FM 8.0 insallation question

[Writer]

I currently have 7.1, 8.0, and 9.0 on my PC. I haven't experienced any 
problems.

Nadine

Ken Poshedly wrote:
> Perhaps stupid question, but is it advised that I uninstall FM 7.0 
> before installing FM 8.0?
>
> I though I recalled seeing this discussed a fw years ago, though I 
> might be wrong.
>
> -- Ken in Atlanta
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FM 8.0 insallation question

[Ken Poshedly]

Perhaps stupid question, but is it advised that I uninstall FM 7.0 
before installing FM 8.0?

I though I recalled seeing this discussed a fw years ago, though I 
might be wrong.

-- Ken in Atlanta

FM 8.0 insallation question

[Combs, Richard]

Ken Poshedly wrote:

> Perhaps stupid question, but is it advised that I uninstall FM 7.0
> before installing FM 8.0?

Multiple versions of FM have always coexisted with no problems. Of
course, the .fm, .mif, and .book file extensions will become associated
with FM 8. But you can change that in Windows if you want. 

One caution: Multiple versions of Acrobat (and that includes Distiller)
do _not_ peacefully coexist. I don't recall if FM 8 comes with
Distiller. But if it does, either don't install it or first remove any
previous version you have (either the full Acrobat or the Distiller
bundled with FM 7.x). 

HTH, and happy weekend!
Richard


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Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Writer]

True. At least not until I get a bag of marshmallows and a pointed stick. =D

*scampers off*

Nadine
> And you *don't* want to get me started...  ;-)
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> http://www.omsys.com/
>
>   

RE: FM 8.0 insallation question

[Combs, Richard]

Ken Poshedly wrote:
 
> Perhaps stupid question, but is it advised that I uninstall FM 7.0
> before installing FM 8.0?

Multiple versions of FM have always coexisted with no problems. Of
course, the .fm, .mif, and .book file extensions will become associated
with FM 8. But you can change that in Windows if you want. 

One caution: Multiple versions of Acrobat (and that includes Distiller)
do _not_ peacefully coexist. I don't recall if FM 8 comes with
Distiller. But if it does, either don't install it or first remove any
previous version you have (either the full Acrobat or the Distiller
bundled with FM 7.x). 

HTH, and happy weekend!
Richard


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[Writer]

Tell us another story from the old days, Grandpa.

Nadine, who also could not resist ;-)

Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:32:12 -0600, Patrick Fortino  
> wrote:
>
>   
>> But imagine it's 1986 and you are in a computer store looking at 
>> computers.
>> 
>
> I can't resist.  ;-)  In 1986, I was working at a company that
> had pretty much standardized on Macs.  People loved them.  I had
> one of the older DOS boxes, with a special drive that allowed
> it to read and write Mac disks (for conversion purposes).  Macs 
> were so "special" other machines couldn't read the disks at all, 
> even at the record level, much less write to them.
>
>   
>> One the hand, you have DOS with it's blinking cursor waiting for  
>> instructions from you. If only you knew what those instructions were.
>> 
>
> Yes, it did call for knowing what you were doing.  ;-)  But
> so did the Mac.  How long did it take *you* to figure out that
> the way to eject a floppy, other than the paperclip taped to 
> every Mac, was to drag it to the Trash???  This was intuitive?  
>
>   
>> On the other hand, you have a Mac Plus, it's friendly face and graphic  
>> interface inviting you to experiment. Both computers will pretty much  
>> do what you want, the big difference being ease of use and cost. Macs  
>> were easier to use and cost a LOT more (I'm not trying to start a  
>> windows v mac battle here: I use both and think they are now pretty  
>> even on ease of use).
>> 
>
> Back then, Macs had another interesting feature.  If anything
> went wrong during a write to the floppy, a daily event, the
> entire disk became unusable.  You discovered this the next time
> you inserted your wonderful project, and the Mac offered to
> format the "damaged" disk for you.  You could literally hear
> the screams from one end of the office to the other.
>
> So on that DOS box, I studied the Mac filesystem on the disks.
> After a while I worked out the rules for it (Apple wouldn't
> tell you, unlike, say, IBM), and wrote a simple program to
> fix up a very common (and harmless) error made by the Mac if
> it wasn't totally done with the disk before it was removed.
> (It wasn't updating the free list until then, so a block just
> written would be in both the used and free lists, and the Mac 
> threw up its hands.  I just removed any used blocks from the 
> free list and updated it.)
>
> After a while there was a steady stream of folks with tearstained
> faces gingerly clutching a floppy coming to my desk.  It took a
> few seconds for my program to fix them up.  They went back to
> work on the easier-to-use system... much happier.  
>
> My point?  It's *not* that easier is worse.  It's that every
> tool has its use, and if you master them all, you are better
> off than those who limit themselves to one.  Even if you think
> it's the easiest.  ;-)
>
> And what did you expect, on Friday afternoon?  
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> http://www.omsys.com/
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Re: FM 8.0 insallation question

[Writer]

I currently have 7.1, 8.0, and 9.0 on my PC. I haven't experienced any 
problems.

Nadine

Ken Poshedly wrote:
> Perhaps stupid question, but is it advised that I uninstall FM 7.0 
> before installing FM 8.0?
>
> I though I recalled seeing this discussed a fw years ago, though I 
> might be wrong.
>
> -- Ken in Atlanta
>
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[Ken Poshedly]

Perhaps stupid question, but is it advised that I uninstall FM 7.0 
before installing FM 8.0?

I though I recalled seeing this discussed a fw years ago, though I 
might be wrong.

-- Ken in Atlanta


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[Writer]

True. At least not until I get a bag of marshmallows and a pointed stick. =D

*scampers off*

Nadine
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[Art Campbell]

I'd second David's opinion and experience.

And as a beneficiary of one of Jeremy's free licenses during the last
tech crunch, it gave me a new tool and skill set and resulted in a
steady string of license purchases from companies that I've worked for
since then.

