Re: [fonc] Task management in a world without apps.

2013-11-04 Thread karl ramberg
language today, we wouldn't use Squeak or any other Smalltalk as a model or a starting place. Cheers, Alan -- *From:* karl ramberg karlramb...@gmail.com *To:* Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org *Sent:* Sunday, November

Re: [fonc] Task management in a world without apps.

2013-11-03 Thread karl ramberg
One issue with the instance development in Squeak is that it is quite fragile. It is easy to pull the building blocks apart and it all falls down like a house of cards. It's currently hard to work on different parts and individually version them independent of the rest of the system. All parts

Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?

2013-09-03 Thread karl ramberg
So what will computing be in a hundred years? Will we still painstakingly construct systems with a keyboard interface one letter at a time ? And what systems will we use ? And for what ? Will we use computers for slashing virtual fruits and post images of our breakfast on Facebook version 1000,2

[fonc] New Bret Victor demos

2013-05-29 Thread karl ramberg
Bret Victor have made available some nice demonstrations of uses of a _very_ Frank like system. In one he is visualizing Gezira and Nile by Dan Amelang http://worrydream.com/#!/MediaForThinkingTheUnthinkable http://worrydream.com/#!/DrawingDynamicVisualizationsTalk

Re: [fonc] New Bret Victor demos

2013-05-29 Thread karl ramberg
...@acm.orgwrote: On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:59 AM, karl ramberg karlramb...@gmail.com wrote: Bret Victor have made available some nice demonstrations of uses of a _very_ Frank like system. In one he is visualizing Gezira and Nile by Dan Amelang http://worrydream.com

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-06 Thread karl ramberg
! Karl On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.comwrote: Most likely your personal skills at natural language are insufficient to understand Revelation in the Bible, like mine were until I spent lots of time learning. Now I can predict the current Pope Francis will

Re: [fonc] Behavior reuse through copy and paste between applications.

2013-04-02 Thread karl ramberg
I guess you have to define the behavior and what purpose it should have before one can say it makes sense to apply it in an other context. Karl On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 6:27 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki.ohsh...@acm.orgwrote: On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:10 PM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com

Re: [fonc] Gezira Plugin for SqueakVM was Re: Final STEP progress report?

2012-11-21 Thread karl ramberg
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 2012-11-19, at 20:26, karl ramberg karlramb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Cyril Hansen cyril.han...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As an engineer / hobbyist, I have been waiting for the final

Re: [fonc] How it is

2012-10-03 Thread karl ramberg
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Loup Vaillant l...@loup-vaillant.fr wrote: Miles Fidelman a écrit : Loup Vaillant wrote: De : Paul Homer paul_ho...@yahoo.ca If instead, programmers just built little pieces, and it was the computer itself that was responsible for assembling it all together

Re: [fonc] Everything You Know (about Parallel Programming) Is Wrong!: A Wild Screed about the Future

2012-03-27 Thread karl ramberg
Slides/pdf: http://www.dynamic-languages-symposium.org/dls-11/program/media/Ungar_2011_EverythingYouKnowAboutParallelProgrammingIsWrongAWildScreedAboutTheFuture_Dls.pdf Karl On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Craig Latta cr...@netjam.org wrote: Hi-- Was the talk recorded? thanks,

Re: [fonc] Inspired 3D Worlds

2012-01-17 Thread karl ramberg
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:31 AM, BGB cr88...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/16/2012 6:47 PM, Casey Ransberger wrote: Top post. Heightmapping can go a really long way. Probably not news though:) I am still not certain, since a lot of this has a lot more to do with my own project than with general

Re: [fonc] History of computing talks at SJSU

2011-12-20 Thread karl ramberg
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Steve Dekorte st...@dekorte.com wrote: On 2011-12-20 Tue, at 11:55 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:50:36AM -0800, Steve Dekorte wrote: Could you describe how more compute power helps you write the app I described faster? It is a

