OT: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread David Creamer
If you already own a perpetual license version, you don't have to stop using it. But if you start out as a renter, you do. And if you own a perpetual license, such as CS6, and then rent CC as your new upgrade path, when you stop paying, there's a good chance that your current files will

RE: Setting up files for structured use

2013-07-17 Thread Dave.Stamm
2013-07-17-03T12:30Z Craig - Thanks so much for the info. I'll check it out. The problem of FrameMaker's not faithfully reading the rules file, wherever it is, looks like a deal breaker that, I'm sorry to say, gives me pause about continuing using FrameMaker. There's just so much

RE: Setting up files for structured use

2013-07-17 Thread Dave.Stamm
2013-07-17-03T12:55Z Matt - Thanks for the customary caution about protecting files. According to our custom, our source \ structapps.fm is in safekeeping on a server that is backed up. Regards, Dave Stamm Information Engineer From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com]

RE: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Combs, Richard
David Creamer wrote: If you already own a perpetual license version, you don't have to stop using it. But if you start out as a renter, you do. And if you own a perpetual license, such as CS6, and then rent CC as your new upgrade path, when you stop paying, there's a good chance that

OT: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread David Creamer
If you already own a perpetual license version, you don't have to stop using it. But if you start out as a renter, you do. And if you own a perpetual license, such as CS6, and then rent CC as your new upgrade path, when you stop paying, there's a good chance that your current files will

Re: OT: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Mike Wickham
Read my note again. I didn't say CS6 would stop working. I said that files created in the CC version may not always be backward compatible with CS6. Right now, I don't know if CC has introduced any features that create files that aren't backward compatible, but each new edition of Photoshop

Re: Setting up files for structured use

2013-07-17 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Hi Dave... I haven't followed this thread closely, but I have to say that is VERY unusual that there would be a problem with Maker faithfully reading the read/write rules file.  If that's what's happening, then there must be an error in your installation and/or setup of the configuration

RE: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Ummm ... I believe that his point was that, in time, the file format used by the ever-improving versions of CC would become unreadable in the existing, no longer upgraded version of CS6. It is a highly likely possibility. This is true for FrameMaker for example ... try reading FM 11 files in FM

RE: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Oops, my apologies too. Please ignore my last e-mail too - I responded to it before I saw this one from you and from others. Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer Sent: Wednesday, July

RE: Setting up files for structured use

2013-07-17 Thread Craig Ede
Fair enough. I misunderstood that state of things. BTW: My description is flawed about the structapps files. It does read the local one on the next load of FM. Craig From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:26 PM To: craig...@hotmail.com Cc:

Re: OT: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Grant Hogarth
David, it seems logical to me: if the CC licence is for version 6, and your CS version is 6, flies created with the cloud version won't be able to be opened with your local version. Just like you cannot open FM version 10 files in FM version 9. Grant On 7/17/2013 4:52 AM, David Creamer

Custom Ruling in Multiple Table Headings using Read write rules.

2013-07-17 Thread Lisa Freeman
I am using read write rules along with my EDD, etc. to convert XML to structured FrameMaker files. Is anyone familiar with using RW rules to control the row ruling within multiple heading rows? I am able to get the 2nd heading line in with a mix of xml tagging and my rules. What I'm having an

Re: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Robert Lauriston
So if you don't like the new licensing model, don't upgrade. I can't imagine much useful that Adobe's going to add to those apps that they don't do already. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Ummm ... I believe that his point

Re: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Matt Sullivan
…and please stop taking up bandwidth about an issue that has not been announced as an issue by the TCS team! -MattMatt R. Sullivanco-authorPublishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11P:714.798.7596 |C:714.585.2335 |m...@mattrsullivan.com@mattrsullivanLinkedInfacebookmattrsullivan.com On

Re: Custom Ruling in Multiple Table Headings using Read write rules.

2013-07-17 Thread Matt Sullivan
Lisa, have you tried assigning a table format rather than explicitly formatting the row? -MattMatt R. Sullivanco-authorPublishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11P:714.798.7596 |C:714.585.2335 |m...@mattrsullivan.com@mattrsullivanLinkedInfacebookmattrsullivan.com On Jul 17, 2013, at 10:09

FW: Google Groups Invitation: Technical Communicators for U.S. GovernmentAgency Documentation

2013-07-17 Thread Böðvar Björgvinsson
Or you can explain the necessity of subscribing to this group to your admins. :-) Bodvar On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Valerie Lipow wrote: > Well, Dave, perhaps you can subscribe to the list, if you are interested, > from a non-business device, off-premises, during personal hours. >

OT: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread David Creamer
> If you already own a perpetual license version, you don't have to stop > using it. But if you start out as a renter, you do. And if you own a > perpetual license, such as CS6, and then rent CC as your new upgrade > path, when you stop paying, there's a good chance that your current > files

Setting up files for structured use

2013-07-17 Thread dave.st...@gdc4s.com
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Setting up files for structured use

2013-07-17 Thread dave.st...@gdc4s.com
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Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Combs, Richard
David Creamer wrote: > > If you already own a perpetual license version, you don't have to stop > > using it. But if you start out as a renter, you do. And if you own a > > perpetual license, such as CS6, and then rent CC as your new upgrade > > path, when you stop paying, there's a good chance

OT: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread David Creamer
> If you already own a perpetual license version, you don't have to stop > using it. But if you start out as a renter, you do. And if you own a > perpetual license, such as CS6, and then rent CC as your new upgrade > path, when you stop paying, there's a good chance that your current > files

OT: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Mike Wickham
Read my note again. I didn't say CS6 would stop working. I said that files created in the CC version may not always be backward compatible with CS6. Right now, I don't know if CC has introduced any features that create files that aren't backward compatible, but each new edition of Photoshop

Setting up files for structured use

2013-07-17 Thread Chris Despopoulos
al breaker that, I'm sorry to say, gives me pause about continuing using FrameMaker.? There's just so much "pressure" to use other XML editor computer programs . . .. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/frame

Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Ummm ... I believe that his point was that, in time, the file format used by the "ever-improving" versions of CC would become unreadable in the existing, "no longer upgraded" version of CS6. It is a highly likely possibility. This is true for FrameMaker for example ... try reading FM 11 files

Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Oops, my apologies too. Please ignore my last e-mail too - I responded to it before I saw this one from you and from others. Z -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer Sent: Wednesday, July

OT: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Grant Hogarth
David, it seems logical to me: if the CC licence is for version >6, and your CS version is 6, flies created with the cloud version won't be able to be opened with your local version. Just like you cannot open FM version 10 files in FM version 9. Grant On 7/17/2013 4:52 AM, David Creamer

Custom Ruling in Multiple Table Headings using Read write rules.

2013-07-17 Thread Lisa Freeman
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Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Robert Lauriston
So if you don't like the new licensing model, don't upgrade. I can't imagine much useful that Adobe's going to add to those apps that they don't do already. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: > Ummm ... I believe that his point was that, in time,

Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

2013-07-17 Thread Matt Sullivan
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Custom Ruling in Multiple Table Headings using Read write rules.

2013-07-17 Thread Matt Sullivan
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2013-07-17 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann
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