Re: Backtracking cross-references
Steve, Using marker-based cross-references, FrameMaker cannot search for cross-references to a particular location (although it can be done in MIF, using FrameScript, or with an FDK client). Using element-based cross-references in structured FrameMaker, in which the cross-reference itself can be in a structured or unstructured document, but the cited location (in FrameMaker's terminology the source of the cross-reference) must be in a structured document, FrameMaker can search for cross-references to a particular location. The source must be identified by a unique ID attribute that is not hidden. --Lynne At 07:39 AM 2/7/2006, Steve Rickaby wrote: An easy one, maybe: given a destination cross-reference marker, is there a way to locate the source(s) of the cross-reference? Searching for marker text doesn't work, either using the actual cross-reference text, or the id number in the destination marker. Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Structure/Schema - Custom or off the shelf?
Hi Marcus, I've enjoyed our exchange. The contrast between Micheal's and Eliot's opinions is fascinating, and insightful. Eliot has a long-standing reputation in the markup languages community, while Michael's reputation is solid as a designer of DITA and much of the underlying XSLT processing required to implement the DITA architecture. Yet they disagree. To add yet another opinion to the mix, Tim Bray, a co-author of the XML recommendation, warns of the requisite effort and risks in designing any new substantial markup vocabulary, and advises readers to begin by evaluating the capabilities of the big five proven XML vocabularies (I would add DITA to his list). http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/01/08/No-New-XML-Languages . Why does Michael advocate using DITA out-of-the-box? I can't speak for him, but I suspect the answer lies at least partially in the size and structure of IBM's product development teams, which resemble small-to-medium software companies more than tightly-integrated members of a $150+ billion dollar enterprise. I tend to agree with you and Eliot for XML implementations in which the business requirements mandate a substantially new vocabulary, and the budget supports the necessary development and implementation effort. However, many (especially smaller) organizations face business needs that can be met by subsetting DocBook or using DITA as-is or nearly so. In addition, these vocabularies provide the necessary processing toolkits for generating output. The latter can be a complex, costly effort that is often out-of-reach of smaller organizations who are evaluating a migration to XML-based publishing. This range of needs and budgets reminds me of an exchange I had in the exhibit hall at last year's STC conference in Seattle. I approached one of the well-known content management vendors, and said Do you have a solution in the mid-five figures [U.S. dollars]? If so, I could recommend it to many of my clients. He replied enthusiastically, Yes, most of our implementations are in the half-million dollar range, then proceeded to rattle off several members of the Fortune 100. I listened politely before moving on to the next booth. -Alan Marcus Carr wrote: Alan Houser wrote: DITA architect Michael Priestley (a co-author of the 2001 paper you cited) has more recently addressed the misconception that DITA is an exchange format, not an authoring format (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dita-users/message/1081). My anecdotal experience matches Michael's -- that about half of all implementations use the DITA DTD out of the box for content authoring. This showed up in a conference plug recently and I revisited the link that Alan provided to Michael Priestly's posting. Out of interest, I looked at the post to which Michael had replied, and found it was a very good email from Eliot Kimber - one of the long-term industry experts going well back into the SGML days. His explanation is far better than mine was, but echoed much of the same sentiment. If you're interested, have a look at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dita-users/message/1080. -- --- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Esc m p for anchored frames?
Ok, I have tried searching the archives for this, but the searchable messages don't go back far enough in time. I distinctly remember a discussion about what the m and p represented in the Esc m p command for anchored frames. Fred Ridder also supplied a succinct description of why this functions the way that it does - basically, when I place my anchored frame at a certain location, then use Esc m p, the frame is shrunk to the size of the graphic, but the whole frame with the graphic is shifted upwards - it does not remain in its original location - if this description makes sense. Any information on this subject is appreciated. TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer EFB Product Development Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc. 303-328-4420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Esc m p for anchored frames?
