Re: Importing clear, sharp images

[Robert Lauriston]

If you have Illustrator objects embedded in PhotoShop images you're
placing in FrameMaker, the latter may not be smart enough to render
the Illustrator objects properly.

If you export a PSD as PNG and place that in FrameMaker, and it works
fine, then there's definitely something about the embedding.

You still haven't said whether you're seeing the degradation anywhere
except on screen in FrameMaker. It's not unusual for things to look
fine in output that don't look right in FM.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:
>
> Interesting ideas. I'm not going to quite that length between Illustrator and 
> Photoshop. What I create in Illustrator I just copy and paste into Photoshop 
> as a smart object. This removes any resolution discrepancies between the two.
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RE: Importing clear, sharp images

[Tim Pann]

Interesting ideas. I'm not going to quite that length between Illustrator and 
Photoshop. What I create in Illustrator I just copy and paste into Photoshop as 
a smart object. This removes any resolution discrepancies between the two.


From: David Spreadbury [dspre...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:47 PM
To: Tim Pann; John Sgammato
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

SnagIt can do all those things but not with the same flexibility one can get 
from using Illustrator, especially layers.
Secondly, when you export the file from illustrator to PSD, when you open it in 
Photoshop, why not use  the File > Save as Web function and specify PNG as the 
converted output. You can specify a specific resolution on the Illustrator 
export and Photoshop will retain that dpi al the way to the PNG. I do this all 
the time but create GIFs.
I have even tried the Save as Web from Illustrator, but it doesn't play well 
which is strange. Both Adobe products, both creating web-ready graphics. One 
works (PhotoShop), the other doesn't (Illustrator). I would think the same code 
could be used in both instances.



On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 6:33 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:


Several reasons to use Photoshop: 1) I add additional things to the pictures, 
like arrows and labels and callouts and circles and highlights etc., which I 
often generate in Illustrator; much easier to move these elements around when 
they reside on their own layer. 2) I generally make changes to things as I go. 
For both, it's nice to just change the PS image and hit save. Imported graphic 
updates automatically, I don't have to re-save in another format, etc.


From: David Spreadbury [dspre...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:27 PM
To: John Sgammato; Tim Pann
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

And why even bring photoshop into the picture? SnagIt will capture and save as 
PNG directly. That will give you the same quality of captures as what the 
reader would see on the screen.
No additional work required except possible resizing of screens that are larger 
than the image area of the document.



On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 6:19 PM, John Sgammato  
wrote:


SnagIt is up to v12. It has many excellent new features.
I consider it an essential tool of my trade. It is remarkably inexpensive for 
what it does for me every day.
I would definitely upgrade.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Tim Pann 
mailto:tp...@telecomsys.com>> wrote:
By the way, I'm using version 7 of SnagIt. Is there any reason in the current 
or any other context that I should spend the money to get the latest version?


From: Tim Pann
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:06 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; framers
Subject: RE: Importing clear, sharp images

For the PSD images I capture (SnagIt) the thing on the screen to clipboard and 
copy directly into Photoshop. So the source is definitely good.


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Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:18 PM
To: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

Are the PSD documents degraded in PDFs or only on screen in FrameMaker?

If the former, I'd say export to PNG. Resizing in FrameMaker by
changing DPI has no effect on image resolution.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Tim Pann 
mailto:tp...@telecomsys.com>> wrote:
> I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered
> and answered.
>
> Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick)
> for understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in
> FrameMaker? I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD
> files. They're all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize
> most of them and they're looking pretty choppy.
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Re: Importing clear, sharp images

[David Spreadbury]

SnagIt can do all those things but not with the same flexibility one can get 
from using Illustrator, especially layers.
Secondly, when you export the file from illustrator to PSD, when you open it in 
Photoshop, why not use  the File > Save as Web function and specify PNG as the 
converted output. You can specify a specific resolution on the Illustrator 
export and Photoshop will retain that dpi al the way to the PNG. I do this all 
the time but create GIFs.
I have even tried the Save as Web from Illustrator, but it doesn't play well 
which is strange. Both Adobe products, both creating web-ready graphics. One 
works (PhotoShop), the other doesn't (Illustrator). I would think the same code 
could be used in both instances. 
 


 On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 6:33 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:
   

 Several reasons to use Photoshop: 1) I add additional things to the pictures, 
like arrows and labels and callouts and circles and highlights etc., which I 
often generate in Illustrator; much easier to move these elements around when 
they reside on their own layer. 2) I generally make changes to things as I go. 
For both, it's nice to just change the PS image and hit save. Imported graphic 
updates automatically, I don't have to re-save in another format, etc.
From: David Spreadbury [dspre...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:27 PM
To: John Sgammato; Tim Pann
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

And why even bring photoshop into the picture? SnagIt will capture and save as 
PNG directly. That will give you the same quality of captures as what the 
reader would see on the screen.No additional work required except possible 
resizing of screens that are larger than the image area of the document.


