[Framers] framemaker 2015 does not start
My colleague was using FrameMaker 2015 this morning. She shut it down. Then she tried to start it. The splash screen flashes and then goes away and Frame doesn't start. Has anyone seen anything like this? Any ideas how to fix it? Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MAK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Where is my PDF?
Hey Rick, I am still using Frame 2015, so as far as I am concerned, you are still 56. ;-) Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MAK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Fwd: Managing Versions of documentation simultaneously
Well, you could think of it like what is done with version control. When Release 3 of Application A comes out, they create a branch for Release 3 and the trunk continues forward to Release 3.1 or 4 or whatever. Sometimes fixes for Release 3 are that release only. Sometimes they also go into the trunk. You can always build that Release 3 again from the branch. When your manual is frozen for Release 3, make a copy of it. Keep your main source for moving forward for the next release. If you need to change something in the release 3 doc, you just change it there. If it also applies to next release, put it in your source. Will you end up with several branches over time? Yes. The question is - how active are these older branches. Probably not as active as the trunk. You don't have to worry about different versions polluting each other. At some point each of the approaches has a certain amount of overhead - maintaining somewhat similar duplicate files, maintaining sensible conditions, structured or unstructured, etc. So pick the method that best fits your tool set and your overall doc management flow. Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MAK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] old FM files
I have some old FM files - probably 5.5 vintage - that I am trying to open in FM2015. Frame thinks they are text files. I have some other equally old files that it opens OK. Any suggestions for how to open old files that Frame is confused about? Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MAK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Adobe - WTF
I went to the adobe site to see what the latest options are for FrameMaker. Can't even find it. It isn't listed for downloads and isn't there for other downloads. Is there a search field on the web page? Can't find that either. Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MAK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] PDF bookmarks
Does anyone know how to get acrobat/framemaker to remember the PDF bookmark setup from one printing to the next? It is so annoying setting it up every time a reprint a book. (This is in the dbx you get when you do Save as PDF. I'm using FM 2015.) Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MAK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] PDFs look like crap
FWIW: Changing the Smooth Text setting from None to For Monitor makes things look a lot better. Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] PDFs look like crap in Acrobat
Slightly off topic - I just got a new PC and installed Adobe TCS 6. I won't go into how painful getting framemaker to work was. When I open PDFs in Acrobat Pro DC, they look like crap. They were OK on my previous computer (both Windows 10) and they look fine when I open them in Firefox. Anyone have any ideas how to make Acrobat display them properly? Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] PDF links go to document instead of book
I have a book with links to another book. The PDF file links are not working. When I look at the properties, I see that the link is pointing to a specific file rather than the book that the file is part of. I haven't changed anything about how I set up my links from previously, when it worked correctly. Anyone have any ideas about how to get the links to generate properly? FrameMaker 2015 Adobe Acrobat Pro DC 2015 Microtype Timesavers Windows 10 Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] crash saving to XML - resolved, sort of
Well, all the files saved to XML fine in September. Other books work and they all use more or less the same naming conventions and file structure, so it is hard to think that all of a sudden that's the problem. That's why it is hard to point a finger at one particular source for the problem. Thank you to everyone who has sent me suggestions. Fred On 11/16/2016 11:55 AM, Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter) wrote: I've been using the most current patches of most/all of the software without that issue, but... Maybe some of the path names (do you link to other files, import images by reference, conref things) may be a part of the cause? Odd issue, quirky workaround, but glad you got your content back! Bernard -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Wersan Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:50 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: SPAM -> [Framers] crash saving to XML - resolved, sort of Last week I asked about a crash when I try to save to XML (Frame 2015, structured). After trying everything I could think of, I called Adobe support. After about an hour or so, the resolution was that if I copied the problem files to my desktop, I could save them to XML without crashing. This was kind of weird. They had to actually be on the desktop, not even a subdirectory under it. It was tedious and annoying to work with the files, but I was able to save to XML and get on with the rest of my work. So, I am passing this along as another strategy for dealing with crashes and corrupted files. I am still suspicious that some of the recent patches caused the problem, since I installed them since my last successful save events. I tried to install Frame on a different computer so I could try it out without these patches, but naturally, it wouldn't install. Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] crash saving to XML - resolved, sort of
Last week I asked about a crash when I try to save to XML (Frame 2015, structured). After trying everything I could think of, I called Adobe support. After about an hour or so, the resolution was that if I copied the problem files to my desktop, I could save them to XML without crashing. This was kind of weird. They had to actually be on the desktop, not even a subdirectory under it. It was tedious and annoying to work with the files, but I was able to save to XML and get on with the rest of my work. So, I am passing this along as another strategy for dealing with crashes and corrupted files. I am still suspicious that some of the recent patches caused the problem, since I installed them since my last successful save events. I tried to install Frame on a different computer so I could try it out without these patches, but naturally, it wouldn't install. Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] saving as XML crashes framemaker
Structured FrameMaker 2015. All updates applied as far as I know. Some of my files crash FM when I try to save as XML. They've worked in the past. I've tried saving as MIF and rebooted. Anyone have any ideas what I might try to look for to fix these. Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] fonts screwed up
restarting computer makes it all better. -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] windows update kills fonts?
