Re: Unexpected event

[Avraham Makeler]

Have a quick and full recovery, Rick.

-avraham


On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi Avrohom,

 You sent it to the wrong person :)

 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 052-763-7133

 On 21-Jun-12 6:50 PM, Avraham Makeler wrote:

 Have a quick and full recovery, Rick.

  -avraham



 On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.comwrote:

 Have a speedy recovery.

 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 052-763-7133


 On 20-Jun-12 3:07 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

  Hi Framers,

 I hesitate to put this on the list, but I have been around the FrameMaker
 community for a long time, and this is the only contact I have with some
 of
 you. Also, in light of Bruce Foster's sudden disappearance last year, I
 thought it would be appropriate to post this.

 Hi Everyone,

 As many of you know, I was supposed to be on vacation this week, cycling
 across New York State with 17 other guys. During my last few training
 rides,
 I experienced some discomfort in my chest. It was a concern because I am
 in
 pretty good shape with almost 800 miles on the bike so far this summer. I
 had a stress test on Friday, and the results showed an 80% chance of a
 blockage in one of my cardiac arteries. Monday I went into the hospital
 for
 an angiogram, with the anticipation of having the blockage opened and a
 stent put in. However, the test showed a couple of areas of blockage, one
 being in an area that can't be opened with a stent. So on Wednesday
 around
 12:45 pm, I am going to have open heart surgery with at least a double
 bypass. I will be in the hospital for 3-5 days and hopefully experience a
 quick recovery at home. I should be back to work late next week.

 Those of you who know me well understand that I have a deep abiding
 relationship with Jesus Christ. I received Him as my Savior on April 6,
 1984
 when I was twenty-five years old. Because He has forgiven me of my sins,
 I
 know that when I die, I will be with Him in heaven. I am still a sinner
 and
 don't deserve heaven, but because of His death on the cross and
 subsequent
 resurrection, He gives eternal life to those who receive Him by faith.

 That said, I am still fairly young (53), and have some young kids left to
 raise. So, if you are given to prayer, please pray for Sherry and I this
 Wednesday. Finally, thank you all for being a part of my life. The great
 people that I work with is an important part of making my work so
 satisfying.

 Sincerely,
 Rick

 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing Inc.
 585-283-5045
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Unexpected event

[Avraham Makeler]

Have a quick and full recovery, Rick.

-avraham


On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:

>  Hi Avrohom,
>
> You sent it to the wrong person :)
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 052-763-7133
>
> On 21-Jun-12 6:50 PM, Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
> Have a quick and full recovery, Rick.
>
>  -avraham
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>
>> Have a speedy recovery.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Shmuel Wolfson
>> 052-763-7133
>>
>>
>> On 20-Jun-12 3:07 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi Framers,
>>>
>>> I hesitate to put this on the list, but I have been around the FrameMaker
>>> community for a long time, and this is the only contact I have with some
>>> of
>>> you. Also, in light of Bruce Foster's sudden disappearance last year, I
>>> thought it would be appropriate to post this.
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> As many of you know, I was supposed to be on vacation this week, cycling
>>> across New York State with 17 other guys. During my last few training
>>> rides,
>>> I experienced some discomfort in my chest. It was a concern because I am
>>> in
>>> pretty good shape with almost 800 miles on the bike so far this summer. I
>>> had a stress test on Friday, and the results showed an 80% chance of a
>>> blockage in one of my cardiac arteries. Monday I went into the hospital
>>> for
>>> an angiogram, with the anticipation of having the blockage opened and a
>>> stent put in. However, the test showed a couple of areas of blockage, one
>>> being in an area that can't be opened with a stent. So on Wednesday
>>> around
>>> 12:45 pm, I am going to have open heart surgery with at least a double
>>> bypass. I will be in the hospital for 3-5 days and hopefully experience a
>>> quick recovery at home. I should be back to work late next week.
>>>
>>> Those of you who know me well understand that I have a deep abiding
>>> relationship with Jesus Christ. I received Him as my Savior on April 6,
>>> 1984
>>> when I was twenty-five years old. Because He has forgiven me of my sins,
>>> I
>>> know that when I die, I will be with Him in heaven. I am still a sinner
>>> and
>>> don't deserve heaven, but because of His death on the cross and
>>> subsequent
>>> resurrection, He gives eternal life to those who receive Him by faith.
>>>
>>> That said, I am still fairly young (53), and have some young kids left to
>>> raise. So, if you are given to prayer, please pray for Sherry and I this
>>> Wednesday. Finally, thank you all for being a part of my life. The great
>>> people that I work with is an important part of making my work so
>>> satisfying.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> Rick Quatro
>>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>>> 585-283-5045
>>> rick at frameexpert.com
>>>
>>>
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FM 7.2: Is there a way to Find a cross-ref and Replace it with another cross-ref?

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

FM 7.2: Is there a way to Find a cross-ref and Replace it with another
cross-ref?

A blooper occurred in an FM doc, wherein a whole lot of cross-refs (all
pointing to the same target) got replaced by a different cross-ref.

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FM 7.2: Is there a way to Find a cross-ref and Replace it with another cross-ref?

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

FM 7.2: Is there a way to Find a cross-ref and Replace it with another
cross-ref?

A blooper occurred in an FM doc, wherein a whole lot of cross-refs (all
pointing to the same target) got replaced by a different cross-ref.

TIA


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Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph

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 The main problem is having overrides to begin with.

Couldn't agree with you more.

Actually the main problem is having inherited a large number of FM documents
whose level of English and level of technical competence of the authoring
platform (in this case, FM) is the worst I have ever seen. And of course
there is no budget for doing an overhaul. I hope that answers your query,
and similar queries about the Oh dear.
:-)

Thanks,
avraham



On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Mike Feimster 
mike.feims...@acstechnologies.com wrote:

The main problem is having overrides to begin with. Unless it is a very
 small document, it is unlikely that you will have a single paragraph
 that has a unique style. Either find an appropriate paragraph format or
 create a new one. Then you can remove overrides at will without
 stressing about breaking the document. It also makes document-wide
 formatting changes relatively painless. If you create a good template,
 it event makes library-wide formatting changes relatively painless.

 Mike Feimster




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Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph

[Avraham Makeler]

 There is no analogous action  snip
 There is no container  snip

Who cares? All I know is that is that sometimes I need a quick way to remove
all the local formatting (incl. paragraph formatting) from a paragraph, so
it appears according to its current style. For example:

(1) I am designing a new style (=tag), and I experiment with different
appearances of some sample content and I do this by playing with local
formatting. When I give up on a direction, I want to reset the paragraph and
start again. (And when I have got what I want, I define the new style.)

(2) I have inherited a large document that is badly formatted with local
formatting, as my case now, and if a rush job is required, I just carry on
in the same way, and as (1) above.

(3) Diagnostic operations.

avraham




On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Combs, Richard
richard.co...@polycom.comwrote:

 Avraham Makeler wrote:

  Note also, that there is a lack of symmetry in FM between the paragraph
  styling and the character styling. The Paragraph catalog does not have a
  'Default Paragraph' entry.

 Default Para Font removes local character formatting (char tag or ad
 hoc), restoring the text to the underlying paragraph format. Think of it as
 No Local Formatting. Of necessity, removing any locally-applied formatting
 leaves the formatting applied at the container (paragraph) level in control.

 There is no analogous action for paragraph formatting because there is no
 analogous state. There is no container for paragraphs that would permit you
 to specify formatting at a higher level. The paragraph is the highest-level
 object that possesses text-format attributes (along with paragraph-format
 attributes, of course).

 A paragraph can't have no format (tag) applied to it, and there is no
 document-wide default paragraph format. What would be the point? If you
 want to format all paragraphs a certain way, select them all (Ctrl+a) and
 apply a paragraph tag to them.


 Richard G. Combs
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 Polycom, Inc.
 richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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To remove local formatting from a paragraph

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi Nadine, Thanks for your response.

>> If I understand you correctly, you want to remove formatting overrides to
text within a paragraph (ie, whatever makes it formatted differently from
the defined paragraph tag)

Almost. I want to remove all formatting overrides to all the paragraph's
'properties' (including its text). E.g., to remove also the spacing between
the paragraph and its neighboring paragraphs. So that which you suggest,
namely "Select the offending text, and in the Character catalog, choose
Default Para Font.", does only half the job.

Anyway, somebody answered offlist. The way to do this is to open the
Paragraphs catalog and locate the entry for the style of the offending
paragraph,
and then click it.

So this is a two stage job (just like in Word).

Note also, that there is a lack of symmetry in FM between the paragraph
styling and the character styling. The Paragraph catalog does not have a
'Default Paragraph' entry.

Thanks,

avraham



On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Writer  wrote:

> If I understand you correctly, you want to remove formatting overrides to
> text within a paragraph (ie, whatever makes it formatted differently from
> the defined paragraph tag). Select the offending text, and in the Character
> catalog, choose Default Para Font.
>
> That should remove any formatting overrides. Sometimes I found I have to
> select the text, apply the para tag, and then choose Default Para Font to
> get it to work.
>
> Nadine
>
> --- On Sun, 9/26/10, David Spreadbury  wrote:
>
> > From: David Spreadbury 
> > Subject: Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com, "Avraham Makeler"  > gmail.com>
> > Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 3:02 PM
> > Avraham,
> > In Framemaker this is done by importing the paragraph and
> > Character formats of the document(s) into the document(s).
> >
> > With the mis-tagged document open, select File > Import
> > > Formats.
> > Click Select All, to uncheck all options (default)
> > Check the Paragraph and Character Format options.
> > Check the Other Format/Layout Overrides (this is what
> > removes the formatting overrides)
> > Click Import.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler 
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Avraham Makeler 
> > Subject: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 1:15 PM
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph
> > formatting from
> > a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current
> > paragraph style
> > (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as
> > currently defined
> > in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the
> > Paragraph Designer when
> > you place the cursor on the paragraph.
> >
> > In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this
> > with a ResetPara
> > command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > avraham
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To remove local formatting from a paragraph

[Avraham Makeler]

>> The main problem is having overrides to begin with.

Couldn't agree with you more.

Actually the main problem is having inherited a large number of FM documents
whose level of English and level of technical competence of the authoring
platform (in this case, FM) is the worst I have ever seen. And of course
there is no budget for doing an overhaul. I hope that answers your query,
and similar queries about the "Oh dear".
:-)

Thanks,
avraham



On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Mike Feimster <
Mike.Feimster at acstechnologies.com> wrote:

The main problem is having overrides to begin with. Unless it is a very
> small document, it is unlikely that you will have a single paragraph
> that has a unique style. Either find an appropriate paragraph format or
> create a new one. Then you can remove overrides at will without
> stressing about breaking the document. It also makes document-wide
> formatting changes relatively painless. If you create a good template,
> it event makes library-wide formatting changes relatively painless.
>
> Mike Feimster
>



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To remove local formatting from a paragraph

[Avraham Makeler]

>> There is no analogous action  
>> There is no container  

Who cares? All I know is that is that sometimes I need a quick way to remove
all the local formatting (incl. paragraph formatting) from a paragraph, so
it appears according to its current style. For example:

(1) I am designing a new style (=tag), and I experiment with different
appearances of some sample content and I do this by playing with local
formatting. When I give up on a direction, I want to reset the paragraph and
start again. (And when I have got what I want, I define the new style.)

(2) I have inherited a large document that is badly formatted with local
formatting, as my case now, and if a rush job is required, I just carry on
in the same way, and as (1) above.

(3) Diagnostic operations.

avraham




On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
> > Note also, that there is a lack of symmetry in FM between the paragraph
> > styling and the character styling. The Paragraph catalog does not have a
> > 'Default Paragraph' entry.
>
> "Default Para Font" removes local character formatting (char tag or ad
> hoc), restoring the text to the underlying paragraph format. Think of it as
> "No Local Formatting." Of necessity, removing any locally-applied formatting
> leaves the formatting applied at the container (paragraph) level in control.
>
> There is no analogous action for paragraph formatting because there is no
> analogous state. There is no container for paragraphs that would permit you
> to specify formatting at a higher level. The paragraph is the highest-level
> object that possesses text-format attributes (along with paragraph-format
> attributes, of course).
>
> A paragraph can't have no format (tag) applied to it, and there is no
> document-wide "default paragraph format." What would be the point? If you
> want to format all paragraphs a certain way, select them all (Ctrl+a) and
> apply a paragraph tag to them.
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
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>
>
>
>
>
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To remove local formatting from a paragraph

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from
a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style
(tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined
in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when
you place the cursor on the paragraph.

In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara
command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q.

TIA

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Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi David,

Thanks for the quick response.

So if I am talking about one document file, do you mean that the way to do
this is to import the document formats from itself into itself?

And what if I just want to remove the local formatting of this one
paragraph, but not the local formatting of other paragraphs in this document
file?

Thanks,

avraham



On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:02 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Avraham,
 In Framemaker this is done by importing the paragraph and Character formats
 of the document(s) into the document(s).

 With the mis-tagged document open, select File  Import  Formats.
 Click Select All, to uncheck all options (default)
 Check the Paragraph and Character Format options.
 Check the Other Format/Layout Overrides (this is what removes the
 formatting overrides)
 Click Import.

 HTH

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 From: Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com
 Subject: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 1:15 PM


 Hi all,

 In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from
 a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style
 (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently
 defined
 in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when
 you place the cursor on the paragraph.

 In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara
 command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q.

 TIA

 avraham




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Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph

[Avraham Makeler]

 Yes, you end up importing the formats back into itself.

Oh dear...

 To change just one paragraph, I would try and determine what was done to
modify that particular paragraph by comparing the settings,

Comparing the settings ... and eyeballing field by field, tab by tab ...
Oh dear... so much for hi-tech...

 using the paragraph Designer (Ctrl+M) of a modified and unmodified
paragraph.

And how can I be sure that any particular paragraph has remained unmodified?

Thinking ... And just suppose all paragraphs have all actually -- ALL --
been modified? No way back?

(And btw, simply clicking Apply in the Paragraph Designer does not work.
Seems that FM notices that the paragraph already has that style and so
doesn't apply anything. So the Paragraph Designer should offer a 'Force'
option, IMO.)

This is all so convoluted that the simplest way I have found seems better
than all the others: just change the paragraph style to any other style, and
then change the paragraph style to back to what you want. That works.

Anyway, if this is the way things are, Word beats FM hands down on this
point.

Thanks,

avraham


On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:17 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Avraham,
 Yes, you end up importing the formats back into itself.

 To change just one paragraph, I would try and determine what was done to
 modify that particular paragraph by comparing the settings, using the
 paragraph Designer (Ctrl+M) of a modified and unmodified paragraph. Then
 change the modified option(s) to match the unmodified paragraph.


