subcontinent. And we do
have a grants programme: check out http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant :).
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The answer, evidently, is not as much as Bing -
http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2161910/Bing-Not-Google-Favors-Wikipedia-More-Often-in-Search-Results-Study
Thought people might find it interesting :)
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for drafts is something I noticed too.
I'm going to email round all the comments to the staffers working on it
come Monday morning PST, so keep em coming!
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should improve the tool itself, you can send them to me at
oke...@wikimedia.org, or to
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Article_Creation_Workflow/Landing_System,
where the devs are watching closely :).
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Surely normal social convention applies; if someone raises the issue then
Don't be a dick and take extra care. Otherwise slip
ups/confusion/mistakes shouldn't be the end of the world...
If we're discussing this; my name is correctly pronounced Oliver Keyes,
God of Delphi, Sol, and all
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quite a bit of time researching. Having said that, we do need to be
careful about creating a someone else's problem dynamic. One way to do
this is to keep making sure these readers know that they can make the
change themselves.
Howie
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Oliver Keyes oke
On 9 February 2012 23:14, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
As said above...it is being moved ;p
Where / on which lists were the location experiments discussed prior
to implementation? Both with regards
On 10 February 2012 02:32, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the better question is what will this department actually do?
For details, please go to
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal/LCA_Announcement.;
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As said above...it is being moved ;p
On 9 February 2012 01:18, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Oliver Keyes wrote:
Well, that would be part of the Article Feedback Tool, Version 5. We're
experimenting around with new placements - personally, I *loathe* this
design, but que sera. We'll
projects? It is very useful, and
necessary for all Wikimedia wikis.
Thanks!
2012/2/9, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org:
As said above...it is being moved ;p
On 9 February 2012 01:18, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Oliver Keyes wrote:
Well, that would be part of the Article
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Uhm. Can I require to enable in any project through MediaZilla (such
as my homewiki)? Anyway, it should be deployment to many wiki, help
improve content quality.
2012/2/9, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org:
We'll hopefully be finishing up development and testing within
Okay, Minata: looks like I was right; if wikis want it after the design
process is finished, they can just ask for it.
On 9 February 2012 02:31, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Minata: I imagine the plan is deploy on enwiki, and if other wikis ask
for it, they can have it too
)
* Eventually gets activated by a Shellie.
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Minata: I imagine the plan is deploy on enwiki, and if other wikis ask
for
it, they can have it too, but I'll find out :).
In reply to It allows readers to provide feedback; that feedback is not
likely to
result in improvements except in rare cases
, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On the first one, no idea - if you have any idea how we can test this
without full deployment, please, go ahead.
feedback was sent to contributors?
did the contributor make use of the feedback?
if not, why not?
On the second
of it was stuff I can use.
On 9 February 2012 04:44, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
We'll experiment with wordings as the testing progresses. On your other
point - again, how can we find this out without testing
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to several chapters and thousand of members.
Regards
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AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
No; it's open to several chapters. If you're planning on holding the
process in private, it's in no way open to thousands of members - it's
open
to representatives of thousands of members who were not, I would wager,
selected because
should be at the forefront of that. But are
they selected with that role in mind?
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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org
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No; it's open to several chapters. If you're planning on holding
/Donativos*
On 1 February 2012 21:42, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're misunderstanding; I'm saying the Board of Trustees nominations
happening on the chapters wiki is open merely to the representatives of
chapters, not to the thousands of members apparently taking part. Please
do
Hey guys
We'll be holding another AFT office hours session at 19:00 tomorrow, in
#wikimedia-office; hope to see a lot of you there :). If you can't make it,
drop me an email and I'll send you the logs.
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Sure; if the objective is to have comments by people who are interested in
the subject, can identify the relevant venue, can identify how to edit the
relevant venue, are aware that they *can* edit, can handle wikimarkup and
can deal with the fact that a lot of editors see wide-ranging discussions
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Check the IP history; Jan-Bart added them ;p
On 4 January 2012 16:21, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
Check the page history - I don't think those bits were added by the
foundation.
On Jan 4, 2012 3:26 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
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Re Tom's
One simple idea I had (personal capacity, etc etc) - we stick lots of
banners at the top of the article saying this has X problem! Be
careful!. Would it be possible to have them appear differently to
say, anonymous IPs, and display a more friendly message encouraging
the users to register and deal
you are trying to say.
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the chance (and time!) to
experiment with some new positions, a couple of which were user-suggested.
On 24 December 2011 11:38, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24 December 2011 11:23, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
So, to reply to Liam's point first - no, that's not the real reason
would explain why we're talking at cross-threads.
On 24 December 2011 11:43, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org
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To reply to Jussi; I think we're uniformly confused as to what you think
is
the link
, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org
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The article feedback tool has nothing to do with approving edits, though.
Lets roll the conversation back; can you succinctly tell me how you
perceive the Article Feedback Tool, or what you know about it? That way
I'll know where
I'm absolutely fine with that, sure.
