RE: handling patches

2002-11-04 Thread Keiron Liddle
On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 21:31, Victor Mote wrote: I agree that maintenance branches are not obliged to be merged eventually, but you still have not shown any benefit to keeping them in the same tree if they are not. Usual development pattern would also be that someone makes sure that new

RE: handling patches (how about fop 2)

2002-11-04 Thread Matthew L. Avizinis
, November 02, 2002 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: handling patches (how about fop 2) Oleg Tkachenko wrote: and contributors efforts. Maintenance branch, as you correctly noted, is in production at many sites therefore making it a project on its own will lead to a strengthening

RE: handling patches

2002-11-02 Thread Victor Mote
Keiron Liddle wrote: Actually projects like mozilla have branches for maintanence but the key is that they are short lived, this didn't work out like that. I don't know this, but I'll bet that the maintenance branch that you refer to here is for bug fixes, while the main development line

RE: handling patches

2002-11-02 Thread Victor Mote
Victor Mote wrote: If it is not feasible to unify significant portions of the two branches, either by switching them in the repository or by putting them into one branch, then I propose that we clarify our terminology by using the term rewrite instead of redesign. This would signal that we

Re: handling patches (how about fop 2)

2002-11-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Saturday 02 November 2002 10:35, Victor Mote wrote: . . .I would also recommend that, in the above case, we actually put the code into two different projects. . . . +1, I like the idea. How about moving the new code (HEAD) to a separate (xml-fop2) CVS project to clarify things, and maybe

Re: handling patches

2002-11-02 Thread Peter B. West
Victor, Keiron has responded to specifics, so I will make a couple of general points below... Victor Mote wrote: ... I realize that I am jumping into this conversation in the middle. I am ignorant of the history of how we got where we are, so **please** understand that I am not being

Re: handling patches (how about fop 2)

2002-11-02 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: How about moving the new code (HEAD) to a separate (xml-fop2) CVS project to clarify things, and maybe name the new version fop 2 instead of 1.0x? Although the current version is 0.20.x, it *is* used in production at a number of sites, so going directly to version

Re: handling patches

2002-11-02 Thread Peter B. West
Victor, ... Victor Mote wrote: Victor Mote wrote: If it is not feasible to unify significant portions of the two branches, either by switching them in the repository or by putting them into one branch, then I propose that we clarify our terminology by using the term rewrite instead of

RE: handling patches

2002-11-02 Thread Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote: (Aside: I disagree with the only model that seems to work bit. Not everyone has a short attention span.) Well, there is probably a reason that I see you frequently checking code into the repository. Even when I am working with code that is torn apart and spread out all

RE: handling patches

2002-11-02 Thread Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote: Victor Mote wrote: Victor Mote wrote: If it is not feasible to unify significant portions of the two branches, either by switching them in the repository or by putting them into one branch, then I propose that we clarify our terminology by using the term rewrite

RE: handling patches (how about fop 2)

2002-11-02 Thread Victor Mote
Oleg Tkachenko wrote: and contributors efforts. Maintenance branch, as you correctly noted, is in production at many sites therefore making it a project on its own will lead to a strengthening of its meaning and this way we'll encourage many existing and future contributors to work on it,

Re: handling patches

2002-11-02 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Victor Mote wrote: Branches imply eventual merging, Not necessarily. I'll be happy to consider this point if someone will name even one benefit to keeping code that will never be merged in the same tree. Well, the main idea of branches is just to split development, e.g. for the sake of

Re: handling patches

2002-11-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 01 November 2002 16:51, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . .Maybe the simplest is to move the old layout to the trunk, get that working and put the new layout in a branch. But it needs to be agreed upon. . . . It would be great if the layout engine could be factored out as a component with a

Re: handling patches (how about fop 2)

2002-11-02 Thread Ralph LaChance
Oooh - an inspired idea. At 06:24 AM 11/2/02, you wrote: On Saturday 02 November 2002 10:35, Victor Mote wrote: . . .I would also recommend that, in the above case, we actually put the code into two different projects. . . . +1, I like the idea. How about moving the new code (HEAD) to a

Re: handling patches

2002-11-02 Thread Peter B. West
Victor Mote wrote: Oleg Tkachenko wrote: Victor Mote wrote: Branches imply eventual merging, Not necessarily. I'll be happy to consider this point if someone will name even one benefit to keeping code that will never be merged in the same tree. Well, the main idea of branches is

RE: handling patches

2002-11-02 Thread Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote: If you took offence from the short attention span comment, I am sorry. No such offence was intended. The comment concerns the general approach to development that you mentioned. No offence taken I am sure none was intended. Victor Mote

RE: handling patches

2002-11-01 Thread Keiron Liddle
Hi Victor, I'm lost for ideas. I'm getting the feeling that this project is simply too large for this situation. Which is why I want the effort to be focused and not wasting time sorting out things that don't get us anywhere. On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 20:30, Victor Mote wrote: I realize that I am

Re: handling patches

2002-11-01 Thread Peter B. West
Keiron Liddle wrote: Hi Victor, I'm lost for ideas. I'm getting the feeling that this project is simply too large for this situation. Which is why I want the effort to be focused and not wasting time sorting out things that don't get us anywhere. It's a big task. Tangentially speaking, I

Re: handling patches

2002-10-31 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Hi Keiron Are you referring to the work still being done on the maintenance branch as a whole? I see that we're facing reality here. You know I'm a strong supporter of the redesign even if I can't spend a lot of effort on it ATM. But even I am confronted again with the wishes of my employer to

RE: handling patches

2002-10-31 Thread Victor Mote
Jeremias Maerki wrote: ... ATM. But even I am confronted again with the wishes of my employer to ... of times that this will be a lost effort. But the fact that we currently can't bring together enough manpower to make a 1.0 developer release a reality soon gets in the way again. I think

handling patches

2002-10-30 Thread Keiron Liddle
Hi All, Since we now have some patches lining up in bugzilla I was wondering how/who these should be handled. Victor how do you suggest that we approach this, what do you see hapenning. And of course the other issue, where are these patches eventually leading to. What I want is that this