 --- On *Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com* wrote:


 From: Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
 To: David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 2:44 PM


 Hi David,

 Thanks for the quick response.

 So if I am talking about one document file, do you mean that the way to do
 this is to import the document formats from itself into itself?

 And what if I just want to remove the local formatting of this one
 paragraph, but not the local formatting of other paragraphs in this document
 file?

 Thanks,

 avraham




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To remove local formatting from a paragraph

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from
a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style
(tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined
in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when
you place the cursor on the paragraph.

In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara
command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q.

TIA

avraham

To remove local formatting from a paragraph

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi David,

Thanks for the quick response.

So if I am talking about one document file, do you mean that the way to do
this is to import the document formats from itself into itself?

And what if I just want to remove the local formatting of this one
paragraph, but not the local formatting of other paragraphs in this document
file?

Thanks,

avraham



On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:02 PM, David Spreadbury wrote:

> Avraham,
> In Framemaker this is done by importing the paragraph and Character formats
> of the document(s) into the document(s).
>
> With the mis-tagged document open, select File > Import > Formats.
> Click Select All, to uncheck all options (default)
> Check the Paragraph and Character Format options.
> Check the Other Format/Layout Overrides (this is what removes the
> formatting overrides)
> Click Import.
>
> HTH
>
> --- On *Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler * wrote:
>
>
> From: Avraham Makeler 
> Subject: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 1:15 PM
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from
> a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style
> (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently
> defined
> in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when
> you place the cursor on the paragraph.
>
> In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara
> command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q.
>
> TIA
>
> avraham
>
>


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To remove local formatting from a paragraph

[Avraham Makeler]

>> Yes, you end up importing the formats back into itself.

Oh dear...

>> To change just one paragraph, I would try and determine what was done to
modify that particular paragraph by comparing the settings,

Comparing the settings ... and eyeballing field by field, tab by tab ...
Oh dear... so much for hi-tech...

>> using the paragraph Designer (Ctrl+M) of a modified and unmodified
paragraph.

And how can I be sure that any particular paragraph has remained unmodified?

Thinking ... And just suppose all paragraphs have all actually -- ALL --
been modified? No way back?

(And btw, simply clicking Apply in the Paragraph Designer does not work.
Seems that FM notices that the paragraph already has that style and so
doesn't apply anything. So the Paragraph Designer should offer a 'Force'
option, IMO.)

This is all so convoluted that the simplest way I have found seems better
than all the others: just change the paragraph style to any other style, and
then change the paragraph style to back to what you want. That works.

Anyway, if this is the way things are, Word beats FM hands down on this
point.

Thanks,

avraham


On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:17 PM, David Spreadbury wrote:

> Avraham,
> Yes, you end up importing the formats back into itself.
>
> To change just one paragraph, I would try and determine what was done to
> modify that particular paragraph by comparing the settings, using the
> paragraph Designer (Ctrl+M) of a modified and unmodified paragraph. Then
> change the modified option(s) to match the unmodified paragraph.
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler * wrote:
>
>
> From: Avraham Makeler 
> Subject: Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
> To: "David Spreadbury" 
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 2:44 PM
>
>
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for the quick response.
>
> So if I am talking about one document file, do you mean that the way to do
> this is to import the document formats from itself into itself?
>
> And what if I just want to remove the local formatting of this one
> paragraph, but not the local formatting of other paragraphs in this document
> file?
>
> Thanks,
>
> avraham
>
>


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Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

Sorry I couldn't get back to this sooner.

I read the responses. Since there is a saying in my local culture that says
"*They* are allowed, and *you* are not", which I interpret as meaning that
the individual has to abide by the opinion of the majority (and even maybe
also realign his head)...

... I therefore humbly bow my head to the large majority opinion.

Actually ... it's not the $60 that's the problem. There is going to be a
simply a practical problem of  what will probably turn out to be the $60
multiplied up many times. I am not used to living with deficiencies and
bugs. In Word, I program my own solutions. In FM, for the time being, I am
going to have to pay a lot of money I don't have, or else "justify"
the deficiencies to my clients.

>> OTOH, a VBA Word macro can be written by script kiddies in a few minutes.

I assume this is a joke. I have written whole applications and tools in Word
VBA that took many days. Of my favorite is an auto linker, allowing you to
type in any section name or legal (dot) number and, at a click, the tool
replaces it with a a cross-reference to the section name or legal number.
Another is a package that provides a stable alternative to Word's list
numbering, but using SEQ fields.

This joke reminds me of the one about Pascal programmers that goes like
this: "What's the difference between Pascal programmers and assembly
language programmers. Assembly language programmers play rugby, whereas Pascal
programmers play tiddlywinks..."

Thanks,

  - avi


On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 08:29:19 +0300, Avraham Makeler
>  wrote:
>
> >>> Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin
>
> An excellent tool, as many have said.
>
> >Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes...
>
> You need more sleep.  ;-)
>
> >$60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete
> >applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have
> written
> >a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to
> me
> >to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply & Demand... if it sells...
> it
> >sells...
>
> I'll just add one more kick to this very dead horse, from
> the perspective of a toolmaker.  Frame plugins like Rick
> makes are not trivial.  They require a very experienced
> C/C++ programmer who knows *all* the nasty little bits of
> the FDK that are undocumented, as well as the massive part
> that is documented.  Development time for this is not short.
> And market size is around 1% of that for a Word plugin.
>
> OTOH, a VBA Word macro can be written by script kiddies
> in a few minutes.
>
> A price of $60 for a Frame plugin is very, very low.
>
> A price of $20 for a Word macro, euphemistically called
> a "program", sounds kinda high.  ;-)  Most are free.
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>http://www.omsys.com/
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Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.

I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object names
are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21" 1600x1200
monitor).

The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
further couple of columns.

I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and Table
Designer, but I still have the same problem.

Ideas?

TIA



- avi

Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Avraham Makeler]

Forgot to specify: I am using FrameMaker 7.2.

Thanks,

  - avi



On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Avraham Makeler wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.
>
> I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object names
> are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21" 1600x1200
> monitor).
>
> The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
> the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
> waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
> further couple of columns.
>
> I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and
> Table Designer, but I still have the same problem.
>
> Ideas?
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> - avi
>



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Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi Richard,

You got it all spot on! Congrats!

I now set DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=On, and I get the real situation.

(Just one little thing:  when I restarted FM after changing the above cfg
param value, FM notified me of an internal error...but that doesn't seem to
be bothering it from continuing to function ...so far.)

Thanks!

 - avi



On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
> > I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.
> >
> > I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object
> names
> > are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21" 1600x1200
> > monitor).
> >
> > The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
> > the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
> > waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
> > further couple of columns.
> >
> > I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and
> > Table
> > Designer, but I still have the same problem.
>
> Have you tried printing a page containing such a table? The "problem" may
> exist only on your monitor. Screen font metrics and printer font metrics
> aren't the same.
>
> There's a setting in the [Fonts] section of the maker.ini file that governs
> how characters are spaced on the screen. By default, it's set as follows:
>
>DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=Off
>
> This setting uses screen font metrics, which produce the best screen
> display, but don't accurately reflect line lengths when printed. So you
> think there's lots of room left on a line and wonder why it wraps so soon.
> But actually the line is full when printer font metrics are applied.
>
> If you change that setting to On, the screen display will more accurately
> reflect line lengths when you print (and that means either printing hardcopy
> or creating a PDF).
>
> HTH!
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

Sorry I couldn't get back to this sooner.

I read the responses. Since there is a saying in my local culture that says
*They* are allowed, and *you* are not, which I interpret as meaning that
the individual has to abide by the opinion of the majority (and even maybe
also realign his head)...

... I therefore humbly bow my head to the large majority opinion.

Actually ... it's not the $60 that's the problem. There is going to be a
simply a practical problem of  what will probably turn out to be the $60
multiplied up many times. I am not used to living with deficiencies and
bugs. In Word, I program my own solutions. In FM, for the time being, I am
going to have to pay a lot of money I don't have, or else justify
the deficiencies to my clients.

 OTOH, a VBA Word macro can be written by script kiddies in a few minutes.

I assume this is a joke. I have written whole applications and tools in Word
VBA that took many days. Of my favorite is an auto linker, allowing you to
type in any section name or legal (dot) number and, at a click, the tool
replaces it with a a cross-reference to the section name or legal number.
Another is a package that provides a stable alternative to Word's list
numbering, but using SEQ fields.

This joke reminds me of the one about Pascal programmers that goes like
this: What's the difference between Pascal programmers and assembly
language programmers. Assembly language programmers play rugby, whereas Pascal
programmers play tiddlywinks...

Thanks,

  - avi


On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.comwrote:

 On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 08:29:19 +0300, Avraham Makeler
 amake...@gmail.com wrote:

  Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin

 An excellent tool, as many have said.

 Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes...

 You need more sleep.  ;-)

 $60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete
 applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have
 written
 a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to
 me
 to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply  Demand... if it sells...
 it
 sells...

 I'll just add one more kick to this very dead horse, from
 the perspective of a toolmaker.  Frame plugins like Rick
 makes are not trivial.  They require a very experienced
 C/C++ programmer who knows *all* the nasty little bits of
 the FDK that are undocumented, as well as the massive part
 that is documented.  Development time for this is not short.
 And market size is around 1% of that for a Word plugin.

 OTOH, a VBA Word macro can be written by script kiddies
 in a few minutes.

 A price of $60 for a Frame plugin is very, very low.

 A price of $20 for a Word macro, euphemistically called
 a program, sounds kinda high.  ;-)  Most are free.

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Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.

I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object names
are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21 1600x1200
monitor).

The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
further couple of columns.

I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and Table
Designer, but I still have the same problem.

Ideas?

TIA



- avi
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Re: Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Avraham Makeler]

Forgot to specify: I am using FrameMaker 7.2.

Thanks,

  - avi



On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi all,

 I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.

 I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object names
 are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21 1600x1200
 monitor).

 The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
 the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
 waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
 further couple of columns.

 I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and
 Table Designer, but I still have the same problem.

 Ideas?

 TIA



 - avi




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Re: Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi Richard,

You got it all spot on! Congrats!

I now set DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=On, and I get the real situation.

(Just one little thing:  when I restarted FM after changing the above cfg
param value, FM notified me of an internal error...but that doesn't seem to
be bothering it from continuing to function ...so far.)

Thanks!

 - avi



On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Combs, Richard
richard.co...@polycom.comwrote:

 Avraham Makeler wrote:

  I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.
 
  I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object
 names
  are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21 1600x1200
  monitor).
 
  The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
  the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
  waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
  further couple of columns.
 
  I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and
  Table
  Designer, but I still have the same problem.

 Have you tried printing a page containing such a table? The problem may
 exist only on your monitor. Screen font metrics and printer font metrics
 aren't the same.

 There's a setting in the [Fonts] section of the maker.ini file that governs
 how characters are spaced on the screen. By default, it's set as follows:

DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=Off

 This setting uses screen font metrics, which produce the best screen
 display, but don't accurately reflect line lengths when printed. So you
 think there's lots of room left on a line and wonder why it wraps so soon.
 But actually the line is full when printer font metrics are applied.

 If you change that setting to On, the screen display will more accurately
 reflect line lengths when you print (and that means either printing hardcopy
 or creating a PDF).

 HTH!

 Richard G. Combs
 Senior Technical Writer
 Polycom, Inc.
 richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
 303-223-5111
 --
 rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
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Windows 7 and Frame 7.1

[Avraham Makeler]

I understand that MS offers a free XP emulator that you can download and
 install. This helps to run "older" apps on Win7 64-bit.

avraham



On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:

> FrameMaker 9 is a 32-bit program that will properly install and run under
> Windows Vista
> and Windows 7 64-bit versions.
>
> FrameMaker 7.1 is also a 32-bit program. Adobe does not officially support
> it under
> Windows Vista or Windows 7, either 32-bit or 64-bit version. You may coerce
> it to install
> and run in those environments, but YMMV and you are on your own for any
> support.
>
>- Dov
>
> > -Original Message-
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> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> > Paul Kent
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:36 PM
> > To: Framers; Framers
> > Subject: Windows 7 and Frame 7.1
> >
> > Looking at doing a (forced) computer upgrade and I seem to recall some
> threads concerning this
> > subject.
> >
> > Am I correct in remembering that Frame 9 is 64-bit compliant, but Frame
> 7.1 is not?
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table

[Avraham Makeler]

>> Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin

Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes...

$60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete
applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have written
a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to me
to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply & Demand... if it sells... it
sells...

avraham





On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Baruch Brodersen wrote:

> Hi Avi,
> Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin makes short work of this. Simply select
> the row or rows you want to repeat, and choose Table > Convert Select Rows >
> Body to heading Rows.
> Short of that, you might try a) applying a table format to the imported
> table, and b) add a header row (Table > Add Rows or Columns > Add a Header a
> Header Row), c) copy and paste the original cells into that, then delete the
> original row.
>
> --
> B a r u c h   B r o d e r s e n
> T e c h n i t e x t   D o c u m e n t a t i o n
> 8 7 7  7 2 1  6 9 8 8
>
>
>>  On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> >   RE:  Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not
>> > repeated for further pages of the table
>> >
>> > Using: FM 7.2.
>> > Importing from: Word 2003
>>
>
>
>>  
>>
>>
>>


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Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

  RE:  Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated
for further pages of the table

Using: FM 7.2.
Importing from: Word 2003

I found that when I import documents from Word 2003 that contain long
tables, the table heading row is not repeated for further pages of the same
table.

I expected there to be a simple Properties setting controlling this, but I
could not find one. I tried opening the FM documents in FM 8 to see if such
a Properties setting exists there, and still no luck.

So I ran a search for a solution, and I found the *The Word-to-Frame table
macro*, by a certain *Stephen Sealy*, at:
http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf

You save your FM document as a MIF file, and then load it into Word's VBA
environment (yes...Word - we just want to use the Word API's powerful string
processing facilities), and run Stephen's VBA program.

Ok, great - but it didn't work. So I debugged it a bit, and found that it
used a search string that was not quite accurate, so the searches did not
work. Ok - so I fixed that, and ran it again. Then I found that it started
to update the MIF by adding header rows, but then it hung the PC.

OK - so it probably works, but maybe it was written for a different version
of FM and/or MIF.
So is there a different solution for this?
Or does somebody have a debugged version of this VBA program? (For FM 7.2.)

TIA

  - avi


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Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table

[Avraham Makeler]

Just remembered FM9 exists. Does anybody know if FM9 has a Table Properties
setting for this? (So I could install an evaluation edition for now (does it
save...?) and save my FM file backwards to FM8 to FM7.)