Windows 10 updated itself last night and today all my fonts are screwed up. Everything's coming up Times or something like it. I am not positive it was the update, but am suspicious. Anyone else see this? Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Can Frame 15 be used so I can eliminate ePublisher?
A couple respondents to the migration question lamented the loss of the Frame 8 and earlier GUI, for example: That said .. the jump from FM7.2 to FM13 will likely be far more disconcerting than the features of your Help output. I miss the good old days of pre-FM9. The nice clean UI without all of the pods. Oh well. You're lucky to be moving straight to FM13 instead of some of the interim releases .. much better! Let me provide a different take on this. I switched from Frame 8 to 2015 last year. I too found the pods and all relatively annoying. However, I have come to really appreciate that many of the actions that used to use modal dialog boxes now are in non-modal windows. It means I can do a lot of things a lot quicker than I used to. As a structured frame user, I have found that I am using my homemade tools, which were much quicker to use than Frame 8's stuff, much less because Frame 15 makes it easier to manage elements and attributes. So a qualified thumbs up from me for Frame 2015. Now if they only had decent doc for extendscript Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] editing variables - all good now
restarting FrameMaker seems to have solved this. -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] editing variables
No - they are user variables. On 8/10/2016 2:23 PM, Pat Christenson wrote: I saw something like this just recently. I had selected Filename (Short) (a system variable that apparently can't be edited). The Add/Edit Variable dialog box displayed the variable Page Count. I don't know how to get around it but I'm guessing it has something to do with trying to edit a non-editable variable. Was yours a system variable? Pat Christenson -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+pat.christenson=morningstar@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Wersan Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:17 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] editing variables Using Frame 2015 - when I select a variable in the variables list and click the Edit button, I get the Add/Edit Variable page, but the variable I selected is not listed in the Name box and no definition in the definition box. It used to work. Has anyone seen this? Any idea how to fix it? Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] editing variables
Using Frame 2015 - when I select a variable in the variables list and click the Edit button, I get the Add/Edit Variable page, but the variable I selected is not listed in the Name box and no definition in the definition box. It used to work. Has anyone seen this? Any idea how to fix it? Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] extendscript examples for structured FrameMaker
Does anyone have examples of using extendscript with structured FrameMaker that they wouldn't mind sharing? I've got the examples that Russ Ward has made available and also the examples that came along with the various webinars on the Adobe site, but they are pretty limited in scope. Most of what is out there is for unstructured Frame. The FrameMaker doc doesn't have any examples worth talking about and I haven't been able to find any third party extendscript doc. I've figured out how to get and set attributes and how to insert an element, but that's about it so far. I learned Framescript by looking at examples, reading Rick Quatro's book, and getting help from the framescript email group. Extendscript doesn't seem to have the same level of resources and community support. I don't have any particular projects in mind. Just want to be able to figure out basic editing and element manipulation functions. Thanks. Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] xref problem solved
I solved the problem I was having with xrefs from my release notes to a book. It is unlikely that anyone on this list will ever run into this, but I thought I'd let you know what happened FWIW. I use structured framemaker. I somehow assigned an invalid id attribute to the top level element in one of the book files. This messed up cross referencing in that file and some other files, but not all of them. When I removed the bad attribute, everything worked. Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] PDF xrefs to book versus individual file