On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 6:19 PM, John Sgammato  
wrote:


SnagIt is up to v12. It has many excellent new features. I consider it an 
essential tool of my trade. It is remarkably inexpensive for what it does for 
me every day. I would definitely upgrade. 
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:

By the way, I'm using version 7 of SnagIt. Is there any reason in the current 
or any other context that I should spend the money to get the latest version?


From: Tim Pann
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:06 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; framers
Subject: RE: Importing clear, sharp images

For the PSD images I capture (SnagIt) the thing on the screen to clipboard and 
copy directly into Photoshop. So the source is definitely good.


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Robert Lauriston 
[rob...@lauriston.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:18 PM
To: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

Are the PSD documents degraded in PDFs or only on screen in FrameMaker?

If the former, I'd say export to PNG. Resizing in FrameMaker by
changing DPI has no effect on image resolution.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:
> I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered
> and answered.
>
> Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick)
> for understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in
> FrameMaker? I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD
> files. They're all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize
> most of them and they're looking pretty choppy.
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RE: Importing clear, sharp images

[Tim Pann]

Several reasons to use Photoshop: 1) I add additional things to the pictures, 
like arrows and labels and callouts and circles and highlights etc., which I 
often generate in Illustrator; much easier to move these elements around when 
they reside on their own layer. 2) I generally make changes to things as I go. 
For both, it's nice to just change the PS image and hit save. Imported graphic 
updates automatically, I don't have to re-save in another format, etc.


From: David Spreadbury [dspre...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:27 PM
To: John Sgammato; Tim Pann
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

And why even bring photoshop into the picture? SnagIt will capture and save as 
PNG directly. That will give you the same quality of captures as what the 
reader would see on the screen.
No additional work required except possible resizing of screens that are larger 
than the image area of the document.



On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 6:19 PM, John Sgammato  
wrote:


SnagIt is up to v12. It has many excellent new features.
I consider it an essential tool of my trade. It is remarkably inexpensive for 
what it does for me every day.
I would definitely upgrade.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Tim Pann 
mailto:tp...@telecomsys.com>> wrote:
By the way, I'm using version 7 of SnagIt. Is there any reason in the current 
or any other context that I should spend the money to get the latest version?


From: Tim Pann
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:06 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; framers
Subject: RE: Importing clear, sharp images

For the PSD images I capture (SnagIt) the thing on the screen to clipboard and 
copy directly into Photoshop. So the source is definitely good.


From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 
[framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
 on behalf of Robert Lauriston 
[rob...@lauriston.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:18 PM
To: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

Are the PSD documents degraded in PDFs or only on screen in FrameMaker?

If the former, I'd say export to PNG. Resizing in FrameMaker by
changing DPI has no effect on image resolution.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Tim Pann 
mailto:tp...@telecomsys.com>> wrote:
> I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered
> and answered.
>
> Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick)
> for understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in
> FrameMaker? I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD
> files. They're all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize
> most of them and they're looking pretty choppy.
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Re: Importing clear, sharp images

[David Spreadbury]

And why even bring photoshop into the picture? SnagIt will capture and save as 
PNG directly. That will give you the same quality of captures as what the 
reader would see on the screen.No additional work required except possible 
resizing of screens that are larger than the image area of the document. 


 On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 6:19 PM, John Sgammato 
 wrote:
   

 SnagIt is up to v12. It has many excellent new features. I consider it an 
essential tool of my trade. It is remarkably inexpensive for what it does for 
me every day. I would definitely upgrade. 
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:

By the way, I'm using version 7 of SnagIt. Is there any reason in the current 
or any other context that I should spend the money to get the latest version?


From: Tim Pann
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:06 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; framers
Subject: RE: Importing clear, sharp images

For the PSD images I capture (SnagIt) the thing on the screen to clipboard and 
copy directly into Photoshop. So the source is definitely good.


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Robert Lauriston 
[rob...@lauriston.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:18 PM
To: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

Are the PSD documents degraded in PDFs or only on screen in FrameMaker?

If the former, I'd say export to PNG. Resizing in FrameMaker by
changing DPI has no effect on image resolution.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:
> I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered
> and answered.
>
> Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick)
> for understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in
> FrameMaker? I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD
> files. They're all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize
> most of them and they're looking pretty choppy.
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Re: Importing clear, sharp images

[John Sgammato]

SnagIt is up to v12. It has many excellent new features.
I consider it an essential tool of my trade. It is remarkably inexpensive
for what it does for me every day.
I would definitely upgrade.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:

> By the way, I'm using version 7 of SnagIt. Is there any reason in the
> current or any other context that I should spend the money to get the
> latest version?
>
> 
> From: Tim Pann
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:06 PM
> To: Robert Lauriston; framers
> Subject: RE: Importing clear, sharp images
>
> For the PSD images I capture (SnagIt) the thing on the screen to clipboard
> and copy directly into Photoshop. So the source is definitely good.
>
> 
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Robert Lauriston [
> rob...@lauriston.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:18 PM
> To: framers
> Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images
>
> Are the PSD documents degraded in PDFs or only on screen in FrameMaker?
>
> If the former, I'd say export to PNG. Resizing in FrameMaker by
> changing DPI has no effect on image resolution.
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:
> > I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered
> > and answered.
> >
> > Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's
> quick)
> > for understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in
> > FrameMaker? I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing
> PSD
> > files. They're all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize
> > most of them and they're looking pretty choppy.
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RE: Importing clear, sharp images

[Tim Pann]

By the way, I'm using version 7 of SnagIt. Is there any reason in the current 
or any other context that I should spend the money to get the latest version?


