RE: Best way to recover FrameMaker 7.2 files

[Harro de Jong]

Nandini Garud wrote:

 Is FrameMaker smart to look to copy of... files for latest
 info just as it
 asks to use the recover files instead? 


No, it's not. FrameMaker will look for Autosave and Recovery files, but
not for any others. 
I'm not clear on how you ended up with the files named Copy of... Did
you create a copy in Windows? In that case, the old book will NOT refer
to the Copy of... files. 

To find the differences between two documents, use the
File-Utilities-Compare Documents option in Frame. 

Harro de Jong
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RE: Find not finding

[Beck, Charles]

Hi Guy, 

OK, I checked with the writer in question, and he reported that what he
did was a copy-and-paste operation. But, to avoid the selection coming
in as an embedded Word object, he selected Paste as Special and then
selected the Text option. He was under the impression that that would
bring it in as plain (ASCII) text, but apparently not so. 

We are using Frame 7.0, so I can't say whether this same kind of problem
still exists in later versions. I rather suspect it does, though. 

Because we have a site license for Mif2Go, our writer is downloading and
trying Jeremy's Wash Via MIF plugin, even as we e-speak.

Personally, I have always just copied from Word, pasted into a temporary
Notepad doc, and then copied-and-pasted from there. That ensures that I
get clean text, though it does necessitate retagging the text copied in.
(However, since copying-and-pasting directly from Word usually
necessitates paragraph retagging anyway, this does not add that much
more to the process...) More time consuming, but safer, in my
experience. I haven't tried Jeremy's plugin yet.

HTH,
Chuck


-Original Message-
From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 PM
To: Beck, Charles
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find not finding

Charles--

Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into FrameMaker? 
  That is, was it opened with FileOpen and thus filtered in through
FrameMaker's own mechanisms?

And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an older
version involved?

Some of our team will be facing the Word-Frame conversion soon, and
when I shared your info with them, they asked.

--Thanks,
 Guy K. Haas
 Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Beck, Charles wrote:
 Hi again all,
  
 Just wanted to let you all know that I received several replies, 
 including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might be of general 
 interest to the rest of the group.
  
 The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any

 imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can 
 include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find 
 function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as MIF and then 
 reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem.
...
 Chuck

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RE: Need Help Mac to PC

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:16 PM +0200 5/22/06, Harro de Jong wrote:
And another (This is starting to sound like the Spanish inquisition
sketch from Monty Python): the PC FrameMaker version doesn't support the
Publish  Subscribe mechanism.

 Pict images from the Mac don't work on the PC side. EPS files with Pict 
previews should print okay, but will look like gray boxes.

- web
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RE: What do you use for PDF generation?

[Beck, Charles]

Hi Z,

You wrote: 

One other product I found while googling is www.pdf995.com! This has a
pretty outstanding price for the Enterprise license. Has anybody used
their stuff?

I have not used the enterprise version, but I used to use the regular
version of pdf995, and I loved it! It does a great job of producing
PDFs, and, as you say, the price is hard to beat. 

Chuck
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RE: What do you use for PDF generation?

[Ridder, Fred]

Setting up a watched folder on a network drive that can be 
accessed by more than one user is specifically prohibited
by the Acrobat EULA. It's not a matter of violating some 
copyright law, but it is certainly *not*permitted* under the
software license. Adobe does have licenses that permit this 
kind of operation, but those products cost thousands (rather 
than hundreds) of dollars.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
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Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF generation?

Hi,

Another possibility is to set up a network drive on a server that has
Distiller installed on it, and share the watched in-out folders. That
way,
many people can use one installation of Distiller. I guess it's possible
that
would violate some copyright law, so I'm only suggesting it based on
resolution of that issue. But I have seen it done, and it can work if
things
are kept in proportion. 

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www.zhando.com
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RE: Find not finding

[Beck, Charles]

Thanks, Shmuel, but I don't see a PureText option in the Paste Special
dialog box. The closest I can find is one labeled Text-but as I said,
that one is *not* the equivalent as pasting into Notepad and then
copying and pasting from there. That-the Text option-was the option we
were using that introduced the problem. 
 
Am I missing something here? 
 
Chuck
 



From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:04 AM
To: Beck, Charles
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find not finding


You can use PureText to paste the text in without formatting. It's
faster than pasting into Notepad, and is the equivalent.

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Beck, Charles wrote: 

Hi Guy, 

OK, I checked with the writer in question, and he reported that
what he
did was a copy-and-paste operation. But, to avoid the selection
coming
in as an embedded Word object, he selected Paste as Special
and then
selected the Text option. He was under the impression that
that would
bring it in as plain (ASCII) text, but apparently not so. 

We are using Frame 7.0, so I can't say whether this same kind of
problem
still exists in later versions. I rather suspect it does,
though. 

Because we have a site license for Mif2Go, our writer is
downloading and
trying Jeremy's Wash Via MIF plugin, even as we e-speak.

Personally, I have always just copied from Word, pasted into a
temporary
Notepad doc, and then copied-and-pasted from there. That ensures
that I
get clean text, though it does necessitate retagging the text
copied in.
(However, since copying-and-pasting directly from Word usually
necessitates paragraph retagging anyway, this does not add that
much
more to the process...) More time consuming, but safer, in my
experience. I haven't tried Jeremy's plugin yet.

HTH,
Chuck


-Original Message-
From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 PM
To: Beck, Charles
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find not finding

Charles--

Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into
FrameMaker? 
  That is, was it opened with FileOpen and thus filtered in
through
FrameMaker's own mechanisms?

And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an
older
version involved?

Some of our team will be facing the Word-Frame conversion soon,
and
when I shared your info with them, they asked.

--Thanks,
 Guy K. Haas
 Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Beck, Charles wrote:
  

Hi again all,
 
Just wanted to let you all know that I received several
replies, 
including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might
be of general 
interest to the rest of the group.
 
The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether
there was any



  

imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word
content can 
include hidden control characters that can interfere
with the Find 
function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as
MIF and then 
reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem.


...
  

Chuck



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RE: Find not finding

[Niels Fanøe]

I'm pretty sure he means this:
http://stevemiller.net/puretext/

-Niels 

- -Original Message-
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-  On Behalf Of Beck, Charles
- Sent: 22. maj 2006 16:49
- To: Shmuel Wolfson
- Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
- Subject: RE: Find not finding
- 
- Thanks, Shmuel, but I don't see a PureText option in the 
- Paste Special dialog box. The closest I can find is one 
- labeled Text-but as I said, that one is *not* the equivalent 
- as pasting into Notepad and then copying and pasting from 
- there. That-the Text option-was the option we were using 
- that introduced the problem. 
-  
- Am I missing something here? 
-  
- Chuck
-  
- 
- 
- 
- From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:04 AM
- To: Beck, Charles
- Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
- Subject: Re: Find not finding
- 
- 
- You can use PureText to paste the text in without formatting. It's
- faster than pasting into Notepad, and is the equivalent.
- 
- -- 
- Regards,
- Shmuel Wolfson
- 
- 
- 
- Beck, Charles wrote: 
- 
-  Hi Guy, 
-  
-  OK, I checked with the writer in question, and he reported that
- what he
-  did was a copy-and-paste operation. But, to avoid the selection
- coming
-  in as an embedded Word object, he selected Paste as Special
- and then
-  selected the Text option. He was under the impression that
- that would
-  bring it in as plain (ASCII) text, but apparently not so. 
-  
-  We are using Frame 7.0, so I can't say whether this same kind of
- problem
-  still exists in later versions. I rather suspect it does,
- though. 
-  
-  Because we have a site license for Mif2Go, our writer is
- downloading and
-  trying Jeremy's Wash Via MIF plugin, even as we e-speak.
-  
-  Personally, I have always just copied from Word, pasted into a
- temporary
-  Notepad doc, and then copied-and-pasted from there. That ensures
- that I
-  get clean text, though it does necessitate retagging the text
- copied in.
-  (However, since copying-and-pasting directly from Word usually
-  necessitates paragraph retagging anyway, this does not add that
- much
-  more to the process...) More time consuming, but safer, in my
-  experience. I haven't tried Jeremy's plugin yet.
-  
-  HTH,
-  Chuck
-  
-  
-  -Original Message-
-  From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
-  Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 PM
-  To: Beck, Charles
-  Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
-  Subject: Re: Find not finding
-  
-  Charles--
-  
-  Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into
- FrameMaker? 
-That is, was it opened with FileOpen and thus filtered in
- through
-  FrameMaker's own mechanisms?
-  
-  And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an
- older
-  version involved?
-  
-  Some of our team will be facing the Word-Frame conversion soon,
- and
-  when I shared your info with them, they asked.
-  
-  --Thanks,
-   Guy K. Haas
-   Software Exegete in Silicon Valley
-  
-  Beck, Charles wrote:
-
- 
-  Hi again all,
-   
-  Just wanted to let you all know that I received several
- replies, 
-  including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might
- be of general 
-  interest to the rest of the group.
-   
-  The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether
- there was any
-  
- 
-  
-
- 
-  imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word
- content can 
-  include hidden control characters that can interfere
- with the Find 
-  function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as
- MIF and then 
-  reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem.
-  
- 
-  ...
-
- 
-  Chuck
-  
- 
-  
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Re: Mailto URLs in FM

[Shlomo Perets]

Fred,

You wrote:


Note, however, that this command calls the e-mail client
via the browser, which may or may not be configured to
use the primary e-mail client. And some users object to
the fact that a browser window may open briefly before
an e-mail message window appears.


