panther(?) differ from a Dolphin SA365 or a Z-9G, both for 3D modellers and for FDM authors. Any photos may help?? I can see If I get clearence to shoot them. Any interest in intruments panel? ..go for it, the panel too, if there _are_ national security issues on secret instrumentes etc, accept those for now, and have your boss fry his own ass as we convince him, we first wanna qualify FG as an investigation tool, and for that we can use any SA365. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] real helicopter crask
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:22:34 +0200, Erik wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ethy H. Brito wrote: On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 03:14:06 +0200 Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.inexo.com.br/SA365/SA365-flight007-aero-data.tar.gz http://www.inexo.com.br/SA365/SA365-flight007-engine-data.tar.gz ..these data are from the _same_ flight? I may be tired, but I think I saw both August and October 14'th as dates??? Yes. I am pretty shure. I can't these two dates you mentioned. I see 12 August the date the recorder was removed from the chopper and 14 October the date the 'voo 007' (flight 007) was printed.] Correct me if I am wrong please. And what now? I am accept instructions. ..chk out the protocol handler, 6 eyes sees better than 4 or 2. Do you mean 'net_fdm.hxx' and 'net_ctrls.hxx'?? Sorry but I am a little (or a lot) lost here yet. You should be able to get a quick view of the flight by interpolating the accelerations to real lat/lon/altitude combinations. The fact that the accelerations are provided makes it possible to create a replay flight at a desired resolutions. ..also, it is useful to know how your Panther(?) differ from a Dolphin SA365 or a Z-9G, both for 3D modellers and for FDM authors. It doesn't, the filename indicates: SA365-flight007-aero-data ..for now, I agree, and defer this argument until we have qualified FG as an investigation tool, thenafter we're gonna have fun. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:59:09 -0400, David wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 06:50:39 -0700, Stewart Andreason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the rest of us, it would be nice to be able to set an option to tone down the propeller effects... I sincerely hope that you'll never see that, but we could create some separate, totally imaginary flight models for beginners, like 747-video-game, f16-video-game, or 172-video-game. After all, we do have a UFO flight model in there already. ..or 747-Wintendo-game etc? Put the blame where it belongs. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
David Megginson wrote: Remember that no plane will fly straight and level indefinitely with your hands off the controls, and many planes will need a lot of input to track the centreline during the takeoff roll -- these are features that we worked hard to add, not bugs that we need to fix. Good, I don't want a toy, I want a simulator. But with the current mixture of good, work-in-progress and bad planes in the default package, when something feels odd I keep wondering if it's the plane that is not ready, if it's my joystick that is giving false readings or if it is real. That I have to make this questions to myself takes away all the fun and brings me back to my chair in front of my desk. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
Jon Berndt wrote: Yes, I've made an attempt in the JSBSim config file format to include a done-ness specifier for the FDM: Would this be really needed? A simple README would suffice I think. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
louis holleman wrote: I recently had a discussion here about odd behaviour of several planes, including the 172 1981 model which still is about the only one that I can enjoy in my FGFS. People mentioned the torque effects, and I got it about under control, but despite that it's still the only decently behaving plane in my setup. I thought I had a messed up setup, which I'm not claiming to be a real pilot: I'm not. I can accept this kind of behaviour for the c172 since I've never even been in one. If pilots say this is the way it behaves, I accept it. What I don't want to keep doing is asking myself this question: wow, is this really so? Or is this one of those planes whose model is still being worked on?. As for the panels: I've been using Fly since day 1, even bought Fly2! later. Maybe the fdm's aren't the best, at least panels work like they should work. Also AP's work like I agree about the panels. I don't mind having 3D cockpits, just give me working instruments. they should work; if there is someone who claims flight NWA052 is done purely by hand from Frankfurt to destination this person lies. A 737 cud be a nice one to do some trips with in FG, but a working AP would be even nicer. As long as that isn't the case, I'd suggest to move the bird into the experimental dir. Now, I'm perfectly happy with the c172. It's great flying and learning. I just whish there were more good aircrafts like this one. But this is a free project, and people have a life. So, again repeating my suggestion, I think it would be great to somehow mark the aircrafts which are not yet ready somehow. One day they will be ready and we will all be able to enjoy them. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Linux Flight Joystick / Controller ?