Tammy -- this behaviour was scripted for equations created using FrameMath. We just get the bonus of having it work for other anchored frames. g AFAIK, there is no way to change this default behaviour. The workaround is to type Esc-s-a after Esc-m-p and choose the setting you want. With something like FrameScript or AutoIT (http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/), you could probably combine this set into a single function key. Grant ___ Grant Hogarth Equis International - A Reuters Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: (+1) 801.270.3180 Main Fax: 801.265.3999 URL: www.equis.com TZ: Mountain (GMT -7) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:27 AM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Esc m p for anchored frames? Ok, I have tried searching the archives for this, but the searchable messages don't go back far enough in time. I distinctly remember a discussion about what the m and p represented in the Esc m p command for anchored frames. Fred Ridder also supplied a succinct description of why this functions the way that it does - basically, when I place my anchored frame at a certain location, then use Esc m p, the frame is shrunk to the size of the graphic, but the whole frame with the graphic is shifted upwards - it does not remain in its original location - if this description makes sense. Any information on this subject is appreciated. TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer EFB Product Development Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc. 303-328-4420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Esc m p for anchored frames?
Tammy, The anchored frame moves because one of those commands sets the anchored frame to At insertion point instead of Below insertion point, which I'm guessing was your setting before running the command. I don't know how to shrinkwrap without this change, but suspect someone else on the list can help with that. ~~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC Intelligent technical communication since 1993 Technical writing, help development, FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.techcomplus.com/ 303-450-9076 800-500-3144 ~~ Manager, Consulting and Independent Contracting Special Interest Group Society for Technical Communication http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html ~~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:27 AM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Esc m p for anchored frames? Ok, I have tried searching the archives for this, but the searchable messages don't go back far enough in time. I distinctly remember a discussion about what the m and p represented in the Esc m p command for anchored frames. Fred Ridder also supplied a succinct description of why this functions the way that it does - basically, when I place my anchored frame at a certain location, then use Esc m p, the frame is shrunk to the size of the graphic, but the whole frame with the graphic is shifted upwards - it does not remain in its original location - if this description makes sense. Any information on this subject is appreciated. TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer EFB Product Development Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc. 303-328-4420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Esc m p for anchored frames?
If you initially set the anchored frame postion to be Below Current Line, using ESC mp to shrink the size of the anchored frame to the size of the contained graphic object changes the anchored frame position to At Insertion Point. To restore the original position after shrinking it, you must click on the anchored frame, open the Anchored Frame dialog, and and re-select Below Current Line, and perhaps also restore the original Alignment position. Don't ask me why the ESC mp action forces these arbitrary changes in position and alignment. That's just the way it is. I suspect that this shortcut was added at the request of one of the large license holders, who explicitly asked for this behavior, and Frame Technology complied with the request. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I have tried searching the archives for this, but the searchable messages don't go back far enough in time. I distinctly remember a discussion about what the m and p represented in the Esc m p command for anchored frames. Fred Ridder also supplied a succinct description of why this functions the way that it does - basically, when I place my anchored frame at a certain location, then use Esc m p, the frame is shrunk to the size of the graphic, but the whole frame with the graphic is shifted upwards - it does not remain in its original location - if this description makes sense. Any information on this subject is appreciated. Dan Emory Associates FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design Database Publishing DW Emory [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Esc m p for anchored frames?
The explanation I had always heard was that the m p mnemonic stood for math, package, and that the command was designed to do exactly what you want to do when you're inserting a mathematical equation constructed with some equation editing tool as an inline object in your text. When you're putting an anchored frame inline in a paragraph, the at insertion point frame position and minimized frame margins are exactly the properties you want. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Emory Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Framers List Subject: Re: Esc m p for anchored frames? If you initially set the anchored frame postion to be Below Current Line, using ESC mp to shrink the size of the anchored frame to the size of the contained graphic object changes the anchored frame position to At Insertion Point. To restore the original position after shrinking it, you must click on the anchored frame, open the Anchored Frame dialog, and and re-select Below Current Line, and perhaps also restore the original Alignment position. Don't ask me why the ESC mp action forces these arbitrary changes in position and alignment. That's just the way it is. I suspect that this shortcut was added at the request of one of the large license holders, who explicitly asked for this behavior, and Frame Technology complied with the request. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I have tried searching the archives for this, but the searchable messages don't go back far enough in time. I distinctly remember a discussion about what the m and p represented in the Esc m p command for anchored frames. Fred Ridder also supplied a succinct description of why this functions the way that it does - basically, when I place my anchored frame at a certain location, then use Esc m p, the frame is shrunk to the size of the graphic, but the whole frame with the graphic is shifted upwards - it does not remain in its original location - if this description makes sense. Any information on this subject is appreciated. Dan Emory Associates FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design Database Publishing DW Emory [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/fred.ridder%40intel. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Esc m p for anchored frames?