  - avi



On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

   RE:  Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not
 repeated for further pages of the table

 Using: FM 7.2.
 Importing from: Word 2003

 I found that when I import documents from Word 2003 that contain long
 tables, the table heading row is not repeated for further pages of the same
 table.

 I expected there to be a simple Properties setting controlling this, but I
 could not find one. I tried opening the FM documents in FM 8 to see if such
 a Properties setting exists there, and still no luck.

 So I ran a search for a solution, and I found the *The Word-to-Frame
 table macro*, by a certain *Stephen Sealy*, at:
 http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf

 You save your FM document as a MIF file, and then load it into Word's VBA
 environment (yes...Word - we just want to use the Word API's powerful string
 processing facilities), and run Stephen's VBA program.

 Ok, great - but it didn't work. So I debugged it a bit, and found that it
 used a search string that was not quite accurate, so the searches did not
 work. Ok - so I fixed that, and ran it again. Then I found that it started
 to update the MIF by adding header rows, but then it hung the PC.

 OK - so it probably works, but maybe it was written for a different version
 of FM and/or MIF.
 So is there a different solution for this?
 Or does somebody have a debugged version of this VBA program? (For FM 7.2.)

 TIA

   - avi


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Re: Windows 7 and Frame 7.1

[Avraham Makeler]

I understand that MS offers a free XP emulator that you can download and
 install. This helps to run older apps on Win7 64-bit.

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 FrameMaker 9 is a 32-bit program that will properly install and run under
 Windows Vista
 and Windows 7 64-bit versions.

 FrameMaker 7.1 is also a 32-bit program. Adobe does not officially support
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 Windows Vista or Windows 7, either 32-bit or 64-bit version. You may coerce
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Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table

[Avraham Makeler]

 Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin

Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes...

$60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete
applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have written
a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to me
to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply  Demand... if it sells... it
sells...

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On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Baruch Brodersen bar...@technitext.comwrote:

 Hi Avi,
 Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin makes short work of this. Simply select
 the row or rows you want to repeat, and choose Table  Convert Select Rows 
 Body to heading Rows.
 Short of that, you might try a) applying a table format to the imported
 table, and b) add a header row (Table  Add Rows or Columns  Add a Header a
 Header Row), c) copy and paste the original cells into that, then delete the
 original row.

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 wrote:

  Hi all,
 
RE:  Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not
  repeated for further pages of the table
 
  Using: FM 7.2.
  Importing from: Word 2003



  snip/





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Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

  RE:  Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated
for further pages of the table

Using: FM 7.2.
Importing from: Word 2003

I found that when I import documents from Word 2003 that contain long
tables, the table heading row is not repeated for further pages of the same
table.

I expected there to be a simple Properties setting controlling this, but I
could not find one. I tried opening the FM documents in FM 8 to see if such
a Properties setting exists there, and still no luck.

So I ran a search for a solution, and I found the *"The Word-to-Frame table
macro"*, by a certain *Stephen Sealy*, at:
http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf

You save your FM document as a MIF file, and then load it into Word's VBA
environment (yes...Word - we just want to use the Word API's powerful string
processing facilities), and run Stephen's VBA program.

Ok, great - but it didn't work. So I debugged it a bit, and found that it
used a search string that was not quite accurate, so the searches did not
work. Ok - so I fixed that, and ran it again. Then I found that it started
to update the MIF by adding header rows, but then it hung the PC.

OK - so it probably works, but maybe it was written for a different version
of FM and/or MIF.
So is there a different solution for this?
Or does somebody have a debugged version of this VBA program? (For FM 7.2.)

TIA

  - avi


"Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle"

Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table

[Avraham Makeler]

Just remembered FM9 exists. Does anybody know if FM9 has a Table Properties
setting for this? (So I could install an evaluation edition for now (does it
save...?) and save my FM file backwards to FM8 to FM7.)

  - avi



On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>   RE:  Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not
> repeated for further pages of the table
>
> Using: FM 7.2.
> Importing from: Word 2003
>
> I found that when I import documents from Word 2003 that contain long
> tables, the table heading row is not repeated for further pages of the same
> table.
>
> I expected there to be a simple Properties setting controlling this, but I
> could not find one. I tried opening the FM documents in FM 8 to see if such
> a Properties setting exists there, and still no luck.
>
> So I ran a search for a solution, and I found the *"The Word-to-Frame
> table macro"*, by a certain *Stephen Sealy*, at:
> http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf
>
> You save your FM document as a MIF file, and then load it into Word's VBA
> environment (yes...Word - we just want to use the Word API's powerful string
> processing facilities), and run Stephen's VBA program.
>
> Ok, great - but it didn't work. So I debugged it a bit, and found that it
> used a search string that was not quite accurate, so the searches did not
> work. Ok - so I fixed that, and ran it again. Then I found that it started
> to update the MIF by adding header rows, but then it hung the PC.
>
> OK - so it probably works, but maybe it was written for a different version
> of FM and/or MIF.
> So is there a different solution for this?
> Or does somebody have a debugged version of this VBA program? (For FM 7.2.)
>
> TIA
>
>   - avi
>
>
> "Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle"
>



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Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

[Avraham Makeler]

 you have text objects turned on, right?

You mean FM7.2 Menu  View  View Options  Text Symbols ?




On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.comwrote:

 First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could
 become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be under the
 impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a
 basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets,
 there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept
 for an hour or so, your readers probably can.

 If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because
 they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight.

 With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one
 of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the
 word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on,
 right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the
 clipboard.

 Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
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 a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358


 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi all,

  RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

 I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The
 book
 is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new
 material
 is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type)
 that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks
 about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the
 SME
 wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be
 converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what
 I
 am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to
 type+select
 the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then
 click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears?

 Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using
 VBA. Took me about a week. Works great.

 TIA

 - avi
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FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the response.

>> Although I suspect/hope "every other word" is something of an
exaggeration. :-)

Yes it was a bit of an exaggeration. I just wanted to create the
"atmosphere".  :-)

Thanks,

   - avi



On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
> > Hi Art. Thanks for the response.
> >
> > >> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and
> > could
> > become a potential maintenance nightmare.
> >
> > >> I think it's unnecessary
> > I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides.
> So
> > they want what they see elsewhere.
>
> Agreed. In online programmer/API documentation, users expect references to
> other classes, methods, functions, etc., to be links to them. Although I
> suspect/hope "every other word" is something of an exaggeration. :-)
>
> > >> could become a potential maintenance nightmare.
> > That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because
> > none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that
> > horrifying potential in practice.
>
> If you use FM cross-references, I don't see why it would ever become a
> maintenance problem. Presumably, all these cross-references would use the
> <$paratext> building block to retrieve the text of a heading pgf that
> contains the name of the software object being referenced. If a function's
> name changes from getAnotherFoo to getNextFoo, you change the name in the
> heading, and FM updates all the xrefs to that heading automagically.
>
> As for automating your task, it could be done with FrameScript (
> www.framescript.com) or FrameAC (
> www.mekon.com/index.php/pages/knowledge_zone/frameac/products/technologies/manage).
> Since you have VB experience, the latter makes more sense for you if you
> want to "roll your own." Alternatively, you might want to get a quote from
> Rick Quatro (www.frameexpert.com) for a custom FrameScript solution.
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
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FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

[Avraham Makeler]

>> you have text objects turned on, right?

You mean FM7.2 Menu > View > View Options > Text Symbols ?




On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Art Campbell wrote:

> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could
> become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be under the
> impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a
> basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets,
> there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept
> for an hour or so, your readers probably can.
>
> If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because
> they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight.
>
> With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one
> of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the
> word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on,
> right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the
> clipboard.
>
> Art Campbell
>art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and
> a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>           DoD 358
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
>>
>> I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The
>> book
>> is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new
>> material
>> is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type)
>> that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks
>> about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the
>> SME
>> wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be
>> converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what
>> I
>> am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to
>> type+select
>> the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then
>> click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears?
>>
>> Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using
>> VBA. Took me about a week. Works great.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> - avi
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Re: ARE: Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word

[Avraham Makeler]

 Unfortunately, Word does not make it as easy to link/reference the
graphic as other programs do.

It was always dead easy for me. Just get up the Insert Picture browser,
select the pic you want to insert, and then select the Insert mode. That was
from Word 2003. What's happened since 2003?

  avi



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 wrote:

  I was saying that Word can function reliably with large documents on a
 regular
  basis, provided one uses styles and templates, as recommended. (Just
 expect
  some exasperation with numbered lists.)

 Another thing that will stabilize Word documents is to link to graphics
 rather than embed or cut-and-paste. Unfortunately, Word does not make it as
 easy to link/reference the graphic as other programs do.


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FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

  RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The book
is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new material
is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type)
that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks
about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the SME
wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be
converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what I
am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to type+select
the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then
click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears?

Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using
VBA. Took me about a week. Works great.

TIA

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Re: FM72. Tool to quickly make lots of cross-refs?

[Avraham Makeler]

My apologies to the list about the sloppy subject line. I was dozing off by
the time I was completing the post, but wanted to send it before I took a
siesta. Look what happened. That teaches me a lesson...

  - avi




On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

   RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

 I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The book
 is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new material
 is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type)
 that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks
 about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the SME
 wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be
 converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what I
 am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to type+select
 the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then
 click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears?

 Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using
 VBA. Took me about a week. Works great.

 TIA

  - avi




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Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi Art. Thanks for the response.

 First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could
become a potential maintenance nightmare.

 I think it's unnecessary
I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides. So
they want what they see elsewhere.

 could become a potential maintenance nightmare.
That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because
none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that
horrifying potential in practice.

I think it could be more likely to be a maintenance nightmare if this API
had a reputation for its objects' names being changed every now and again,
as well as their positions in the document being changed. However, in the
year and half I have known this API document it has only ever grown---it is
now over 700 pages long---it has never *changed*. But you know what - I
could them about this.

 The SME seems to be under the impression that if a reader, probably
another coder, will forget what a basic programming object is in less than
90 seconds... If the SME forgets, there may be a reason to do it, but if he
or she can hold on to the concept for an hour or so, your readers probably
can.

As I mentioned, I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API
reference guides, and at 720 pages there is plenty to forget...

 If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because
they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight.

I will have to check that out. Thanks.

 With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define
one of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy
the word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on,
right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the
clipboard.

Thanks for the idea. That's useful in cases where the same text is repeated
many times. In the updates to this document, all the cross-refs are
different. (At 720 pages, there are so many link targets to choose from, why
repeat the same ones...?! ha ha.)

Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste it into
an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small window
and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and when I meet a
repeat instance.

Great thanks,

  - avi




On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.comwrote:

 First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could
 become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be under the
 impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a
 basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets,
 there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept
 for an hour or so, your readers probably can.

 If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because
 they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight.

 With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one
 of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the
 word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on,
 right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the
 clipboard.

 Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and
 a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358


 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi all,

  RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

 I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The
 book
 is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new
 material
 is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type)
 that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks
 about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the
 SME
 wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be
 converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what
 I
 am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to
 type+select
 the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then
 click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears?

 Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using
 VBA. Took me about a week. Works great.

 TIA

 - avi
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ARE: Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word

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>> Unfortunately, Word does not make it as easy to link/reference the
graphic as other programs do.

It was always dead easy for me. Just get up the Insert Picture browser,
select the pic you want to insert, and then select the Insert mode. That was
from Word 2003. What's happened since 2003?

  avi



On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:51 PM, David Creamer  wrote:

> > I was saying that Word can function reliably with large documents on a
> regular
> > basis, provided one uses styles and templates, as recommended. (Just
> expect
> > some exasperation with numbered lists.)
>
> Another thing that will "stabilize" Word documents is to link to graphics
> rather than embed or cut-and-paste. Unfortunately, Word does not make it as
> easy to link/reference the graphic as other programs do.
>
>
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FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

  RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The book
is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new material
is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type)
that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks
about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the SME
wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be
converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what I
am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to type+select
the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then
click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears?

Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using
VBA. Took me about a week. Works great.

TIA

 - avi

FM72. Tool to quickly make lots of cross-refs?

[Avraham Makeler]

My apologies to the list about the sloppy subject line. I was dozing off by
the time I was completing the post, but wanted to send it before I took a
siesta. Look what happened. That teaches me a lesson...

  - avi




On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Avraham Makeler  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>   RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
>
> I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The book
> is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new material
> is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type)
> that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks
> about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the SME
> wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be
> converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what I
> am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to type+select
> the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then
> click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears?
>
> Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using
> VBA. Took me about a week. Works great.
>
> TIA
>
>  - avi
>
>


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FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi Art. Thanks for the response.

>> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could
become a potential maintenance nightmare.

>> I think it's unnecessary
I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides. So
they want what they see elsewhere.

>> could become a potential maintenance nightmare.
That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because
none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that
horrifying potential in practice.

I think it could be more likely to be a maintenance nightmare if this API
had a reputation for its objects' names being changed every now and again,
as well as their positions in the document being changed. However, in the
year and half I have known this API document it has only ever grown---it is
now over 700 pages long---it has never *changed*. But you know what - I
could them about this.

>> The SME seems to be under the impression that if a reader, probably
another coder, will forget what a basic programming object is in less than
90 seconds... If the SME forgets, there may be a reason to do it, but if he
or she can hold on to the concept for an hour or so, your readers probably
can.

As I mentioned, I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API
reference guides, and at 720 pages there is plenty to forget...

>> If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because
they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight.

I will have to check that out. Thanks.

>> With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define
one of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy
the word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on,
right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the
clipboard.

Thanks for the idea. That's useful in cases where the same text is repeated
many times. In the updates to this document, all the cross-refs are
different. (At 720 pages, there are so many link targets to choose from, why
repeat the same ones...?! ha ha.)

Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste it into
an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small window
and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and when I meet a
repeat instance.

Great thanks,

  - avi




On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Art Campbell wrote:

> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could
> become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be under the
> impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a
> basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets,
> there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept
> for an hour or so, your readers probably can.
>
> If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because
> they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight.
>
> With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one
> of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the
> word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on,
> right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the
> clipboard.
>
> Art Campbell
>art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and
> a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>       DoD 358
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
>>
>> I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The
>> book
>> is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new
>> material
>> is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type)
>> that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks
>> about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the
>> SME
>> wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be
>> converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what
>> I
>> am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to
>> type+select
>> the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then
>> click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears?
>>
>> Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using
>> VBA. Took me about a week. Works great.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> - avi
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Re: Find text Apply tag

[Avraham Makeler]

Thanks all,

avi



On 10/23/09, syed.hos...@aeris.net syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
 Richard, you are absolutely correct!