Good product, great support, and even better people.

Art

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On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:14 PM, David Spreadbury  wrote:
> Patrick,
> My opinion, and experience, with Mif2Go is just the opposite.
>
> I have been using Mif2Go for several years and have learned how to use the
> User's Guide. Yes, it takes a while to find things, sometimes, but this is
> because Mif2Go can do a lot.
>
> If you install Mif2Go and just take the default configuration file, you will
> get very close to the finished product. It won't have all the bells and
> whistles that you are probably looking for, that's where the book comes in,
> but you can get working HTML, CHM, Java, Oracle Help for Java, and others,
> "Right Out of the Box"!!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Fortino
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:32 AM
> To: framers
> Subject: RE:Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)
>
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> others.
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Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:15:42 -0400, Writer 
 wrote:

>Tell us another story from the old days, Grandpa.
>
>Nadine, who also could not resist ;-)

LOL!  Actually, I may get to be a great-grandpa soon, if my
grandson gets married as young as I did...  

And you *don't* want to get me started...  ;-)

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[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:15:42 -0400, Writer 
 wrote:

>Tell us another story from the old days, Grandpa.
>
>Nadine, who also could not resist ;-)

LOL!  Actually, I may get to be a great-grandpa soon, if my
grandson gets married as young as I did...  

And you *don't* want to get me started...  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Writer]

Tell us another story from the old days, Grandpa.

Nadine, who also could not resist ;-)

Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:32:12 -0600, Patrick Fortino  
> wrote:
>
>   
>> But imagine it's 1986 and you are in a computer store looking at 
>> computers.
>> 
>
> I can't resist.  ;-)  In 1986, I was working at a company that
> had pretty much standardized on Macs.  People loved them.  I had
> one of the older DOS boxes, with a special drive that allowed
> it to read and write Mac disks (for conversion purposes).  Macs 
> were so "special" other machines couldn't read the disks at all, 
> even at the record level, much less write to them.
>
>   
>> One the hand, you have DOS with it's blinking cursor waiting for  
>> instructions from you. If only you knew what those instructions were.
>> 
>
> Yes, it did call for knowing what you were doing.  ;-)  But
> so did the Mac.  How long did it take *you* to figure out that
> the way to eject a floppy, other than the paperclip taped to 
> every Mac, was to drag it to the Trash???  This was intuitive?  
>
>   
>> On the other hand, you have a Mac Plus, it's friendly face and graphic  
>> interface inviting you to experiment. Both computers will pretty much  
>> do what you want, the big difference being ease of use and cost. Macs  
>> were easier to use and cost a LOT more (I'm not trying to start a  
>> windows v mac battle here: I use both and think they are now pretty  
>> even on ease of use).
>> 
>
> Back then, Macs had another interesting feature.  If anything
> went wrong during a write to the floppy, a daily event, the
> entire disk became unusable.  You discovered this the next time
> you inserted your wonderful project, and the Mac offered to
> format the "damaged" disk for you.  You could literally hear
> the screams from one end of the office to the other.
>
> So on that DOS box, I studied the Mac filesystem on the disks.
> After a while I worked out the rules for it (Apple wouldn't
> tell you, unlike, say, IBM), and wrote a simple program to
> fix up a very common (and harmless) error made by the Mac if
> it wasn't totally done with the disk before it was removed.
> (It wasn't updating the free list until then, so a block just
> written would be in both the used and free lists, and the Mac 
> threw up its hands.  I just removed any used blocks from the 
> free list and updated it.)
>
> After a while there was a steady stream of folks with tearstained
> faces gingerly clutching a floppy coming to my desk.  It took a
> few seconds for my program to fix them up.  They went back to
> work on the easier-to-use system... much happier.  
>
> My point?  It's *not* that easier is worse.  It's that every
> tool has its use, and if you master them all, you are better
> off than those who limit themselves to one.  Even if you think
> it's the easiest.  ;-)
>
> And what did you expect, on Friday afternoon?  
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> http://www.omsys.com/
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[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:32:12 -0600, Patrick Fortino  
wrote:

>But imagine it's 1986 and you are in a computer store looking at 
>computers.

I can't resist.  ;-)  In 1986, I was working at a company that
had pretty much standardized on Macs.  People loved them.  I had
one of the older DOS boxes, with a special drive that allowed
it to read and write Mac disks (for conversion purposes).  Macs 
were so "special" other machines couldn't read the disks at all, 
even at the record level, much less write to them.

>One the hand, you have DOS with it's blinking cursor waiting for  
>instructions from you. If only you knew what those instructions were.

Yes, it did call for knowing what you were doing.  ;-)  But
so did the Mac.  How long did it take *you* to figure out that
the way to eject a floppy, other than the paperclip taped to 
every Mac, was to drag it to the Trash???  This was intuitive?  

>On the other hand, you have a Mac Plus, it's friendly face and graphic  
>interface inviting you to experiment. Both computers will pretty much  
>do what you want, the big difference being ease of use and cost. Macs  
>were easier to use and cost a LOT more (I'm not trying to start a  
>windows v mac battle here: I use both and think they are now pretty  
>even on ease of use).

Back then, Macs had another interesting feature.  If anything
went wrong during a write to the floppy, a daily event, the
entire disk became unusable.  You discovered this the next time
you inserted your wonderful project, and the Mac offered to
format the "damaged" disk for you.  You could literally hear
the screams from one end of the office to the other.

So on that DOS box, I studied the Mac filesystem on the disks.
After a while I worked out the rules for it (Apple wouldn't
tell you, unlike, say, IBM), and wrote a simple program to
fix up a very common (and harmless) error made by the Mac if
it wasn't totally done with the disk before it was removed.
(It wasn't updating the free list until then, so a block just
written would be in both the used and free lists, and the Mac 
threw up its hands.  I just removed any used blocks from the 
free list and updated it.)