Daniel, Linda, Rick, Kay, Sarah, Grant, Debbi, Fred, et. al. Thanks for all of the information. Here's a quick summary of what I have learned both on and off-list: 1.) Esc m p - Escape math position. We inherited this function from its original purpose for equations in a Framemaker document (hence, math position). Shrinkwrapping an equation shrinks the surrounding anchored frame so that it's just large enough for the equation, changes the frame's anchoring position to At Insertion Point, and puts the insertion point after the frame. 2.) After I shrinkwrap a graphic, I can use Esc s a (wild guess here, maybe for special anchored frame) to open the Special Anchored Frame dialog box and set the position of the anchored frame as needed. Thanks one and all - I learn so much from this list every day! Everybody on this list has such a large brain (a direct reference to a local morning show here in Denver -locals will know what I mean!) TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer EFB Product Development Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc. 303-328-4420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Esc m p for anchored frames?
Back in Dec. 2004, I brought this topic up. Doug B. sent me a DLL (ShrinkWrapAsIs.dll). This allows you to use the Esc m p command, but the anchored frame will stay as it was originally set. I won't redistribute the DLL without permission, but I've copied Doug at the email I had for him from that time. -Carla [EMAIL PROTECTED] - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Conditional Pagination
Hi All, I'm working with a Frame 7.2 document that is conditioned to produce two different manuals for two different (but similar) products. The last book file contains several schematics that are conditioned for one or the other product. Upon turning off the conditions for one product, several blank pages remain and do not go away after saving the file. (Pagination is configured to delete empty pages.) The caveat to this scenario is that the last page is assigned a custom master page (Back Cover). When I change the page to standard Right/Left master page, the document immediately corrects pagination. I prefer not to cob the last page to force it to work. Is there a more elegant approach to fixing this problem? dominick Dominick A. DeFlorio Senior Technical Writer Plug Power, Inc. 968 Albany-Shaker Road Latham, NY 12110 (518) 738-0389 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Esc m p for anchored frames?
LOL Someone else provided me with the DLL (I forget whom) so I don't have a problem with anyone distributing it. It works great...I love it. --Doug On 2/8/06, Martinek, Carla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in Dec. 2004, I brought this topic up. Doug B. sent me a DLL (ShrinkWrapAsIs.dll). This allows you to use the Esc m p command, but the anchored frame will stay as it was originally set. I won't redistribute the DLL without permission, but I've copied Doug at the email I had for him from that time. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Esc m p for anchored frames?
When I taught this shortcut in one of my FrameMaker classes, someone suggested it stood for Make Perfect. I've always liked that and it makes the shortcut easier to remember. Pat Christenson ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Structure/Schema - Custom or off the shelf?
Alan Houser wrote: > DITA architect Michael Priestley (a co-author of the 2001 paper you > cited) has more recently addressed the misconception that DITA is an > exchange format, not an authoring format > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dita-users/message/1081). My anecdotal > experience matches Michael's -- that about half of all > implementations use the DITA DTD "out of the box" for content > authoring. This showed up in a conference plug recently and I revisited the link that Alan provided to Michael Priestly's posting. Out of interest, I looked at the post to which Michael had replied, and found it was a very good email from Eliot Kimber - one of the long-term industry experts going well back into the SGML days. His explanation is far better than mine was, but echoed much of the same sentiment. If you're interested, have a look at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dita-users/message/1080. -- Regards, Marcus Carr email: mcarr at allette.com.au ___ Allette Systems (Australia) www:http://www.allette.com.au ___ "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Einstein
Chautauqua and 3-D?