 I just tested EZVars as well, and the method works perfectly.

 Using EZVars, combined with Sharon's add the character tag to a
 variable recommendation:

   (a) creates the new variable with the required minimum set of
 font changes like italic and spread and
   (b) properly searches for and substitutes the variable for the
 text.

 FWIW, my most heavily used plug-in is Leximation's BookVars (by a wide
 margin) ... and EZTools's EZVars is next. :)

 Z

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs,
 Richard
 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:56 PM
 To: Avraham Makeler
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Find text Apply tag

 Avraham Makeler wrote:

 Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...

 ... almost completely.

 Sharon was absolutely correct about creating a variable. But there's a
 gotcha with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the company name
 text with the variable: When you copy the variable (her step 5), you're
 copying _that specific instance_ of the variable, including the
 formatting of that instance (i.e., the formatting it inherits from the
 pgf it's in).

 So if you copy an instance in body text, it works when you paste it into
 body text, but when you paste it into a heading, it's the wrong size,
 font, weight ... whatever.

 That's why I recommended EZVars from electropubs.com. It lets you
 replace the company name text with a _new instance_ of the variable,
 just as if you'd selected the text, selected Special  Variable, and
 replaced the text with a variable. Give it a trial -- I think you'll
 agree it's well worth the modest cost.

 If for some reason you can't try EZVars, follow Sharon's instructions,
 but in multiple stages. First, create and copy an instance of the
 variable in body text and use it to replace all body text occurrences of
 the company name. Then create and copy an instance of the variable in
 your Heading 1 pgf and use it to replace Heading 1 occurrences of the
 company name. Repeat for other pgf formats as necessary.

 Or, since there are probably far fewer replacements needed in headings,
 etc., just use Find to select those and then use Special  Variable to
 replace the text manually.

 HTH!

 Richard G. Combs
 Senior Technical Writer
 Polycom, Inc.
 richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
 303-223-5111
 --
 rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
 303-777-0436
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Hi all,

Can you copy an entire master page from one document into another?

Thanks,

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Re: Can you copy an entire master page from one document into another?

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I mean to copy just one or more *specific* master pages from one document to
another.

The 'Import' operation imports all master pages, I suppose.



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 Hi all,

 Can you copy an entire master page from one document into another?

 Thanks,

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Find Apply

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Thanks all,

avi



On 10/23/09, Syed.Hosain at aeris.net  wrote:
> Richard, you are absolutely correct!
>
> I just tested EZVars as well, and the method works perfectly.
>
> Using EZVars, combined with Sharon's "add the character tag" to a
> variable recommendation:
>
>   (a) creates the new variable with the required minimum set of
> font changes like italic and spread and
>   (b) properly searches for and substitutes the variable for the
> text.
>
> FWIW, my most heavily used plug-in is Leximation's BookVars (by a wide
> margin) ... and EZTools's EZVars is next. :)
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs,
> Richard
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:56 PM
> To: Avraham Makeler
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Find  Apply 
>
> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
>> Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...
>>
>> ... almost completely.
>
> Sharon was absolutely correct about creating a variable. But there's a
> "gotcha" with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the company name
> text with the variable: When you copy the variable (her step 5), you're
> copying _that specific instance_ of the variable, including the
> formatting of that instance (i.e., the formatting it inherits from the
> pgf it's in).
>
> So if you copy an instance in body text, it works when you paste it into
> body text, but when you paste it into a heading, it's the wrong size,
> font, weight ... whatever.
>
> That's why I recommended EZVars from electropubs.com. It lets you
> replace the company name text with a _new instance_ of the variable,
> just as if you'd selected the text, selected Special > Variable, and
> replaced the text with a variable. Give it a trial -- I think you'll
> agree it's well worth the modest cost.
>
> If for some reason you can't try EZVars, follow Sharon's instructions,
> but in multiple stages. First, create and copy an instance of the
> variable in body text and use it to replace all body text occurrences of
> the company name. Then create and copy an instance of the variable in
> your Heading 1 pgf and use it to replace Heading 1 occurrences of the
> company name. Repeat for other pgf formats as necessary.
>
> Or, since there are probably far fewer replacements needed in headings,
> etc., just use Find to select those and then use Special > Variable to
> replace the text manually.
>
> HTH!
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
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Can you copy an entire master page from one document into another?

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

Can you copy an entire master page from one document into another?

Thanks,

- avi

Can you copy an entire master page from one document into another?

[Avraham Makeler]

I mean to copy just one or more *specific* master pages from one document to
another.

The 'Import' operation imports all master pages, I suppose.



On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Avraham Makeler  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Can you copy an entire master page from one document into another?
>
> Thanks,
>
> - avi
>

Find Apply

[Avraham Makeler]

>> But there's a "gotcha" with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the
company name text with the variable:
Er ... yeah. I definitely bumped into that gotcha.
Instead of giving up, I tried again and again. Got a bloody nose from it. To
whom do I send the Kleenex bill ...?

Thanks!  :-)

- avi




On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
> > Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...
> >
> > ... almost completely.
>
> Sharon was absolutely correct about creating a variable. But there's a
> "gotcha" with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the company name
> text with the variable: When you copy the variable (her step 5), you're
> copying _that specific instance_ of the variable, including the
> formatting of that instance (i.e., the formatting it inherits from the
> pgf it's in).
>
> So if you copy an instance in body text, it works when you paste it into
> body text, but when you paste it into a heading, it's the wrong size,
> font, weight ... whatever.
>
> That's why I recommended EZVars from electropubs.com. It lets you
> replace the company name text with a _new instance_ of the variable,
> just as if you'd selected the text, selected Special > Variable, and
> replaced the text with a variable. Give it a trial -- I think you'll
> agree it's well worth the modest cost.
>
> If for some reason you can't try EZVars, follow Sharon's instructions,
> but in multiple stages. First, create and copy an instance of the
> variable in body text and use it to replace all body text occurrences of
> the company name. Then create and copy an instance of the variable in
> your Heading 1 pgf and use it to replace Heading 1 occurrences of the
> company name. Repeat for other pgf formats as necessary.
>
> Or, since there are probably far fewer replacements needed in headings,
> etc., just use Find to select those and then use Special > Variable to
> replace the text manually.
>
> HTH!
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Find text Apply tag

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
before ... but not quite.

I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
apply a character style to it.

And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
of applying a character style?

I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags but
they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
tag or formatting.

I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

TIA

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Re: Find text Apply tag

[Avraham Makeler]

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have green fingers...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply As is to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't stick. So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

 As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi




On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Shuttleworth, Roger 
roger_shuttlewo...@tvworks.com wrote:

 Hi Avraham

 To apply the character format:
 1. Create the format and apply it to a text range.
 2. Select the formatted text and go to Edit-Copy Special-Character
 format.
 3. Do a search and replace for your company name. In the Change field,
 select By pasting. This applies the character format that you copied
 previously.

 As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
 agree that this is a Bad Thing. It's certainly not allowed in our office. I
 don't think you can automate it.

 No idea about Rick's script, but I expect he will chime in.

 Regards,

 Roger Shuttleworth
 London, Canada

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
 Sent: October 22, 2009 11:17 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Find text Apply tag

 Hi all,
 I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
 before ... but not quite.

 I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
 apply a character style to it.

 And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
 of applying a character style?

 I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags
 but
 they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
 local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
 tag or formatting.

 I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
 find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

 TIA

 - avi
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Re: Find text Apply tag

[Avraham Makeler]

Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...

... almost completely.

I am having the same problem with the character style that I had with
Roger_Shuttleworth's
suggestion that I Find+Apply  the text string with my desired character
style. Namely, I can;t get the attributes of my style to stay as As Is and
so when I apply the style it does not just apply the italic, which is what I
want, but it applies all the specific style attributes of the style.

Thanks,

avi

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Sharon Burton sha...@anthrobytes.comwrote:

 1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
 TextItalics, for example.
 2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
 3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new
 character
 format, as needed.
 4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the
 CompanyName
 variable you create.
 5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
 buffer.
 6. Open the Find/Replace.
 7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
 company.
 8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard.
 9. Click Find Next.
 10. Click Replace. Click Find Next.
 11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
 your variable.
 (This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)

 The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
 they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
 changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
 and you're done.

 Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
 company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.


 sharon

 Sharon Burton
 MadCap Software Product Consultant
 Managing your content, one topic at a time
 www.anthrobytes.com
 951-369-8590
 IM: sharonvbur...@yahoo.com
 Twitter: sharonburton


 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Find text Apply tag

 It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
 The guys on this forum obviously have green fingers...

 Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
 tried to apply As is to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set
 it
 to italics, but it didn't stick. So when I then applied the Emphasis
 style
 to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
 size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

  As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
 agree that this is a Bad Thing.

 I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at
 least
 I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis)
 above.

 Thanks,

 avi





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Re: Find text Apply tag

[Avraham Makeler]

 But there's a gotcha with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the
company name text with the variable:
Er ... yeah. I definitely bumped into that gotcha.
Instead of giving up, I tried again and again. Got a bloody nose from it. To
whom do I send the Kleenex bill ...?

Thanks!  :-)

- avi




On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Combs, Richard
richard.co...@polycom.comwrote:

 Avraham Makeler wrote:

  Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...
 
  ... almost completely.

 Sharon was absolutely correct about creating a variable. But there's a
 gotcha with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the company name
 text with the variable: When you copy the variable (her step 5), you're
 copying _that specific instance_ of the variable, including the
 formatting of that instance (i.e., the formatting it inherits from the
 pgf it's in).

 So if you copy an instance in body text, it works when you paste it into
 body text, but when you paste it into a heading, it's the wrong size,
 font, weight ... whatever.

 That's why I recommended EZVars from electropubs.com. It lets you
 replace the company name text with a _new instance_ of the variable,
 just as if you'd selected the text, selected Special  Variable, and
 replaced the text with a variable. Give it a trial -- I think you'll
 agree it's well worth the modest cost.

 If for some reason you can't try EZVars, follow Sharon's instructions,
 but in multiple stages. First, create and copy an instance of the
 variable in body text and use it to replace all body text occurrences of
 the company name. Then create and copy an instance of the variable in
 your Heading 1 pgf and use it to replace Heading 1 occurrences of the
 company name. Repeat for other pgf formats as necessary.

 Or, since there are probably far fewer replacements needed in headings,
 etc., just use Find to select those and then use Special  Variable to
 replace the text manually.

 HTH!

 Richard G. Combs
 Senior Technical Writer
 Polycom, Inc.
 richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
 303-223-5111
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 rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
 303-777-0436
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Find Apply

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
before ... but not quite.

I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
apply a character style to it.

And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
of applying a character style?

I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags but
they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
tag or formatting.

I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

TIA

- avi

Find Apply

[Avraham Makeler]

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have "green fingers"...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply "As is" to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't "stick". So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

>> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi




On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Shuttleworth, Roger <
Roger_Shuttleworth at tvworks.com> wrote:

> Hi Avraham
>
> To apply the character format:
> 1. Create the format and apply it to a text range.
> 2. Select the formatted text and go to Edit->Copy Special->Character
> format.
> 3. Do a search and replace for your company name. In the Change field,
> select By pasting. This applies the character format that you copied
> previously.
>
> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
> agree that this is a Bad Thing. It's certainly not allowed in our office. I
> don't think you can automate it.
>
> No idea about Rick's script, but I expect he will chime in.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roger Shuttleworth
> London, Canada
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
> Sent: October 22, 2009 11:17 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Find  Apply 
>
> Hi all,
> I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
> before ... but not quite.
>
> I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
> apply a character style to it.
>
> And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
> of applying a character style?
>
> I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags
> but
> they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
> local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
> tag or formatting.
>
> I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
> find it. Does anybody have a link to this?
>
> TIA
>
> - avi
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Find Apply

[Avraham Makeler]

Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...

... almost completely.

I am having the same problem with the character style that I had with
Roger_Shuttleworth's
suggestion that I Find+Apply  the text string with my desired character
style. Namely, I can;t get the attributes of my style to stay as "As Is" and
so when I apply the style it does not just apply the italic, which is what I
want, but it applies all the specific style attributes of the style.

Thanks,

avi

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Sharon Burton wrote:

> 1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
> TextItalics, for example.
> 2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
> 3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new
> character
> format, as needed.
> 4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the
> CompanyName
> variable you create.
> 5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
> buffer.
> 6. Open the Find/Replace.
> 7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
> company.
> 8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard.
> 9. Click Find Next.
> 10. Click Replace. Click Find Next.
> 11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
> your variable.
> (This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)
>
> The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
> they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
> changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
> and you're done.
>
> Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
> company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.
>
>
> sharon
>
> Sharon Burton
> MadCap Software Product Consultant
> Managing your content, one topic at a time
> www.anthrobytes.com
> 951-369-8590
> IM: sharonvburton at yahoo.com
> Twitter: sharonburton
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Find  Apply 
>
> It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
> The guys on this forum obviously have "green fingers"...
>
> Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
> tried to apply "As is" to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set
> it
> to italics, but it didn't "stick". So when I then applied the Emphasis
> style
> to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
> size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.
>
> >> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
> agree that this is a Bad Thing.
>
> I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at
> least
> I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis)
> above.
>
> Thanks,
>
> avi
>
>
>
>
>

Merging books: Need FM mechanisms and methodologies for merging books with large fraction of identical material

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
  RE: Merging books

The situation:

I have a client who has a large number of FM (7.2/8) books. From amongst
these books, there are two particular sets of books, as follows:

Set #1. Two books having about 50 - 60% identical content  (each book is
~100 pages)

Set #2. Four books having about 10% identical content  (each book is ~80-100
pages)

(No particular connection between the two sets of books; just presenting the
situation.)

Now, the client would like to merge each of these two sets of books so that
each set combines the identical material. E.g., for set #1 above, either the
two books should be combined and the text partitioned by conditional text
controls, or maybe the two books should be kept separate but the identical
part should be maintained in some sort of outside, third, common component
or book (or whatever such a thing would be called), and then when you have
to publish one of the two books, you would be able to include in on the
fly the common, identical component.

Same for set #2.


Questions:

1. What mechanisms does FM provide for constructing merged solutions for
each of these two sets of books?
2. Which mechanism and methodology are recommended for each of the two sets
of books?
3. How long should I estimate it would take me to perform merges for each of
the two sets of books?

TIA

- avi
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Re: Merging books: Need FM mechanisms and methodologies for merging books with large fraction of identical material

[Avraham Makeler]

Thanks, Art.
(a) So you would use the same method for both Set #1 and Set #2?

(b) re: \Shared - You make \Shared contain FM files only?