From: Tim Pann
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:06 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; framers
Subject: RE: Importing clear, sharp images

For the PSD images I capture (SnagIt) the thing on the screen to clipboard and 
copy directly into Photoshop. So the source is definitely good.


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Robert Lauriston 
[rob...@lauriston.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:18 PM
To: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

Are the PSD documents degraded in PDFs or only on screen in FrameMaker?

If the former, I'd say export to PNG. Resizing in FrameMaker by
changing DPI has no effect on image resolution.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:
> I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered
> and answered.
>
> Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick)
> for understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in
> FrameMaker? I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD
> files. They're all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize
> most of them and they're looking pretty choppy.
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RE: Importing clear, sharp images

[Tim Pann]

For the PSD images I capture (SnagIt) the thing on the screen to clipboard and 
copy directly into Photoshop. So the source is definitely good.


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Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:18 PM
To: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

Are the PSD documents degraded in PDFs or only on screen in FrameMaker?

If the former, I'd say export to PNG. Resizing in FrameMaker by
changing DPI has no effect on image resolution.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:
> I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered
> and answered.
>
> Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick)
> for understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in
> FrameMaker? I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD
> files. They're all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize
> most of them and they're looking pretty choppy.
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Re: Importing clear, sharp images

[Steve Rickaby]

Sean Brierley's document might help:



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Re: Importing clear, sharp images

[Robert Lauriston]

Are the PSD documents degraded in PDFs or only on screen in FrameMaker?

If the former, I'd say export to PNG. Resizing in FrameMaker by
changing DPI has no effect on image resolution.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:
> I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered
> and answered.
>
> Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick)
> for understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in
> FrameMaker? I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD
> files. They're all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize
> most of them and they're looking pretty choppy.
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RE: Importing clear, sharp images

[Fred Ridder]

To quote the classic TV commercial: Stop! You're both right!

When speaking of raster images, the resolution is the *number* of pixels. It is 
*not* the pixel pitch, whihc ius what we're used to thinking of as "resolution" 
when we talk about monitors or printers. 

What Richard is saying is precisely the advice you've always heard. The 
resolution--the number of pixels--should always remain the same for the best 
results. Changing the reproduced size changes the pixel *pitch* but does not 
change the *number* of pixels. The thing you do *not* want to do is resample 
the image to change the number of pixels (the resolution); this *always* 
degrades the quality of the image, anthough the degree of degradation can vary 
widely depending on the ratio of the two resolutions and the algorithm being 
used for the resampling or downsampling.

And getting the size correct is actually very simple as long as you know how to 
use a calculator. If you have an image that is 1328 pixels wide, and you need 
it to fit in a frame that is 3.25 inches wide, you need to set the dpi (the 
pixel pitch) to 1328/3.25 ≈ 409. In this case you can actually set the size 
with 0.25% (one part in 400) accuracy.

-Fred Ridder

From: tp...@telecomsys.com
To: richard.co...@polycom.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Importing clear, sharp images
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 21:30:04 +







OK this is very interesting. I was under the assumption that you should keep 
the resolution of the picture at the resolution of the screen, and then import 
it in also at that resolution.
 I was not aware that changing the import resolution was advisable.



Off top of my head this seems like it would be difficult to get just the right 
resolution on the first try giving a particular anchored frame size. Do you 
have some clever method for getting the resolution right the first time?



Tim



From: Combs, Richard (CW) [richard.co...@polycom.com]

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:24 PM

To: Tim Pann; framers

Subject: RE: Importing clear, sharp images







Don’t resize your screen captures! Save as PNG exactly as captured. When you 
import them into FM, specify the appropriate DPI setting to make them the size
 you want on the page. 
 


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Tim Pann

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:11 PM

To: framers

Subject: Importing clear, sharp images


 






I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered and 
answered.


 


Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick) for 
understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in FrameMaker? 
I'm working
 on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD files. They're all screen 
captures of a user interface. I have to resize most of them and they're looking 
pretty choppy. I switched to a TIF image for one and that didn't help.


 


I know that TIFF is the preferred format (not sure about PSD but many of my PSD 
imports look nice) but I don't know if there are specific guidelines or 
recommendations about
 resolution, resizing once imported, etc.


 


I'm happy to provide more information about what I'm doing if needed. No idea 
what's relevant and what's not.


 


Thank you,


Tim






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Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not allowing the same file more than once?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 22:46 +0100 17/6/15, Steve Rickaby wrote:

>At 11:54 -0400 17/6/15,  wrote:
>
>>Why?
>
>In case it proves flaky to do it in FrameMaker.