After a while there was a steady stream of folks with tearstained
faces gingerly clutching a floppy coming to my desk.  It took a
few seconds for my program to fix them up.  They went back to
work on the easier-to-use system... much happier.  

My point?  It's *not* that easier is worse.  It's that every
tool has its use, and if you master them all, you are better
off than those who limit themselves to one.  Even if you think
it's the easiest.  ;-)

And what did you expect, on Friday afternoon?  

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[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:32:12 -0600, Patrick Fortino  
wrote:

>But imagine it's 1986 and you are in a computer store looking at 
>computers.

I can't resist.  ;-)  In 1986, I was working at a company that
had pretty much standardized on Macs.  People loved them.  I had
one of the older DOS boxes, with a special drive that allowed
it to read and write Mac disks (for conversion purposes).  Macs 
were so "special" other machines couldn't read the disks at all, 
even at the record level, much less write to them.

>One the hand, you have DOS with it's blinking cursor waiting for  
>instructions from you. If only you knew what those instructions were.

Yes, it did call for knowing what you were doing.  ;-)  But
so did the Mac.  How long did it take *you* to figure out that
the way to eject a floppy, other than the paperclip taped to 
every Mac, was to drag it to the Trash???  This was intuitive?  

>On the other hand, you have a Mac Plus, it's friendly face and graphic  
>interface inviting you to experiment. Both computers will pretty much  
>do what you want, the big difference being ease of use and cost. Macs  
>were easier to use and cost a LOT more (I'm not trying to start a  
>windows v mac battle here: I use both and think they are now pretty  
>even on ease of use).

Back then, Macs had another interesting feature.  If anything
went wrong during a write to the floppy, a daily event, the
entire disk became unusable.  You discovered this the next time
you inserted your wonderful project, and the Mac offered to
format the "damaged" disk for you.  You could literally hear
the screams from one end of the office to the other.

So on that DOS box, I studied the Mac filesystem on the disks.
After a while I worked out the rules for it (Apple wouldn't
tell you, unlike, say, IBM), and wrote a simple program to
fix up a very common (and harmless) error made by the Mac if
it wasn't totally done with the disk before it was removed.
(It wasn't updating the free list until then, so a block just
written would be in both the used and free lists, and the Mac 
threw up its hands.  I just removed any used blocks from the 
free list and updated it.)

After a while there was a steady stream of folks with tearstained
faces gingerly clutching a floppy coming to my desk.  It took a
few seconds for my program to fix them up.  They went back to
work on the easier-to-use system... much happier.  

My point?  It's *not* that easier is worse.  It's that every
tool has its use, and if you master them all, you are better
off than those who limit themselves to one.  Even if you think
it's the easiest.  ;-)

And what did you expect, on Friday afternoon?  

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[David Spreadbury]

Patrick,
My opinion, and experience, with Mif2Go is just the opposite.

I have been using Mif2Go for several years and have learned how to use the
User's Guide. Yes, it takes a while to find things, sometimes, but this is
because Mif2Go can do a lot.

If you install Mif2Go and just take the default configuration file, you will
get very close to the finished product. It won't have all the bells and
whistles that you are probably looking for, that's where the book comes in,
but you can get working HTML, CHM, Java, Oracle Help for Java, and others,
"Right Out of the Box"!!

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Fortino
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:32 AM
To: framers
Subject: RE:Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

Opinions are like... noses. Everyone has one, but some are bigger than  
others.

Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Yves Barbion]

Just charge "them" the time you spend (waste) on doing the job without the
right tools. I'm sure you will come up with a figure which is a multiple of
the price of MIF2Go (or even WebWorks ePublisher). Both MIF2Go and WebWorks
ePublisher are GREAT value for money.

There is no such thing as a free lunch, even when Jeremy is so generous as
to offer one. ;-)

Cheers

Yves Barbion
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On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Nancy Allison  wrote:

> Jeremy wrote:
>
> > I just checked in the FM7 book Sarah O'Keefe wrote, and it
> > appears Webworks *Standard*, the one Nancy was "required"
> > to use, does not even support HTML Help at all. You'd have
> > to use the regular HTML output, then create the index, toc,
> > project file, alias and map files by hand, or at best do it
> > with HTML Help Workshop, which is almost as bad.
>
>
> Right you are! Webworks 7.0 Standard simply chops up the Framemaker file
> into HTML files at the level you specify (ChapTitle, Heading1, Heading2) and
> also saves all your graphics as .gif files with major color and pixellation
> problems (and also restores all scaled drawings to their original, in some
> cases immense, proportions).
>
> You then load all these files into HTML Help Workshop and manually create a
> TOC, which includes typing in a name for each book and topic (I have only a
> couple hundred HTML files, so this didn't take too long. Not in comparison
> to the project I have coming up, anyway . . . )
>
> Now I  am trying to find out why my Note, Caution, and Warning icon
> graphics have become as big as tablecloths and what I can do about them.
>
> I see so many things I could make so much better if I had the time and the
> right tools, but alas, it is not to be.
>
> But wait! Jeremy wrote:
>
> If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
> "free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go. Nobody
> should have to go through that process to keep a job...
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>  http://www.omsys.com/
>
> Jeremy, do you really mean it? I would be thrilled. I think I could
> convince them to accept it. I think.
>
> --Nancy
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Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Art Campbell]

I'd second David's opinion and experience.

And as a beneficiary of one of Jeremy's free licenses during the last
tech crunch, it gave me a new tool and skill set and resulted in a
steady string of license purchases from companies that I've worked for
since then.

Good product, great support, and even better people.

