Reportix?
Hi folks, does anyone have any experience of the Reportix system from Finetix. It seems to be a collection of OSS tools including FOP for report generation? Cheers Alex McLintock - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xsl:fo & word
At 15:49 16/07/03 +0200, you wrote: Hello to all! i'm trying to convert a large ms word 2000 file to xsl:fo. Are there any converters available? I don't want to type everything again, and i also want to keep the existing text format. OK, Here is what I suggest based on an educated guess. You probably want to convert the MS Word document to some XML format such as OpenOffice or MS Office 11 (I think that is right - I don't know much about MS Office). If you can read the document in OpenOffice and save it as an OpenOffice document then you can open up the document with a zip tool to see that it is in fact several XML files inside. One of these XML files is important and contains most of the data. You might be able to take the data and use XSLT to convert it to xsl:fo (or preferably an intermediate XML format). I doubt you will get the XSL:FO to look identical to the MS Word document. The important point here is that you probably need different bits of the Open Office document to be defined with different user-defined styles because these names will appear in the XML and can be used when you do the XSLT transformation. Feel free to email me off list if you need more of a hand. Alex McLintock - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OpenOffice and fop
Hi folks, I have been looking at using Open Office as a crude XML editor for people used to Wordprocessors. It generates a bunch of XML files all zipped up. Anyway the XML generated has some fields which look surprisingly like "FO". Has anyone looked at this and seen whether this would work well with FO? Presumably we would still need a stylesheet which converts the OpenOffice format to XSL:FO but much of the work regarding layout has already been done. Alex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Large XML Files and FOP: Out of Memory Exception
At 12:21 25/06/03 +0200, Meier Reto wrote: hi all, i'm trying to use large xml file to create a tabel in pdf format. the xml contains about 40'000 nodes: abaqq 8zcyx abaqz 0 i tried to use the example xml2pdf or i implemented a version obj2pdf. but always there is a out of memory exception. I've been out of the FOP loop for some time so my advice may be a bit out of date. I am assuming that you are using SAX and not DOM to suck up the XML. Are you able to generate an fo file? You need to come up a stylesheet which doesn;t put things in a big table but tries to output each item as it is finished. For instance can you try to put each item into a flow byitself? or a page by itself? (Does that make sense?) Goodluck Alex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Performance issue XSL:FO
Hello,
Line 21 does pretty much all the processing here so you are basically
asking why FOP is so slow.
It isn't that slow when you consider how much work it has to do.
There are a *few* things you can look at to speed things up. Look through
the documentation, mailing list archives, and FAQs for tuning and optimisation.
However it may be worth paying someone to help with the FOP redesign :-)
Other professional XSL:FO processors may be a bit faster in some
circumstances
Feel free to send me private email if you want to discuss this off list.
Alex McLintock
At 19:34 23/12/02, Lee, Insoo wrote:
> Hello, not sure if this question is appropriate for this email list, but
> could somebody comment on following approach?
>
> I'm generating XML on the fly from a servlet (line# 9 - using jdom,
> reading from database) and after reading static XSL (line#7), I use
> transformer to do XSL:FO translation (line#21). However line#21 seems to
> be taking awfully long about 5 minutes for 1500 rows of records...
> Is there anyway to improve the performance? Thanks for your input in
> advance
>
>
> 1)if( "pdf".equals( contentType ))
> 2){
> 3)Driver driver = new Driver();
> 4)driver.setOutputStream(response.getOutputStream());
> 5)driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_PDF);
> 6)Transformer transformer=TransformerFactory.newInstance()
> 7).newTransformer(new StreamSource(
> "http://myserver.com:8881/fd/xml/rates_pdf.xsl"; ));
> 8)
> 9) URL url = new URL(
> "http://myserver.com:8881/sp/xmlBuilder"; );
> 10)
> 11)InputSource source = new InputSource(
> url.openStream());
> 12)DOMParser parser = new DOMParser();
> 13)parser.parse( source );
> 14)Document doc = parser.getDocument();
> 15)DOMSource inXML = new DOMSource( doc );
> 16)
> 17)
> 18)System.out.println( "*** start
> timing for XML-XSL:FO translation" );
> 19)long t1 = System.currentTimeMillis();
> 20)
> 21)transformer.transform( inXML, new SAXResult(
> driver.getContentHandler()));
> 22)
> 23)long t2 = System.currentTimeMillis();
> 24)System.out.println( "*** time
> delta for XML-XSL:FO translation: " + ( t2 - t1 ) + " ms" );
> 25) }
>
>
>
>
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Re: Draw Lines between Images..