Sorry, not a good answer. Let me elaborate. As I understand it, you want to 
include the same content multiple times in a book. FrameMaker might make that 
tricky unless you have, as has already been suggested (Monica?), multiple book 
files with different names but with the same content.

If you follow this approach, it should all work and only leave you with the 
issue of being confident that the included content is always identical. 
However, you only want to have to edit that content in one place. Hence a 
master document for the multiply included content, and some convenient means 
outside FrameMaker that ensures that edits to the master content are always 
propagated to multiple included clones.

Gets you around using text insets, although I'd probably try that also if the 
cloned content is short.

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RE: Importing clear, sharp images

[Combs, Richard (CW)]

No, if you import at screen resolution, you're almost always throwing away 
pixels. Your screen captures typically have to be shrunk to fit on the page in 
your doc. You want to shrink them by squeezing the existing pixels closer 
together, not by throwing some of them away.

When you import a screen shot into FM, the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog 
offers Fit in Selected Rectangle. I don't generally use that, but if you're 
creating the anchored frame first, you might want to try it. I prefer to 
specify a nice round dpi (dots per inch) number that goes evenly into the 
typical laser printer resolutions (probably less important today, but old 
habits die hard).

The Imported Graphic Scaling dialog also offers several common dpi options 
(with the dimensions on the page resulting from that dpi setting), and Custom 
dpi. It also shows you the pixel dimensions of the file you're importing. If 
none of the listed common dpi settings result in a size you can use, the math 
to get exactly what you want isn't hard. If the file is, say, 960 pixels wide, 
and you want it to fit exactly into a 6" wide frame on the page, divide 960 by 
6. Set Custom dpi to the result, 160, and you should have a nice, sharp 6" wide 
screen shot in your doc.

From: Tim Pann [mailto:tp...@telecomsys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:30 PM
To: Combs, Richard (CW); framers
Subject: RE: Importing clear, sharp images

OK this is very interesting. I was under the assumption that you should keep 
the resolution of the picture at the resolution of the screen, and then import 
it in also at that resolution. I was not aware that changing the import 
resolution was advisable.

Off top of my head this seems like it would be difficult to get just the right 
resolution on the first try giving a particular anchored frame size. Do you 
have some clever method for getting the resolution right the first time?

Tim

From: Combs, Richard (CW) [richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:24 PM
To: Tim Pann; framers
Subject: RE: Importing clear, sharp images
Don't resize your screen captures! Save as PNG exactly as captured. When you 
import them into FM, specify the appropriate DPI setting to make them the size 
you want on the page.

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tim Pann
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:11 PM
To: framers
Subject: Importing clear, sharp images

I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered and 
answered.

Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick) for 
understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in FrameMaker? 
I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD files. They're 
all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize most of them and 
they're looking pretty choppy. I switched to a TIF image for one and that 
didn't help.

I know that TIFF is the preferred format (not sure about PSD but many of my PSD 
imports look nice) but I don't know if there are specific guidelines or 
recommendations about resolution, resizing once imported, etc.

I'm happy to provide more information about what I'm doing if needed. No idea 
what's relevant and what's not.

Thank you,
Tim

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Re: Importing clear, sharp images

[John Sgammato]

The images align with the text and are still clear. I remember years ago I
had to use multiples of 4, but now 150, 160, and 180 look equally good
depending on what i am showing.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:

>  What's significant about the number 160? Just wondering, since it's not
> a simple factor of 72 or 144 or 300 etc.
>
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:17 PM
> *To:* Tim Pann
> *Cc:* framers
> *Subject:* Re: Importing clear, sharp images
>
>   I use SnagIt to capture all my images as PNGs, then I import by
> reference at 160dpi and they look great.
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:
>
>>I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been
>> covered and answered.
>>
>>  Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's
>> quick) for understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference
>> in FrameMaker? I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing
>> PSD files. They're all screen captures of a user interface. I have to
>> resize most of them and they're looking pretty choppy. I switched to a TIF
>> image for one and that didn't help.
>>
>>  I know that TIFF is the preferred format (not sure about PSD but many
>> of my PSD imports look nice) but I don't know if there are specific
>> guidelines or recommendations about resolution, resizing once imported, etc.
>>
>>  I'm happy to provide more information about what I'm doing if needed.
>> No idea what's relevant and what's not.
>>
>>  Thank you,
>> Tim
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Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not allowing the same file more than once?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:54 -0400 17/6/15,  wrote:

>Why?

In case it proves flaky to do it in FrameMaker.

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RE: Importing clear, sharp images

[Tim Pann]

What's significant about the number 160? Just wondering, since it's not a 
simple factor of 72 or 144 or 300 etc.


From: John Sgammato [john.sgamm...@actifio.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:17 PM
To: Tim Pann
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

I use SnagIt to capture all my images as PNGs, then I import by reference at 
160dpi and they look great.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Tim Pann 
mailto:tp...@telecomsys.com>> wrote:
I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered and 
answered.

Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick) for 
understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in FrameMaker? 
I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD files. They're 
all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize most of them and 
they're looking pretty choppy. I switched to a TIF image for one and that 
didn't help.

I know that TIFF is the preferred format (not sure about PSD but many of my PSD 
imports look nice) but I don't know if there are specific guidelines or 
recommendations about resolution, resizing once imported, etc.

I'm happy to provide more information about what I'm doing if needed. No idea 
what's relevant and what's not.

Thank you,
Tim

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RE: Importing clear, sharp images

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Same here.

I think SnagIt is an excellent tool and well worth the money.

If the image/drawing I want to capture is large (or vectorized), I try to 
maximise it as much as reasonable (native, without jaggies) on the 1920x1200 
screen I use before the screen capture.

This makes the PNG capture occur at a good high resolution – i.e., the source 
quality is better – so that letting FrameMaker downsize it to fit still makes 
it look good.

Z

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Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:17 PM
To: Tim Pann
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

I use SnagIt to capture all my images as PNGs, then I import by reference at 
160dpi and they look great.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Tim Pann 
mailto:tp...@telecomsys.com>> wrote:
I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered and 
answered.

Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick) for 
understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in FrameMaker? 
I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD files. They're 
all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize most of them and 
they're looking pretty choppy. I switched to a TIF image for one and that 
didn't help.

I know that TIFF is the preferred format (not sure about PSD but many of my PSD 
imports look nice) but I don't know if there are specific guidelines or 
recommendations about resolution, resizing once imported, etc.

I'm happy to provide more information about what I'm doing if needed. No idea 
what's relevant and what's not.

Thank you,
Tim

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RE: Importing clear, sharp images

[Tim Pann]

OK this is very interesting. I was under the assumption that you should keep 
the resolution of the picture at the resolution of the screen, and then import 
it in also at that resolution. I was not aware that changing the import 
resolution was advisable.

Off top of my head this seems like it would be difficult to get just the right 
resolution on the first try giving a particular anchored frame size. Do you 
have some clever method for getting the resolution right the first time?

Tim

From: Combs, Richard (CW) [richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:24 PM
To: Tim Pann; framers
Subject: RE: Importing clear, sharp images

Don’t resize your screen captures! Save as PNG exactly as captured. When you 
import them into FM, specify the appropriate DPI setting to make them the size 
you want on the page.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tim Pann
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:11 PM
To: framers
Subject: Importing clear, sharp images

I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered and 
answered.

Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick) for 
understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in FrameMaker? 
I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD files. They're 
all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize most of them and 
they're looking pretty choppy. I switched to a TIF image for one and that 
didn't help.

I know that TIFF is the preferred format (not sure about PSD but many of my PSD 
imports look nice) but I don't know if there are specific guidelines or 
recommendations about resolution, resizing once imported, etc.

I'm happy to provide more information about what I'm doing if needed. No idea 
what's relevant and what's not.

Thank you,
Tim

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RE: Importing clear, sharp images

[Combs, Richard (CW)]

Don't resize your screen captures! Save as PNG exactly as captured. When you 
import them into FM, specify the appropriate DPI setting to make them the size 
you want on the page.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tim Pann
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:11 PM
To: framers
Subject: Importing clear, sharp images

I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered and 
answered.

Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick) for 
understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in FrameMaker? 
I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD files. They're 
all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize most of them and 
they're looking pretty choppy. I switched to a TIF image for one and that 
didn't help.

I know that TIFF is the preferred format (not sure about PSD but many of my PSD 
imports look nice) but I don't know if there are specific guidelines or 
recommendations about resolution, resizing once imported, etc.

I'm happy to provide more information about what I'm doing if needed. No idea 
what's relevant and what's not.

Thank you,
Tim

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Importing clear, sharp images

[Tim Pann]

I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered and 
answered.

Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick) for 
understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in FrameMaker? 
I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD files. They're 
all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize most of them and 
they're looking pretty choppy. I switched to a TIF image for one and that 
didn't help.

I know that TIFF is the preferred format (not sure about PSD but many of my PSD 
imports look nice) but I don't know if there are specific guidelines or 
recommendations about resolution, resizing once imported, etc.

I'm happy to provide more information about what I'm doing if needed. No idea 
what's relevant and what's not.

Thank you,
Tim

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Re: Importing clear, sharp images

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I use SnagIt to capture all my images as PNGs, then I import by reference
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On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:

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RE: Commenting in Acrobat Bug

[Combs, Richard (CW)]

In what version of Acrobat are you creating the PDF and enabling commenting? In 
what version of Adobe Reader are others unable to comment?

FWIW, I’m still on Acrobat X, and anyone with a recent version of Adobe Reader 
has been able to comment in my PDFs.