This applies to Acrobat/Reader 6 or earlier only.
Acrobat/Reader 7 and FrameMaker (all versions) activate the default e-mail 
client directly, without launching a browser first.



Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
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RE: Mailto URLs in FM

[Ridder, Fred]

Thanks for the update, Shlomo. It's always nice to learn that
some of the annoyances we've lived with for so long are actually
getting fixed.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
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From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:35 AM
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Fred,

You wrote:

Note, however, that this command calls the e-mail client
via the browser, which may or may not be configured to
use the primary e-mail client. And some users object to
the fact that a browser window may open briefly before
an e-mail message window appears.

This applies to Acrobat/Reader 6 or earlier only.
Acrobat/Reader 7 and FrameMaker (all versions) activate the default
e-mail 
client directly, without launching a browser first.


Shlomo Perets

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Re: Need Help Mac to PC

[Laura_J_Kirk]

Mary, I am using XP Pro and Frame 7 with virtually no problems.

I recommend you upgrade your Acrobat to vers. 7 Pro. My life has improved 
since I upgraded from vers. 5 to vers. 7, mostly because more and more 
people are using 7 and not saving down their versions.

You can use PC Postscript fonts, in fact things will go more smoothly for 
you if you have the same font families in the PC that you had on the Mac. 
Personally I use True Type exclusively, but this is because of a weird bug 
in Pagemaker that would not properly create PDFs for postscript fonts in 
linked graphics. Old habits die hard. Check adobe.com for info. on how to 
obtain the PC postscript fonts you need. They may even come with 
applications like Illustrator, if you use that too.

Good luck. The waters are troubled the first few weeks after moving to a 
PC, but using a PC isn't the hell some would have you believe.


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 
05/19/2006 12:11:11 PM:

 Hello Framers,
 I will soon be converting my Mac Frame 7 documents to Frame 7 on the 
 PC. My Mac is getting old and the organization wants the jobs on PC. 
 My documents are both published (web-press) from high resolution PDFs 
 and posted on the web as Web-ready PDFs. With no other help available 
 to me, I am seeking advice from the Frameuser group.
 
 Big issues:
 
 Operating system:  Looks like I might be getting Genuine Windows XP 
 Professional, SP2, with Media XPP2E. Will this system work with Frame 
 7.0 (already purchased)? Any known problems?
 
 Fonts: On the Mac I use only Adobe Postscript fonts (most often 
 Helvetica family) and have never had any problems.  What kind of 
 fonts should I buy for the PC that will always be reliable and 
 problem-free for printing and web? Font technology has changed since 
 my Mac fonts were purchased and my knowledge is not up-to-date.
 
 Acrobat issues:  I currently use Acrobat 5 on the Mac. Are there 
 issues with newer Acrobat versions, and which version will work with 
 Frame 7.0 on PC?
 
 Plug-ins:  I don't have any plugs-ins or other helpful software and 
 would like information about the most useful.
 
 I would like to make this transfer as smooth as possible and would 
 greatly appreciate any help that you would like to share - even 
 horror stories. Not wishing to clog up the Frame list, you may 
 respond to my e-mail address on these issues.  Please use the subject 
 line Need Help Mac to PC. Thanks for helping.
 
 Mary Haas
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RE: Find not Finding

[Petersen, Oran C]

On this forum a few months ago I learned that the problematic MS Word
hidden control character can be found and destroyed by typing \x0d
(zero, not Oh) in the find/change box and changing it to nothing. This,
for my purposes, seems to do the same thing as the MIF cycle described
below, and is faster. You will most likely find one of these characters
for each paragraph in the document. Whenever I open a Word file in
Frame, or paste content from Word, this find/change operation is the
first thing I do, and all is good after.

A second trick I often use is to Paste Special text, which also strips
the garbage from the incomer and keeps your Frame file cleaner.

Oran

Message: 12
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:51:23 -0400
From: Beck, Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Find not finding
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
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Hi again all, 
 
Just wanted to let you all know that I received several replies,
including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might be of general
interest to the rest of the group. 
 
The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any
imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can
include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find
function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as MIF and then
reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem. 
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Problem importing graphics created in Paint Shop Pro..

[Andy Kelsall]

Hello everyone,

   I'm editing graphics in PSP and importing them into a table in FM.
The problem is that all of the
graphics have a green hue or glow to them--like they're radioactive :).
These same graphics look fine inside
PSP and when viewed as thumbnails in Windows Explorer.

   As a sanity check, I tried editing one of the graphics in IrfanView
and it imported perfectly in FM. My
best guess is that PSP is adding some background info that FM is
mis-interpreting/mis-translating. Anyone
ever come across anything like this before?  Not sure if this matters, but
I'm importing them into an anchored frame
(and have tried importing by reference and copying them into the doc).

   As a sidenote, can anyone recommend any good web sites or
whitepapers on working with graphics?

Thanks,

Andy
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RE: Word Master (of disaster) docs....

[Grant Hogarth]

Oh, I agree... that flaw was the point I referenced obliquely (perhaps
too obliquely! g) in my initial post as the reason I almost did not
post the article.  It would not have been ethical to simplay have
redacted any reference to the original author's suggestion --though I
was tempted. smile

I also think this horse (topic) can be considered on the express route
to the glue factory.
Grant

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To: framers@FrameUsers.com
Cc: Grant Hogarth; Steve Rickaby
Subject: RE: Word  Long Docs (WAS re: Career advice-- focus on FM or
Word?)

Grant, all,

What Steve said is unfortunately true.  We tried it and it simply does
not work correctly. Reporting it to MS several times did not result in
any fixes.  Yes, they knew about it.  No, they did not know when it
would be fixed.  And I add, if ever.  Perhaps the information below
will explain why.

A few years ago, I managed a tech pubs department at a company in Palo
Alto, CA. We had a remote office in Redmond, WA, about half a mile from
the MS headquarters.  I hired two writers who had previously worked for
MS.  During the interviews, I mentioned that we used FM and they would
need to learn it.
They responded that they already knew FM because they used it at MS.

Yes, you read that correctly.  MS was using FM, not Word, to produce
large documents.  Now, however, I understand from a long-time member of
this list who just joined MS, that they are using a home-grown XML-based
authoring tool.  Based on that, I assume that MS is still not using Word
for long docs.  I expect that the product managers at MS are fully aware
of Word's limitations and know that the Word user community is too.
Unfortunately, there are many VPs who do not know this and attempt to
force their people to use Word for everything.  Only when major
deadlines are missed because the docs cannot be stabilized, do they
begin to realize that Word is not the be-all, end-all, and it is not
really free after all.

Diane

===

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 10:40 AM
To: framers@FrameUsers.com
Cc: Grant Hogarth
Subject: RE: Word  Long Docs (WAS re: Career advice-- focus on FM or
Word?)


At 08:34 -0600 19/5/06, Grant Hogarth wrote:

3. Use a Master Document

Afaik it is universally agreed in the Word community that master
documents are irretrievably broken

--
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Re: Problem importing graphics created in Paint Shop Pro..

[Art Campbell]

Hi Andy,

If you're going to print, .jpg is one of the poorer graphics formats
if you're going to print...
So you may want to try a different format or two just from that aspect.

Depending on your version of Frame (you don't specify), FM can import
a .pdf directly;
a .pdf it is a graphic file based on a PostScript description. To get
there from PSP,
assuming you have some version of Acrobat Distiller on your system, you have a
printer instance names something like Adobe PDF So from within PSP, you'd
select File  Print and specify the name of the Adobe printer
instance. Then in FM,
just do a File  Import (by reference) at the point you want it inserted.

If your version can't import .PDF, I'd try .PNG or a similar format
(depending on what
the graphic is, of course).