(c) re: \Graphics - Often many graphics are not shared. So I suppose in that
case you would have a 'Shared Graphics' folder, but also a
separate \Graphics folder for each book.

(d)

 I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a
WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
books are set up and how fast you are.

- Well, I have never done it before.
- So a reasonable estimate for a set with two books is that it could take
two days?

Thanks!

avraham





On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Avraham,

 Question 2:
 I handle this pretty routinely, and I do it by creating a directory
 for each document set. Under that I have a subdirectory for \Graphics,
 \Shared, and \Book -- obviously there are several \Book directories
 with different names, but the graphics and shared content are used by
 the document set so they're at the top level.

 Each FM file in \Shared is used in two or more component files. Some
 are entire stand-alone files -- Copyright info, or the Glossary, and
 things like that. But most are topics that are imported into a parent
 file by reference. One place you may trip up is including heading
 information in the files, because some books will reuse the same core
 of information but use different head structures -- it may be under
 and H1 in some books, and an H2 or something else in another. So when
 possible, I try just to include text, tables and non-hierarchal
 content.

 Question 1:
 There's no automatic way to do this. Copy and paste, and analyze.

 Question 3:
 No idea. I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a
 WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
 books are set up and how fast you are.


 Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
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 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
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 On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi all,
   RE: Merging books
 
  The situation:
 
  I have a client who has a large number of FM (7.2/8) books. From amongst
  these books, there are two particular sets of books, as follows:
 
  Set #1. Two books having about 50 - 60% identical content  (each book is
  ~100 pages)
 
  Set #2. Four books having about 10% identical content  (each book is
 ~80-100
  pages)
 
  (No particular connection between the two sets of books; just presenting
 the
  situation.)
 
  Now, the client would like to merge each of these two sets of books so
 that
  each set combines the identical material. E.g., for set #1 above, either
 the
  two books should be combined and the text partitioned by conditional text
  controls, or maybe the two books should be kept separate but the
 identical
  part should be maintained in some sort of outside, third, common
 component
  or book (or whatever such a thing would be called), and then when you
 have
  to publish one of the two books, you would be able to include in on the
  fly the common, identical component.
 
  Same for set #2.
 
 
  Questions:
 
  1. What mechanisms does FM provide for constructing merged solutions for
  each of these two sets of books?
  2. Which mechanism and methodology are recommended for each of the two
 sets
  of books?
  3. How long should I estimate it would take me to perform merges for each
 of
  the two sets of books?
 
  TIA
 
  - avi
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Re: Merging books: Need FM mechanisms and methodologies for merging books with large fraction of identical material

[Avraham Makeler]

The penny just dropped ... I noticed that you did not recommend (or even
suggest) making them into book and using Conditional Text, even the Set #2
which has the books (four) having about only 10% identical content.
Why, may I ask, did you not recommend Conditional Text?

avraham



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Replies cut in below...

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 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Thanks, Art.
  (a) So you would use the same method for both Set #1 and Set #2?

 I think so; the only real difference seems to be the amount of shared info.
 I might change my mind if I had the files to look at and play with, but

  (b) re: \Shared - You make \Shared contain FM files only?

 Yes, that's the way I do it. Very rarely there are text files to
 include, but what other files (not including graphics) would you
 include?

  (c) re: \Graphics - Often many graphics are not shared. So I suppose in
 that
  case you would have a 'Shared Graphics' folder, but also a
  separate \Graphics folder for each book.

 You could certainly do it that way. I'm not sure that I would because
 there's no way to know how many graphics are reused and how many are
 in the \Shared files. You don't want a graphic in a \Shared file to be
 buried in a book subdirectory.

 I've found it easier to lump all graphics together so that when one
 needs to be changed, it ripples automatically no matter where or how
 many times it's used. YMMV.

  (d)
  I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a
  WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
  books are set up and how fast you are.
  - Well, I have never done it before.
  - So a reasonable estimate for a set with two books is that it could take
  two days?
 If you're going to take it all the way to building new books with the
 shared content, that are ready to go out the door, yes, easily.

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Re: Merging books: Need FM mechanisms and methodologies for merging books with large fraction of identical material

[Avraham Makeler]

 For a two books to be combined, both approximately 100 pages, and if I
had no familiarity with them, I would estimate the time for completion at 5
pages an hour.
 and if I had no familiarity with them

The SME said he will be doing the job of marking (in a PDF or in a Word
export) which blocks are shared. So then I just have to put those marked
blocks in a shared area or add conditional text constructs.

avi



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:39 PM, qui...@airmail.net wrote:

 I will jump in and mention that to avoid a deadline being missed, it's
 appropriate to make certain you estimate ENOUGH time to do the job.

 What you are presenting is something that I would not contemplate in a
 couple of days.

 For a two books to be combined, both approximately 100 pages, and if I had
 no familiarity with them, I would estimate the time for completion at 5
 pages an hour.

 Scott


 Avraham Makeler wrote:

 Thanks, Art.
 (a) So you would use the same method for both Set #1 and Set #2?

 (b) re: \Shared - You make \Shared contain FM files only?

 (c) re: \Graphics - Often many graphics are not shared. So I suppose in
 that
 case you would have a 'Shared Graphics' folder, but also a
 separate \Graphics folder for each book.

 (d)

  I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a

 WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
 books are set up and how fast you are.

 - Well, I have never done it before.
 - So a reasonable estimate for a set with two books is that it could take
 two days?

 Thanks!

 avraham





 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Avraham,

 Question 2:
 I handle this pretty routinely, and I do it by creating a directory
 for each document set. Under that I have a subdirectory for \Graphics,
 \Shared, and \Book -- obviously there are several \Book directories
 with different names, but the graphics and shared content are used by
 the document set so they're at the top level.

 Each FM file in \Shared is used in two or more component files. Some
 are entire stand-alone files -- Copyright info, or the Glossary, and
 things like that. But most are topics that are imported into a parent
 file by reference. One place you may trip up is including heading
 information in the files, because some books will reuse the same core
 of information but use different head structures -- it may be under
 and H1 in some books, and an H2 or something else in another. So when
 possible, I try just to include text, tables and non-hierarchal
 content.

 Question 1:
 There's no automatic way to do this. Copy and paste, and analyze.

 Question 3:
 No idea. I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a
 WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
 books are set up and how fast you are.


 Art Campbell
  art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358



 On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi all,
  RE: Merging books

 The situation:

 I have a client who has a large number of FM (7.2/8) books. From amongst
 these books, there are two particular sets of books, as follows:

 Set #1. Two books having about 50 - 60% identical content  (each book is
 ~100 pages)

 Set #2. Four books having about 10% identical content  (each book is

 ~80-100

 pages)

 (No particular connection between the two sets of books; just presenting

 the

 situation.)

 Now, the client would like to merge each of these two sets of books so

 that

 each set combines the identical material. E.g., for set #1 above, either

 the

 two books should be combined and the text partitioned by conditional
 text
 controls, or maybe the two books should be kept separate but the

 identical

 part should be maintained in some sort of outside, third, common

 component

 or book (or whatever such a thing would be called), and then when you

 have

 to publish one of the two books, you would be able to include in on the
 fly the common, identical component.

 Same for set #2.


 Questions:

 1. What mechanisms does FM provide for constructing merged solutions for
 each of these two sets of books?
 2. Which mechanism and methodology are recommended for each of the two

 sets

 of books?
 3. How long should I estimate it would take me to perform merges for
 each

 of

 the two sets of books?

 TIA

 - avi


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Re: Merging books: Need FM mechanisms and methodologies for merging books with large fraction of identical material

[Avraham Makeler]

 I will jump in and mention that to avoid a deadline being missed,
Good point of course. I already insisted that this is something that they
must postpone until **after** the delivery deadline.

 I would estimate the time for completion at 5 pages an hour.

Hmmm .. so that's 20 hours per 100 pages. So for the six books I list,
that's ~100 hrs = two weeks work. I hope it can be done a bit faster. They
are not going to like to hear 100 hours. In addition, there is also the
possibility of migrating everything from FM to Word floating around at
this particular client. So there is never much point in making a big
investment in FM book restructuring.



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote:

  For a two books to be combined, both approximately 100 pages, and if I
 had no familiarity with them, I would estimate the time for completion at 5
 pages an hour.
  and if I had no familiarity with them

 The SME said he will be doing the job of marking (in a PDF or in a Word
 export) which blocks are shared. So then I just have to put those marked
 blocks in a shared area or add conditional text constructs.

 avi



 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:39 PM, qui...@airmail.net wrote:

 I will jump in and mention that to avoid a deadline being missed, it's
 appropriate to make certain you estimate ENOUGH time to do the job.

 What you are presenting is something that I would not contemplate in a
 couple of days.

 For a two books to be combined, both approximately 100 pages, and if I had
 no familiarity with them, I would estimate the time for completion at 5
 pages an hour.

 Scott


 Avraham Makeler wrote:

 Thanks, Art.
 (a) So you would use the same method for both Set #1 and Set #2?

 (b) re: \Shared - You make \Shared contain FM files only?

 (c) re: \Graphics - Often many graphics are not shared. So I suppose in
 that
 case you would have a 'Shared Graphics' folder, but also a
 separate \Graphics folder for each book.

 (d)

  I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a

 WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
 books are set up and how fast you are.

 - Well, I have never done it before.
 - So a reasonable estimate for a set with two books is that it could take
 two days?

 Thanks!

 avraham





 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Avraham,

 Question 2:
 I handle this pretty routinely, and I do it by creating a directory
 for each document set. Under that I have a subdirectory for \Graphics,
 \Shared, and \Book -- obviously there are several \Book directories
 with different names, but the graphics and shared content are used by
 the document set so they're at the top level.

 Each FM file in \Shared is used in two or more component files. Some
 are entire stand-alone files -- Copyright info, or the Glossary, and
 things like that. But most are topics that are imported into a parent
 file by reference. One place you may trip up is including heading
 information in the files, because some books will reuse the same core
 of information but use different head structures -- it may be under
 and H1 in some books, and an H2 or something else in another. So when
 possible, I try just to include text, tables and non-hierarchal
 content.

 Question 1:
 There's no automatic way to do this. Copy and paste, and analyze.

 Question 3:
 No idea. I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a
 WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
 books are set up and how fast you are.


 Art Campbell
  art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
 apply.
  DoD 358



 On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi all,
  RE: Merging books

 The situation:

 I have a client who has a large number of FM (7.2/8) books. From
 amongst
 these books, there are two particular sets of books, as follows:

 Set #1. Two books having about 50 - 60% identical content  (each book
 is
 ~100 pages)

 Set #2. Four books having about 10% identical content  (each book is

 ~80-100

 pages)

 (No particular connection between the two sets of books; just
 presenting

 the

 situation.)

 Now, the client would like to merge each of these two sets of books so

 that

 each set combines the identical material. E.g., for set #1 above,
 either

 the

 two books should be combined and the text partitioned by conditional
 text
 controls, or maybe the two books should be kept separate but the

 identical

 part should be maintained in some sort of outside, third, common

 component

 or book (or whatever such a thing would be called), and then when you

 have

 to publish one of the two books, you would be able to include in on
 the
 fly the common

To make a hyperlink to a different area of text in the same book

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
I need to make a hyperlink (hypertext) to a different area of text in the
same book-- actually in the same document/file.

How would I do this.

In Word this would be a two step operation:

1. Create a bookmark extending at or over the range of the text.
2. Create a hyperlink by opening the Insert Hyperlink dlg box , locating the
bookmark and then creating the hypertext.

How do I do this in FM.

I can see that in FM there are things called markers (like bookmarks?).

And I can make cross-references to markers by setting the 'Source Type' to
'Cross-reference Markers', but then I am not sure which building block to
put in the Reference Format that I must make. I have found something
predefined called 'MarkerTextOnly' but when I use that it just deletes the
text to which I wanted to add a hyperlink.

Help would be appreciated ...

TIA

- avi
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[Avraham Makeler]

Thanks, Art.
(a) So you would use the same method for both Set #1 and Set #2?

(b) re: \Shared - You make \Shared contain FM files only?

(c) re: \Graphics - Often many graphics are not shared. So I suppose in that
case you would have a 'Shared Graphics' folder, but also a
separate \Graphics folder for each book.

(d)

>> I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a
WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
books are set up and how fast you are.

- Well, I have never done it before.
- So a reasonable estimate for a set with two books is that it could take
two days?

Thanks!

avraham





On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Art Campbell wrote:

> Avraham,
>
> Question 2:
> I handle this pretty routinely, and I do it by creating a directory
> for each document set. Under that I have a subdirectory for \Graphics,
> \Shared, and \Book -- obviously there are several \Book directories
> with different names, but the graphics and shared content are used by
> the document set so they're at the top level.
>
> Each FM file in \Shared is used in two or more component files. Some
> are entire stand-alone files -- Copyright info, or the Glossary, and
> things like that. But most are topics that are imported into a parent
> file by reference. One place you may trip up is including heading
> information in the files, because some books will reuse the same core
> of information but use different head structures -- it may be under
> and H1 in some books, and an H2 or something else in another. So when
> possible, I try just to include text, tables and non-hierarchal
> content.
>
> Question 1:
> There's no automatic way to do this. Copy and paste, and analyze.
>
> Question 3:
> No idea. I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a
> WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
> books are set up and how fast you are.
>
>
> Art Campbell
>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>       DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Avraham Makeler 
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >  RE: Merging books
> >
> > The situation:
> >
> > I have a client who has a large number of FM (7.2/8) books. From amongst
> > these books, there are two particular sets of books, as follows:
> >
> > Set #1. Two books having about 50 - 60% identical content  (each book is
> > ~100 pages)
> >
> > Set #2. Four books having about 10% identical content  (each book is
> ~80-100
> > pages)
> >
> > (No particular connection between the two sets of books; just presenting
> the
> > situation.)
> >
> > Now, the client would like to merge each of these two sets of books so
> that
> > each set combines the identical material. E.g., for set #1 above, either
> the
> > two books should be combined and the text partitioned by conditional text
> > controls, or maybe the two books should be kept separate but the
> identical
> > part should be maintained in some sort of outside, third, common
> component
> > or "book" (or whatever such a thing would be called), and then when you
> have
> > to publish one of the two books, you would be able to include in "on the
> > fly" the common, identical component.
> >
> > Same for set #2.
> >
> >
> > Questions:
> >
> > 1. What mechanisms does FM provide for constructing merged solutions for
> > each of these two sets of books?
> > 2. Which mechanism and methodology are recommended for each of the two
> sets
> > of books?
> > 3. How long should I estimate it would take me to perform merges for each
> of
> > the two sets of books?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > - avi
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Merging books: Need FM mechanisms and methodologies for merging books with large fraction of identical material

