Re: Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread David Creamer
I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc. Has

Re: Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread David Creamer
Actually that is not strictly correct. There are a wide range of variables that can be used in QXP for number of defined purposes and if you are using Quark Tags (somewhat similar in its execution to MIF) the range is much wider. However the functionality built into it is not as extensive as

Re: Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread David Creamer
On Linda Lecomte at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/30/07 8:36 AM: Thanks David. This was helpful and I probably will have more questions. I do have two right now: What do you mean by Quark does not do numbered lists or footnotes natively. Also, is outsourcing this project to you an option. I

RE: Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread Chris Borokowski
I love Quark and InDesign, and learned to like PageMaker too back in the day, but these are desktop publishing applications. They are for creating layouts. FrameMaker, on the other hand, is a document management tool. It's better for authoring, in my view. Microsoft Word is a kind of hybrid that

RE: Table rules randomly dark in pdfs

2007-11-30 Thread Fred Ridder
Doug wrote: In my experience the true test is whether the rules print normally...Acrobat has a reputation for not being able to draw lines well. If the hardcopy is fine, just ignore the inconsistent ruling. Just to clarify: Acrobat's problems with line widths is on-screen only, and it all

RE: Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread Sylvia Clarke
We've used both Quark and FrameMaker. My colleague, a diehard Quark user, has agreed that for the documents we are creating (user manuals for medical devices) FrameMaker is the better way to go. Quark does not seem to have features for creating books which makes making a global change in the

RE: Detecting a click in the Structure View

2007-11-30 Thread russ
Rick, The only way I've ever done it is to use the generic click notification, then test the active document to see if it is the Structure View. The test I use looks for Structure View in the title bar, which I know isn't completely reliable in all instances. Something like this, inside of

Re: Table rules randomly dark in pdfs

2007-11-30 Thread Peter Hirons
Loretta, What you are probably seeing is a result of the screen - sometimes the line triggers one row of pixels and sometimes two, making it look thicker. When you increase the magnification all lines trigger two (or more rows) and look the same. If you move the image around on the screen do

RE: Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread Holwell, Pat
As noted, Quark is really a designing application and not really meant for writing documentation. We tried using it in my organization, but found that it couldn't handle large manuals very well it crashed everytime we tried to generate a TOC Index, -- -Original

Re: Table rules randomly dark in pdfs

2007-11-30 Thread Doug
In my experience the true test is whether the rules print normally...Acrobat has a reputation for not being able to draw lines well. If the hardcopy is fine, just ignore the inconsistent ruling. --Doug On 11/29/07, Chen, Loretta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, We just changed our tables from

Re: Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread David Creamer
If I may, a quick question about InDesign. Can InDesign import xml and have the information act like it does in Frame. Background: We use Frame as part of our software we have designed. This software does marketing and is also able to export and then import into Frame to create large

Re: Table rules randomly dark in pdfs

2007-11-30 Thread Art Campbell
If it turns out the rules aren't just visual affects, but actually are in the PDF, remember that it is possible for the rule thicknesses to vary from machine to machine if custom ruling is used... Also, Rick Quatro's Table Cleaner plug in is a great tool for tracking down and resolving problems

Re: FrameMaker XML inDesign XML imports

2007-11-30 Thread David Creamer
What we do here is take let's say 100 products which include the image, descriptions, and all the corresponding sizes or colors in a table, and export from a filemaker database and then import into Frame. Frame streams all the information into the template -- all 100 products -- where we then

RE: Table rules randomly dark in pdfs

2007-11-30 Thread Chen, Loretta
Thanks everyone for the information. I don't see why a bad machine would produce a bad on-screen line that is then visible on a good machine. But I'll make some final checks on the uniformity of our printer driver and call it a day. While frustrating, it does takes the heat off me for not

Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread Linda Lecomte
Hi Everyone, I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as more appropriate for designers that do brochures,