Cheers,
Art



On 5/22/06, Andy Kelsall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Art,

 I'm working with .JPG files. I'm not sure I follow you on
printing to a PDF file. If
I print the graphic to a .PDF, how do I import that image into FM if it's a
PDF file? Don't I
need a graphic file (such as JPG or PNG) to import into FM? Can you provide
some details?

Thanks,

Andy


On 5/22/06, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What graphic formats are you using?
 And have you tried printing from PSP to a .PDF file and importing that?
 Art



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  Hello everyone,
 
  I'm editing graphics in PSP and importing them into a table in
FM.
  The problem is that all of the
  graphics have a green hue or glow to them--like they're radioactive
:).
  These same graphics look fine inside
  PSP and when viewed as thumbnails in Windows Explorer.
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RE: How to de-select Cross-references

[Nandini Garud]

Using FrameMaker 7.2, unstructured.

This is how the files were transferred to the new location:

1. In Windows, 2000, from the My computer icon on the desktop, clicked and
went to the F (network) folder. The files were in CD5 folder 
CDNewOldFolder. The graphics and book files and the book were in this
folder. (Additional versions of book files were here. So to avoid confusion,
the following steps were taken by a dear friend. The agony of move...)
2. Created a new folder CD5 User Guide Files outside the CDNewOldFolder
folder in the F Folder (directly under the F folder)
3. From CD CD5NewOld folder, selected the files that were part of the book
and the book file, and moved it to the new folder.

Now the files in the new folder in which I am working and making changes to
the files point to the old files in the cross references. After changing all
the references to the new folder, no more broken cross-reference show.
Should I expect the cross references I add from now on to behave or start to
breaking to the old folder?

Resolution with your kind feedback:

1. Backup all folders to a CD.
2. Delete the old folder saved under old files folder.
3. rename the new folder to the old name CDNewOldFolder, keep the graphics
files this folder as they are.

Other small problems:

1. I kept the same names the files were save under in version 4.0 about four
years ago. Re-naming them while the book is open should be okay, right? Will
try it when all other problems are over.
2. One of the cross-references came up under the code name bumble bees for
a chapter name!

Thank you. I think I am on the right track by saving the book under the
original folder name.

Nandini


-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:35 PM
To: Nandini Garud
Subject: RE: How to de-select Cross-references

I find myself asking once again, How did you transfer the files
to the new location?  Was it from FrameMaker using Save As?
Or did you do it from Windows?  And if you did it from Windows,
what method did you use?  The behavior is *totally* different if
you do this kind of operation from FrameMaker vs. from Windows,
and there may be differences between different Windows mechanisms
as well.

Also, were the component files (e.g. chapters) in the same directory
as the corresponding .book files?  If not, that may be the root of your
problem.

The bottom line may be that the simplest way to fix your problem
is to forget about the existing .book files and simply build new ones
that reference the relocated component files. This should literally
be no more than 10 minutes effort for each book. If it were I, I'd
try this right now on one book that you know has issues to see
if it's a workable solution.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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Subject: How to de-select Cross-references

Dear Framers,

Because there were too many versions of the book files in the folder
Old-New on the network drive F, we created a new folder CD5 Book
Files
on the same network drive F and transferred the latest copies and the
book
to that folder. As Frame started looking for the graphics in the old
folder,
(duh!) we transferred the graphics folder there as well.

Now the cross-references (about 100 of them altogether) look to the
files in
the Old-New folder instead of the files in the new CD5 Book Files.
When
I go into Edit update references and choose the new folder CD5 Book
Files It works for the files outside the current chapter, but for the
current chapter, I have to go inside the file and choose the
cross-reference
and update it again. These are correct x-references, but the format for
the
cross-reference comes up as for chapter 4, although the reference is to
chapter 5, 6, 3...

After updating, when I check the reference, it's the same problem all
over
again.

Would it help to move the book to the Old-New folder? We saved it
under
CD5 Old Book Files.

After I chose save every 5 minutes in the preferences, auto copies
have
been created for the files I updated. FrameMaker prompts me whether I
want
to use those files as the latest saves may be there. Is this why my
cross-reference are not taking effect? When I selected edit  update
references from the files, I am directed to the file with the .auto
extension.

Should I delete the auto files and save the original files? Will the
cross-references work then and remain working?

Sorry for a detailed question.

Nandini



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RE: numbering conundrum

[Gillian Flato]

I had this problem too. To solve it, I turned on all conditions and
paragraph tags. I noticed that on the section that wasn't numbering
correctly, there was a weird symbol. So I converted the heading to Body
tag, saved the file, then re-applied the proper style. It fixed the
problem. 


Thanks,

Gillian Flato


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Subject: numbering conundrum

I have created a tag named SecID to identify sections in my book
chapters. 
It is set to autonumber according to the following format: S:Section 
$chapnum\=n+\sm. I have this tag set to start at the top of page and
I 
auto-apply a Custom Master Page to the page that uses this Section ID. 
This page is named SectionDivider. For sections 1 through 3, it is
working 
just beautifully - I get a page with Section 7-1, a page with section
7-2 
and page with Section 7-3.  Now, all of a sudden, when I go to apply
this 
tag to a page, the numbering is being reset to 7-1 and it won't change. 
After counting beautifully to 7-3, all I get no matter where I apply
this 
tag after Section 7-3 is Section 7-1. I don't get 7-4, 7-5, etc. and I
am 
beyond stumped. If I had messed with the paragraph numbering to restart,

then ALL the tags should be appearing as Section 7-1, but like I said,
7-1 
through 7-3 is working as expected.

Help  - I am stumped and I don't know how to begin to troubleshoot this.
I 
swear I am working with Word numbering!

thanks,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
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Best way to recover FrameMaker 7.2 files

[Harro de Jong]

Nandini Garud wrote:

> Is FrameMaker smart to look to "copy of..." files for latest
> info just as it
> asks to use the "recover" files instead? 


No, it's not. FrameMaker will look for Autosave and Recovery files, but
not for any others. 
I'm not clear on how you ended up with the files named "Copy of..." Did
you create a copy in Windows? In that case, the old book will NOT refer
to the "Copy of..." files. 

To find the differences between two documents, use the
File->Utilities->Compare Documents option in Frame. 

Harro de Jong

Printing CE character tcaron to PDF

[Harro de Jong]

Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) wrote :

> Hello all,
> 
> we managed to get the proper CE characters in FrameMaker
> (XML), but now the tcaron won't print to PDF. It prints to
> our postscript printer, but in the pdf there is an empty
> space. We print to adobe pdf (Acr. 6) printer. What can be
> the cause it won't print? Used font is HelveticaNeue55CE

Have you checked the font embedding settings of your PDF settings/job
options? 
Also check for licensing restrictions on the font, and the "do not send
fonts to 'Adobe PDF'" setting in the printing preferences of the PDF
printer. 

Harro de Jong

Need Help Mac to PC

[Harro de Jong]

Mary Haas wrote :

> Hello Framers,
> I will soon be converting my Mac Frame 7 documents to Frame 7 on the
> PC. My Mac is getting old and the organization wants the jobs on PC.
> My documents are both published (web-press) from high resolution PDFs
> and posted on the web as Web-ready PDFs. With no other help available
> to me, I am seeking advice from the Frameuser group.
> 
> Big issues:
> 
> Operating system:  Looks like I might be getting Genuine Windows XP
> Professional, SP2, with Media XPP2E. Will this system work with Frame
> 7.0 (already purchased)? Any known problems?

It'll work fine, no problems. 

> 
> Fonts: On the Mac I use only Adobe Postscript fonts (most often
> Helvetica family) and have never had any problems.  What kind of
> fonts should I buy for the PC that will always be reliable and
> problem-free for printing and web? Font technology has changed since
> my Mac fonts were purchased and my knowledge is not up-to-date.

Your best bet is to find Windows versions of the same fonts, or to
create those yourself using a font creation program like Fontographer. 

> 
> Acrobat issues:  I currently use Acrobat 5 on the Mac. Are there
> issues with newer Acrobat versions, and which version will work with
> Frame 7.0 on PC? 

Acrobat 7 works well with Frame 7, I'm not sure Acrobat 5 supports all
the features (mainly the File->Save as PDF command in FM). 

> I would like to make this transfer as smooth as possible and would
> greatly appreciate any help that you would like to share - even
> horror stories. 