[Avraham Makeler]

The penny just dropped ... I noticed that you did not recommend (or even
suggest) making them into book and using Conditional Text, even the Set #2
which has the books (four) having about only 10% identical content.
Why, may I ask, did you not recommend Conditional Text?

avraham



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Art Campbell wrote:

> Replies cut in below...
>
> Art Campbell
>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Avraham Makeler 
> wrote:
> > Thanks, Art.
> > (a) So you would use the same method for both Set #1 and Set #2?
>
> I think so; the only real difference seems to be the amount of shared info.
> I might change my mind if I had the files to look at and play with, but
>
> > (b) re: \Shared - You make \Shared contain FM files only?
>
> Yes, that's the way I do it. Very rarely there are text files to
> include, but what other files (not including graphics) would you
> include?
>
> > (c) re: \Graphics - Often many graphics are not shared. So I suppose in
> that
> > case you would have a 'Shared Graphics' folder, but also a
> > separate \Graphics folder for each book.
>
> You could certainly do it that way. I'm not sure that I would because
> there's no way to know how many graphics are reused and how many are
> in the \Shared files. You don't want a graphic in a \Shared file to be
> buried in a book subdirectory.
>
> I've found it easier to lump all graphics together so that when one
> needs to be changed, it ripples automatically no matter where or how
> many times it's used. YMMV.
>
> > (d)
> >>> I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a
> > WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
> > books are set up and how fast you are.
> > - Well, I have never done it before.
> > - So a reasonable estimate for a set with two books is that it could take
> > two days?
> If you're going to take it all the way to building new books with the
> shared content, that are ready to go out the door, yes, easily.
>

Merging books: Need FM mechanisms and methodologies for merging books with large fraction of identical material

[Avraham Makeler]

>> For a two books to be combined, both approximately 100 pages, and if I
had no familiarity with them, I would estimate the time for completion at 5
pages an hour.
>> and if I had no familiarity with them

The SME said he will be doing the job of marking (in a PDF or in a Word
export) which blocks are shared. So then I "just" have to put those marked
blocks in a shared area or add conditional text constructs.

avi



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:39 PM,  wrote:

> I will jump in and mention that to avoid a deadline being missed, it's
> appropriate to make certain you estimate ENOUGH time to do the job.
>
> What you are presenting is something that I would not contemplate in a
> couple of days.
>
> For a two books to be combined, both approximately 100 pages, and if I had
> no familiarity with them, I would estimate the time for completion at 5
> pages an hour.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Art.
>> (a) So you would use the same method for both Set #1 and Set #2?
>>
>> (b) re: \Shared - You make \Shared contain FM files only?
>>
>> (c) re: \Graphics - Often many graphics are not shared. So I suppose in
>> that
>> case you would have a 'Shared Graphics' folder, but also a
>> separate \Graphics folder for each book.
>>
>> (d)
>>
>>  I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a
>>>>
>>> WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
>> books are set up and how fast you are.
>>
>> - Well, I have never done it before.
>> - So a reasonable estimate for a set with two books is that it could take
>> two days?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> avraham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Art Campbell > >wrote:
>>
>>  Avraham,
>>>
>>> Question 2:
>>> I handle this pretty routinely, and I do it by creating a directory
>>> for each document set. Under that I have a subdirectory for \Graphics,
>>> \Shared, and \Book -- obviously there are several \Book directories
>>> with different names, but the graphics and shared content are used by
>>> the document set so they're at the top level.
>>>
>>> Each FM file in \Shared is used in two or more component files. Some
>>> are entire stand-alone files -- Copyright info, or the Glossary, and
>>> things like that. But most are topics that are imported into a parent
>>> file by reference. One place you may trip up is including heading
>>> information in the files, because some books will reuse the same core
>>> of information but use different head structures -- it may be under
>>> and H1 in some books, and an H2 or something else in another. So when
>>> possible, I try just to include text, tables and non-hierarchal
>>> content.
>>>
>>> Question 1:
>>> There's no automatic way to do this. Copy and paste, and analyze.
>>>
>>> Question 3:
>>> No idea. I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a
>>> WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
>>> books are set up and how fast you are.
>>>
>>>
>>> Art Campbell
>>>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>> No disclaimers apply.
>>>  DoD 358
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Avraham Makeler 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>  RE: Merging books
>>>>
>>>> The situation:
>>>>
>>>> I have a client who has a large number of FM (7.2/8) books. From amongst
>>>> these books, there are two particular sets of books, as follows:
>>>>
>>>> Set #1. Two books having about 50 - 60% identical content  (each book is
>>>> ~100 pages)
>>>>
>>>> Set #2. Four books having about 10% identical content  (each book is
>>>>
>>> ~80-100
>>>
>>>> pages)
>>>>
>>>> (No particular connection between the two sets of books; just presenting
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> situation.)
>>>>
>>>> Now, the client would like to merge each of these two sets of books so
>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>> each set combines the i

Merging books: Need FM mechanisms and methodologies for merging books with large fraction of identical material

[Avraham Makeler]

>> I will jump in and mention that to avoid a deadline being missed,
Good point of course. I already insisted that this is something that they
must postpone until **after** the delivery deadline.

>> I would estimate the time for completion at 5 pages an hour.

Hmmm .. so that's 20 hours per 100 pages. So for the six books I list,
that's ~100 hrs = two weeks work. I hope it can be done a bit faster. They
are not going to like to hear 100 hours. In addition, there is also the
"possibility of migrating everything from FM to Word" floating around at
this particular client. So there is never much point in making a big
investment in FM book restructuring.



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Avraham Makeler  wrote:

> >> For a two books to be combined, both approximately 100 pages, and if I
> had no familiarity with them, I would estimate the time for completion at 5
> pages an hour.
> >> and if I had no familiarity with them
>
> The SME said he will be doing the job of marking (in a PDF or in a Word
> export) which blocks are shared. So then I "just" have to put those marked
> blocks in a shared area or add conditional text constructs.
>
> avi
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:39 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I will jump in and mention that to avoid a deadline being missed, it's
>> appropriate to make certain you estimate ENOUGH time to do the job.
>>
>> What you are presenting is something that I would not contemplate in a
>> couple of days.
>>
>> For a two books to be combined, both approximately 100 pages, and if I had
>> no familiarity with them, I would estimate the time for completion at 5
>> pages an hour.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Art.
>>> (a) So you would use the same method for both Set #1 and Set #2?
>>>
>>> (b) re: \Shared - You make \Shared contain FM files only?
>>>
>>> (c) re: \Graphics - Often many graphics are not shared. So I suppose in
>>> that
>>> case you would have a 'Shared Graphics' folder, but also a
>>> separate \Graphics folder for each book.
>>>
>>> (d)
>>>
>>>  I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a
>>>>>
>>>> WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
>>> books are set up and how fast you are.
>>>
>>> - Well, I have never done it before.
>>> - So a reasonable estimate for a set with two books is that it could take
>>> two days?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> avraham
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Art Campbell >> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  Avraham,
>>>>
>>>> Question 2:
>>>> I handle this pretty routinely, and I do it by creating a directory
>>>> for each document set. Under that I have a subdirectory for \Graphics,
>>>> \Shared, and \Book -- obviously there are several \Book directories
>>>> with different names, but the graphics and shared content are used by
>>>> the document set so they're at the top level.
>>>>
>>>> Each FM file in \Shared is used in two or more component files. Some
>>>> are entire stand-alone files -- Copyright info, or the Glossary, and
>>>> things like that. But most are topics that are imported into a parent
>>>> file by reference. One place you may trip up is including heading
>>>> information in the files, because some books will reuse the same core
>>>> of information but use different head structures -- it may be under
>>>> and H1 in some books, and an H2 or something else in another. So when
>>>> possible, I try just to include text, tables and non-hierarchal
>>>> content.
>>>>
>>>> Question 1:
>>>> There's no automatic way to do this. Copy and paste, and analyze.
>>>>
>>>> Question 3:
>>>> No idea. I'd guesstimate a day per book for conversion, but that's a
>>>> WAG. Could easily be half that or twice that, depending on how the
>>>> books are set up and how fast you are.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Art Campbell
>>>>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>>>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>>>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>>> No disclaimers
>>>> apply.
>>>>  

To make a hyperlink to a different area of text in the same book

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
I need to make a hyperlink (hypertext) to a different area of text in the
same book-- actually in the same document/file.

How would I do this.

In Word this would be a two step operation:

1. Create a bookmark extending at or over the range of the text.
2. Create a hyperlink by opening the Insert Hyperlink dlg box , locating the
bookmark and then creating the hypertext.

How do I do this in FM.

I can see that in FM there are things called markers (like bookmarks?).

And I can make cross-references to markers by setting the 'Source Type' to
'Cross-reference Markers', but then I am not sure which building block to
put in the Reference Format that I must make. I have found something
predefined called 'MarkerTextOnly' but when I use that it just deletes the
text to which I wanted to add a hyperlink.

Help would be appreciated ...

TIA

- avi

Merging books: Need FM mechanisms and methodologies for merging books with large fraction of identical material

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
  RE: Merging books

The situation:

I have a client who has a large number of FM (7.2/8) books. From amongst
these books, there are two particular sets of books, as follows:

Set #1. Two books having about 50 - 60% identical content  (each book is
~100 pages)

Set #2. Four books having about 10% identical content  (each book is ~80-100
pages)

(No particular connection between the two sets of books; just presenting the
situation.)

Now, the client would like to merge each of these two sets of books so that
each set combines the identical material. E.g., for set #1 above, either the
two books should be combined and the text partitioned by conditional text
controls, or maybe the two books should be kept separate but the identical
part should be maintained in some sort of outside, third, common component
or "book" (or whatever such a thing would be called), and then when you have
to publish one of the two books, you would be able to include in "on the
fly" the common, identical component.

Same for set #2.


Questions:

1. What mechanisms does FM provide for constructing merged solutions for
each of these two sets of books?
2. Which mechanism and methodology are recommended for each of the two sets
of books?
3. How long should I estimate it would take me to perform merges for each of
the two sets of books?

TIA

- avi

Great thanks [ Re: Replace on part of a wildcards search ]

[Avraham Makeler]

 based editor on that,
  then reopening it in FM to verify the results.
 
  FWIW, grep and awk
  (and a number of other unix tools) are available as utilities for
  Windows and any search engine can point you to places to get them.
 
  - Les
 
  --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
  How do you do a Replace on part of a wildcards search?
 
  E.,g., I am looking for a line with:
 
  Uint32 Command
 
  where there can be any type and amount of white space between Uint32
  and Command.
 
  So I guess the wild card search format will be
 
  Uint32*Command
 
  No?
 
  But then if I want to replace just the Uint32 part with SHORT_ID.
  How would i do that?
 
  TIA
 
  - avi
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 search string and inserts the replace string in its place, so you
> > will also lose the "Command" string.  It is a great disappointment
> > that a real GREP search capability (or even more general awk text
> > processing features) has never been implemented in FM.
> >
> > If
> > you search for just "Unit32" and replace that with "SHORT_ID" you can
> > do what you want by careful use of the 'Change & Find' or just 'Find'
> > buttons (and I understand how tedious and error-prone this can
> > be.)
> >
> > It may be posible to do this via scripting (e.g.
> > FrameScript, etc.; I'm sure others more knowledgeable will chime in)
> > or possibly by saving to MIF and using a text based editor on that,
> > then reopening it in FM to verify the results.
> >
> > FWIW, grep and awk
> > (and a number of other unix tools) are available as utilities for
> > Windows and any search engine can point you to places to get them.
> >
> > - Les
> >
> > --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Avraham Makeler  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > How do you do a Replace on part of a wildcards search?
> >
> > E.,g., I am looking for a line with:
> >
> > Uint32 Command
> >
> > where there can be any type and amount of white space between "Uint32"
> > and "Command".
> >
> > So I guess the wild card search format will be
> >
> > Uint32*Command
> >
> > No?
> >
> > But then if I want to replace just the "Uint32" part with "SHORT_ID".
> > How would i do that?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > - avi
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Disappearing chapter titles' heading text

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Hi all,
  RE: Disappearing chapter titles' heading text

I have inherited an FM document, where the some of the chapter titles in the
Book window are blank,

e.g., I have something like:

1 About This Guide
2 Overiew
3
4
5 Main Interfaces
6 Physical Description

The actual 'Heading 1' title of the #3 document is 'Functional Description'.
Why doesn't it appear?

TIA

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Replace on part of a wildcards search

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
How do you do a Replace on part of a wildcards search?

E.,g., I am looking for a line with:

Uint32 Command

where there can be any type and amount of white space between Uint32 and
Command.

So I guess the wild card search format will be

Uint32*Command

No?

But then if I want to replace just the Uint32 part with SHORT_ID. How
would i do that?

TIA

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Disappearing chapter titles' heading text

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
  RE: Disappearing chapter titles' heading text

I have inherited an FM document, where the some of the chapter titles in the
Book window are blank,

e.g., I have something like:

1 About This Guide
2 Overiew
3
4
5 Main Interfaces
6 Physical Description

The actual 'Heading 1' title of the #3 document is 'Functional Description'.
Why doesn't it appear?

TIA

- avi

Replace on part of a wildcards search

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
How do you do a Replace on part of a wildcards search?

E.,g., I am looking for a line with:

Uint32 Command

where there can be any type and amount of white space between "Uint32" and
"Command".

So I guess the wild card search format will be

Uint32*Command

No?

But then if I want to replace just the "Uint32" part with "SHORT_ID". How
would i do that?

TIA

- avi

Importing styles: with a Frame Above/Below Pgf pics from References pages

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
I am importing styles from a Styles utility FM file I have made.

So I imported a Note style with a line above and a line below.  These
lines are defined as pics in the References pages.

The Note style was imported without the lines. Is there any easy way to do
this.?
I can copy the frame from the Styles file to an other file, but what if I
have an FM book with 20 files...?

TIA


avi
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Hi all,
How can I Find+Replace on a text and its Paragraph tag to convert it to
another Paragraph tag (but keep the original text)?

TIA,

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[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
I am importing styles from a "Styles" utility FM file I have made.

So I imported a "Note" style with a line above and a line below.  These
lines are defined as pics in the References pages.

The "Note" style was imported without the lines. Is there any easy way to do
this.?
I can copy the frame from the "Styles" file to an other file, but what if I
have an FM book with 20 files...?

TIA


avi

To Find+Replace on a text and its Paragraph tag to convert it to another Paragraph tag

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
How can I Find+Replace on a text and its Paragraph tag to convert it to
another Paragraph tag (but keep the original text)?