Re: [fonc] History of computing talks at SJSU

2011-12-16 Thread karl ramberg
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. je...@merlintec.comwrote: Karl Ramberg wrote: One of Alans points in his talk is that students should be using bleeding edge hardware, not just regular laptops. I think he is right for some part but he also recollected the Joss

Re: [fonc] History of computing talks at SJSU

2011-12-14 Thread karl ramberg
One of Alans points in his talk is that students should be using bleeding edge hardware, not just regular laptops. I think he is right for some part but he also recollected the Joss environment which was done on a machine about to be scraped. Some research and development does not need the

[fonc] IBM eyes brain-like computing

2011-10-14 Thread karl ramberg
Interesting article : http://www.itnews.com.au/News/276700,ibm-eyes-brain-like-computing.aspx Not much details, but the what they envisions seems to be more of the character a autonomic system that can be quarried for answers, not programmed like today's computers. Karl

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-18 Thread karl ramberg
-- *From:* karl ramberg karlramb...@gmail.com *To:* Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org *Sent:* Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk Hi, Just reading a Lisp book my self. Lisp seems to be very pure at the bottom

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-18 Thread karl ramberg
, 2011, at 12:00 PM, karl ramberg wrote: Hi, Just reading a Lisp book my self. Lisp seems to be very pure at the bottom level. The nesting in p*arentheses* are hard to read and comprehend / debug. Things get not so pretty when all sorts of DSL are made to make it more powerful. The REPL give

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-18 Thread karl ramberg
/Committees_Paper.html Any organization that designs a system (defined broadly) will produce a design whose structure is a copy of the organization's communication structure. It's been called Conway's Law. cheers, -David On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:35 AM, karl ramberg wrote: The fact that a very powerful idea

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread karl ramberg
Hi, Just reading a Lisp book my self. Lisp seems to be very pure at the bottom level. The nesting in p*arentheses* are hard to read and comprehend / debug. Things get not so pretty when all sorts of DSL are made to make it more powerful. The REPL give it a kind of wing clipped aura; there is more

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-18 Thread karl ramberg
He he Karl On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: What the one-celled microbes said before the Cambrian ... -- *From:* karl ramberg karlramb...@gmail.com *To:* Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org *Sent:* Sun, July 17

[fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread karl ramberg
Hi Here is a interesting video about programming languages http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/agile-testing/bobs-last-language Karl ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread karl ramberg
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Craig Latta cr...@netjam.org wrote: That talk would have been a whole lot better if he had grounded it with a discussion of how constraints are good for creativity. It's how he should have spent the time where he went on about memorizing Pi for no good

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-07-11 Thread karl ramberg
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:23 PM, John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: It would be great if everyone on this list would think deeply about how to have an eternal system, and only be amplified by it. For example,

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-07-11 Thread karl ramberg
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:57 PM, John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:43 PM, karl ramberg karlramb...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:23 PM, John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.comwrote: Much interesting Thanks Karl On Mon, Jun 13, 2011

Re: [fonc] Logo and Silicon

2011-06-14 Thread karl ramberg
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. je...@merlintec.comwrote: Karl, Here is one proposed to be buildt in Squeak http://www.computer.org/comp/proceedings/c5/2003/1975/00/19750120.pdf Thanks for the link! It looks nice. I am currently helping out with an undergraduate

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-06-13 Thread karl ramberg
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.netwrote: I wrote this without reading the very latest http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011001_final_worlds.pdf so if I say anything that is obviously missing that understanding, please bear with me :) I'll read it shortly. I got

Re: [fonc] Reading Maxwell's Equations

2010-03-02 Thread Karl Ramberg
Dan Amelang skrev 2010-02-28 23:38: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Reuben Thomasr...@sc3d.org wrote: Think of a software project as like Plato's model of the soul as a charioteer with two horses, one immortal and one mortal, only without the goal of reaching heaven. The mortal horse is