The one thing that used to break when going from Mac to PC (we did this
a few years ago) is that in the Mac OS, you can use characters like \ in
filenames. Windows can't cope with \ (and a few others) in a filename.
If you edit a filename on the Mac and you use the Forward Delete key,
the filename might contain hidden characters which trip the PC. 
OK, two things: color management may also be an issue. I'm no expert on
this, but ISTR the Mac handles certain things better than Windows.
This'll be an issue more for the graphics than FrameMaker itself,
though. 
And another (This is starting to sound like the Spanish inquisition
sketch from Monty Python): the PC FrameMaker version doesn't support the
Publish & Subscribe mechanism. 


Harro de Jong

Searching for a Free Knockout Font

[DeFlorio, Dominick]

Hello Framers,

I'm looking for a free, sans serif, knockout font, with a similar look
as the Arial font.

I'm trying to get past using two different font attributes (color: white
or black) for callouts on dark, light and mottled backgrounds.  I
noticed in an old Troy-Bilt manual, that they successfully used a
knockout font on all types of backgrounds.  With this in mind, I
searched for a font with similar attributes but couldn't find a free
one.  Any ideas? 

Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389

What do you use for PDF generation?

[Bruce Kimball]

Hi,

Another possibility is to set up a network drive on a server that has
Distiller installed on it, and share the watched in-out folders. That way,
many people can use one installation of Distiller. I guess it's possible that
would violate some copyright law, so I'm only suggesting it based on
resolution of that issue. But I have seen it done, and it can work if things
are kept in proportion. 

Bruce Kimball
www.zhando.com

Find not finding

[Beck, Charles]

Hi Guy, 

OK, I checked with the writer in question, and he reported that what he
did was a copy-and-paste operation. But, to avoid the selection coming
in as an embedded Word object, he selected "Paste as Special" and then
selected the "Text" option. He was under the impression that that would
bring it in as plain (ASCII) text, but apparently not so. 

We are using Frame 7.0, so I can't say whether this same kind of problem
still exists in later versions. I rather suspect it does, though. 

Because we have a site license for Mif2Go, our writer is downloading and
trying Jeremy's "Wash Via MIF" plugin, even as we e-speak.

Personally, I have always just copied from Word, pasted into a temporary
Notepad doc, and then copied-and-pasted from there. That ensures that I
get clean text, though it does necessitate retagging the text copied in.
(However, since copying-and-pasting directly from Word usually
necessitates paragraph retagging anyway, this does not add that much
more to the process...) More time consuming, but safer, in my
experience. I haven't tried Jeremy's plugin yet.

HTH,
Chuck


-Original Message-
From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:g...@cliveden.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 PM
To: Beck, Charles
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find not finding

Charles--

Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into FrameMaker? 
  That is, was it opened with File>Open and thus filtered in through
FrameMaker's own mechanisms?

And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an older
version involved?

Some of our team will be facing the Word->Frame conversion soon, and
when I shared your info with them, they asked.

--Thanks,
 Guy K. Haas
 Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Beck, Charles wrote:
> Hi again all,
>  
> Just wanted to let you all know that I received several replies, 
> including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might be of general 
> interest to the rest of the group.
>  
> The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any

> imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can 
> include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find 
> function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as MIF and then 
> reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem.
...
> Chuck

Need Help Mac to PC

[Bill Briggs]

At 12:16 PM +0200 5/22/06, Harro de Jong wrote:
>And another (This is starting to sound like the Spanish inquisition
>sketch from Monty Python): the PC FrameMaker version doesn't support the
>Publish & Subscribe mechanism.

 Pict images from the Mac don't work on the PC side. EPS files with Pict 
previews should print okay, but will look like gray boxes.

- web

What do you use for PDF generation?

[Beck, Charles]

Hi Z,

You wrote: 

"One other product I found while googling is www.pdf995.com! This has a
pretty outstanding price for the Enterprise license. Has anybody used
their stuff?"

I have not used the enterprise version, but I used to use the regular
version of pdf995, and I loved it! It does a great job of producing
PDFs, and, as you say, the price is hard to beat. 

Chuck

Mailto URLs in FM

[Sharon Conroy]

Hi everyone,

I'm looking for a way to insert a mailto hyperlink for an email address in
FM and am failing miserably. FM offers an array of hypertext commands
(creating alert messages and the like...) but I can't find a means to
convert an email address to a hyperlink which pops up a mail window with the
address inserted in the 'To' field.

Any ideas?  Apologies in advance if I'm missing something really obvious!

TIA,

Sharon



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Mailto URLs in FM

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Sharon,

try this:

message URL mailto:support at yourcompany.com

Good luck.



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Mailto URLs in FM

[Nathan Cullen]

Hi Sharon,

Do this:

   1. Select the text you would like to make a hyperlink.
   2. Click Special -> Hypertext
   3. Select the Go to URL command.
   4. Enter message URL mailto:name at company.com

That should do if for you.

If you want the selected text to appear in blue you will have to 
attribute a blue paragraph format to the selected text.

Sharon Conroy wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm looking for a way to insert a mailto hyperlink for an email address in
> FM and am failing miserably. FM offers an array of hypertext commands
> (creating alert messages and the like...) but I can't find a means to
> convert an email address to a hyperlink which pops up a mail window with the
> address inserted in the 'To' field.
>
> Any ideas?  Apologies in advance if I'm missing something really obvious!
>
> TIA,
>
> Sharon
>
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What do you use for PDF generation?

[Mike Feimster]

>From what I understand, my company installs pdf995 on everyone's machine and
that is the default pdf maker for the company. (IDD, marketing and a few
others use Acrobat Pro.)

I have used it at home for simple PDFs and it works great. Never used it at
work.

Mike 

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[mailto:framers-bounces+mike.feimster=acstechnologies.com at lists.frameusers.c
om] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:50 PM
To: Bill Swallow
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF generation?

Hi, Bill.

Bill Swallow wrote:
> If you have enough people who need to create PDFs by corporate 
> mandate, look into setting up Adove Acrobat Elements. It's a volume 
> license solution that starts at 100 seats. Your entire company could 
> be set up to use this.

Thanks! You are the second person to refer to this product. I will look into
it, particularly since a few of us use Acrobat Pro and the products are
probably pretty similar in many regards - makes support easier.

One other product I found while googling is www.pdf995.com! This has a
pretty outstanding price for the Enterprise license. Has anybody used their
stuff?

Z

> On 5/21/06, Syed Zaeem Hosain  wrote:
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> Pardon the slightly unrelated to FrameMaker questions, but I am 
>> figure I am not too far off the mark here, since you all are likely 
>> to be very familiar with similar polices to what I describe here.
>>
>> We are standardizing on a new policy that documents/files sent "outside"
>> the company must be in PDF form only. No Word or Excel (typically) or 
>> FrameMaker (of course! :) ) files. And, obviously, it does not 
>> include text e-mail!
>>
>> This means that we must install PDF creation software on all our user 
>> computers ... including laptops and ones that may not be connected to 
>> the Internet at all times.
>>
>> Acrobat Professional is too expensive a solution for this, plus it is 
>> overkill for most of our employees. We have some people who only 
>> create documents and files in Word or Excel for example.
>>
>> Hence, my questions:
>>
>> 1. What are you all using for PDF file creation?
>>
>> 2. Does it allow forms? I.e., for external folks to fill in fields 
>> and send back the form!
>>
>> 3. What would you recommend we do, if you were setting up a similar 
>> policy?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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OT: autonumbering in Word

[tammy.vanboen...@jeppesen.com]

This has saved me much hell in auto-numbering and bullets in Word - 
http://www.tech-tav.com/macro.htm. They are free macros from tech-tav 
(authorIT producers) that automate autonumbering, bullets, etc. in Word. 
They work like a charm and they are based on Framemaker principles. All my 
developers here use Word and I have had all of them load these macros and 
we have been trouble-free in autonumbering, etc. for months now - no more 
frantic phone calls to come fix numbering when someone's document craps 
out or when, a simple edit or copy from one developer's document hoses 
another's! Once loaded, maintenance/interaction is darn near non-existent 
and for situations when you have no choice but to use Word, it has made 
life s much easier. I highly recommend them!

TVB

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Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com

What do you use for PDF generation?

[Ridder, Fred]

Setting up a watched folder on a network drive that can be 
accessed by more than one user is specifically prohibited
by the Acrobat EULA. It's not a matter of violating "some 
copyright law", but it is certainly *not*permitted* under the
software license. Adobe does have licenses that permit this 
kind of operation, but those products cost thousands (rather 
than hundreds) of dollars.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Bruce Kimball
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:50 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF generation?

Hi,

Another possibility is to set up a network drive on a server that has
Distiller installed on it, and share the watched in-out folders. That
way,
many people can use one installation of Distiller. I guess it's possible
that
would violate some copyright law, so I'm only suggesting it based on
resolution of that issue. But I have seen it done, and it can work if
things
are kept in proportion. 