Table rules randomly dark in pdfs

2007-11-30 Thread Peter Hirons
Loretta, What you are probably seeing is a result of the screen - sometimes the line triggers one row of pixels and sometimes two, making it look thicker. When you increase the magnification all lines trigger two (or more rows) and look the same. If you move the image around on the screen do

Table rules randomly dark in pdfs

2007-11-30 Thread Art Campbell
If it turns out the rules aren't just visual affects, but actually are in the PDF, remember that it is possible for the rule thicknesses to vary from machine to machine if custom ruling is used... Also, Rick Quatro's Table Cleaner plug in is a great tool for tracking down and resolving problems

Detecting a click in the Structure View

2007-11-30 Thread r...@weststreetconsulting.com
Rick, The only way I've ever done it is to use the generic click notification, then test the active document to see if it is the Structure View. The test I use looks for "Structure View" in the title bar, which I know isn't completely reliable in all instances. Something like this, inside of

Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread David Creamer
> I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their > technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I > suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as > more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc. > >

Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread David Creamer
> If I may, a quick question about InDesign. Can InDesign import xml > and have the information act like it does in Frame. > Background: > We use Frame as part of our software we have designed. This software > does marketing and is also able to export and then import into Frame > to create large

Table rules randomly dark in pdfs

2007-11-30 Thread Doug
In my experience the true test is whether the rules print normally...Acrobat has a reputation for not being able to draw lines well. If the hardcopy is fine, just ignore the inconsistent ruling. --Doug On 11/29/07, Chen, Loretta wrote: > Hi, > > We just changed our tables from just header

Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread Sylvia Clarke
We've used both Quark and FrameMaker. My colleague, a diehard Quark user, has agreed that for the documents we are creating (user manuals for medical devices) FrameMaker is the better way to go. Quark does not seem to have features for creating books which makes making a global change in the

Table rules randomly dark in pdfs

2007-11-30 Thread Fred Ridder
Doug wrote: > In my experience the true test is whether the rules print > normally...Acrobat has a reputation for not being able to draw lines > well. If the hardcopy is fine, just ignore the inconsistent ruling. Just to clarify: Acrobat's problems with line widths is on-screen only, and it all

Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread Holwell, Pat
As noted, Quark is really a designing application and not really meant for writing documentation. We tried using it in my organization, but found that it couldn't handle large manuals very well & it crashed everytime we tried to generate a TOC & Index, -- -Original

Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread Chris Borokowski
I love Quark and InDesign, and learned to like PageMaker too back in the day, but these are desktop publishing applications. They are for creating layouts. FrameMaker, on the other hand, is a document management tool. It's better for authoring, in my view. Microsoft Word is a kind of hybrid that

Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread David Creamer
On Linda Lecomte at lecomte at comcast.net wrote on 11/30/07 8:36 AM: > Thanks David. This was helpful and I probably will have more questions. I do > have two right now: > What do you mean by Quark does not do numbered lists or footnotes natively. > Also, is outsourcing this project to you an

Quark versus FrameMaker

2007-11-30 Thread David Creamer
> Actually that is not strictly correct. There are a wide range of > variables that can be used in QXP for number of defined purposes and > if you are using Quark Tags (somewhat similar in its execution to MIF) > the range is much wider. However the functionality built into it is > not as

FrameMaker XML inDesign XML imports

2007-11-30 Thread David Creamer
> What we do here is take let's say 100 products which include the > image, descriptions, and all the corresponding sizes or colors in a > table, and export from a filemaker database and then import into > Frame. Frame streams all the information into the template -- all 100 > products -- where we

Table rules randomly dark in pdfs

2007-11-30 Thread Chen, Loretta
Thanks everyone for the information. I don't see why a "bad" machine would produce a bad on-screen line that is then visible on a good machine. But I'll make some final checks on the uniformity of our printer driver and call it a day. While frustrating, it does takes the heat off me for not