Peter,
it's ok if you make other people aware of your project but the way you
did that in your last post disturbs me. We know that you disagree with
FOP's approach, but I would have preferred a more constructive form of
making Mark aware of Defoe. Maybe I'm overreacting...
On 17.01.2005 06:01:27
to
solve the large files problem, and I'm sure he will present you with a
swag of patches to do just that at some time in the future. I just hope
he doesn't do it so soon as to render Defoe moot. One of its underlying
features will be what is effectively a stream parsing mechanism. It's
in the future. I just hope
he doesn't do it so soon as to render Defoe moot. One of its underlying
features will be what is effectively a stream parsing mechanism. It's
acceptance, which I take to be a fait accompli, there being no other
design contenders, will be particularly galling
in the same way you promoted Defoe, it
might've taken a bit of the tone down (I don't know--you didn't mention
FOray so I don't *know* how it would've come off).
In any case, as I suspect is true for with the rest of the FOP team, I
am grateful to your continued contributions to the FOP project
(Don't let Peter rattle you, Jeremias--he's just
jealous that I've found more XSL spec bugs than him.
;)
Our delays are mostly related to advanced issues
concerning layout, and the type of parser used doesn't
have much effect on this issue. So I don't share
Peter's conviction that FOP is in
on this issue.
Time will tell.
So I don't share
Peter's conviction that FOP is in need of a major
design overhaul--or that Defoe's layout is as complete
as it needs to be either, for the matter.
There is no Defoe layout ... yet...
Both sides
have a lot of work to do.
...so yes, there is a lot of work
Peter B. West wrote:
I've started a blog as a diary of Defoe development and, at
the moment, my learning experiences with Java 5.0, especially
Typesafe Enums and Generics. If you drop in there from time
to time, you can see what I am up to. Have you considered
one for FOray?
I
I think it would be helpful for you both to include an 'examples'
section on your site to display the fruits of your labor (w links to
the FOs that generated them!).
On Oct 29, 2004, at 5:02 AM, Victor Mote wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:
I've started a blog as a diary of Defoe development
Clay Leeds wrote:
I think it would be helpful for you both to include an 'examples'
section on your site to display the fruits of your labor (w
links to the FOs that generated them!).
That is a good idea. The FOray web site started out thinking of itself as an
extension of the FOP website
B.
West on the alt.design portion of FOP. With the possibility of Peter
moving on to work with Defoe, I just wanted to thank you personally,
Peter, for your hard work and always welcome (IMHO) contributions.
Glen's lead off below (jokingly 'not waiting until the body is cold...'
as it were
Clay,
Thanks for the comments. I would be interested to see the alt-design
doco running under the new Forrest regime before it is removed, because
I would like to take advantage of your hard work in coming to terms with
Forrest. It was difficult to get the documentation working in the
I'd be happy to help out! Of course, since it appears to be moving
anyway, it might be easier for me to move your documentation to a new
forrest install and go from there. Either way, I'm happy to do what I
can. (IOW pile it on! :-p)
Web Maestro Clay
On Oct 28, 2004, at 2:00 PM, Peter B. West
Thanks Clay. Please disregard deeply unworthy comment on a previous
message.
Peter
Clay Leeds wrote:
I'd be happy to help out! Of course, since it appears to be moving
anyway, it might be easier for me to move your documentation to a new
forrest install and go from there. Either way, I'm happy
--- Clay Leeds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking for myself, I want to be clear that I (and
I assume others)
feel very fortunate to have had the benefit of the
work of Peter B.
West on the alt.design portion of FOP. With the
possibility of Peter
moving on to work with Defoe, I just
moving on to work with Defoe, I just wanted to thank
you personally,
Peter, for your hard work and always welcome (IMHO)
contributions.
Me too. Remember, I nominated and voted for Peter
West for XML Graphics chair. I thought he would have
represented XML Graphics quite well.
I forgot about that. Thanks
Peter:
I too wish you the best of luck with Defoe and with whatever your future FOP
involvement may be. One of my motivations with the modularization work was
to make room for the competing ideas, mostly yours, to share what could be
shared. This may help explain my frustration at your opposition
Victor,
Thank you for the compliments. It's interesting to see the development
of a multiple approaches, and the strength with which differing views
are held.
I've started a blog as a diary of Defoe development and, at the moment,
my learning experiences with Java 5.0, especially Typesafe
Best of luck with Defoe!
And, ummm, if you could pardon me for not waiting
until the body is cold (Well
OK...98.3...98.1...97.9--there! Practically an ice
cube now... ;), I think we should have the Alt-Design
tab moved off the FOP website and on to Defoe's, and
place a link instead on our
Fops,
I originally thought I was replying to an offline message here. Hence
the unusual tone.
Peter
Peter B. West wrote:
Finn,
No, it hasn't been made yet.
...
Finn Bock wrote:
Hi Peter,
Did I miss the announcement?
http://defoe.sourceforge.net/
regards,
finn
Hi Peter,
Did I miss the announcement?
http://defoe.sourceforge.net/
regards,
finn
://www.livejournal.com/users/pbw/, but have not had time to bring
the alt-design documentation across. NetBeans 4.0beta is still pretty
raw, but apart from the evaluation version of JBuilder 2005, it's the
only freebie that supports 1.5, so I'm running off CVS versions of that
for now.
I've mentioned Defoe
Fopsters,
While I haven't wanted to make a fuss about it at this stage, given
Finn's question, I guess it's time to let you guys (and Karen ?)
formally know that I am in the process of setting up project Defoe on
SourceForge. http://defoe.sourceforge.net/
It's alt-design under another name
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