"A" wrote: >Hi everyone. I wasn't able to make it to the FrameUsers Chautauqua, >but I've heard rumors about 3-D products popping up here and there at >the conference. Can anyone tell me about the products and the coverage >there? If you're on TECHWR-L, this isn't spam, just the same person >trying to get more info! Thank you! A transcript of Karl Matthews' presentation (including the text of slides + "corridor" Q), made by Thomas Michanek, is available at http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/KeynoteTranscription.pdf Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting FM-to-PDF Assistants: Navigation, Form, Presentation, Defaults, Multimedia, 3D
Backtracking cross-references
Steve, Using marker-based cross-references, FrameMaker cannot search for cross-references to a particular location (although it can be done in MIF, using FrameScript, or with an FDK client). Using element-based cross-references in structured FrameMaker, in which the cross-reference itself can be in a structured or unstructured document, but the cited location (in FrameMaker's terminology the "source" of the cross-reference) must be in a structured document, FrameMaker can search for cross-references to a particular location. The source must be identified by a unique ID attribute that is not hidden. --Lynne At 07:39 AM 2/7/2006, Steve Rickaby wrote: An easy one, maybe: given a destination cross-reference marker, is there a way to locate the source(s) of the cross-reference? Searching for marker text doesn't work, either using the actual cross-reference text, or the id number in the destination marker. Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Structure/Schema - Custom or off the shelf?
Hi Marcus, I've enjoyed our exchange. The contrast between Micheal's and Eliot's opinions is fascinating, and insightful. Eliot has a long-standing reputation in the markup languages community, while Michael's reputation is solid as a designer of DITA and much of the underlying XSLT processing required to implement the DITA architecture. Yet they disagree. To add yet another opinion to the mix, Tim Bray, a co-author of the XML recommendation, warns of the requisite effort and risks in designing any new substantial markup vocabulary, and advises readers to begin by evaluating the capabilities of the "big five" proven XML vocabularies (I would add DITA to his list). http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/01/08/No-New-XML-Languages . Why does Michael advocate using DITA out-of-the-box? I can't speak for him, but I suspect the answer lies at least partially in the size and structure of IBM's product development teams, which resemble small-to-medium software companies more than tightly-integrated members of a $150+ billion dollar enterprise. I tend to agree with you and Eliot for XML implementations in which the business requirements mandate a substantially new vocabulary, and the budget supports the necessary development and implementation effort. However, many (especially smaller) organizations face business needs that can be met by subsetting DocBook or using DITA as-is or nearly so. In addition, these vocabularies provide the necessary processing toolkits for generating output. The latter can be a complex, costly effort that is often out-of-reach of smaller organizations who are evaluating a migration to XML-based publishing. This range of needs and budgets reminds me of an exchange I had in the exhibit hall at last year's STC conference in Seattle. I approached one of the well-known content management vendors, and said "Do you have a solution in the mid-five figures [U.S. dollars]? If so, I could recommend it to many of my clients." He replied enthusiastically, "Yes, most of our implementations are in the half-million dollar range," then proceeded to rattle off several members of the Fortune 100. I listened politely before moving on to the next booth. -Alan Marcus Carr wrote: > > Alan Houser wrote: > >> DITA architect Michael Priestley (a co-author of the 2001 paper you >> cited) has more recently addressed the misconception that DITA is an >> exchange format, not an authoring format >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dita-users/message/1081). My anecdotal >> experience matches Michael's -- that about half of all >> implementations use the DITA DTD "out of the box" for content >> authoring. > > This showed up in a conference plug recently and I revisited the link > that Alan provided to Michael Priestly's posting. Out of interest, I > looked at the post to which Michael had replied, and found it was a > very good email from Eliot Kimber - one of the long-term industry > experts going well back into the SGML days. His explanation is far > better than mine was, but echoed much of the same sentiment. If you're > interested, have a look at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dita-users/message/1080. > > -- --- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com
Esc m p for anchored frames?