Sorry if I wasn't clear. The release notes has xrefs to sections in a book. I print the release notes to PDF and the Users Guide to PDF. The xrefs in the release notes PDF should link to sections in the UsersGuide.PDF. I do this all the time. Some of them work as expected. Some of them do not. When I look at the properties of the xrefs in the PDF in Adobe Acrobat, I see that the ones that work are pointing to the UsersGuide.pdf file and a named destination. The links that do not work are not pointing to UsersGuide.pdf, but are pointing to a pdf file that is named after the file in the book that the xrefs were to, for example starting_the_app.pdf. However starting_the_app.pdf does not exist because I did not generate individual PDFs, but only a PDF for the entire book. (The book was open in FM when I printed the release notes. You don't need to open all the individual files.) Since I created all the xrefs in FM the same way, it doesn't make sense to me. Fred On 3/25/2016 2:46 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: I don't understand what "pointing to the individual files (which don't exist as pdfs)" means. In unstructured FrameMaker, cross-references are always from one place in an .fm file to another place in the same file, or from one .fm file to another. Are you saying the .fm containing the cross-reference is in the PDF and the target .fm is not? Cross-references used to not work in text insets. I don't know if Adobe ever fixed that. There used to be a bug where all the .fm files in the book had to be open or some cross-references would not work. I don't know if they fixed that, either. -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] PDF xrefs to book versus individual file
When I look at the pdf in acrobat there is plenty of "link" to click. So it is not too small. The actual link info is wrong - based on looking at the action property in acrobat. Thank you for responding. Fred On 3/25/2016 2:04 PM, Heiko Haida wrote: Hi Fred, are you sure there are no link informations conveyed to the PDF ? I noticed that sometimes the resulting invisible rectangular with the link information (visible only with "link tool" active) is so small and not exactly on the page number, that it can only be "clicked" when zoomed in (not in full page screen mode). Regards -- Tino H. Haida -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] PDF xrefs to book versus individual file
I have a release notes document with several xrefs to different sections in a book. When I generate the PDF, some work correctly and some don't. The ones that work are pointing to the book. The ones that don't are pointing to the individual files (which don't exist as pdfs), not the book. I create them the same way. The book file is open when I generate the pdf (save as pdf). Anyone have an idea what might be going on? (It's Frame 2015 and I have MicroType Timesavers installed.) Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Writer *VT MÄK* | 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Third Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: +1.857.209.3469 | F: +1.617.876.0032 fwer...@mak.com | www.mak.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: Scripting issues
For quick macro work or letter substitution and simple scripting, I suggest Macro Express. It is inexpensive. You can use it for quite complicated things, but I find it a bit cumbersome for that stuff. But it is quick and easy for the simple stuff. For more involved scripting, another vote for AutoIt. I use it a lot. It has GUI building functions and I build little button bars to run my frequently and infrequently used macros (after a while I forget the shortcuts) and also to run my many framescript scripts. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MAK, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 857-209-3469 fwer...@mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: importing graphics in xml file
Looks like it imports it at 72 dpi. I want 150 dpi for some graphics, higher for others. Fred On 2/19/2015 1:55 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Fred, What happens if you don't include the width and height attributes? Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Wersan Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 1:49 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: importing graphics in xml file I am importing xml files into structured framemaker 8 and these files reference graphics using the following syntax: yfigure file = ../somefile.png impsize = 3.183in 1.1in impby = ref sideways = 0 impang = 0.000 xoffset = 0.080in yoffset = 0.0in position = runin align = arightcropped = 0 float = 0 width = 3.25in height = 3.1in angle = 0.000 bloffset = 0.000in nsoffset = 0.000in/ I think I got this syntax by exporting a file and seeing what framemaker created. I am using an automated process to create the xml files that assumes all the referenced graphics files are the same size. However, it turns out that they really aren't. The result is that graphics files that don't fit impsize = 3.183in 3.1in get distorted. What I would really like is to just say - import this file at such and such a resolution and let it size automatically. Does anyone know if there is a different syntax that can specify the resolution instead of the dimensions of the imported graphic? Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MAK, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 857-209-3469 fwer...@mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as r...@rickquatro.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Fred Wersan VT MAK, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 857-209-3469 fwer...@mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