On 24 December 2011 12:02, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org
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Not...really. I'm not interested in getting more information on your
opinion *on* the AFT - we've got
, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Oliver Keyes wrote:
To reply to Jussi; I think we're uniformly confused as to what you think
is
the link between an encyclopedia written by experts, and an encyclopedia
that asks average joes to provide comments on articles (other than the
encyclopedia bit
or design, please feel free to email me. Other than that, merry
Newtonmas to all of you.
On 24 December 2011 18:20, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.comwrote:
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The option to self-identify as an expert is more to try
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13:11, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's correct, Tom. 0.3 percent of the English language Wikipedia is
being used as a testbed for the *rest* of the English-language Wikipedia;
a tertiary testbed, since we've already run things through on both
prototype and labs :). Obviously
% of en.wp, please?
-Liam
Peace, love metadata
On 23/12/2011, at 0:11, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's correct, Tom. 0.3 percent of the English language Wikipedia is
being
used as a testbed for the *rest* of the English-language Wikipedia; a
tertiary testbed, since we've
, repeat :-)
However, I'd like to contest the two reasons you've given for not turning
off AFTv4 in the mean time.
On 23/12/2011, at 3:49, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Actually, we're trying to avoid turning off AFT4. The reasoning is
twofold.
On a product development front
percent of enwiki's content. This is just to test
whether or not it's beneficial, and we don't plan on keeping every single
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a good one to come to :).
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Speaking off the record and in my personal capacity - fuckin' A. Thank you
for being the one sane voice :p
On Sunday, 11 December 2011, Renata St renataw...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem is that the research committee made only a token effort
at finding or following relevant onwiki policy or
Hey guys; the AFT office hours session will be starting at 11:00 (or
whenever Geoff finishes) :). Hope to see you all there!
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Indeed; an hour beforehand :). We'll be jumping in right as he ends.
On 29 November 2011 17:23, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org
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Hey guys!
Another AFT session - this one will be in #wikimedia-office on 2
?
On Nov 29, 2011 6:17 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey guys!
Another AFT session - this one will be in #wikimedia-office on 2
December,
at 19:00 UTC. If you're vaguely interested in playing around with
prototypes, you should attend - we'll have a lot of cool stuff
in general, a rating model like the one already implements would be
more appropriate, what you think?
On Nov 29, 2011 8:20 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Well, if you've seen AFT5 (you may not have, so -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Version_5
to select good photos out of 16 submitted.
On Nov 29, 2011 8:51 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
It'd be good! I'm not sure what the usefulness would be, though. So, the
two aims behind the AFT:
- To prompt greater feedback from readers on the quality of content
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on Saturday will see an office hours session on the AFT aimed at you folk
;). It'll just be me, I'm afraid, but if you want to engage on the AFT,
have any suggestions, or just want to discuss it, you're welcome to attend
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Duly noted ;p.
On 2 November 2011 04:34, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hey guys
Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours
session
on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3
So, to correct then - 23:59 UTC, which is 23:59 GMT and 4:59 UTC :P.
On 2 November 2011 14:31, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Duly noted ;p.
On 2 November 2011 04:34, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org
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4:59 PST, sorry. It's been a very, very long day.
On 2 November 2011 18:45, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
So, to correct then - 23:59 UTC, which is 23:59 GMT and 4:59 UTC :P.
On 2 November 2011 14:31, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Duly noted ;p.
On 2 November 2011
the normal time
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myself, lets do thaWAUGH, WHAT IN CTHULU'S NAME DOES ALL THIS TEXT
MEAN
On 31 October 2011 12:39, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 October 2011 12:30, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure about that specific change, but one illustration might be the
Article Feedback
Surely making it only available to those users who understand markup
completely undermines one of the great unintended consequences - that it's
really useful for posting talkpage messages? New users can use those
templates in a *perfectly* meaningful way - as a way of communicating
instead of
Not my call, but I'd totally support that.
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:35 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 October 2011 08:06, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote:
Surely making it only available to those users who understand markup
completely undermines one of the great
it's important, even without WL's core purpose, that the tool remain
available to new editors.
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
On 30 October 2011 08:06, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote:
Surely making it only available to those users who understand
I was saying that the WL layout posting on talkpages ;p.
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com
wrote:
You seem to be missing my point - that the WL tool serves an ulterior
function
Speaking personally, the tech department develops features that benefit the
community. The difference is that they, quite rightly, see the community
as consisting of both readers and editors. They are developing
editor-specific new features, such as the Zoom interface for
Special:NewPages, as I
As for empowering users and letting them play a role - speaking
professionally now, that's exactly what tech is trying to do. I should
know, they've hired me on a short-term basis to help out :P. If you want to
get involved, my inbox is always open. Drop me an email and I'll send you
links to what
I'm not saying that they would *ignore* readers, just that consistently
taking outside parties into account is something every group finds
difficult. I can see the community noting, in such discussions, that
readers have a stake. I can even see them taking this stake into account
when making
. Is that something that interests anyone?