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Subject: Commenting in Acrobat Bug

Has anyone else had this problem:

In Acrobat, after making a PDF, I Save As > Reader Extended PDF > Enable 
Commenting & Measuring. Then when I give it to someone to comment on it in 
Adobe Reader, they get a message saying that the PDF has changed and commenting 
is disabled and to do a Save As Copy and put rights on that version. I do all 
that and it doesn't fix the problem.

However, if the user has Adobe Reader DC, then they can comment on the PDF 
without issue.

Is this a bug in Reader, is there a solution other than upgrading to DC?

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I subscribe to Adobe's Creative Cloud service for several products 
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Apparently I was distracted this time or something, but when I 
allowed it to update all, it completely UNINSTALLED my Acrobat XI 
program and installed its new Acrobat DC. There was no warning, no 
request for permission. I just lost my Acrobat XI installation and 
all of its plug-ins and was presented with the rather bizarre, 
icon-filled screen for Acrobat DC.


Since I am right in the middle of my semi-annual nail-biting project, 
I panicked. I uninstalled Acrobat DC, located my install file for 
TechComm Suite 5, and reinstalled Acrobat XI. Miraculously, all of my 
plug-ins and most of my preferred settings were intact. But I lost a 
couple hours of billable time tending to a problem that Adobe 
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RE: FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Kate, 

as Thai does not have spaces between words, you will absolutely need a
native speaker to break lines manually and to split up the text in the
correct way. Given this, is seems obvious that it is not advisable to
use the "justified" setting. 

Until now, there was no feature in FrameMaker -- built-in or accessible
to users -- to deal with this automatically (I would be surprised if
Indesign could do it...). 
I do not think this has changed in FM 2015. Have you worked with Thai
before? 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Kate Williams: 

> Hi Rick, 
> 
> I did check this and there is no Thai option in the language setting in the 
> paragraph format, unlike Arabic and Hebrew which are new additions. The only 
> viable option is None, which does nothing. 
> 
> Kate 
> 
> FROM: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] 
> SENT: 17 June 2015 16:44
> TO: Kate Williams; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> SUBJECT: RE: FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting 
> 
> Hi Kate, 
> 
> Check the Language of the paragraph format. 
> 
> Rick 
> 
> Rick Quatro 
> 
> Carmen Publishing Inc. 
> 
> 585-366-4017 
> 
> r...@frameexpert.com 
> 
> FROM: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] ON BEHALF OF Kate Williams
> SENT: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:14 AM
> TO: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> SUBJECT: FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I'm doing some Thai testing in FrameMaker 2015 and while there are no issues 
> with the text displaying correctly, I'm having trouble with the formatting. 
> The paragraph style is fully justified and where in InDesign, the Thai would 
> follow on until the edge of the frame and then flow on to the next line, in 
> FrameMaker the text is breaking after almost every sentence. If it is a long 
> sentence then it will start on the next line completely, even if there are 
> only one or two characters on the previous line. This is leaving massive gaps 
> in the paragraphs. Any suggestions as to how to stop this from happening so 
> that the text flows normally? 
> 
> Many thanks, 
> 
> Kate 
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Commenting in Acrobat Bug

[gill6034]

Has anyone else had this problem: 

In Acrobat, after making a PDF, I Save As > Reader Extended PDF > Enable 
Commenting & Measuring. Then when I give it to someone to comment on it in 
Adobe Reader, they get a message saying that the PDF has changed and commenting 
is disabled and to do a Save As Copy and put rights on that version. I do all 
that and it doesn't fix the problem. 

However, if the user has Adobe Reader DC, then they can comment on the PDF 
without issue. 

Is this a bug in Reader, is there a solution other than upgrading to DC? 

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Re: FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting

[Bill Swallow]

I remember hearing that there is an issue with Thai wrapping in the latest FM. 
I’m guessing that you’ll need a manual workaround until the issue is fixed with 
a product update.

> On Jun 17, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Kate Williams  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I’m doing some Thai testing in FrameMaker 2015 and while there are no issues 
> with the text displaying correctly, I’m having trouble with the formatting. 
> The paragraph style is fully justified and where in InDesign, the Thai would 
> follow on until the edge of the frame and then flow on to the next line, in 
> FrameMaker the text is breaking after almost every sentence. If it is a long 
> sentence then it will start on the next line completely, even if there are 
> only one or two characters on the previous line. This is leaving massive gaps 
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> that the text flows normally?
>  
> Many thanks,
> Kate
>  
>  
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Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not allowing the same file more than once?

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From:   Steve Rickaby 
To: Art Campbell , Peter Hirons

Cc: FrameUsers List 
Date:   06/17/2015 11:49 AM
Subject:Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not
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At 10:59 -0400 17/6/15, Art Campbell wrote:

>I'd second Peter's approach. Two container files each pulling the single
insert

All good advice so far, but I think I'd initially try to implement this
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includes and some script or app that kept multiple clones of it in sync wrt
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RE: FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting

[Kate Williams]

Hi Rick,

I did check this and there is no Thai option in the language setting in the 
paragraph format, unlike Arabic and Hebrew which are new additions. The only 
viable option is None, which does nothing.