http://www.owal.co.uk/cgi-bin/fopfaq.cgi#__928 Where can I find out about SVG? (Scalable Vector Graphics) The W3C website is the official place for finding out about SVG http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ http://www.adobe.com/svg/tutorial/intro.html At 11:49 23/12/02, Prasanna C wrote: I will be happy if u could let me know the api's/libraries which can be used to create an SVG image out of other images/lines and stuffs like that. Available for java/perl/C++/web development in London, UK or nearby. Apache FOP, Cocoon, Turbine, Struts,XSL:FO, XML, Tomcat, First meeting free.http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draw Lines between Images..
Yep, That is what I meant. You are basically creating a big vector graphic with several bitmap images inside it. Once you have the SVG you can either serve it directly if your clients have the SVG plugin (unlikely) or embed it inside XSL:FO If you look at the specs for XSL:FO they mostly talk about rectangular blocks of text rather than drawing lines. Alex At 11:20 23/12/02, Prasanna C wrote: I donno abc of SVG. Is it possible with SVG ? So do u mean to say that first we have to generate the SVG image which contains all the images we have in our flow chart .Then we have to load that single big image(SVG) to our docuemnt(pdf). Is it like this ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draw Lines between Images..
At 11:05 23/12/02, Pras wrote: Hi, Can the lines be represented between the images. Say for example I have a flow chart which has many images and lines(connectors between them), will I be able to represent and generate in PDF using Apache FOP? That sounds to me like you want to create a big SVG image of your flowchart. So do you know SVG? Alex Available for java/perl/C++/web development in London, UK or nearby. Apache FOP, Cocoon, Turbine, Struts,XSL:FO, XML, Tomcat, First meeting free.http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Document security of PDFs
At 16:34 09/12/02, Oscar Schoof wrote: My question is: can i get pfd documents with fop in which the security-properties are more tight, say at least "changing the document" set to "not allowed"? I believe that if you want properly secure PDF files then you need to do that using a third party tool which adds the security after FOP has generated the file. I am sure one or two have been mentioned on this list. Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London. Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Open Source Software Companies please register here http://www.OWAL.co.uk/oss_support/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimum System Requirements
At 03:30 05/12/02, Dee Runacres\(Hotmail\) wrote: Can you please advise me on the minimum system requirements to run FOP on HPUX. A system which can run Java, has lots of spare memory, and has XWindows installed, or a fake XWindows. What exactly do you need to know? Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London. Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Open Source Software Companies please register here http://www.OWAL.co.uk/oss_support/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FOP fails on Linux, but not on Windows
At 09:52 03/12/02, Kevin Flynn wrote: Hi, I have a document that causes FOP to fail when run on our Linux build system, but works OK on my Windows machine. We use FOP 0.20.4 on both machines. It fails with the following errors: [java] Exception in thread "main" java.lang.InternalError: Can't connect to X11 window server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable. Isn't that self explanatory? Oh well. Java (and in particular Batik) uses the XWindows engine to do some graphics processing. In essence FOP is trying to talk to XWindows and can't, presumably because it isn't running at all. You can either run an XWindows server, or a cut-down XWindows server. If you are using JDK1.4 you might be able to tell it that you are running without XWindows. http://www.owal.co.uk/cgi-bin/fopfaq.cgi#__960 Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London. Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Open Source Software Companies please register here http://www.OWAL.co.uk/oss_support/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need help:converting xml => fo => pdf
At 18:56 02/12/02, ANIL B G wrote: Is there any simple way to convert file.xml to file.fo ?? Is there any tool that does this job or do I need to write my own Java parser for converting file.xml to file.fo Hello Anil, There is no automatic way of converting some XML to FO because no computer program can magically come up with the way that *you* want it printed out. You have to give it some help as to how to display the XML. Remember that file.fo is in XML format too. You don't have to write any Java to convert one XML format to another XML format if you don't want to. You can use a technology called XSLT. (Or XSL depending on how picky you want to be). This basically has (XML) scripts which say "when you see this sort of XML tag, output that sort of XML". So for the most part you would take your XML as input, and output the equivalant XSL:FO type output. Since FOP already uses an XSLT engine (Xalan by default) you can just tell it "take this XML file as input, and use this XSLT file to transform it, and output PDF", but you can output the .fo file too if you want. If possible when asking this sort of question please say what documentation you have already read, because this sort of information should be in there already. Thanks and goodluck Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London. Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Open Source Software Companies please register here http://www.OWAL.co.uk/oss_support/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XSL-FO book