importing graphics in xml file
I am importing xml files into structured framemaker 8 and these files reference graphics using the following syntax: yfigure file = ../somefile.png impsize = 3.183in 1.1in impby = ref sideways = 0 impang = 0.000 xoffset = 0.080in yoffset = 0.0in position = runin align = arightcropped = 0 float = 0 width = 3.25in height = 3.1in angle = 0.000 bloffset = 0.000in nsoffset = 0.000in/ I think I got this syntax by exporting a file and seeing what framemaker created. I am using an automated process to create the xml files that assumes all the referenced graphics files are the same size. However, it turns out that they really aren't. The result is that graphics files that don't fit impsize = 3.183in 3.1in get distorted. What I would really like is to just say - import this file at such and such a resolution and let it size automatically. Does anyone know if there is a different syntax that can specify the resolution instead of the dimensions of the imported graphic? Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MAK, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 857-209-3469 fwer...@mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: mouse alternative
I've been using a Wacom tablet for years. I switch back and forth between the tablet and my mouse to vary the stresses on my fingers and hand. This feather mouse looks like an effort to have a pen without the tablet. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MAK, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 857-209-3469 fwer...@mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
frame 8 on win 7 xref crash - resolved?
Uninstall Reboot Reinstall Add plug-ins and utilities 1 by 1 until you find the problem You think you found the problem You retest - now it works with the plug-in you thought was the problem Everything works fine So it goes. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MÄK, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: 857-209-3469 Email: fwer...@mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
cross reference crash postscript
Xrefs work OK in regular FrameMaker. The problem is in Structured Frame, which of course, is what I am using. Uninstalling Framescript doesn't seem to make a difference. Saving a file as MIF and then opening it still crashes. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MÄK, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: 857-209-3469 Email: fwer...@mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
XML import question - problem importing a graphic
I am trying to import some XML into FrameMaker 8 Structured. (I want to build the XML file programmatically to reference a bunch of graphics files that would be too tedious to set up manually (although now that I think of it, I bet I could do this using Framescript, but I'll ask my question anyway.) If I set up a test document and export to XML (to see what it needs to look like), I get this: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? !DOCTYPE bookSection SYSTEM file:///E:/MAK-Manuals/XML/makproddocedd.dtd [ !-- Begin Document Specific Declarations -- !NOTATION png SYSTEM !ENTITY yfigure1 SYSTEM yfigure16.png NDATA png !-- End Document Specific Declarations -- ] bookSectionchapFrontMatterbookSectionNum/bookSectionNum bookSectionTitleTitle/bookSectionTitle para/para chapTOC/chapTOC/chapFrontMatter parayfigure entity = yfigure1 impsize = 3.183in 2.854in impby = copy sideways = 0 impang = 0.000 xoffset = 0.076in yoffset = -0.135in position = below align = acenter cropped = 0 float = 0 width = 3.335in height = 2.583in angle = 0.000 nsoffset = 0.000in//para paraA-10 Thunderbolt/para (more of the same) If I try to reimport this into FrameMaker by importing an XML file, the log file complains that I can't have a DOCTYPE. If I delete all that top stuff, I don't get that complaint, but FrameMaker can't figure out what yfigure1 is. If I delete the figure and just import the para element, it all works fine. So the crux of the problem is figuring out how to tell FrameMaker what file to use for each figure. I think I once figured out how to round trip graphics, but I can't remember what I did. If anyone can give me a clue, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MÄK, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: 857-209-3469 Email: fwer...@mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
XML Import issue solved
FWIW: I changed the entity attribute to file and it imported the XML OK: originally: parayfigure entity= yfigure16 ../para change to: parayfigure file = yfigure16.png ../para Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MÄK, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: 857-209-3469 Email: fwer...@mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
XML import question - problem importing a graphic