Kate


From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com]
Sent: 17 June 2015 16:44
To: Kate Williams; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting

Hi Kate,

Check the Language of the paragraph format.

Rick

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Subject: FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting

Hi,

I'm doing some Thai testing in FrameMaker 2015 and while there are no issues 
with the text displaying correctly, I'm having trouble with the formatting. The 
paragraph style is fully justified and where in InDesign, the Thai would follow 
on until the edge of the frame and then flow on to the next line, in FrameMaker 
the text is breaking after almost every sentence. If it is a long sentence then 
it will start on the next line completely, even if there are only one or two 
characters on the previous line. This is leaving massive gaps in the 
paragraphs. Any suggestions as to how to stop this from happening so that the 
text flows normally?

Many thanks,
Kate


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RE: FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Kate,

 

Check the Language of the paragraph format.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

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585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kate Williams
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:14 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting

 

Hi,

 

I'm doing some Thai testing in FrameMaker 2015 and while there are no issues
with the text displaying correctly, I'm having trouble with the formatting.
The paragraph style is fully justified and where in InDesign, the Thai would
follow on until the edge of the frame and then flow on to the next line, in
FrameMaker the text is breaking after almost every sentence. If it is a long
sentence then it will start on the next line completely, even if there are
only one or two characters on the previous line. This is leaving massive
gaps in the paragraphs. Any suggestions as to how to stop this from
happening so that the text flows normally?

 

Many thanks,

Kate

 

 

Kate Williams | Imprimatur Ltd

 

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Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not allowing the same file more than once?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:59 -0400 17/6/15, Art Campbell wrote:

>I'd second Peter's approach. Two container files each pulling the single insert

All good advice so far, but I think I'd initially try to implement this outside 
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FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting

[Kate Williams]

Hi,

I'm doing some Thai testing in FrameMaker 2015 and while there are no issues 
with the text displaying correctly, I'm having trouble with the formatting. The 
paragraph style is fully justified and where in InDesign, the Thai would follow 
on until the edge of the frame and then flow on to the next line, in FrameMaker 
the text is breaking after almost every sentence. If it is a long sentence then 
it will start on the next line completely, even if there are only one or two 
characters on the previous line. This is leaving massive gaps in the 
paragraphs. Any suggestions as to how to stop this from happening so that the 
text flows normally?

Many thanks,
Kate


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Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not allowing the same file more than once?

[Art Campbell]

I'd second Peter's approach. Two container files each pulling the single
insert

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On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Peter Hirons  wrote:

> You should always go for the "single source" approach - provided you
> expect the content to always remain the same - one file, inserted twice.
>
> ---
>
>
> Peter
>
> On 2015-06-17 14:13, John Posada wrote:
>
>> Pursuing this text insert approach, which is better practice...lets
>> say I have a couple pages of content and I want it to appear twice. Do
>> I put the orig file in the book and use it in a text insert in another
>> place or do I not put the file in the book but instead use two
>> different text insert files?
>> On Jun 12, 2015 3:17 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>  I'd tried that...I had unpredictable resultsI was getting
>>> crashes that
>>> started when I implemented it and stopped when I removed them.
>>>
>>> BTW...I do realize why what I want would would never work...How
>>> does the
>>> same document address having different page numbers and section
>>> numbers if
>>> I should try to gen a book with both instances of the same file.
>>>
>>> Never mind...it was a tough week.
>>>
>>> John X Posada
>>> AML Syst & Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC & RC Systems Control &
>>> Analytics
>>> | HSBC North America Holdings Inc
>>> 330 Madison Ave., NY NY
>>>
>>> ___
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>>> Phone
>>> Int: 212-525-5483 [1] Ext: Personal Cellphone - 732-259-2874
>>> [2]
>>> Fax
>>> Conference Bridge - 877-304-0052 [3], Code 74809254
>>>
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>>> john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
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>>> From: Lise Bible 
>>> To: John X Posada/HBUS/HSBC@HSBC02
>>> Cc: Post Framers 
>>> Date: 06/12/2015 03:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a
>>> book not
>>> allowing the same file more than once?
>>>
>>> Instead of including it in the book, can you use it as as a text
>>> inset in
>>> two different places, instead?
>>> -Lise
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:48 PM,  wrote:
>>> Hi, guys...
>>>
>>> This probably isn't advisable, but it would make my life easier
>>> if FM11
>>> allowed the inclusion of the same file in more than one place in
>>> a book.
>>>
>>> Anyone accomplish something like this?
>>>
>>> John X Posada
>>> AML Syst & Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC & RC Systems Control &
>>> Analytics
>>> | HSBC North America Holdings Inc
>>> 330 Madison Ave., NY NY
>>>
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>>> 732-259-2874 [2]
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RE: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not allowing the same file more than once?

[Tammy Van Boening]

John,

 

You create a book of text insets that have the same conditions, tags, etc. as 
your the file into which you want to pull the insets - the container files. 
Then you only have to point to/pull in the same inset multiple times. Text 
insets inherit all the properties of their container files, so it helps to keep 
the two in synch. I use text insets ALL the time and have written several 
articles about tips and tricks and how to use them, such as keeping all 
headings in the container files, not in the text insets. If you want, I can 
send you the article offline.  They are quite handy and easy to use once you 
get your routine/pattern down.