Bruce Kimball
www.zhando.com

Find not finding

[Shmuel Wolfson]

   You can use PureText to paste the text in without formatting. It's faster
   than pasting into Notepad, and is the equivalent.
   --
   Regards,
   Shmuel Wolfson
   Beck, Charles wrote:

Hi Guy, 

OK, I checked with the writer in question, and he reported that what he
did was a copy-and-paste operation. But, to avoid the selection coming
in as an embedded Word object, he selected "Paste as Special" and then
selected the "Text" option. He was under the impression that that would
bring it in as plain (ASCII) text, but apparently not so. 

We are using Frame 7.0, so I can't say whether this same kind of problem
still exists in later versions. I rather suspect it does, though. 

Because we have a site license for Mif2Go, our writer is downloading and
trying Jeremy's "Wash Via MIF" plugin, even as we e-speak.

Personally, I have always just copied from Word, pasted into a temporary
Notepad doc, and then copied-and-pasted from there. That ensures that I
get clean text, though it does necessitate retagging the text copied in.
(However, since copying-and-pasting directly from Word usually
necessitates paragraph retagging anyway, this does not add that much
more to the process...) More time consuming, but safer, in my
experience. I haven't tried Jeremy's plugin yet.

HTH,
Chuck


-Original Message-
From: Guy K. Haas [[1]mailto:g...@cliveden.com]
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 PM
To: Beck, Charles
Cc: [2]framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find not finding

Charles--

Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into FrameMaker?
  That is, was it opened with File>Open and thus filtered in through
FrameMaker's own mechanisms?

And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an older
version involved?

Some of our team will be facing the Word->Frame conversion soon, and
when I shared your info with them, they asked.

--Thanks,
 Guy K. Haas
 Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Beck, Charles wrote:


Hi again all,

Just wanted to let you all know that I received several replies,
including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might be of general
interest to the rest of the group.

The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any




imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can
include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find
function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as MIF and then
reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem.


...


Chuck


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Find not finding

[Beck, Charles]

Thanks, Shmuel, but I don't see a PureText option in the Paste Special
dialog box. The closest I can find is one labeled Text-but as I said,
that one is *not* the equivalent as pasting into Notepad and then
copying and pasting from there. That-the Text option-was the option we
were using that introduced the problem. 

Am I missing something here? 

Chuck




From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:s...@actcom.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:04 AM
To: Beck, Charles
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find not finding


You can use PureText to paste the text in without formatting. It's
faster than pasting into Notepad, and is the equivalent.

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Beck, Charles wrote: 

Hi Guy, 

OK, I checked with the writer in question, and he reported that
what he
did was a copy-and-paste operation. But, to avoid the selection
coming
in as an embedded Word object, he selected "Paste as Special"
and then
selected the "Text" option. He was under the impression that
that would
bring it in as plain (ASCII) text, but apparently not so. 

We are using Frame 7.0, so I can't say whether this same kind of
problem
still exists in later versions. I rather suspect it does,
though. 

Because we have a site license for Mif2Go, our writer is
downloading and
trying Jeremy's "Wash Via MIF" plugin, even as we e-speak.

Personally, I have always just copied from Word, pasted into a
temporary
Notepad doc, and then copied-and-pasted from there. That ensures
that I
get clean text, though it does necessitate retagging the text
copied in.
(However, since copying-and-pasting directly from Word usually
necessitates paragraph retagging anyway, this does not add that
much
more to the process...) More time consuming, but safer, in my
experience. I haven't tried Jeremy's plugin yet.

HTH,
Chuck


-Original Message-
From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:guy at cliveden.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 PM
To: Beck, Charles
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find not finding

Charles--

Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into
FrameMaker? 
  That is, was it opened with File>Open and thus filtered in
through
FrameMaker's own mechanisms?

And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an
older
version involved?

Some of our team will be facing the Word->Frame conversion soon,
and
when I shared your info with them, they asked.

--Thanks,
 Guy K. Haas
 Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Beck, Charles wrote:


Hi again all,

Just wanted to let you all know that I received several
replies, 
including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might
be of general 
interest to the rest of the group.

The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether
there was any





imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word
content can 
include hidden control characters that can interfere
with the Find 
function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as
MIF and then 
reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem.


...


Chuck



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Mailto URLs in FM

[Ridder, Fred]

Note, however, that this command calls the e-mail client
via the browser, which may or may not be configured to
use the primary e-mail client. And some users object to 
the fact that a browser window may open briefly before
an e-mail message window appears.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Staff Information Services Analyst
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:48 AM
To: sharon.conroy at grahamtechnology.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; lisa.infocus at gmail.com
Subject: Re: Mailto URLs in FM

Hi Sharon,

try this:

message URL mailto:support at yourcompany.com

Good luck.



-- 
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Technical Writer
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor


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Find not finding

[Niels Fanøe]

I'm pretty sure he means this:
http://stevemiller.net/puretext/

-Niels 

-> -Original Message-
-> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of Beck, Charles
-> Sent: 22. maj 2006 16:49
-> To: Shmuel Wolfson
-> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: RE: Find not finding
-> 
-> Thanks, Shmuel, but I don't see a PureText option in the 
-> Paste Special dialog box. The closest I can find is one 
-> labeled Text-but as I said, that one is *not* the equivalent 
-> as pasting into Notepad and then copying and pasting from 
-> there. That-the Text option-was the option we were using 
-> that introduced the problem. 
->  
-> Am I missing something here? 
->  
-> Chuck
->  
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:sbw at actcom.com]
-> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:04 AM
-> To: Beck, Charles
-> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: Re: Find not finding
-> 
-> 
-> You can use PureText to paste the text in without formatting. It's
-> faster than pasting into Notepad, and is the equivalent.
-> 
-> -- 
-> Regards,
-> Shmuel Wolfson
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> Beck, Charles wrote: 
-> 
->  Hi Guy, 
->  
->  OK, I checked with the writer in question, and he reported that
-> what he
->  did was a copy-and-paste operation. But, to avoid the selection
-> coming
->  in as an embedded Word object, he selected "Paste as Special"
-> and then
->  selected the "Text" option. He was under the impression that
-> that would
->  bring it in as plain (ASCII) text, but apparently not so. 
->  
->  We are using Frame 7.0, so I can't say whether this same kind of
-> problem
->  still exists in later versions. I rather suspect it does,
-> though. 
->  
->  Because we have a site license for Mif2Go, our writer is
-> downloading and
->  trying Jeremy's "Wash Via MIF" plugin, even as we e-speak.
->  
->  Personally, I have always just copied from Word, pasted into a
-> temporary
->  Notepad doc, and then copied-and-pasted from there. That ensures
-> that I
->  get clean text, though it does necessitate retagging the text
-> copied in.
->  (However, since copying-and-pasting directly from Word usually
->  necessitates paragraph retagging anyway, this does not add that
-> much
->  more to the process...) More time consuming, but safer, in my
->  experience. I haven't tried Jeremy's plugin yet.
->  
->  HTH,
->  Chuck
->  
->  
->  -Original Message-
->  From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:guy at cliveden.com] 
->  Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 PM
->  To: Beck, Charles
->  Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
->  Subject: Re: Find not finding
->  
->  Charles--
->  
->  Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into
-> FrameMaker? 
->That is, was it opened with File>Open and thus filtered in
-> through
->  FrameMaker's own mechanisms?
->  
->  And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an
-> older
->  version involved?
->  
->  Some of our team will be facing the Word->Frame conversion soon,
-> and
->  when I shared your info with them, they asked.
->  
->  --Thanks,
->   Guy K. Haas
->   Software Exegete in Silicon Valley
->  
->  Beck, Charles wrote:
->
-> 
->  Hi again all,
->   
->  Just wanted to let you all know that I received several
-> replies, 
->  including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might
-> be of general 
->  interest to the rest of the group.
->   
->  The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether
-> there was any
->  
-> 
->  
->
-> 
->  imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word
-> content can 
->  include hidden control characters that can interfere
-> with the Find 
->  function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as
-> MIF and then 
->  reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem.
->  
-> 
->  ...
->
-> 
->  Chuck
->  
-> 
->  
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Mailto URLs in FM

[Shlomo Perets]

Fred,

You wrote:

>Note, however, that this command calls the e-mail client
>via the browser, which may or may not be configured to
>use the primary e-mail client. And some users object to
>the fact that a browser window may open briefly before
>an e-mail message window appears.