Hi folks, I don't remember mentioning this, but I have a review copy of O'Reilly's XSL:FO book. Since I will be reviewing it for http://news.DiverseBooks.com/ and posting the review here too, does anyone have any questions for me that they want me to answer? Cheers Alex McLintock Openweb Analysts Ltd, London. Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Open Source Software Companies please register here http://www.OWAL.co.uk/oss_support/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HTML+CSS -> XSL:FO
Sorry for asking a question which I know is already in my FAQ but I have a colleague who needs to render HTML *with* CSS to PDF. I am wondering whether we have anything like a web browser which outputs XSL:FO yet. Does anyone use one? My instant reaction is to say convert to XML instead of HTML, but the data is already in HTML and the CSS is important. Maybe we should enhance the Mozilla rendering engine to output XSL:FO ? Alex PS http://www.OWAL.co.uk/cgi-bin/fopfaq.cgi Openweb Analysts Ltd, London. Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Open Source Software Companies please register here http://www.OWAL.co.uk/oss_support/
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] FOP 0.20.4 Release Candidate available
At 12:47 30/06/02, you wrote: This question is becoming an FAQ. FOP is being redesigned to allow a good implementation of all the missing functionality for XSL:FO. We can't tell when full keep-with functionality is going to be available. I have my old FOP FAQ here http://www.owal.co.uk/cgi-bin/fopfaq.cgi but it looked like someone else was producing a new one. Should I keep updating my old FAQ? Cheers Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London: Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software.
Re: PDF to FO decompiler
At 15:08 22/06/02, Argyn Kuketayev wrote: is there a tool to decompile PDF file into FO? Argyn, Unfortunately this is not possible in a totally generic way. FOP is not a page description language in the sense that it can describe every possible PDF page. The nearest you can do is to try to extract either the text or the graphics from the PDF and incorporate these in an FO which you develop. If you want PDF manipulation tools you might want to look at iText (Details in the FAQ or these archives, or google). Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London: Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software.
Re: fop user : AWT problem
Hello Denis,
I suggest that you ask this sort of question on the fop-user mailing list.
Please join it.
I have copied it to them to see if anyone can help.
What diagnosis have you tried? What version of fop are you using? Does it
work with any other renderer - eg to PDF?
What operating system?
Alex
At 17:19 22/05/2002, Trompette Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I try to make an example using FOP which takes a XML and a XSL files in
entry and build a AWT output.
All seems to work but the awt frame doesn't appear; my code is the following
coul you help me please.
Driver monDriver = new Driver();
setMonLogger(monDriver);
InputHandler inputHandler = new XSLTInputHandler(new File(inputFile),
new File(xslInputFile));
XMLReader parser = inputHandler.getParser();
monDriver.setInputSource(inputHandler.getInputSource());
Translator resource = getMyResourceBundle("en"); // en :english language
monDriver.setRenderer(new AWTRenderer(resource));
monDriver.render(parser,inputHandler.getInputSource());
The trace is the following:
..
DEBUG 10220 [fop ] (): area contents overflows area
DEBUG 10220 [fop ] (): area contents overflows area
DEBUG 10220 [fop ] (): Last page-sequence produced 38 pages.
INFO10220 [fop ] (): Parsing of document complete, stopping
renderer
DEBUG 10220 [fop ] (): Initial heap size: 21222Kb
DEBUG 10220 [fop ] (): Current heap size: 22504Kb
DEBUG 10220 [fop ] (): Total memory used: 1281Kb
DEBUG 10220 [fop ] (): Memory use is indicative; no GC was
performed
DEBUG 10220 [fop ] (): These figures should not be used
comparatively
DEBUG 10220 [fop ] (): Total time used: 42469ms
DEBUG 10220 [fop ] (): Pages rendererd: 38
DEBUG 10220 [fop ] (): Avg render time: 1117ms/page
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Schema to XSL:FO
Has anyone produced a stylesheet which takes an XML schema and converts it into XSL:FO for pretty printing perhaps via SVG? Rather than use Visio to document my xml fragment examples I think it would be best if I could produce a diagram from the schema itself. Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London: Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software.