Art

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> Patrick,
> My opinion, and experience, with Mif2Go is just the opposite.
>
> I have been using Mif2Go for several years and have learned how to use the
> User's Guide. Yes, it takes a while to find things, sometimes, but this is
> because Mif2Go can do a lot.
>
> If you install Mif2Go and just take the default configuration file, you will
> get very close to the finished product. It won't have all the bells and
> whistles that you are probably looking for, that's where the book comes in,
> but you can get working HTML, CHM, Java, Oracle Help for Java, and others,
> "Right Out of the Box"!!
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:32 AM
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[David Spreadbury]

Patrick,
My opinion, and experience, with Mif2Go is just the opposite.

I have been using Mif2Go for several years and have learned how to use the
User's Guide. Yes, it takes a while to find things, sometimes, but this is
because Mif2Go can do a lot.

If you install Mif2Go and just take the default configuration file, you will
get very close to the finished product. It won't have all the bells and
whistles that you are probably looking for, that's where the book comes in,
but you can get working HTML, CHM, Java, Oracle Help for Java, and others,
"Right Out of the Box"!!

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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:32 AM
To: framers
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[Jeff Coatsworth]

I'm quite partial to Ben Minson's Gryphon Mountain Journals 
(www.gryphonmountain.net)

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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:30 PM
To: List,? Techwriter; FrameUsers List; HATT at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Looking for popular high-quality tech writing blogs

(cross-posted to techwr, framers, and HATT)

Hi, guys...

My chapter's next program is on using wikis for document collaboration and 
Web2.0. Because it seems that blogs and wikis go hand in hand and they both 
fall under 2.0, I'm compiling a list of popular tech writing blogs that I'll be 
listing in my chapter's (NYMetro) next newsletter.

So...my question is, what are the leading tech writing blogs that I should 
mention in the newsletter. The one's that I have at this point are Tom 
Johnson's I'dRatherBeWriting, Anne Gentles juswriteclick (who happens to be our 
speaker), Scott Abel's Content Wranger, the Solitary Scrivener, and Lindsey's 
beyondwords.

Any others that you-guys like to hang out on?  Please...no links to blog 
lists...I can Google with the best of them. I want to know which one's YOU 
think are the good ones.

Thanks

--
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

NYMetro STC President
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Hi, guys...

My chapter's next program is on using wikis for document collaboration
and Web2.0. Because it seems that blogs and wikis go hand in hand and
they both fall under 2.0, I'm compiling a list of popular tech writing
blogs that I'll be listing in my chapter's (NYMetro) next newsletter.

So...my question is, what are the leading tech writing blogs that I
should mention in the newsletter. The one's that I have at this point
are Tom Johnson's I'dRatherBeWriting, Anne Gentles juswriteclick (who
happens to be our speaker), Scott Abel's Content Wranger, the Solitary
Scrivener, and Lindsey's beyondwords.

Any others that you-guys like to hang out on?  Please...no links to
blog lists...I can Google with the best of them. I want to know which
one's YOU think are the good ones.

Thanks

-- 
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

NYMetro STC President
"Register for our next event on wikis by going to
http://www.stcnymetro.org/events/notices/apr232009.htm

Looking for the next gig.

Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:37:06 -0500 (CDT), Nancy Allison 
 wrote:

>Jeremy, do you really mean it? I would be thrilled. 

Of course I mean it!  The next two posts will contain 
the password and download instructions.  (But we won't
CC the list with those, sorry folks!  If you're an
unemployed TW, or an underemployed consultant, write
to  with subject Mif2Go and you can
get one too.  We've been doing that for years.  ;-)

>I think I could convince them to accept it. I think.

They'd be fools not to agree to something that would 
save them a lot of money (for your extra time).  But we
already knew that about them.  So you can always *tell* 
them you used WWP and did some "cleanup", and bill them
accordingly, then use Mif2Go and do it all in an hour.
When they have the group secretary do the next update,
to save more money, they will find out what they were
demanding.  Perhaps.  ;-)

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[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:37:06 -0500 (CDT), Nancy Allison 
 wrote:

>Jeremy, do you really mean it? I would be thrilled. 

Of course I mean it!  The next two posts will contain 
the password and download instructions.  (But we won't
CC the list with those, sorry folks!  If you're an
unemployed TW, or an underemployed consultant, write
to  with subject Mif2Go and you can
get one too.  We've been doing that for years.  ;-)

>I think I could convince them to accept it. I think.

They'd be fools not to agree to something that would 
save them a lot of money (for your extra time).  But we
already knew that about them.  So you can always *tell* 
them you used WWP and did some "cleanup", and bill them
accordingly, then use Mif2Go and do it all in an hour.
When they have the group secretary do the next update,
to save more money, they will find out what they were
demanding.  Perhaps.  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Issues with Table Title?

[Yves Barbion]

Hi FrameMaker template designers

For graphics with captions, I use a dedicated table tag, and I see two ways
to do this:

   1. Put the graphic in the Heading row and the caption in the Body row.
   The caption and the graphic will always stay together and you can give the
   heading and body rows different ruling/shading. Obviously, when you resize
   the table column width, the text of the caption wraps nicely.
   2. Put the graphic in the body row and use a Table Title for the caption.
   This gives you the option to change the position of the Table Titles for all
   tables (above or below table). Sometimes, however, I have noticed that the
   "frame" (well, it's not really a "frame") which holds this Table Title does
   not automatically adjust itself to the width of the table.

I'd like to know which approach you use and whether you have had any
problems with either one of them in FrameMaker 7.2, 8 or 9, also when you
later convert your FM files to:

   - HTML-based output, using tools like MIF2Go, RoboHelp (TCS), WebWorks
   ePublisher etc.
   - DITA, where  is a child element of  and .


Thanks

-- 
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu

Table footnotes

[Peter Gold]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Martinek, Carla  
wrote:
> 
>
> Thank you! ?I should have known that...
>
> Problem solved.

Of course you knew it! You just forgot that you knew it. I only reminded you!

Regards,

Peter
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Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Richard Melanson]

 "If the client is merely trying to save money by using a "free" tool,
we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody should have to go through
that process to keep a job..."