This applies to Acrobat/Reader 6 or earlier only.
Acrobat/Reader 7 and FrameMaker (all versions) activate the default e-mail 
client directly, without launching a browser first.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

Mailto URLs in FM

[Ridder, Fred]

Thanks for the update, Shlomo. It's always nice to learn that
some of the annoyances we've lived with for so long are actually
getting fixed.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlo...@microtype.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:35 AM
To: Ridder, Fred
Cc: Framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Mailto URLs in FM

Fred,

You wrote:

>Note, however, that this command calls the e-mail client
>via the browser, which may or may not be configured to
>use the primary e-mail client. And some users object to
>the fact that a browser window may open briefly before
>an e-mail message window appears.

This applies to Acrobat/Reader 6 or earlier only.
Acrobat/Reader 7 and FrameMaker (all versions) activate the default
e-mail 
client directly, without launching a browser first.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

Printing CE character tcaron to PDF

[laura_j_k...@bd.com]

I have fought the CE font battle for many months. I found a Knowledge Base 
article on Adobe.com that suggests this problem can be resolved by 
downloading the current version of Postscript from Adobe and installing it 
on your computer. (Try URL 
http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/324972.html if you wish to view the 
article yourself.)

I did this, and have been able to create PDFs containing all CE 
characters. The annoying part is, I have to choose different Postscript 
printers for different languages, one printer for Hungarian, a different 
one for Czech. Still, once I figured out which printer to use, the results 
are consistent.

Hope this helps.

ljk
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framers-bounces+laura_j_kirk=bd.com at lists.frameusers.com wrote on 
05/19/2006 11:03:54 AM:

> Hello all,
> 
> we managed to get the proper CE characters in FrameMaker (XML), but 
> now the tcaron won't print to PDF. It prints to our postscript 
> printer, but in the pdf there is an empty space. We print to adobe 
> pdf (Acr. 6) printer. What can be the cause it won't print? Used 
> font is HelveticaNeue55CE
> 
> thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards, 
> 
> Wim Hooghwinkel wimh at scriptware.nl 
> DTP and XML Management 
> 
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Need Help Mac to PC

[laura_j_k...@bd.com]

Mary, I am using XP Pro and Frame 7 with virtually no problems.

I recommend you upgrade your Acrobat to vers. 7 Pro. My life has improved 
since I upgraded from vers. 5 to vers. 7, mostly because more and more 
people are using 7 and not saving "down" their versions.

You can use PC Postscript fonts, in fact things will go more smoothly for 
you if you have the same font families in the PC that you had on the Mac. 
Personally I use True Type exclusively, but this is because of a weird bug 
in Pagemaker that would not properly create PDFs for postscript fonts in 
linked graphics. Old habits die hard. Check adobe.com for info. on how to 
obtain the PC postscript fonts you need. They may even come with 
applications like Illustrator, if you use that too.

Good luck. The waters are troubled the first few weeks after moving to a 
PC, but using a PC isn't the hell some would have you believe.


ljk
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framers-bounces+laura_j_kirk=bd.com at lists.frameusers.com wrote on 
05/19/2006 12:11:11 PM:

> Hello Framers,
> I will soon be converting my Mac Frame 7 documents to Frame 7 on the 
> PC. My Mac is getting old and the organization wants the jobs on PC. 
> My documents are both published (web-press) from high resolution PDFs 
> and posted on the web as Web-ready PDFs. With no other help available 
> to me, I am seeking advice from the Frameuser group.
> 
> Big issues:
> 
> Operating system:  Looks like I might be getting Genuine Windows XP 
> Professional, SP2, with Media XPP2E. Will this system work with Frame 
> 7.0 (already purchased)? Any known problems?
> 
> Fonts: On the Mac I use only Adobe Postscript fonts (most often 
> Helvetica family) and have never had any problems.  What kind of 
> fonts should I buy for the PC that will always be reliable and 
> problem-free for printing and web? Font technology has changed since 
> my Mac fonts were purchased and my knowledge is not up-to-date.
> 
> Acrobat issues:  I currently use Acrobat 5 on the Mac. Are there 
> issues with newer Acrobat versions, and which version will work with 
> Frame 7.0 on PC?
> 
> Plug-ins:  I don't have any plugs-ins or other helpful software and 
> would like information about the most useful.
> 
> I would like to make this transfer as smooth as possible and would 
> greatly appreciate any help that you would like to share - even 
> horror stories. Not wishing to clog up the Frame list, you may 
> respond to my e-mail address on these issues.  Please use the subject 
> line Need Help Mac to PC. Thanks for helping.
> 
> Mary Haas
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Need Help Mac to PC

[Dov Isaacs]

> -Original Message-
> From: frameusers.com 
>  On Behalf Of Harro de Jong
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 3:16 AM
> To: Mary Haas; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Need Help Mac to PC
> 
> Mary Haas wrote :
> ...
> > 
> > Fonts: On the Mac I use only Adobe Postscript fonts (most often
> > Helvetica family) and have never had any problems.  What kind of
> > fonts should I buy for the PC that will always be reliable and
> > problem-free for printing and web? Font technology has changed since
> > my Mac fonts were purchased and my knowledge is not up-to-date.
> 
> Your best bet is to find Windows versions of the same fonts, or to
> create those yourself using a font creation program like 
> Fontographer. 
>
> > 
> > Acrobat issues:  I currently use Acrobat 5 on the Mac. Are there
> > issues with newer Acrobat versions, and which version will work with
> > Frame 7.0 on PC? 
> 
> Acrobat 7 works well with Frame 7, I'm not sure Acrobat 5 supports all
> the features (mainly the File->Save as PDF command in FM). 
> 

I would most STRONGLY urge you not to even consider use
of programs such as Fontographer to "convert" fonts from
Macintosh to Windows. First issue is license. Many end user
license agreements actually prohibit you from performing
that type of conversion (Adobe's font licenses do not have
such a prohibition). But more importantly, even if you do 
know how to use a program such as Fontographer or Fontlab 
(and the learning curve is exceptionally steep on these),
these programs when used as "converters" are lossy, meaning
that the resultant "converted" fonts will be slightly 
different in both design and metrics. Bottom line is that
if exactly matching the fonts is important to you AND
your time is worth something, go out and license the
Windows versions of those fonts. By the way, you should
also consider OpenType fonts if you are changing fonts
anyway.

The connection between the latest Windows version of
FrameMaker and Acrobat is with Acrobat 6 and 7. If you
are making the investment in moving platforms, start
off without a hand tied behind your back using old
software versions.

- Dov

Mac to PC Help Thank You

[Mary Haas]

To all who have sent me advice about transferring Frame from Mac to 
PC, thank you.  Since this info was sent to my email address, not the 
listing, and some has extra information about resources, how shall I 
share it?  I'm sure there are plenty of other folks who will have to 
switch platforms. So I ask, could all the kind folks who sent me 
information, please send it to the main listing so it is available 
for others? Thank you again.

Mary Haas

Find not Finding

[Petersen, Oran C]

On this forum a few months ago I learned that the problematic MS Word
"hidden control character" can be found and destroyed by typing "\x0d"
(zero, not Oh) in the find/change box and changing it to nothing. This,
for my purposes, seems to do the same thing as the MIF cycle described
below, and is faster. You will most likely find one of these characters
for each paragraph in the document. Whenever I open a Word file in
Frame, or paste content from Word, this find/change operation is the
first thing I do, and all is good after.

A second trick I often use is to "Paste Special" text, which also strips
the garbage from the incomer and keeps your Frame file cleaner.

Oran

Message: 12
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:51:23 -0400
From: "Beck, Charles" 
Subject: RE: Find not finding
To: 
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Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Hi again all, 

Just wanted to let you all know that I received several replies,
including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might be of general
interest to the rest of the group. 

The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any
imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can
include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find
function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as MIF and then
reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem. 

Printing CE character tcaron to PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

The Adobe Knowledgebase article you refer to has nothing
to do with any problems associated with inability to print
CE characters. And it does not suggest that you can solve
anything by "downloading the current version of PostScript
from Adobe and installing it on your computer."

The article in question refers to a known problem in which
under certain circumstances portions of text on printed
pages or PDF pages simply do not show up. This problem is
not confined to any CE languages.

Furthermore, the article refers to the PostScript print
driver which is very different from "PostScript" itself.
Generally speaking, the problem referred to can most often
be masked by modification of the resolution setting for the
PostScript printer driver instance in question -- in the
case of creation of PDF, the "Adobe PDF" PostScript printer
driver instance.