Re: HTM Sevlet
Hello,
I'm not sure what you are asking but I think you ought to investigate Cocoon.
Cocoon is a general purpose web application (ie servlet :-) which uses
Apache XML and XSL technology including FOP to generate html or PDF on
demand from XML source.
Alex
At 11:31 10/05/2002, Balaji Loganathan wrote:
Hi,
I tried FopServlet example and its works fine for
PDF.
Is it possible to do the same for HTML that is
http://servername/servlet/FopServlet?xml=data.xml&xsl=format.xsl&dummy=test.html
,I tried to change the code of FopServlet like
..
response.setContentType("text/html");
Driver driver = new Driver(foFile, out);
driver.setLogger(log);
driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_TXT);
...
But I'm getting unknown formaating object HTML as
error.
Have any one tried it? Basically I want to convert
XML to PDF or HTML using servlets.Do I have to write
my own code,or is there out something.
Please comments.
Regards
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Re: Why is FO(P) a superior model than what most proprietary tools propose
On Monday 29 April 2002 13:51, someone wrote: > Thank you for all these good ideas. Would anyone happen to know of an > industry analyst study on the advantages of XSL FO ? > This is to lend some credibility to my recommendation. At 05:18 30/04/2002, John Austin wrote: All of those Open Source developers out there have become a more efficient team than Microsoft or anyone else can ever assemble. IBM, Sun and a few others seem to have realized this. I think I agree with John's sentiment, if not his exact phrasing. I'm trying to either a) create my own XML publishing system with Cocoon, FOP, Tomcat, XIndice, etc and market it myself under my own product name - not mentioning Apache or b) try to get enough people in the UK to support Cocoon, FOP, Tomcat, XIndice, so that we can put this software into big businesses and they wont get nervous about lack of support. I don't know about an industry analysts study of XSL:FO but we ought to be able to come up with case studies for people who have successfully used FOP. Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London: Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software.
Re: Why is FO(P) a superior model than what most proprietary tools propose
At 17:03 29/04/2002, you wrote: Consider that once you data is in XML you can use that same data to produce PDF, HTML VoiceML (for you automated telephone system) or SVG graphical representation of the data by just changing the stylesheet using XSLT. No need to have multiple unsynced data sources for your different output requirements Isn't this the virtue of XSLT rather than XSL FO ? XSL:FO *is* XSLT ! One is part of the other and not totally separate! Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London: Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software.
Re: Using FOP to create a query string from XML and XSL
At 14:39 16/04/2002, Ian Taylor wrote: Is it possible to create a query string using FOP? I have been producing PDF's using the FileOutputStream which is working well. Do I just use a different OuputStream to create a query string that can be used to query a database? Thanks You'll forgive me for suggesting that you are a bit confused, I sure am. FOP creates page descriptions suitable for printing eg PDF, RTF, or other more exotic formats. I can't see any reason for the output of FOP to be used for a query string. Do you perhaps mean the output of Xalan (the XSLT engine)? If so then perhaps an XSL or Xalan mailing list may be more appropriate. You will need to give a better explanation of what you need (and what you already understand) before people will be able to help you. Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London: Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software.
Re: Several questions about FOP
At 14:29 16/04/2002, Sebastian H. Will wrote: Hi all, i've got several questions about PDF generation with FOP. We want to use a open-source implementation of XSL-FO in our project, but stumbled across several open topics. Perhaps you can help us with these: 1) Can one use FOP on a host-environment, ie. IBM mainframe computers, or does EBCDIC somehow cause problems In my year and a half of using FOP I have heard of several people with problems using EBCDIC and nothing much recently. Maybe they stopped using FOP or maybe they have no problems. You will probably have to suck it and see. 3) Is linearilazation possible, ie. displaying the first page while loading the rest? In Acrobat Reader, this can be queried in the "File- >Document Info->General->Optimized = true|false" I think this is possible but I don't know whether I recommend it. If you generate on the fly then you will innevitably hit issues regarding Content Length and IE resulting in you generating the whole PDF before serving any of it at all. Is "linearilazation" a property of the PDF, the reader, or the thing serving the PDF? 4) How well does FOP perform in comparision to other XSL-FO implementations? FOP's strength is not really in its speed or memory use. It performs reasonably when compared to other engines (so I am told) but other commercial xsl:fo engines may be faster for what you need to do. Goodluck Alex McLintock Openweb Analysts Ltd, London: Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software.