This is what makes America great! Bravo!

Rick

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:54 AM
To: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

"If the client is merely trying to save money by using a "free" tool,
we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody should have to go through
that process to keep a job..."

(Standing ovation)...Kelly.


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jeremy H.
Griffith
Sent: Thu 4/16/2009 6:46 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:13:06 -0400, Jim Owens  wrote:

>Nancy mentioned that her client insists on Webworks 7, so all other 
>options are moot.
>
>Without knowing anything about the situation, I'd still venture that 
>it's not in her client's interest to use something that's been 
>discontinued. Can they be talked into a more sensible decision?

I just checked in the FM7 book Sarah O'Keefe wrote, and it appears
Webworks *Standard*, the one Nancy was "required"
to use, does not even support HTML Help at all.  You'd have to use the
regular HTML output, then create the index, toc, project file, alias and
map files by hand, or at best do it with HTML Help Workshop, which is
almost as bad.

If the client is merely trying to save money by using a "free" tool,
we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody should have to go through
that process to keep a job...

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Table footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

Thank you!  I should have known that...

Problem solved.

Carla



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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:42 AM
To: Martinek, Carla
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Table footnotes

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Martinek, Carla 
wrote:
> Is there a way to increase the spacing between the bottom line of the 
> table, and the text in a table footnote? My text appears to be right 
> up against the bottom of the table, and nothing I've tried can get it 
> to move.

The table footnote separator frame on the reference page controls the
spacing below the table, and the position of the separator line within
the frame.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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Anchored Frame Border

[Keith Smyth]

Select the anchored frame, go to the Display Tools Palette, click on
Set Pen Pattern, Select the color of the pen, then select the line 
width of the border.

Viola!




>Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:11:33 +0200
>From: "Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp" 
>Subject: set Aframe propertys (on import XML)
>
>Hi,

>Would anyone know if it is possible to set  the Frame propertys of an
>anchored frame (containing an imported graphic) - either by default or on
>import of an XML file?
>
>I would like to have the anchored frame a black border, but by default a
>frame has no border.
>
>Thanks .
>Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
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Table footnotes

[Peter Gold]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Martinek, Carla  
wrote:
> Is there a way to increase the spacing between the bottom line of the
> table, and the text in a table footnote? My text appears to be right up
> against the bottom of the table, and nothing I've tried can get it to
> move.

The table footnote separator frame on the reference page controls the
spacing below the table, and the position of the separator line within
the frame.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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Table footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

Is there a way to increase the spacing between the bottom line of the
table, and the text in a table footnote? My text appears to be right up
against the bottom of the table, and nothing I've tried can get it to
move.

-Carla

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Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Patrick Fortino]

Opinions are like... noses. Everyone has one, but some are bigger than  
others.

I respectfully disagree with SOME of the webworks bashing.

- It's true that Webworks has the worst support...on the planet. In  
fact, I wouldn't even call it support. Example, if you have trouble  
installing webworks, expect to pay for a support case to get help.  
What? Yes, you heard me correctly. And their installation instructions  
are lousy and obviously missing key information: specifically, no  
mention of the fact that your install will fail if you have multiple  
versions of frame on your machine, something I assume is pretty common  
with Frame users.

- the user guide is more like a functional specification than a user  
guide; it tells you about every function the program has, it just  
doesn't tell you how you might use them in the REAL world.

- They have a Draconian licensing structure. A real PIA.

- Webworks is a company I love to hate. If there were anything better  
and easier to use, I'd buy it in a minute.

Which leads to my disagreement. I don't think you can beat epublisher  
pro for ease-of-use. If you need to convert a frame doc AND you want  
to have a single source for content, and you have one day, epub will  
get you there quite nicely. There is no doubt that webworks software  
is a little quirky, but I've used it since 1998 and epub is a great  
improvement and VERY easy to use.

Example: I had a project with an engineering firm that wanted to  
convert a large suite of documents to html format, several thousand  
pages in all. Also, they wanted to be able to maintain this on their  
own once I got everything set up.

On the one hand, I could save them a LOT of money up front by buying  
Mif2go, and I downloaded it and spent several days reading and  
scratching my head. Sure, it would work.  But imagine it's 1986 and  
you are in a computer store looking at computers.

One the hand, you have DOS with it's blinking cursor waiting for  
instructions from you. If only you knew what those instructions were.

On the other hand, you have a Mac Plus, it's friendly face and graphic  
interface inviting you to experiment. Both computers will pretty much  
do what you want, the big difference being ease of use and cost. Macs  
were easier to use and cost a LOT more (I'm not trying to start a  
windows v mac battle here: I use both and think they are now pretty  
even on ease of use).

So, if you are a techie, the kind of person who likes UNIX command  
line, perl script, and is familiar with java scripts and code, you can  
probably get mif2go to do what you want, but it will take TIME and  
time = $.

If you are in a big hurry, or prefer a program that will give you  
great conversions, from scratch, in about 3 hours, epublisher is a  
better bet. Money = Saved Time.

For the engineering firm, I chose epublisher pro. If figured the days  
or weeks it would take us to figure out mif2go would offset the cost  
of webworks publisher.

I don't even consider Robo Help as it's not really a single source  
solution and I've ALWAYS hated the program's interface. I don't even  
like the name ;)

--
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RE:Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Writer]

I'm surprised with your install comments. I had no problem installing the last 
version of ePub, and I had two versions of FM on my computer. Do you mean 
updates or fresh installation?

I've never had to call about support, but WW is pretty responsive to questions 
on the Yahoo wwp user group.

But you are right about their documentation. Considering who their target 
market is, they could/should do a lot better than that. I think they rely a bit 
too heavily on actual users creating and uploading articles to their wiki.