TIA,

- avi

'Display Heading Text' in Book window displays first line of the textframe

[Avraham Makeler]

>> There's no fundamental flaw

So the documents do have something of a fundamental structural flaw.
tnx

avi



On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
> > The Book window can display the chapter entries in one of two
> different
> > views: 'Display heading text' or 'Display filenames'.
> >
> > In the 'Display heading text' view I see that instead of displaying
> the
> > title of the chapter, it just displays whatever happens to be the
> first
> > line
> > of the chapter text frame (rather than the chapter title in the
> chapter
> > head
> > frame (did I call it by the right name...?). Is there a configuration
> > option
> > anywhere to change this? Or do the documents have a fundamental
> structural
> > flaw that is only apparent through the 'Display heading text' view?
>
> There's no fundamental flaw, and FM has no such concept as "chapter head
> frame." FM (quite reasonably, IMHO) assumes that your chapters begin
> with a title, so it displays the first pgf (or as much of it as fits on
> one line) in the main flow of the document.
>
> Apparently, you have the title in its own text frame (which is fine)
> that's not part of the main flow (which is not so fine). Connect your
> "chapter head frames" to the text frames that follow them so that the
> text in them is at the beginning of the main flow.
>
> HTH!
> Richard
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Is there a way to convert all embedded pictures to be references?

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
I have some chapters that have a lot of embedded pictures.
I still have the picture sources (e.g., PNG, JPG) in a particular
directory.

Is there a way, in one fell swoop, to convert all the pictures from being
embedded to being references?

Doesn't seem there is a way, since I notice that an embedded picture loses
its original filename (and path).

tnx

avi

'Display Heading Text' in Book window displays first line of the text frame

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
I finally got around to investigating something weird I have been
seeing from my day #1 on a load of FM docs I have inherited.

The Book window can display the chapter entries in one of two different
views: 'Display heading text' or 'Display filenames'.

In the 'Display heading text' view I see that instead of displaying the
title of the chapter, it just displays whatever happens to be the first line
of the chapter text frame (rather than the chapter title in the chapter head
frame (did I call it by the right name...?). Is there a configuration option
anywhere to change this? Or do the documents have a fundamental structural
flaw that is only apparent through the 'Display heading text' view?


TIA


- avi
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Re: 'Display Heading Text' in Book window displays first line of the textframe

[Avraham Makeler]

 There's no fundamental flaw

So the documents do have something of a fundamental structural flaw.
tnx

avi



On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Combs, Richard
richard.co...@polycom.comwrote:

 Avraham Makeler wrote:

  The Book window can display the chapter entries in one of two
 different
  views: 'Display heading text' or 'Display filenames'.
 
  In the 'Display heading text' view I see that instead of displaying
 the
  title of the chapter, it just displays whatever happens to be the
 first
  line
  of the chapter text frame (rather than the chapter title in the
 chapter
  head
  frame (did I call it by the right name...?). Is there a configuration
  option
  anywhere to change this? Or do the documents have a fundamental
 structural
  flaw that is only apparent through the 'Display heading text' view?

 There's no fundamental flaw, and FM has no such concept as chapter head
 frame. FM (quite reasonably, IMHO) assumes that your chapters begin
 with a title, so it displays the first pgf (or as much of it as fits on
 one line) in the main flow of the document.

 Apparently, you have the title in its own text frame (which is fine)
 that's not part of the main flow (which is not so fine). Connect your
 chapter head frames to the text frames that follow them so that the
 text in them is at the beginning of the main flow.

 HTH!
 Richard


 Richard G. Combs
 Senior Technical Writer
 Polycom, Inc.
 richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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Is there a way to convert all embedded pictures to be references?

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
I have some chapters that have a lot of embedded pictures.
I still have the picture sources (e.g., PNG, JPG) in a particular
directory.

Is there a way, in one fell swoop, to convert all the pictures from being
embedded to being references?

Doesn't seem there is a way, since I notice that an embedded picture loses
its original filename (and path).

tnx

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'Display Heading Text' in Book window displays first line of the text frame

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
I finally got around to investigating something weird I have been
seeing from my day #1 on a load of FM docs I have inherited.

The Book window can display the chapter entries in one of two different
views: 'Display heading text' or 'Display filenames'.

In the 'Display heading text' view I see that instead of displaying the
title of the chapter, it just displays whatever happens to be the first line
of the chapter text frame (rather than the chapter title in the chapter head
frame (did I call it by the right name...?). Is there a configuration option
anywhere to change this? Or do the documents have a fundamental structural
flaw that is only apparent through the 'Display heading text' view?


TIA


- avi

A stubborn table numbering ghost

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

 RE:   A stubborn table numbering ghost

Using FM 8.

I received an API document with a large number of software structures spread
over a number of chapters and appendixes. Each software structure is held in
an FM table. Each structure table has its own section number and its own
numbered table caption (title). Since IMO the table title is superfluous
(since each structure anyway also has its own section title + num), and
since anyway there are a number of tables with missing titles or wrong
numbering, I decided just to remove all table titles of structures.



Later in the book, in one of the later appendixes (F), there are a few
tables that rightly deserve a table title - so I am leaving them there. What
is peculiar is that in spite of having deleted almost all earlier table
captions, the first table in the Appendix F insists on still starting at
Table 38, the same number as it did before I deleted almost all the earlier
table titles. It should start at 2 (since there is now only one remaining
earlier table). I have checked that the deleted table titles did not remain,
but invisible. I checked this by enabling one here and there (in the
*chapters*), and sure enough, it starts at 2, as expected. Also, if I insert
a new table in any one of the chapters (after Table 1), the new table starts
at 2, as expected.



Further, the wrong numbering occurs also if I insert a new table in any one
of the appendixes; except that from Appendix C, the new tables also start at
38, whereas between Appendix A and Appendix B incl. the new tables start at
28.



Anybody got an idea where all the ghost table captions are?



TIA



- avi
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Re: A stubborn table numbering ghost

[Avraham Makeler]

Ok, forget it..., I should have done an 'Update Book'. That definitely
helps.
But it remains a mystery why 'Update Book' was necessary to get the right
table  numbering in the appendixes but not necessary to get the right table
 numbering in the chapters.

avi



On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

  RE:   A stubborn table numbering ghost

 Using FM 8.

 I received an API document with a large number of software structures
 spread over a number of chapters and appendixes. Each software structure is
 held in an FM table. Each structure table has its own section number and its
 own numbered table caption (title). Since IMO the table title is superfluous
 (since each structure anyway also has its own section title + num), and
 since anyway there are a number of tables with missing titles or wrong
 numbering, I decided just to remove all table titles of structures.



 Later in the book, in one of the later appendixes (F), there are a few
 tables that rightly deserve a table title - so I am leaving them there. What
 is peculiar is that in spite of having deleted almost all earlier table
 captions, the first table in the Appendix F insists on still starting at
 Table 38, the same number as it did before I deleted almost all the earlier
 table titles. It should start at 2 (since there is now only one remaining
 earlier table). I have checked that the deleted table titles did not remain,
 but invisible. I checked this by enabling one here and there (in the
 *chapters*), and sure enough, it starts at 2, as expected. Also, if I insert
 a new table in any one of the chapters (after Table 1), the new table starts
 at 2, as expected.



 Further, the wrong numbering occurs also if I insert a new table in any one
 of the appendixes; except that from Appendix C, the new tables also start at
 38, whereas between Appendix A and Appendix B incl. the new tables start at
 28.



 Anybody got an idea where all the ghost table captions are?



 TIA



 - avi

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A stubborn table numbering ghost

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

 RE:   A stubborn table numbering ghost

Using FM 8.

I received an API document with a large number of software structures spread
over a number of chapters and appendixes. Each software structure is held in
an FM table. Each structure table has its own section number and its own
numbered table caption (title). Since IMO the table title is superfluous
(since each structure anyway also has its own section title + num), and
since anyway there are a number of tables with missing titles or wrong
numbering, I decided just to remove all table titles of structures.



Later in the book, in one of the later appendixes (F), there are a few
tables that rightly deserve a table title - so I am leaving them there. What
is peculiar is that in spite of having deleted almost all earlier table
captions, the first table in the Appendix F insists on still starting at
Table 38, the same number as it did before I deleted almost all the earlier
table titles. It should start at 2 (since there is now only one remaining
earlier table). I have checked that the deleted table titles did not remain,
but invisible. I checked this by enabling one here and there (in the
*chapters*), and sure enough, it starts at 2, as expected. Also, if I insert
a new table in any one of the chapters (after Table 1), the new table starts
at 2, as expected.



Further, the wrong numbering occurs also if I insert a new table in any one
of the appendixes; except that from Appendix C, the new tables also start at
38, whereas between Appendix A and Appendix B incl. the new tables start at
28.



Anybody got an idea where all the ghost table captions are?



TIA



- avi

A stubborn table numbering ghost

[Avraham Makeler]

Ok, forget it..., I should have done an 'Update Book'. That definitely
helps.
But it remains a mystery why 'Update Book' was necessary to get the right
table  numbering in the appendixes but not necessary to get the right table
 numbering in the chapters.

avi



On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Avraham Makeler  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>  RE:   A stubborn table numbering ghost
>
> Using FM 8.
>
> I received an API document with a large number of software structures
> spread over a number of chapters and appendixes. Each software structure is
> held in an FM table. Each structure table has its own section number and its
> own numbered table caption (title). Since IMO the table title is superfluous
> (since each structure anyway also has its own section title + num), and
> since anyway there are a number of tables with missing titles or wrong
> numbering, I decided just to remove all table titles of structures.
>
>
>
> Later in the book, in one of the later appendixes (F), there are a few
> tables that rightly deserve a table title - so I am leaving them there. What
> is peculiar is that in spite of having deleted almost all earlier table
> captions, the first table in the Appendix F insists on still starting at
> Table 38, the same number as it did before I deleted almost all the earlier
> table titles. It should start at 2 (since there is now only one remaining
> earlier table). I have checked that the deleted table titles did not remain,
> but invisible. I checked this by enabling one here and there (in the
> *chapters*), and sure enough, it starts at 2, as expected. Also, if I insert
> a new table in any one of the chapters (after Table 1), the new table starts
> at 2, as expected.
>
>
>
> Further, the wrong numbering occurs also if I insert a new table in any one
> of the appendixes; except that from Appendix C, the new tables also start at
> 38, whereas between Appendix A and Appendix B incl. the new tables start at
> 28.
>
>
>
> Anybody got an idea where all the ghost table captions are?
>
>
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> - avi
>

Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

[Avraham Makeler]

 You have said that it is irrelevant whether the CTRL key is held or
released between operations, as long as it is held when the M and F keys are
pressed.  Of course this is so; that's how computer keyboards work.  The
computer pays no attention to whether a modifier key is released, because it
receives the code from the keyboard at the moment a key is *pressed*.  If a
modifier key (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT) is held at the same time as a letter key is
pressed, a different code is sent.  Since it is irrelevant whether CTRL is
released between operations,
Yes, I know.


 I think you do your readers a disservice to encumber them with invented
conventions or instructions about what they *don't* have to do.

Ok, that's a point.


 MSTP is consistent in using all caps for the modifier keys (CTRL, SHIFT)
and all caps for the letter keys

Yes, thanks for pointing that out.


 (which is how the letters appear on the keyboard).

Actually - they do *not*. Which is why I made the mistake of writing them
the way I did.
But, again, thanks for pointing out that according to MS they should be
CAPS.


 For key sequences, the guideline is to use commas followed by spaces.  So
the MSTP instruction would be press CTRL+M, CTRL+F.

Ok, so that seems to be the bottom line. That's the way I wrote it
originally. Not that I though that it looked great, but just there seemed no
other alternative I could find in the rule book.

And so it's left as self-understood that you don't have to take your finger
off the CTRL key in between.


 (Adobe has a different standard that uses mixed case, probably stemming
from its compatibility with UNIX, which is case-sensitive in ways that DOS
and Windows weren't and aren't.)

 As for the SME, I assume that writing documentation according to
standards is not the SM in which they are E; *you* would be the E in that
SM, and entitled to stand your ground!  ;-)

No, I have no problem with that - it's just that I also didn't like what I
wrote.


Thanks,

  - avi




On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Stuart Rogers 
srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:

 Avraham Makeler wrote:

 Hi David,
 Thanks for the effort you're putting into this.

  Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and

 then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).

 A little earlier, I got the following reply from somebody offlist:

I would say ctrl+f, ctrl+m would be the best way to do that. You
 need to separate the steps is the issue.
Hope that helps!

 And I replied as follows:
 

 Great minds think alike! Lacking any other alternative, that's exactly
 what
 I wrote in my first draft!

 (And it was on that the SME wrote his take, and told me to change them all
 accordingly to Ctrl M+F.)

 The problem is, that ctrl+f, ctrl+m make it look as if after the ctrl+f
 you
 then have to first release the Ctrl key and only  then do Ctrl+M.

 However, lacking any other alternative *standard* alternative, this seems
 the only solution.

 The only other alternative would be to create our own new standard. One or
 two people suggested to me Ctrl+(M,F) - and that also seems to me to be
 correct.


 

 So coming back to your suggestion, David, it seems that are are all
 converging on the same solution,
 however, it's just that 'ctrl+f, ctrl+m' (with a space or a comma) gives
 the
 wrong impression that you have to take your finger off the Ctrl key after
 doing Ctrl+M and before doing Ctrl+F; you do not have to.

 I would want to define a new standard, like this:  Ctrl+(M,F).

 Thanks,

  - avi


 I think you are re-inventing the wheel, as well as introducing ambiguity.
  (Is the user supposed to press the comma key? the parentheses keys?  Some
 users are very literal.)  Microsoft's MSTP guidelines work perfectly well
 for your situation, and they are an industry standard.

 You have said that it is irrelevant whether the CTRL key is held or
 released between operations, as long as it is held when the M and F keys are
 pressed.  Of course this is so; that's how computer keyboards work.  The
 computer pays no attention to whether a modifier key is released, because it
 receives the code from the keyboard at the moment a key is *pressed*.  If a
 modifier key (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT) is held at the same time as a letter key is
 pressed, a different code is sent.  Since it is irrelevant whether CTRL is
 released between operations, I think you do your readers a disservice to
 encumber them with invented conventions or instructions about what they
 *don't* have to do.

 MSTP is consistent in using all caps for the modifier keys (CTRL, SHIFT)
 and all caps for the letter keys (which is how the letters appear on the
 keyboard).  For key sequences, the guideline is to use commas followed by
 spaces.  So the MSTP instruction would be press CTRL+M, CTRL+F.