Re: FOP Update in Cocoon?
At 15:53 12/03/02, Skladov, Victor wrote: > Can anybody tell me whether it is possible to update FOP Version in > Cocoon without downloading the new version of Cocoon itself? > At the moment I'm using Cocoon2 and all FO archives stand in WEB-INF/lib > directory. I'm trying to figure this out myself and sadly due to the odd API change and XSL:FO spec change not all versions of Cocoon2 work with all versions of FOP. The solution is to try updating your FOP.jar (and related jars) and see if it still goes through your test suite. (You do have a test suite don't you :-) I currently have Cocoon2.0.rc2 installed on an NT 4 box in Tomcat 4.x and unfortunately the FOP which comes with it does not work in this configuration. Feel free to email me off list if you want further help. Alex
Re: merging two libraries
At 08:27 12/03/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, > I'm not familiar with FOP, but I can't help noticing > that people are moving from FOP to iText and vice versa. > As original developer of iText, a JAVA-PDF library, I already > proposed you guys at Apache twice to join forces and to combine > both libraries. I now subscribe to this mailing list only to > ask you a third time to reconsider your refusal. Bruno - Relax! Your antagonistic attitude does you no service. I've been trying to look after the FOP FAQ for nearly a year now and although I was aware of your software I had no knowledge that you were interested in "joining forces". Please learn a bit more about how Apache developers work. You can start off by joining the fop-dev mailing list which is of course better than the fop-user list for contacting the fop developers. > Remark: sorry, but due to the lack of time to read all > my mail as it is, I will now unsubscribe from the FOP mailing list. Bruno - do you know how rude this is? You want to "join forces" but you wont even stay subscribed to the mailing list? My comments are my own and do not reflect the FOP software developers. Alex McLintock
RE: How to draw a text box and a check box
Aha - Sorry - I missed the "text-box" thing. My next guess would be to put the text box into a table and make the border visible. There should be some examples of tables in the FOP distribution. Alex At 16:18 04/03/02, you wrote: Hi Alex, Thank you very much for your info. It is a solution to the check box because the check box only has two status. But for text box, the text may change on line all the time. If using image, the image box has to be mixed with the changing text. It is not easy to mix these two parts using the FO so that it looks like a text box. I appreciate your time. Have a nice day. Chester -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to draw a text box and a check box At 14:13 04/03/02, Yan, Chester (CBS) wrote: >Dear my friend, > >Do you know how to draw a text box or check box by using FO? >Thank you very much. You may have such a symbol if you use the appropriate font. Or you could use a gif/png or you could use an SVG image. Is that enough solutions for you? Alex
Multicolumn support status?
Hi folks, I'm kind of embarassed to ask this because I've been stuck on Fop 0.18 because it works and does what we want it to do. For a separate project I will be creating a bigish xml document which will be mostly text. I would like to get this into at least two columns - and it will stretch over multiple pages. I remember some time ago there were problems with this - but have they been fixed? Is there a relevant test example I can look at? I can't see one in the last pdf tests that I built. Thanks Alex = Alex McLintock[EMAIL PROTECTED]Open Source Consultancy in London OpenWeb Analysts Ltd, http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ SF and Computing Book News and Reviews: http://news.diversebooks.com/ Get Your XML T-Shirt at http://www.inversity.co.uk/ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
FAQ Location
Hi Folks, This is a reminder that I have been slowly putting together a FOP FAQ which can be found at http://www.owal.co.uk:8090/asf/fop.jsp This is a java servlet system which I hope to have time to improve in the coming weeks. (Assuming I find somewhere to live in London on very short notice) New questions and answers are welcome - but please remember that if you are just asking a question then this mailing list is probably the best place to do it. My final apology is that if you are behind a particularly paranoid firewall you wont be able to see this website - it is running off a non-standard port. If you are affected in this way then feel free to email me and remind me to change it to a more normal setup. Alex McLintock = Alex McLintock[EMAIL PROTECTED]Open Source Consultancy in London OpenWeb Analysts Ltd, http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ DR WHO COMPETITION: http://www.diversebooks.com/cgi-bin/caption/captions.cgi?date=200104 Get Your XML T-Shirt at http://www.inversity.co.uk/ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