Nadine

--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Patrick Fortino  wrote:

> From: Patrick Fortino 
> Subject: RE:Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)
> To: "framers" 
> Received: Friday, April 17, 2009, 12:32 PM
> Opinions are like... noses. Everyone has one, but some are
> bigger than  
> others.
> 
> I respectfully disagree with SOME of the webworks bashing.
> 
> - It's true that Webworks has the worst support...on
> the planet. In  
> fact, I wouldn't even call it support. Example, if you
> have trouble  
> installing webworks, expect to pay for a support case to
> get help.  
> What? Yes, you heard me correctly. And their installation
> instructions  
> are lousy and obviously missing key information:
> specifically, no  
> mention of the fact that your install will fail if you have
> multiple  
> versions of frame on your machine, something I assume is
> pretty common  
> with Frame users.
> 
> - the user guide is more like a functional specification
> than a user  
> guide; it tells you about every function the program has,
> it just  
> doesn't tell you how you might use them in the REAL
> world.
> 
> - They have a Draconian licensing structure. A real PIA.
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[Writer]

I'm surprised with your install comments. I had no problem installing the last 
version of ePub, and I had two versions of FM on my computer. Do you mean 
updates or fresh installation?

I've never had to call about support, but WW is pretty responsive to questions 
on the Yahoo wwp user group.

But you are right about their documentation. Considering who their target 
market is, they could/should do a lot better than that. I think they rely a bit 
too heavily on actual users creating and uploading articles to their wiki.

Nadine

--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Patrick Fortino  wrote:

> From: Patrick Fortino 
> Subject: RE:Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)
> To: "framers" 
> Received: Friday, April 17, 2009, 12:32 PM
> Opinions are like... noses. Everyone has one, but some are
> bigger than  
> others.
> 
> I respectfully disagree with SOME of the webworks bashing.
> 
> - It's true that Webworks has the worst support...on
> the planet. In  
> fact, I wouldn't even call it support. Example, if you
> have trouble  
> installing webworks, expect to pay for a support case to
> get help.  
> What? Yes, you heard me correctly. And their installation
> instructions  
> are lousy and obviously missing key information:
> specifically, no  
> mention of the fact that your install will fail if you have
> multiple  
> versions of frame on your machine, something I assume is
> pretty common  
> with Frame users.
> 
> - the user guide is more like a functional specification
> than a user  
> guide; it tells you about every function the program has,
> it just  
> doesn't tell you how you might use them in the REAL
> world.
> 
> - They have a Draconian licensing structure. A real PIA.

Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Lin Sims]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Nancy Allison  wrote:

> I see so many things I could make so much better if I had the time and the 
> right tools, but alas, it is not to be.
>
> But wait! Jeremy wrote:
>
>> If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
>> "free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go. Nobody
>> should have to go through that process to keep a job...
>
> Jeremy, do you really mean it? I would be thrilled. I think I could convince 
> them to accept it. I think.

He means it. Jeremy is one of the most stand-up guys you could ever
hope to meet.


-- 
Lin Sims

RE: Looking for popular high-quality tech writing blogs

[Jeff Coatsworth]

I'm quite partial to Ben Minson's Gryphon Mountain Journals 
(www.gryphonmountain.net)
  
Jeff Coatsworth
Documentation Specialist
Gary Jonas Computing Ltd.
905-886-0544
905-886-8511 (fax)
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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:30 PM
To: List, Techwriter; FrameUsers List; h...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Looking for popular high-quality tech writing blogs

(cross-posted to techwr, framers, and HATT)

Hi, guys...

My chapter's next program is on using wikis for document collaboration and 
Web2.0. Because it seems that blogs and wikis go hand in hand and they both 
fall under 2.0, I'm compiling a list of popular tech writing blogs that I'll be 
listing in my chapter's (NYMetro) next newsletter.

So...my question is, what are the leading tech writing blogs that I should 
mention in the newsletter. The one's that I have at this point are Tom 
Johnson's I'dRatherBeWriting, Anne Gentles juswriteclick (who happens to be our 
speaker), Scott Abel's Content Wranger, the Solitary Scrivener, and Lindsey's 
beyondwords.

Any others that you-guys like to hang out on?  Please...no links to blog 
lists...I can Google with the best of them. I want to know which one's YOU 
think are the good ones.

Thanks

--
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

NYMetro STC President
"Register for our next event on wikis by going to 
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RE: set Aframe propertys (on import XML)

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Yes Wim, you can set properties on import. See your FM Structured Dev Guide
for details on the Read/Write Rules options for your Structured Application



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Hi,

 

Would anyone know if it is possible to set  the Frame propertys of an
anchored frame (containing an imported graphic) - either by default or on
import of an XML file?

 

I would like to have the anchored frame a black border, but by default a
frame has no border.

 

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[Matt Sullivan]

Yes Wim, you can set properties on import. See your FM Structured Dev Guide
for details on the Read/Write Rules options for your Structured Application



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Hi,



Would anyone know if it is possible to set  the Frame propertys of an
anchored frame (containing an imported graphic) - either by default or on
import of an XML file?



I would like to have the anchored frame a black border, but by default a
frame has no border.



Thanks . 



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RE:Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Patrick Fortino]

Opinions are like... noses. Everyone has one, but some are bigger than  
others.

I respectfully disagree with SOME of the webworks bashing.

- It's true that Webworks has the worst support...on the planet. In  
fact, I wouldn't even call it support. Example, if you have trouble  
installing webworks, expect to pay for a support case to get help.  
What? Yes, you heard me correctly. And their installation instructions  
are lousy and obviously missing key information: specifically, no  
mention of the fact that your install will fail if you have multiple  
versions of frame on your machine, something I assume is pretty common  
with Frame users.

- the user guide is more like a functional specification than a user  
guide; it tells you about every function the program has, it just  
doesn't tell you how you might use them in the REAL world.

- They have a Draconian licensing structure. A real PIA.

- Webworks is a company I love to hate. If there were anything better  
and easier to use, I'd buy it in a minute.