- Dov



> -Original Message-
> From: frameusers.com 
>  On Behalf Of Laura_J_Kirk at bd.com
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:38 AM
> To: Framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Printing CE character tcaron to PDF
> 
> I have fought the CE font battle for many months. I found a 
> Knowledge Base article on Adobe.com that suggests this 
> problem can be resolved by downloading the current version of 
> Postscript from Adobe and installing it on your computer. 
> (Try URL http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/324972.html if 
> you wish to view the article yourself.)
> 
> I did this, and have been able to create PDFs containing all 
> CE characters. The annoying part is, I have to choose 
> different Postscript printers for different languages, one 
> printer for Hungarian, a different one for Czech. Still, once 
> I figured out which printer to use, the results are consistent.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> ljk
> 
> framers-bounces+laura_j_kirk=bd.com at lists.frameusers.com wrote on
> 05/19/2006 11:03:54 AM:
> 
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > we managed to get the proper CE characters in FrameMaker (XML), but 
> > now the tcaron won't print to PDF. It prints to our postscript 
> > printer, but in the pdf there is an empty space. We print to adobe 
> > pdf (Acr. 6) printer. What can be the cause it won't print? Used 
> > font is HelveticaNeue55CE
> > 
> > thanks!
> 

Problem importing graphics created in Paint Shop Pro..

[Andy Kelsall]

Hello everyone,

I'm editing graphics in PSP and importing them into a table in FM.
The problem is that all of the
graphics have a green hue or "glow" to them--like they're radioactive :).
These same graphics look fine inside
PSP and when viewed as thumbnails in Windows Explorer.

As a sanity check, I tried editing one of the graphics in IrfanView
and it imported perfectly in FM. My
best guess is that PSP is adding some background info that FM is
mis-interpreting/mis-translating. Anyone
ever come across anything like this before?  Not sure if this matters, but
I'm importing them into an anchored frame
(and have tried importing by reference and copying them into the doc).

As a sidenote, can anyone recommend any good web sites or
whitepapers on working with graphics?

Thanks,

Andy

Problem importing graphics created in Paint Shop Pro..

[Art Campbell]

What graphic formats are you using?
And have you tried printing from PSP to a .PDF file and importing that?
Art



On 5/22/06, Andy Kelsall  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm editing graphics in PSP and importing them into a table in FM.
> The problem is that all of the
> graphics have a green hue or "glow" to them--like they're radioactive :).
> These same graphics look fine inside
> PSP and when viewed as thumbnails in Windows Explorer.


-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

What do you use for PDF generation?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Actually I had to use it when Acrobat (5) failed. It handled
"non-standard" pages much better. I could highly recommend it, but
they aren't paying me any... ;-) . 

I believe there are some free out there, e.g. these open source:
http://www.reportlab.org/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
but I have not tried these.

Bodvar

On 5/22/06, Mike Feimster  wrote:
> >From what I understand, my company installs pdf995 on everyone's machine and
> that is the default pdf maker for the company. (IDD, marketing and a few
> others use Acrobat Pro.)
>
> I have used it at home for simple PDFs and it works great. Never used it at
> work.
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+mike.feimster=acstechnologies.com at 
> lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+mike.feimster=acstechnologies.com at 
> lists.frameusers.c
> om] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:50 PM
> To: Bill Swallow
> Cc: framers
> Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF generation?
>
> Hi, Bill.
>
> Bill Swallow wrote:
> > If you have enough people who need to create PDFs by corporate
> > mandate, look into setting up Adove Acrobat Elements. It's a volume
> > license solution that starts at 100 seats. Your entire company could
> > be set up to use this.
>
> Thanks! You are the second person to refer to this product. I will look into
> it, particularly since a few of us use Acrobat Pro and the products are
> probably pretty similar in many regards - makes support easier.
>
> One other product I found while googling is www.pdf995.com! This has a
> pretty outstanding price for the Enterprise license. Has anybody used their
> stuff?
>
> Z
> >
> >
>
> --
> 
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> |  Chief Technical Officer |
> |  |
> | Aeris.nettel: (408) 557-1905 |
> | 1245 South Winchester Blvd.  fax: (408) 557-1925 |
> | San Jose, CA 95128-3908.   Syed.Hosain at aeris.net |
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Weird link problem

[Gillian Flato]

Continuing in the saga of using numbered headings

I built my PDF and all of the numbers in the numbered heading, like
2.3.4 link to the proper section, but the title of that section does not
link. I want both the title and the numbers to link to the section.
Anyon know how to solve this problem?



Thanks,

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

NANOmetrics, Inc.

1550 Buckeye Dr.

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.435.9600 x 316

7  408.232.5911

* gflato at nanometrics.com  

Word & Master (of disaster) docs....

[Grant Hogarth]

Oh, I agree... that flaw was the point I referenced obliquely (perhaps
too obliquely! ) in my initial post as the reason I almost did not
post the article.  It would not have been ethical to simplay have
redacted any reference to the original author's suggestion --though I
was tempted. 

I also think this horse (topic) can be considered on the express route
to the glue factory.
Grant

-Original Message-
From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:dgcal...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:28 PM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Cc: Grant Hogarth; Steve Rickaby
Subject: RE: Word & Long Docs (WAS re: Career advice-- focus on FM or
Word?)

Grant, all,

What Steve said is unfortunately true.  We tried it and it simply does
not work correctly. Reporting it to MS several times did not result in
any fixes.  Yes, they knew about it.  No, they did not know when it
would be fixed.  And I add, "if ever."  Perhaps the information below
will explain why.

A few years ago, I managed a tech pubs department at a company in Palo
Alto, CA. We had a remote office in Redmond, WA, about half a mile from
the MS headquarters.  I hired two writers who had previously worked for
MS.  During the interviews, I mentioned that we used FM and they would
need to learn it.
They responded that they already knew FM because they used it at MS.

Yes, you read that correctly.  MS was using FM, not Word, to produce
large documents.  Now, however, I understand from a long-time member of
this list who just joined MS, that they are using a home-grown XML-based
authoring tool.  Based on that, I assume that MS is still not using Word
for long docs.  I expect that the product managers at MS are fully aware
of Word's limitations and know that the Word user community is too.
Unfortunately, there are many VPs who do not know this and attempt to
force their people to use Word for everything.  Only when major
deadlines are missed because the docs cannot be stabilized, do they
begin to realize that Word is not the be-all, end-all, and it is not
really "free" after all.

Diane

===

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 10:40 AM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Cc: Grant Hogarth
Subject: RE: Word & Long Docs (WAS re: Career advice-- focus on FM or
Word?)


At 08:34 -0600 19/5/06, Grant Hogarth wrote:

>3. Use a Master Document

Afaik it is universally agreed in the Word community that master
documents are irretrievably broken

--
Steve

Problem importing graphics created in Paint Shop Pro..

[Art Campbell]

Hi Andy,

If you're going to print, .jpg is one of the poorer graphics formats
if you're going to print...
So you may want to try a different format or two just from that aspect.

Depending on your version of Frame (you don't specify), FM can import
a .pdf directly;
a .pdf it is a graphic file based on a PostScript description. To get
there from PSP,
assuming you have some version of Acrobat Distiller on your system, you have a
printer instance names something like "Adobe PDF" So from within PSP, you'd
select File > Print and specify the name of the Adobe printer
instance. Then in FM,
just do a File > Import (by reference) at the point you want it inserted.

If your version can't import .PDF, I'd try .PNG or a similar format
(depending on what
the graphic is, of course).

Cheers,
Art



On 5/22/06, Andy Kelsall  wrote:
> Hello Art,
>
>  I'm working with .JPG files. I'm not sure I follow you on
> printing to a PDF file. If
> I print the graphic to a .PDF, how do I import that image into FM if it's a
> PDF file? Don't I
> need a graphic file (such as JPG or PNG) to import into FM? Can you provide
> some details?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 5/22/06, Art Campbell  wrote:
> > What graphic formats are you using?
> > And have you tried printing from PSP to a .PDF file and importing that?
> > Art
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/22/06, Andy Kelsall  wrote:
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > I'm editing graphics in PSP and importing them into a table in
> FM.
> > > The problem is that all of the
> > > graphics have a green hue or "glow" to them--like they're radioactive
> :).
> > > These same graphics look fine inside
> > > PSP and when viewed as thumbnails in Windows Explorer.
> > 
> >
> > --



-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

How to de-select Cross-references

[Nandini Garud]

Dear Framers,

Because there were too many versions of the book files in the folder
"Old-New" on the network drive F, we created a new folder "CD5 Book Files"
on the same network drive F and transferred the latest copies and the book
to that folder. As Frame started looking for the graphics in the old folder,
(duh!) we transferred the graphics folder there as well.