 (Adobe has a different standard that uses mixed case, probably stemming
 from its compatibility with UNIX, which

The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

[Avraham Makeler]

>> You have said that it is irrelevant whether the CTRL key is held or
released between operations, as long as it is held when the M and F keys are
pressed.  Of course this is so; that's how computer keyboards work.  The
computer pays no attention to whether a modifier key is released, because it
receives the code from the keyboard at the moment a key is *pressed*.  If a
modifier key (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT) is held at the same time as a letter key is
pressed, a different code is sent.  Since it is irrelevant whether CTRL is
released between operations,
Yes, I know.


>> I think you do your readers a disservice to encumber them with invented
conventions or instructions about what they *don't* have to do.

Ok, that's a point.


>> MSTP is consistent in using all caps for the modifier keys (CTRL, SHIFT)
and all caps for the letter keys

Yes, thanks for pointing that out.


>> (which is how the letters appear on the keyboard).

Actually - they do *not*. Which is why I made the mistake of writing them
the way I did.
But, again, thanks for pointing out that according to MS they should be
CAPS.


>> For key sequences, the guideline is to use commas followed by spaces.  So
the MSTP instruction would be "press CTRL+M, CTRL+F."

Ok, so that seems to be the bottom line. That's the way I wrote it
originally. Not that I though that it looked great, but just there seemed no
other alternative I could find in the rule book.

And so it's left as self-understood that you don't have to take your finger
off the CTRL key in between.


>> (Adobe has a different standard that uses mixed case, probably stemming
from its compatibility with UNIX, which is case-sensitive in ways that DOS
and Windows weren't and aren't.)

>> As for the SME, I assume that writing documentation according to
standards is not the SM in which they are E; *you* would be the E in that
SM, and entitled to stand your ground!  ;-)

No, I have no problem with that - it's just that I also didn't like what I
wrote.


Thanks,

  - avi




On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Stuart Rogers <
srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com> wrote:

> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>> Thanks for the effort you're putting into this.
>>
>>  Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and
>>>>
>>> then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).
>>
>> A little earlier, I got the following reply from somebody offlist:
>>
>>I would say "ctrl+f, ctrl+m" would be the best way to do that. You
>> need to separate the steps is the issue.
>>Hope that helps!
>>
>> And I replied as follows:
>> 
>>
>> Great minds think alike! Lacking any other alternative, that's exactly
>> what
>> I wrote in my first draft!
>>
>> (And it was on that the SME wrote his take, and told me to change them all
>> accordingly to Ctrl M+F.)
>>
>> The problem is, that ctrl+f, ctrl+m make it look as if after the ctrl+f
>> you
>> then have to first release the Ctrl key and only  then do Ctrl+M.
>>
>> However, lacking any other alternative *standard* alternative, this seems
>> the only solution.
>>
>> The only other alternative would be to create our own new standard. One or
>> two people suggested to me Ctrl+(M,F) - and that also seems to me to be
>> correct.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> So coming back to your suggestion, David, it seems that are are all
>> converging on the same solution,
>> however, it's just that 'ctrl+f, ctrl+m' (with a space or a comma) gives
>> the
>> wrong impression that you have to take your finger off the Ctrl key after
>> doing Ctrl+M and before doing Ctrl+F; you do not have to.
>>
>> I would want to define a new standard, like this:  Ctrl+(M,F).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>  - avi
>>
>
> I think you are re-inventing the wheel, as well as introducing ambiguity.
>  (Is the user supposed to press the comma key? the parentheses keys?  Some
> users are very literal.)  Microsoft's MSTP guidelines work perfectly well
> for your situation, and they are an industry standard.
>
> You have said that it is irrelevant whether the CTRL key is held or
> released between operations, as long as it is held when the M and F keys are
> pressed.  Of course this is so; that's how computer keyboards work.  The
> computer pays no attention to whether a modifier key is released, because it
> receives the code from the keyboard at the moment a key is *pressed*.  If a
> modifier key (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT) is held at the same time as a letter key is
> pressed, a different code is sent.  Since it is irrelevant whether CTRL is

The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts


I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there is
the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long and
complex keyboard shortcuts.

So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.

I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:

Ctrl M+F

The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still pressed,
then press the F key.

And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)

But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
after the 'Ctrl'.
But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
---

Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
Ctrl key, and then press the F key

---

And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the
 issues here.

Thanks all,

- avi
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Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

[Avraham Makeler]

 Two questions:

 Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?Yes

 Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?
No

Thanks,

avi



On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Avraham,

 Two questions:

 Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?

 Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?

 If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; Press and
 hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F).

 The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus
 (+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?).

 It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between
 sequences.

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
 Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

 Hi all,

   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts


 I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
 particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there
 is
 the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long
 and
 complex keyboard shortcuts.

 So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
 issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
 I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
 technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.

 I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
 whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:

Ctrl M+F

 The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still
 pressed,
 then press the F key.

 And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
 negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)

 But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
 I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
 after the 'Ctrl'.
 But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
 ---

 Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
 Ctrl key, and then press the F key

 ---

 And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
 keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
 bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the
  issues here.

 Thanks all,

 - avi
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Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi David,
Thanks for the effort you're putting into this.

 Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and
then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).

A little earlier, I got the following reply from somebody offlist:

I would say ctrl+f, ctrl+m would be the best way to do that. You
need to separate the steps is the issue.
Hope that helps!

And I replied as follows:


Great minds think alike! Lacking any other alternative, that's exactly what
I wrote in my first draft!

(And it was on that the SME wrote his take, and told me to change them all
accordingly to Ctrl M+F.)

The problem is, that ctrl+f, ctrl+m make it look as if after the ctrl+f you
then have to first release the Ctrl key and only  then do Ctrl+M.

However, lacking any other alternative *standard* alternative, this seems
the only solution.

The only other alternative would be to create our own new standard. One or
two people suggested to me Ctrl+(M,F) - and that also seems to me to be
correct.




So coming back to your suggestion, David, it seems that are are all
converging on the same solution,
however, it's just that 'ctrl+f, ctrl+m' (with a space or a comma) gives the
wrong impression that you have to take your finger off the Ctrl key after
doing Ctrl+M and before doing Ctrl+F; you do not have to.

I would want to define a new standard, like this:  Ctrl+(M,F).

Thanks,

 - avi



On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.comwrote:

  Avraham,



 I looked a little further, and then remembered that FrameMaker has many
 such shortcut sequences. So I went to the FrameMaker manuals and found this
 example:



 *Character Sets, page 2, Using key sequences*

 Control+q Shift+a - Holding down Control while pressing the letter q, then
 releasing both keys, and then holding down Shift while pressing the letter a



 So, to use your situation and MSTP terminology:



 Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and
 then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).



 I, personally, don’t like the wording in the Adobe description but that is
 how it is worded.



 *From:* Avraham Makeler [mailto:amake...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:51 AM
 *To:* David Spreadbury
 *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
 *Subject:* Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts



  Two questions:

  Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?

 Yes

  Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?

 No



 Thanks,



 avi





 On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

 Avraham,

 Two questions:

 Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?

 Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?

 If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; Press and
 hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F).

 The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus
 (+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?).

 It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between
 sequences.


 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
 Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

 Hi all,

   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts


 I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
 particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there
 is
 the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long
 and
 complex keyboard shortcuts.

 So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
 issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
 I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
 technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.

 I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
 whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:

Ctrl M+F

 The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still
 pressed,
 then press the F key.

 And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
 negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)

 But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
 I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
 after the 'Ctrl'.
 But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
 ---

 Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
 Ctrl key, and then press the F key

 ---

 And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
 keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
 bugs. But since this is an FM

The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts


I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there is
the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long and
complex keyboard shortcuts.

So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.

I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:

Ctrl M+F

The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still pressed,
then press the F key.

And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)

But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
after the 'Ctrl'.
But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
---

Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
Ctrl key, and then press the F key

---

And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the
 issues here.

Thanks all,

- avi

The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

[Avraham Makeler]

>> Two questions:

>> Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?Yes

>> Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?
No

Thanks,

avi



On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Spreadbury wrote:

> Avraham,
>
> Two questions:
>
> Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?
>
> Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?
>
> If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; "Press and
> hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F)."
>
> The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus
> (+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?).
>
> It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between
> sequences.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts
>
> Hi all,
>
>   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts
>
>
> I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
> particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there
> is
> the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long
> and
> complex keyboard shortcuts.
>
> So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
> issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
> I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
> technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.
>
> I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
> whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:
>
>Ctrl M+F
>
> The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still
> pressed,
> then press the F key.
>
> And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
> negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)
>
> But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
> I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
> after the 'Ctrl'.
> But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
> ---
>
> Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
> Ctrl key, and then press the F key
>
> ---
>
> And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
> keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
> bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the
>  issues here.
>
> Thanks all,
>
> - avi
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The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi David,
Thanks for the effort you're putting into this.

>> Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and
then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).

A little earlier, I got the following reply from somebody offlist:

I would say "ctrl+f, ctrl+m" would be the best way to do that. You
need to separate the steps is the issue.
Hope that helps!

And I replied as follows:


Great minds think alike! Lacking any other alternative, that's exactly what
I wrote in my first draft!

(And it was on that the SME wrote his take, and told me to change them all
accordingly to Ctrl M+F.)

The problem is, that ctrl+f, ctrl+m make it look as if after the ctrl+f you
then have to first release the Ctrl key and only  then do Ctrl+M.

However, lacking any other alternative *standard* alternative, this seems
the only solution.

The only other alternative would be to create our own new standard. One or
two people suggested to me Ctrl+(M,F) - and that also seems to me to be
correct.




So coming back to your suggestion, David, it seems that are are all
converging on the same solution,
however, it's just that 'ctrl+f, ctrl+m' (with a space or a comma) gives the
wrong impression that you have to take your finger off the Ctrl key after
doing Ctrl+M and before doing Ctrl+F; you do not have to.

I would want to define a new standard, like this:  Ctrl+(M,F).

Thanks,

 - avi



On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM, David Spreadbury wrote:

>  Avraham,
>
>
>
> I looked a little further, and then remembered that FrameMaker has many
> such shortcut sequences. So I went to the FrameMaker manuals and found this
> example:
>
>
>
> *Character Sets, page 2, Using key sequences*
>
> Control+q Shift+a - Holding down Control while pressing the letter q, then
> releasing both keys, and then holding down Shift while pressing the letter a
>
>
>
> So, to use your situation and MSTP terminology:
>
>
>
> Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and
> then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).
>
>
>
> I, personally, don?t like the wording in the Adobe description but that is
> how it is worded.
>
>
>
> *From:* Avraham Makeler [mailto:amakeler at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:51 AM
> *To:* David Spreadbury
> *Cc:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts
>
>
>
> >> Two questions:
>
> >> Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?
>
> Yes
>
> >> Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?
>
> No
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> avi
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Spreadbury 
> wrote:
>
> Avraham,
>
> Two questions:
>
> Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?
>
> Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?
>
> If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; "Press and
> hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F)."
>
> The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus
> (+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?).
>
> It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between
> sequences.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts
>
> Hi all,
>
>   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts
>
>
> I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
> particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there
> is
> the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long
> and
> complex keyboard shortcuts.
>
> So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
> issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
> I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
> technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.
>
> I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
> whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:
>
>Ctrl M+F
>
> The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still
> pressed,
> then press the F key.
>
> And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
> negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)
>
> But is 'Ctrl M+F' the corre

Re: FM 8 no longer generating PDFs with bookmarks for the Acrobat Bookmarks pane

[Avraham Makeler]

Thanks, Scott.
Ok, will do. In fact that's what I started doing once 'Save as PDF' stopped
working.
'Save as PDF' used to work just fine. What happened...?

- avi



On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM, qui...@airmail.net wrote:

 Avi,

 Don't use the Save as PDF. Print to a PS file and distill that. The Save As
 PDF function is problematic. If you have Distiller open and print the PS
 file to a watched folder, then it will automatically begin distilling once
 the file is present. Additionally, Save As PDF doesn't use the Distiller
 application.

 Scott


 Avraham Makeler wrote:

 Another piece of the puzzle:
 If I have the Acrobat Distiller already open and waiting before doing a
 'Save As PDF', it makes the bookmarks, or at least it seems more likely
 to.

 - avi






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FM 8 no longer generating PDFs with bookmarks for the Acrobat Bookmarks pane

[Avraham Makeler]

>
> Another piece of the puzzle:
> If I have the Acrobat Distiller already open and waiting before doing a
> 'Save As PDF', it makes the bookmarks, or at least it seems more likely to.
>
> - avi
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Richard.
>>
>> Yes, it is all set up.
>> And now it's gone wrong again. Not doing the bookmarks.
>>
>> - avi
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Combs, Richard > > wrote:
>>
>>> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi all,
>>> > Something seems to have gone wrong with my FM 8 installation.
>>> >
>>> > FM 8 is no longer generating PDFs with bookmarks for the Acrobat (v9)
>>> > Bookmarks pane.
>>>
>>> Well, let's start with the obvious. Do you have bookmark generation set
>>> up and enabled? Go to Format > Document > PDF Setup. On the Bookmarks
>>> tab, make sure that Generate PDF Bookmarks is checked and that the
>>> Include list contains the pgfs from which to create bookmarks.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard G. Combs
>>> Senior Technical Writer
>>> Polycom, Inc.
>>> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
>>> 303-223-5111
>>> --
>>> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
>>> 303-777-0436
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

FM 8 no longer generating PDFs with bookmarks for the Acrobat Bookmarks pane

[Avraham Makeler]

Thanks, Scott.
Ok, will do. In fact that's what I started doing once 'Save as PDF' stopped
working.
'Save as PDF' used to work just fine. What happened...?

- avi



On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM,  wrote:

> Avi,
>
> Don't use the Save as PDF. Print to a PS file and distill that. The Save As
> PDF function is problematic. If you have Distiller open and print the PS
> file to a watched folder, then it will automatically begin distilling once
> the file is present. Additionally, Save As PDF doesn't use the Distiller
> application.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
>> Another piece of the puzzle:
>>> If I have the Acrobat Distiller already open and waiting before doing a
>>> 'Save As PDF', it makes the bookmarks, or at least it seems more likely
>>> to.
>>>
>>> - avi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

FM 8 no longer generating PDFs with bookmarks for the Acrobat Bookmarks pane

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,
Something seems to have gone wrong with my FM 8 installation.

FM 8 is no longer generating PDFs with bookmarks for the Acrobat (v9)
Bookmarks pane.

I recall the problem started when I was using FM 7.2 on a different PC, but
had to uninstall Acrobat v9 due to a licensing issue, and then instead
installed Acrobat 5, which I own. The problems then started on that PC. And
when I copied the book to the current PC (with FM 8 + Acrobat 9) then the
whole installation stopped creating bookmarks, whichever book I was using.

Thanks,

- avi
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