Which leads to my disagreement. I don't think you can beat epublisher  
pro for ease-of-use. If you need to convert a frame doc AND you want  
to have a single source for content, and you have one day, epub will  
get you there quite nicely. There is no doubt that webworks software  
is a little quirky, but I've used it since 1998 and epub is a great  
improvement and VERY easy to use.

Example: I had a project with an engineering firm that wanted to  
convert a large suite of documents to html format, several thousand  
pages in all. Also, they wanted to be able to maintain this on their  
own once I got everything set up.

On the one hand, I could save them a LOT of money up front by buying  
Mif2go, and I downloaded it and spent several days reading and  
scratching my head. Sure, it would work.  But imagine it's 1986 and  
you are in a computer store looking at computers.

One the hand, you have DOS with it's blinking cursor waiting for  
instructions from you. If only you knew what those instructions were.

On the other hand, you have a Mac Plus, it's friendly face and graphic  
interface inviting you to experiment. Both computers will pretty much  
do what you want, the big difference being ease of use and cost. Macs  
were easier to use and cost a LOT more (I'm not trying to start a  
windows v mac battle here: I use both and think they are now pretty  
even on ease of use).

So, if you are a techie, the kind of person who likes UNIX command  
line, perl script, and is familiar with java scripts and code, you can  
probably get mif2go to do what you want, but it will take TIME and  
time = $.

If you are in a big hurry, or prefer a program that will give you  
great conversions, from scratch, in about 3 hours, epublisher is a  
better bet. Money = Saved Time.

For the engineering firm, I chose epublisher pro. If figured the days  
or weeks it would take us to figure out mif2go would offset the cost  
of webworks publisher.

I don't even consider Robo Help as it's not really a single source  
solution and I've ALWAYS hated the program's interface. I don't even  
like the name ;)

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Looking for popular high-quality tech writing blogs

[John Posada]

(cross-posted to techwr, framers, and HATT)

Hi, guys...

My chapter's next program is on using wikis for document collaboration
and Web2.0. Because it seems that blogs and wikis go hand in hand and
they both fall under 2.0, I'm compiling a list of popular tech writing
blogs that I'll be listing in my chapter's (NYMetro) next newsletter.

So...my question is, what are the leading tech writing blogs that I
should mention in the newsletter. The one's that I have at this point
are Tom Johnson's I'dRatherBeWriting, Anne Gentles juswriteclick (who
happens to be our speaker), Scott Abel's Content Wranger, the Solitary
Scrivener, and Lindsey's beyondwords.

Any others that you-guys like to hang out on?  Please...no links to
blog lists...I can Google with the best of them. I want to know which
one's YOU think are the good ones.

Thanks

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Re: Table footnotes

[Peter Gold]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Martinek, Carla  wrote:
> 
>
> Thank you!  I should have known that...
>
> Problem solved.

Of course you knew it! You just forgot that you knew it. I only reminded you!

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RE: Table footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

Thank you!  I should have known that...

Problem solved.

Carla

 

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On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Martinek, Carla 
wrote:
> Is there a way to increase the spacing between the bottom line of the 
> table, and the text in a table footnote? My text appears to be right 
> up against the bottom of the table, and nothing I've tried can get it 
> to move.

The table footnote separator frame on the reference page controls the
spacing below the table, and the position of the separator line within
the frame.

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Re: Table footnotes

[Peter Gold]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Martinek, Carla  wrote:
> Is there a way to increase the spacing between the bottom line of the
> table, and the text in a table footnote? My text appears to be right up
> against the bottom of the table, and nothing I've tried can get it to
> move.

The table footnote separator frame on the reference page controls the
spacing below the table, and the position of the separator line within
the frame.

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Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Nancy Allison]

Jeremy wrote: 

> I just checked in the FM7 book Sarah O'Keefe wrote, and it 
> appears Webworks *Standard*, the one Nancy was "required"
> to use, does not even support HTML Help at all. You'd have
> to use the regular HTML output, then create the index, toc,
> project file, alias and map files by hand, or at best do it
> with HTML Help Workshop, which is almost as bad.


Right you are! Webworks 7.0 Standard simply chops up the Framemaker file into 
HTML files at the level you specify (ChapTitle, Heading1, Heading2) and also 
saves all your graphics as .gif files with major color and pixellation problems 
(and also restores all scaled drawings to their original, in some cases 
immense, proportions).

You then load all these files into HTML Help Workshop and manually create a 
TOC, which includes typing in a name for each book and topic (I have only a 
couple hundred HTML files, so this didn't take too long. Not in comparison to 
the project I have coming up, anyway . . . )

Now I  am trying to find out why my Note, Caution, and Warning icon graphics 
have become as big as tablecloths and what I can do about them. 

I see so many things I could make so much better if I had the time and the 
right tools, but alas, it is not to be.

But wait! Jeremy wrote:

If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
"free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go. Nobody
should have to go through that process to keep a job...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
 http://www.omsys.com/

Jeremy, do you really mean it? I would be thrilled. I think I could convince 
them to accept it. I think.

--Nancy

Table footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

Is there a way to increase the spacing between the bottom line of the
table, and the text in a table footnote? My text appears to be right up
against the bottom of the table, and nothing I've tried can get it to
move.

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Re: Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Yves Barbion]

Just charge "them" the time you spend (waste) on doing the job without the
right tools. I'm sure you will come up with a figure which is a multiple of
the price of MIF2Go (or even WebWorks ePublisher). Both MIF2Go and WebWorks
ePublisher are GREAT value for money.