Meanwhile, the plans for the new AFT version can be found at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AFT5 - if you have any opinions, just
drop a note on the talkpage. All comments and perspectives are welcome :).
Thanks
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in
#wikimedia-office at 19:00 GMT/UTC, and I hope to see a lot of you there :).
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On 26 October 2011 11:04, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote:
So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC
to
discuss the Article Feedback Tool and what we're planning to do with it -
namely, scrapping it and replacing
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote:
I personally can not attend but I guess there are many users interested in
the topic, and some brief update on a dedicated Meta page (or even
publication of the IRC log) would be much appreciated.
Cheers
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
On 26 October 2011 06:04, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey guys
So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC
..snip...The session will be held in
#wikimedia-office at 19:00 GMT
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:33:30 +0100, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we make sure that any new generation Article Feedback tool is
properly
tested, and that testing includes:
1.
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.comwrote
Let's linky here, Oliver: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDCOM
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My bad. Anyway, to quote The role of the Mediation Committee is explicitly
to try to resolve disputes, especially those *involving
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote:
On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 22:30:38 -0600, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:
A Committee to Deal with Content Issues
.
For instance, would such committee (if ever created) tell Arabic Wikipedia
what
has to be written
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:30 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:
A Committee to Deal with Content Issues
Wikipedia does not seem to have any formal arbitration committee that deals
with content.
The Mediation Committee?
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the wiki. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me :P
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:47 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 August 2010 20:14, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I sent this to an internal
So your peer reviewed experience iiis. the co-authoring of a single paper
published in a supplement? Less than say, a particularly good management
undergrad. Forgive me; a director of marketing at that level does exactly
how much direct marketing?
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Gregory Kohs
software to
change the skin they use if they find serious fault with Vector.
Oliver Keyes wrote:
Impose? You know it can be turned off, right?
Being able to disable the skin is one of the reasons it won't see
improvement. It's far less effort to switch your personal skin back to the
old
Agreed. A good example; on the English Wikipedia, I'm a massive law nerd
with 40-something legal GAs and FAs to my name. I'd never even have studied
the subject if it wasn't for a group of Wikipedians, some of whom have later
helped me with or collaborated on articles. The importance of social
Another cease-and-desist, perchance? Hopefully the Streisand Effect will
take hold and every news organisation reporting this will reproduce the seal
in loving, high-definition detail.
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote:
Incidentally, britannica.com removed
OMG I MET ROBERT I LUV HIM SO is disruptive. Does anyone know where he was
educated? It isn't listed is potentially helpful. And so on.
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
Oliver Keyes wrote:
Agreed. A good example; on the English Wikipedia, I'm a massive
in an attempt to impose purely aesthetic choices on the
broader community.
Impose? You know it can be turned off, right?
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:32 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
On 8/2/2010 6:12 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
A lot of the complaints I heard regarding the Vector
Wikipedia images and pages normally have descriptive titles. If you want to
prevent children seeing bad stuff on the internet, set up a web blocker.
Mind you, if you want to prevent children seeing bad stuff on the internet,
best to raise them in an Amish village.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:05 PM,
The idea is that most of en.wp's articles are well-enough written, and
written in accord with NPOV to a sufficient degree to overcome any
such criticism of 'imperial encyclopedism.' - really? It's a) not
particularly well-written, mostly and b) referenced overwhelmingly to
English-language
If there are issues, they can be overcome. The fact of the matter is
that the vast majority of articles in English can be pushed over to
other languages, and fill a need for those topics in those languages. - if
there are vast swathes in other languages that aren't filled, it's normally
Agreed. There's one wiki which artificially inflated the number of articles
it had via a bot (I forget the specific language). That's not a way to
increase the wiki's strength. There's an old phrase used on en-wiki; africa
is not a redlink. It means that because we have articles on a lot of common
at 6:23 PM, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com
wrote:
Perhaps in future (for say, Haifa) it would be an idea if any
chapter-based
scholarships were put on hold until after the Foundation makes its
choices?
That way the systems could mesh, with people who don't quite meet the
Foundation
The attendance of French Wikipedians was certainly high; I travelled through
to Gdansk with five or six (the Why France/Britain sucks conversations
were amusing). I think it's an excellent idea for individual chapters to
distribute scholarships, but yes, there is a time element involved. I guess
If wishes were fishes and all that. Still, it's July now; could budgets not
get approved before January?
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.comwrote:
On 7/21/10 1:37 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
The attendance of French Wikipedians was certainly high; I travelled
There's an en-wiki project I'm getting involved in that is planning
outreach to smaller wikis. Would you like me to give you a ping when we
launch?
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
2010/7/18 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
Amir,
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