Hi Guys Gals, I'm a FlightGear NewbieI've installed the software, and Scenery for the Southern U.S. so far. FYI...I'm turning 62 in Feb., and have always wanted to learn to fly. been computing since '95. I'm running a PC, Celeron CPU, Linux Fedora Core 2, Gainward FX Powerpack, 40 Gig ( 80 wire ) Hard Drive, 15 eMachines Color Monitor. Program does come up but has yet to be completely configured. Does anyone on a Linux System have a suggestion for the best Joystick or Flight Controller to purchase ? and is there linux software to interact with it ? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. g Mel Gordon Atlanta, GA ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Startup of fgfs fails
... Initializing OpenAL sound manager Adding subsystem fx ATC Display ATC Manager WARNING - INVALID type found in /usr/share/FlightGear/ATC/default.atis WARNING - INVALID type found in /usr/share/FlightGear/ATC/default.tower WARNING - INVALID type found in /usr/share/FlightGear/ATC/default.ground WARNING - INVALID type found in /usr/share/FlightGear/ATC/default.approach From file sounds sample = /usr/share/FlightGear/ATC/default.wav terminate called after throwing an instance of 'sg_exception' Aborted Where do you put your base package ? Is it in /usr/share/FlightGear ? Try : fgfs --fg-root=/path/to/your/base/package and report success or failure. -Fred I try latest version 0.9.6 but it doesn't help on this pc. On my other pc everything works. The two pc's have only one difference: the soundcard On the pc where fgfs works has a Audigy installed. The problem pc has a DigiFire 7.1 ! How can i disable the sound at startup ? Dirk ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Version 0.9.6 crashes on WinXP SP2
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Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:36:40 -0500, David Culp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You CAN help. Can you start by describing the flight condition that leads to the yaw oscillation? I'll need to reproduce this same flight condition so I can see what's happening first. I'm speaking from near-ignorance because I have zero experience with transport jets, but don't they often have a lot of yaw oscillation? I thought that was why the yaw-damper was always on, even when the pilot was hand-flying. Once on the radio, I did hear a big jet (don't remember the type) declare an emergency and return to the airport because it lost its yaw damper. All the best, David -- http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
David Culp wrote: You CAN help. Can you start by describing the flight condition that leads to the yaw oscillation? I'll need to reproduce this same flight condition so I can see what's happening first. Right now I don't see the oscillation. I see that too. The condition is nothing special actually. Just fly level and try a left turn. In my case, the nose will first go the right and then the aircraft will start turning left. Almost like the left bank caused a right rudder reaction for a while. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
You CAN help. Can you start by describing the flight condition that leads to the yaw oscillation? I'll need to reproduce this same flight condition so I can see what's happening first. I'm speaking from near-ignorance because I have zero experience with transport jets, but don't they often have a lot of yaw oscillation? I thought that was why the yaw-damper was always on, even when the pilot was hand-flying. Once on the radio, I did hear a big jet (don't remember the type) declare an emergency and return to the airport because it lost its yaw damper. All of the ones I'm familiar with need a yaw damper, but they'll fly adequately without one. If the yaw damper quits enroute you can continue as long as you avoid certain flight regimes as specified in the flight manual. Of course there may be exceptions. It usually more of a problem at high altitude, which makes me wonder if that big jet's main problem was that it didn't have enough fuel to get to it's destination at the restricted altitude, so they called the flight off and declared the emergency for a very overweight landing. But that's just a wild guess :) Dave -- David Culp [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Flyable aircraft
I see that too. The condition is nothing special actually. Just fly level and try a left turn. In my case, the nose will first go the right and then the aircraft will start turning left. Almost like the left bank caused a right rudder reaction for a while. I can't reproduce that. Can you send me the 737.xml file you're using so I can compare it with mine? Thanks, Dave -- David Culp [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Good Manual ?