There is no such thing as a free lunch, even when Jeremy is so generous as
to offer one. ;-)

Cheers

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On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Nancy Allison  wrote:

> Jeremy wrote:
>
> > I just checked in the FM7 book Sarah O'Keefe wrote, and it
> > appears Webworks *Standard*, the one Nancy was "required"
> > to use, does not even support HTML Help at all. You'd have
> > to use the regular HTML output, then create the index, toc,
> > project file, alias and map files by hand, or at best do it
> > with HTML Help Workshop, which is almost as bad.
>
>
> Right you are! Webworks 7.0 Standard simply chops up the Framemaker file
> into HTML files at the level you specify (ChapTitle, Heading1, Heading2) and
> also saves all your graphics as .gif files with major color and pixellation
> problems (and also restores all scaled drawings to their original, in some
> cases immense, proportions).
>
> You then load all these files into HTML Help Workshop and manually create a
> TOC, which includes typing in a name for each book and topic (I have only a
> couple hundred HTML files, so this didn't take too long. Not in comparison
> to the project I have coming up, anyway . . . )
>
> Now I  am trying to find out why my Note, Caution, and Warning icon
> graphics have become as big as tablecloths and what I can do about them.
>
> I see so many things I could make so much better if I had the time and the
> right tools, but alas, it is not to be.
>
> But wait! Jeremy wrote:
>
> If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
> "free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go. Nobody
> should have to go through that process to keep a job...
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>  http://www.omsys.com/
>
> Jeremy, do you really mean it? I would be thrilled. I think I could
> convince them to accept it. I think.
>
> --Nancy
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Re: Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Lin Sims]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Nancy Allison  wrote:

> I see so many things I could make so much better if I had the time and the 
> right tools, but alas, it is not to be.
>
> But wait! Jeremy wrote:
>
>> If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
>> "free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go. Nobody
>> should have to go through that process to keep a job...
>
> Jeremy, do you really mean it? I would be thrilled. I think I could convince 
> them to accept it. I think.

He means it. Jeremy is one of the most stand-up guys you could ever
hope to meet.


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Re: Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Nancy Allison]

Jeremy wrote: 

> I just checked in the FM7 book Sarah O'Keefe wrote, and it 
> appears Webworks *Standard*, the one Nancy was "required"
> to use, does not even support HTML Help at all. You'd have
> to use the regular HTML output, then create the index, toc,
> project file, alias and map files by hand, or at best do it
> with HTML Help Workshop, which is almost as bad.


Right you are! Webworks 7.0 Standard simply chops up the Framemaker file into 
HTML files at the level you specify (ChapTitle, Heading1, Heading2) and also 
saves all your graphics as .gif files with major color and pixellation problems 
(and also restores all scaled drawings to their original, in some cases 
immense, proportions).

You then load all these files into HTML Help Workshop and manually create a 
TOC, which includes typing in a name for each book and topic (I have only a 
couple hundred HTML files, so this didn't take too long. Not in comparison to 
the project I have coming up, anyway . . . )

Now I  am trying to find out why my Note, Caution, and Warning icon graphics 
have become as big as tablecloths and what I can do about them. 

I see so many things I could make so much better if I had the time and the 
right tools, but alas, it is not to be.

But wait! Jeremy wrote:

If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
"free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go. Nobody
should have to go through that process to keep a job...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
 http://www.omsys.com/

Jeremy, do you really mean it? I would be thrilled. I think I could convince 
them to accept it. I think.

--Nancy

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Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Kelly McDaniel]

"If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
"free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody
should have to go through that process to keep a job..."

(Standing ovation)...Kelly.


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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:13:06 -0400, Jim Owens  wrote:

>Nancy mentioned that her client insists on Webworks 7, so all other 
>options are moot.
>
>Without knowing anything about the situation, I'd still venture that 
>it's not in her client's interest to use something that's been 
>discontinued. Can they be talked into a more sensible decision?

I just checked in the FM7 book Sarah O'Keefe wrote, and it 
appears Webworks *Standard*, the one Nancy was "required"
to use, does not even support HTML Help at all.  You'd have
to use the regular HTML output, then create the index, toc,
project file, alias and map files by hand, or at best do it
with HTML Help Workshop, which is almost as bad.

If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
"free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody
should have to go through that process to keep a job...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/
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RE: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)

[Kelly McDaniel]

"If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
"free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody
should have to go through that process to keep a job..."

(Standing ovation)...Kelly.


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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Usage of WebWorks (ePublisher)
 
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:13:06 -0400, Jim Owens  wrote:

>Nancy mentioned that her client insists on Webworks 7, so all other 
>options are moot.
>
>Without knowing anything about the situation, I'd still venture that 
>it's not in her client's interest to use something that's been 
>discontinued. Can they be talked into a more sensible decision?

I just checked in the FM7 book Sarah O'Keefe wrote, and it 
appears Webworks *Standard*, the one Nancy was "required"
to use, does not even support HTML Help at all.  You'd have
to use the regular HTML output, then create the index, toc,
project file, alias and map files by hand, or at best do it
with HTML Help Workshop, which is almost as bad.

If the client is merely trying to save money by using a
"free" tool, we'll *give* her a copy of Mif2Go.  Nobody
should have to go through that process to keep a job...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/
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Issues with Table Title?

[Yves Barbion]

Hi FrameMaker template designers

For graphics with captions, I use a dedicated table tag, and I see two ways
to do this:

   1. Put the graphic in the Heading row and the caption in the Body row.
   The caption and the graphic will always stay together and you can give the
   heading and body rows different ruling/shading. Obviously, when you resize
   the table column width, the text of the caption wraps nicely.
   2. Put the graphic in the body row and use a Table Title for the caption.
   This gives you the option to change the position of the Table Titles for all
   tables (above or below table). Sometimes, however, I have noticed that the
   "frame" (well, it's not really a "frame") which holds this Table Title does
   not automatically adjust itself to the width of the table.

I'd like to know which approach you use and whether you have had any
problems with either one of them in FrameMaker 7.2, 8 or 9, also when you
later convert your FM files to:

   - HTML-based output, using tools like MIF2Go, RoboHelp (TCS), WebWorks
   ePublisher etc.
   - DITA, where  is a child element of  and .


Thanks

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Yves Barbion
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