Now the cross-references (about 100 of them altogether) look to the files in
the "Old-New" folder instead of the files in the new "CD5 Book Files".  When
I go into Edit "update references" and choose the new folder "CD5 Book
Files" It works for the files outside the current chapter, but for the
current chapter, I have to go inside the file and choose the cross-reference
and update it again. These are correct x-references, but the format for the
cross-reference comes up as for chapter 4, although the reference is to
chapter 5, 6, 3...

After updating, when I check the reference, it's the same problem all over
again.

Would it help to move the book to the "Old-New folder?" We saved it under
"CD5 Old Book Files."

After I chose "save every 5 minutes" in the preferences, "auto" copies have
been created for the files I updated. FrameMaker prompts me whether I want
to use those files as the latest saves may be there. Is this why my
cross-reference are not taking effect? When I selected edit > update
references from the files, I am directed to the file with the .auto
extension.

Should I delete the auto files and save the original files? Will the
cross-references work then and remain working?

Sorry for a detailed question.

Nandini

How to de-select Cross-references

[Art Campbell]

Nandini,

Why don't you get a copy of Bruce Foster's Archive plug in, run it on
your original
book and use the files that the program includes in the archive directory.

http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/products.htm


Art

On 5/22/06, Nandini Garud  wrote:
> Dear Framers,
>
> Because there were too many versions of the book files in the folder
> "Old-New" on the network drive F, we created a new folder "CD5 Book Files"
> on the same network drive F and transferred the latest copies and the book
> to that folder. As Frame started looking for the graphics in the old folder,
> (duh!) we transferred the graphics folder there as well.
>
> Now the cross-references (about 100 of them altogether) look to the files in
> the "Old-New" folder instead of the files in the new "CD5 Book Files".  When
> I go into Edit "update references" and choose the new folder "CD5 Book
> Files" It works for the files outside the current chapter, but for the
> current chapter, I have to go inside the file and choose the cross-reference
> and update it again. These are correct x-references, but the format for the
> cross-reference comes up as for chapter 4, although the reference is to
> chapter 5, 6, 3...
>
> After updating, when I check the reference, it's the same problem all over
> again.
>
> Would it help to move the book to the "Old-New folder?" We saved it under
> "CD5 Old Book Files."
>
> After I chose "save every 5 minutes" in the preferences, "auto" copies have
> been created for the files I updated. FrameMaker prompts me whether I want
> to use those files as the latest saves may be there. Is this why my
> cross-reference are not taking effect? When I selected edit > update
> references from the files, I am directed to the file with the .auto
> extension.
>
> Should I delete the auto files and save the original files? Will the
> cross-references work then and remain working?
>
> Sorry for a detailed question.
>
> Nandini
>
>
>
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  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

numbering conundrum

[tammy.vanboen...@jeppesen.com]

I have created a tag named SecID to identify sections in my book chapters. 
It is set to autonumber according to the following format: S:Section 
<$chapnum>\=\sm. I have this tag set to start at the top of page and I 
auto-apply a Custom Master Page to the page that uses this Section ID. 
This page is named SectionDivider. For sections 1 through 3, it is working 
just beautifully - I get a page with Section 7-1, a page with section 7-2 
and page with Section 7-3.  Now, all of a sudden, when I go to apply this 
tag to a page, the numbering is being reset to 7-1 and it won't change. 
After counting beautifully to 7-3, all I get no matter where I apply this 
tag after Section 7-3 is Section 7-1. I don't get 7-4, 7-5, etc. and I am 
beyond stumped. If I had messed with the paragraph numbering to restart, 
then ALL the tags should be appearing as Section 7-1, but like I said, 7-1 
through 7-3 is working as expected.

Help  - I am stumped and I don't know how to begin to troubleshoot this. I 
swear I am working with Word numbering!

thanks,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com

How to de-select Cross-references

[Nandini Garud]

Using FrameMaker 7.2, unstructured.

This is how the files were transferred to the new location:

1. In Windows, 2000, from the "My computer" icon on the desktop, clicked and
went to the F (network) folder. The files were in CD5 folder >
CDNewOldFolder. The graphics and book files and the book were in this
folder. (Additional versions of book files were here. So to avoid confusion,
the following steps were taken by a dear friend. The agony of move...)
2. Created a new folder "CD5 User Guide Files" outside the CDNewOldFolder
folder in the F Folder (directly under the F folder)
3. From CD CD5NewOld folder, selected the files that were part of the book
and the book file, and moved it to the new folder.

Now the files in the new folder in which I am working and making changes to
the files point to the old files in the cross references. After changing all
the references to the new folder, no more broken cross-reference show.
Should I expect the cross references I add from now on to behave or start to
breaking to the old folder?

Resolution with your kind feedback:

1. Backup all folders to a CD.
2. Delete the old folder saved under "old files" folder.
3. rename the new folder to the old name CDNewOldFolder, keep the graphics
files this folder as they are.

Other small problems:

1. I kept the same names the files were save under in version 4.0 about four
years ago. Re-naming them while the book is open should be okay, right? Will
try it when all other problems are over.
2. One of the cross-references came up under the code name "bumble bees" for
a chapter name!

Thank you. I think I am on the right track by saving the book under the
original folder name.

Nandini


-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:fred.rid...@intel.com]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:35 PM
To: Nandini Garud
Subject: RE: How to de-select Cross-references

I find myself asking once again, "How did you transfer the files
to the new location?"  Was it from FrameMaker using Save As?
Or did you do it from Windows?  And if you did it from Windows,
what method did you use?  The behavior is *totally* different if
you do this kind of operation from FrameMaker vs. from Windows,
and there may be differences between different Windows mechanisms
as well.

Also, were the component files (e.g. chapters) in the same directory
as the corresponding .book files?  If not, that may be the root of your
problem.

The bottom line may be that the simplest way to fix your problem
is to forget about the existing .book files and simply build new ones
that reference the relocated component files. This should literally
be no more than 10 minutes effort for each book. If it were I, I'd
try this right now on one book that you know has issues to see
if it's a workable solution.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Nandini Garud
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:03 PM
To: arobotti at journalregister.com
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: How to de-select Cross-references

Dear Framers,

Because there were too many versions of the book files in the folder
"Old-New" on the network drive F, we created a new folder "CD5 Book
Files"
on the same network drive F and transferred the latest copies and the
book
to that folder. As Frame started looking for the graphics in the old
folder,
(duh!) we transferred the graphics folder there as well.

Now the cross-references (about 100 of them altogether) look to the
files in
the "Old-New" folder instead of the files in the new "CD5 Book Files".
When
I go into Edit "update references" and choose the new folder "CD5 Book
Files" It works for the files outside the current chapter, but for the
current chapter, I have to go inside the file and choose the
cross-reference
and update it again. These are correct x-references, but the format for
the
cross-reference comes up as for chapter 4, although the reference is to
chapter 5, 6, 3...

After updating, when I check the reference, it's the same problem all
over
again.

Would it help to move the book to the "Old-New folder?" We saved it
under
"CD5 Old Book Files."

After I chose "save every 5 minutes" in the preferences, "auto" copies
have
been created for the files I updated. FrameMaker prompts me whether I
want
to use those files as the latest saves may be there. Is this why my
cross-reference are not taking effect? When I selected edit > update
references from the files, I am directed to the file with the .auto
extension.

Should I delete the auto files and save the original files? Will the
cross-references work then and remain working?

Sorry for a detailed question.

Nandini



___

numbering conundrum

[Gillian Flato]

I had this problem too. To solve it, I turned on all conditions and
paragraph tags. I noticed that on the section that wasn't numbering
correctly, there was a weird symbol. So I converted the heading to Body
tag, saved the file, then re-applied the proper style. It fixed the
problem. 


Thanks,

Gillian Flato


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 3:23 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com; STC List
Subject: numbering conundrum

I have created a tag named SecID to identify sections in my book
chapters. 
It is set to autonumber according to the following format: S:Section 
<$chapnum>\=\sm. I have this tag set to start at the top of page and
I 
auto-apply a Custom Master Page to the page that uses this Section ID. 
This page is named SectionDivider. For sections 1 through 3, it is
working 
just beautifully - I get a page with Section 7-1, a page with section
7-2 
and page with Section 7-3.  Now, all of a sudden, when I go to apply
this 
tag to a page, the numbering is being reset to 7-1 and it won't change. 
After counting beautifully to 7-3, all I get no matter where I apply
this 
tag after Section 7-3 is Section 7-1. I don't get 7-4, 7-5, etc. and I
am 
beyond stumped. If I had messed with the paragraph numbering to restart,

then ALL the tags should be appearing as Section 7-1, but like I said,
7-1 
through 7-3 is working as expected.

Help  - I am stumped and I don't know how to begin to troubleshoot this.
I 
swear I am working with Word numbering!

thanks,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com
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