Hi All, I've downloaded Flightgear some days ago (windows binarys). After some experiments in different aircrafts and scenerys I wanted to learn a little bit more about the insturments and some basic navoigation. I've tried to search for a good manual wich explains me how to set the Radio-stack for ILS Landings etc. I've tried the Flightschool manual but it is very incomplete, especialy in the navigation area. Where I can get Information how to use the Radio Stack. The Main Manual from FlightGear just tell me set up frequency but not how to set up the frequency or better WHICH frequeny (tower? Atis? which one from the 1-4 tower/atis frequencies ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Good Manual ? [Part 2]
hmnpf... I've pressed the wrong button... the last mail wasn't finisched. I've also tried to load a different scenery.. that worked, but it seems there is no kind of navigation points. The ILS instrumets shows allways a cross. and the needles arens moving in any direction. cheers Josef ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] FlightGear-0.9.6 build errors
Any ideas? /usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:660: undefined reference to `std::__default_alloc_template(bool)1, (int)0::_S_free_list' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13SGMetarRunwayESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_+0x8e):/usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:657: undefined reference to `std::__default_alloc_template(bool)1, (int)0::_S_node_allocator_lock' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13SGMetarRunwayESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_+0x9d): In function `std::_Rb_treestd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar , std::pairstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const, SGMetarRunway, std::_Select1ststd::pairstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const, SGMetarRunway , std::lessstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar , std::allocatorstd::pairstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const, SGMetarRunway ::_M_create_node(std::pairstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const, SGMetarRunway const)': /usr/include/g++/bits/stl_iterator.h:735: undefined reference to `std::__default_alloc_template(bool)1, (int)0::_S_node_allocator_lock' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_EPKS3_RKS6_+0x1c): In function `std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar std::operator+char, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar (char const*, std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const)': /usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:1039: undefined reference to `std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar ::_S_empty_rep_storage' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_EPKS3_RKS6_+0x26):/usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:235: undefined reference to `std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar ::_S_empty_rep_storage' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgdebug.a(logstream.o)(.gnu.linkonce.r._ZTV6logbuf+0x18):/ftp/oct04/SimGear-0.3.7/simgear/debug/logstream.hxx:176: undefined reference to `std::basic_streambufchar, std::char_traitschar ::seekoff(long, std::_Ios_Seekdir, std::_Ios_Openmode)' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [metar] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/FlightGear-0.9.6/src/Main' make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/FlightGear-0.9.6/src' make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 === ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-threads --with-simgear=/usr --with-plib=/usr --build=athlon --sysconfdir=/etc --mandir=/usr/share/man --includedir=/usr/include plib-1.8.4-1, SimGear-0.3.7 and latest openal. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =LINUX ONLY USED HERE= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Good Manual ?
Boris was writting a tutorial part of FlightGear, but there haven't been any word about it. http://flitetutor.sourceforge.net/include.php?path=start.php Ampere On October 16, 2004 19:32, Josef Krzywon wrote: I've tried to search for a good manual wich explains me how to set the Radio-stack for ILS Landings etc. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear-0.9.6 build errors
Without looking too closely, have you built all the pieces (openal, plib, simgear, flightgear) with the same version of the compiler? Occasionally if you upgrade your compiler, it can change the munging scheme and then newly compiled code can't link properly with older compiled code and you can get a ton of undefined references ... Curt. Sid Boyce wrote: Any ideas? /usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:660: undefined reference to `std::__default_alloc_template(bool)1, (int)0::_S_free_list' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13SGMetarRunwayESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_+0x8e):/usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:657: undefined reference to `std::__default_alloc_template(bool)1, (int)0::_S_node_allocator_lock' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13SGMetarRunwayESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_+0x9d): In function `std::_Rb_treestd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar , std::pairstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const, SGMetarRunway, std::_Select1ststd::pairstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const, SGMetarRunway , std::lessstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar , std::allocatorstd::pairstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const, SGMetarRunway ::_M_create_node(std::pairstd::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const, SGMetarRunway const)': /usr/include/g++/bits/stl_iterator.h:735: undefined reference to `std::__default_alloc_template(bool)1, (int)0::_S_node_allocator_lock' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_EPKS3_RKS6_+0x1c): In function `std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar std::operator+char, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar (char const*, std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const)': /usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:1039: undefined reference to `std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar ::_S_empty_rep_storage' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgenvironment.a(metar.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_EPKS3_RKS6_+0x26):/usr/include/g++/bits/stl_tree.h:235: undefined reference to `std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar ::_S_empty_rep_storage' /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../libsgdebug.a(logstream.o)(.gnu.linkonce.r._ZTV6logbuf+0x18):/ftp/oct04/SimGear-0.3.7/simgear/debug/logstream.hxx:176: undefined reference to `std::basic_streambufchar, std::char_traitschar ::seekoff(long, std::_Ios_Seekdir, std::_Ios_Openmode)' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [metar] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/FlightGear-0.9.6/src/Main' make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/FlightGear-0.9.6/src' make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 === ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-threads --with-simgear=/usr --with-plib=/usr --build=athlon --sysconfdir=/etc --mandir=/usr/share/man --includedir=/usr/include plib-1.8.4-1, SimGear-0.3.7 and latest openal. Regards Sid. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Linux Flight Joystick / Controller ?
On Saturday, 16 October 2004 19:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone on a Linux System have a suggestion for the best Joystick or Flight Controller to purchase ? and is there linux software to interact with it ? I'm using a Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro joystick and I'm quite happy with the way it works under Linux. The twist grip works well even with the 172's p-factor. (I can maintain runway center line and climb out wings level.) I've got the game port version but the newer USB one's should work just fine. The game port version required a couple of minor configuration changes and two modules to be loaded but the USB one will probably be plug and play with a modern Linux distro. USB hot plugging seems to be part of all the new distros nowdays so it's actually getting easier to use USB devices nowdays. I think the CH products yokes and pedals also work under Linux but I haven't verified that myself yet. Paul ___ Flightgear-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