 

TVB

 

Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

TammyVB  *AT*  spectrumwritingllc  *DOT*  com

 

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Subject: Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not allowing the 
same file more than once?

 

Pursuing this text insert approach, which is better practice...lets say I have 
a couple pages of content and I want it to appear twice. Do I put the orig file 
in the book and use it in a text insert in another place or do I not put the 
file in the book but instead use two different text insert files?

On Jun 12, 2015 3:17 PM,  wrote:

I'd tried that...I had unpredictable resultsI was getting crashes that
started when I implemented it and stopped when I removed them.

BTW...I do realize why what I want would would never work...How does the
same document address having different page numbers and section numbers if
I should try to gen a book with both instances of the same file.

Never mind...it was a tough week.



John X Posada
AML Syst & Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC & RC Systems Control & Analytics
| HSBC North America Holdings Inc
330 Madison Ave., NY NY

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From:   Lise Bible 
To: John X Posada/HBUS/HSBC@HSBC02
Cc: Post Framers 
Date:   06/12/2015 03:06 PM
Subject:Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not
allowing the same file more than once?



Instead of including it in the book, can you use it as as a text inset in
two different places, instead?
-Lise

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:48 PM,  wrote:
  Hi, guys...

  This probably isn't advisable, but it would make my life easier if FM11
  allowed the inclusion of the same file in more than one place in a book.

  Anyone accomplish something like this?

  John X Posada
  AML Syst & Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC & RC Systems Control &
  Analytics
  | HSBC North America Holdings Inc
  330 Madison Ave., NY NY

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Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not allowing the same file more than once?

[Peter Hirons]

You should always go for the "single source" approach - provided you 
expect the content to always remain the same - one file, inserted twice.


---


Peter

On 2015-06-17 14:13, John Posada wrote:

Pursuing this text insert approach, which is better practice...lets
say I have a couple pages of content and I want it to appear twice. Do
I put the orig file in the book and use it in a text insert in another
place or do I not put the file in the book but instead use two
different text insert files?
On Jun 12, 2015 3:17 PM,  wrote:


I'd tried that...I had unpredictable resultsI was getting
crashes that
started when I implemented it and stopped when I removed them.

BTW...I do realize why what I want would would never work...How
does the
same document address having different page numbers and section
numbers if
I should try to gen a book with both instances of the same file.

Never mind...it was a tough week.

John X Posada
AML Syst & Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC & RC Systems Control &
Analytics
| HSBC North America Holdings Inc
330 Madison Ave., NY NY

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From: Lise Bible 
To: John X Posada/HBUS/HSBC@HSBC02
Cc: Post Framers 
Date: 06/12/2015 03:06 PM
Subject: Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a
book not
allowing the same file more than once?

Instead of including it in the book, can you use it as as a text
inset in
two different places, instead?
-Lise

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:48 PM,  wrote:
Hi, guys...

This probably isn't advisable, but it would make my life easier
if FM11
allowed the inclusion of the same file in more than one place in
a book.

Anyone accomplish something like this?

John X Posada
AML Syst & Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC & RC Systems Control &
Analytics
| HSBC North America Holdings Inc
330 Madison Ave., NY NY

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Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not allowing the same file more than once?

[John Posada]

Pursuing this text insert approach, which is better practice...lets say I
have a couple pages of content and I want it to appear twice. Do I put the
orig file in the book and use it in a text insert in another place or do I
not put the file in the book but instead use two different text insert
files?
On Jun 12, 2015 3:17 PM,  wrote:

> I'd tried that...I had unpredictable resultsI was getting crashes that
> started when I implemented it and stopped when I removed them.
>
> BTW...I do realize why what I want would would never work...How does the
> same document address having different page numbers and section numbers if
> I should try to gen a book with both instances of the same file.
>
> Never mind...it was a tough week.
>
>
>
> John X Posada
> AML Syst & Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC & RC Systems Control & Analytics
> | HSBC North America Holdings Inc
> 330 Madison Ave., NY NY
>
>  ___
>
>
>
>
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>
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>  to!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:   Lise Bible 
> To: John X Posada/HBUS/HSBC@HSBC02
> Cc: Post Framers 
> Date:   06/12/2015 03:06 PM
> Subject:Re: Is there a way to get around the issue of a book not
> allowing the same file more than once?
>
>
>
> Instead of including it in the book, can you use it as as a text inset in
> two different places, instead?
> -Lise
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:48 PM,  wrote:
>   Hi, guys...
>
>   This probably isn't advisable, but it would make my life easier if FM11
>   allowed the inclusion of the same file in more than one place in a book.
>
>   Anyone accomplish something like this?
>
>   John X Posada
>   AML Syst & Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC & RC Systems Control &
>   Analytics
>   | HSBC North America Holdings Inc
>   330 Madison Ave., NY NY
>
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