Ok, I have tried searching the archives for this, but the searchable messages don't go back far enough in time. I distinctly remember a discussion about what the m and p represented in the Esc m p command for anchored frames. Fred Ridder also supplied a succinct description of why this functions the way that it does - basically, when I place my anchored frame at a certain location, then use Esc m p, the frame is shrunk to the size of the graphic, but the whole frame with the graphic is shifted upwards - it does not remain in its original location - if this description makes sense. Any information on this subject is appreciated. TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer EFB Product Development Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc. 303-328-4420 tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com
Esc m p for anchored frames?
Tammy -- this behaviour was scripted for equations created using FrameMath. We just get the bonus of having it work for other anchored frames. AFAIK, there is no way to change this default behaviour. The workaround is to type Esc-s-a after Esc-m-p and choose the setting you want. With something like FrameScript or AutoIT (http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/), you could probably combine this set into a single function key. Grant ___ Grant Hogarth Equis International - A Reuters Company ghogarth at Equis.com / Grant.Hogarth at Reuters.com Direct: (+1) 801.270.3180 Main Fax: 801.265.3999 URL: www.equis.com TZ: Mountain (GMT -7) -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:27 AM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Esc m p for anchored frames? Ok, I have tried searching the archives for this, but the searchable messages don't go back far enough in time. I distinctly remember a discussion about what the m and p represented in the Esc m p command for anchored frames. Fred Ridder also supplied a succinct description of why this functions the way that it does - basically, when I place my anchored frame at a certain location, then use Esc m p, the frame is shrunk to the size of the graphic, but the whole frame with the graphic is shifted upwards - it does not remain in its original location - if this description makes sense. Any information on this subject is appreciated. TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer EFB Product Development Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc. 303-328-4420 tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com ___
Esc m p for anchored frames?
Tammy, The anchored frame moves because one of those commands sets the anchored frame to "At insertion point" instead of "Below insertion point," which I'm guessing was your setting before running the command. I don't know how to shrinkwrap without this change, but suspect someone else on the list can help with that. ~~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC Intelligent technical communication since 1993 Technical writing, help development, FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions lindag at techcomplus.com http://www.techcomplus.com/ 303-450-9076 800-500-3144 ~~ Manager, Consulting and Independent Contracting Special Interest Group Society for Technical Communication http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html ~~ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus.com at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:27 AM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Esc m p for anchored frames? Ok, I have tried searching the archives for this, but the searchable messages don't go back far enough in time. I distinctly remember a discussion about what the m and p represented in the Esc m p command for anchored frames. Fred Ridder also supplied a succinct description of why this functions the way that it does - basically, when I place my anchored frame at a certain location, then use Esc m p, the frame is shrunk to the size of the graphic, but the whole frame with the graphic is shifted upwards - it does not remain in its original location - if this description makes sense. Any information on this subject is appreciated. TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer EFB Product Development Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc. 303-328-4420 tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lindag at techcomplus.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Esc m p for anchored frames?
If you initially set the anchored frame postion to be Below Current Line, using ESC mp to shrink the size of the anchored frame to the size of the contained graphic object changes the anchored frame position to "At Insertion Point". To restore the original position after shrinking it, you must click on the anchored frame, open the Anchored Frame dialog, and and re-select "Below Current Line", and perhaps also restore the original "Alignment" position. Don't ask me why the ESC mp action forces these arbitrary changes in position and alignment. That's just the way it is. I suspect that this shortcut was added at the request of one of the large license holders, who explicitly asked for this behavior, and Frame Technology complied with the request. --- Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com wrote: > Ok, > > I have tried searching the archives for this, but > the searchable messages > don't go back far enough in time. I distinctly > remember a discussion about > what the m and p represented in the Esc m p command > for anchored frames. > Fred Ridder also supplied a succinct description of > why this functions the > way that it does - basically, when I place my > anchored frame at a certain > location, then use Esc m p, the frame is shrunk to > the size of the > graphic, but the whole frame with the graphic is > shifted upwards - it does > not remain in its original location - if this > description makes sense. > > Any information on this subject is appreciated. Dan Emory & Associates FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing DW Emory