I am trying to import some XML into FrameMaker 8 Structured. (I want to build the XML file programmatically to reference a bunch of graphics files that would be too tedious to set up manually (although now that I think of it, I bet I could do this using Framescript, but I'll ask my question anyway.) If I set up a test document and export to XML (to see what it needs to look like), I get this: ]> Title A-10 Thunderbolt (more of the same) If I try to reimport this into FrameMaker by importing an XML file, the log file complains that I can't have a DOCTYPE. If I delete all that top stuff, I don't get that complaint, but FrameMaker can't figure out what yfigure1 is. If I delete the figure and just import the para element, it all works fine. So the crux of the problem is figuring out how to tell FrameMaker what file to use for each figure. I think I once figured out how to round trip graphics, but I can't remember what I did. If anyone can give me a clue, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT M?K, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: 857-209-3469 Email: fwersan at mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc
XML Import issue solved
FWIW: I changed the entity attribute to file and it imported the XML OK: originally: change to: Fred -- Fred Wersan VT M?K, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: 857-209-3469 Email: fwersan at mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc
RE: is there a way to show Index markers inline in the text
Gillian says: Index Tools Professional by Silicon Prairie will let you do that. Index Tools Pro actually bunches them at the top of each paragraph (unless they've changed things since I bought it some years ago). If you are handy with Framescript you can implement this feature yourself and keep the markers and index text in the paragraphs. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MÄK, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: 857-209-3469 Email: fwer...@mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
is there a way to show Index markers inline in the text
Gillian says: Index Tools Professional by Silicon Prairie will let you do that. Index Tools Pro actually bunches them at the top of each paragraph (unless they've changed things since I bought it some years ago). If you are handy with Framescript you can implement this feature yourself and keep the markers and index text in the paragraphs. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT M?K, Principal Technical Writer 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 3rd Floor, Cambridge, MA 02140 T: 857-209-3469 Email: fwersan at mak.com Where Live, Virtual, and Constructive Simulation Meets the Web www.mak.com/weblvc
frame fails to start
Yesterday FrameMaker (8) ran fine. This morning I get a message that says The application failed to initialize properly (0xc022). Anyone have any ideas how to get things running again, short of reinstalling? Thanks. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MÄK, Principal Technical Writer 68 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 T: +1.617.876.8085 x124 Email: fwer...@mak.com Get Realistic Background Traffic - up to 75% off! www.mak.com/YourPatternOfLife | Offer ends September 25, 2012 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
frame fails to start - the resolution
Thank you to those that responded to my problem. What actually happened is that Sophos anti-virus sent out a bad update that ended up quarantining adobeupdater.dll and framemaker wouldn't run without it. We had to fix sophos and do a system restore and then it worked. so add this to your lists of things that might break framemaker. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MÄK, Principal Technical Writer 68 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 T: +1.617.876.8085 x124 Email: fwer...@mak.com Get Realistic Background Traffic - up to 75% off! www.mak.com/YourPatternOfLife | Offer ends September 25, 2012 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
frame fails to start
Yesterday FrameMaker (8) ran fine. This morning I get a message that says "The application failed to initialize properly (0xc022). Anyone have any ideas how to get things running again, short of reinstalling? Thanks. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT M?K, Principal Technical Writer 68 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 T: +1.617.876.8085 x124 Email: fwersan at mak.com Get Realistic Background Traffic - up to 75% off! www.mak.com/YourPatternOfLife | Offer ends September 25, 2012
frame fails to start - the resolution
Thank you to those that responded to my problem. What actually happened is that Sophos anti-virus sent out a bad update that ended up quarantining adobeupdater.dll and framemaker wouldn't run without it. We had to fix sophos and do a system restore and then it worked. so add this to your lists of things that might break framemaker. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT M?K, Principal Technical Writer 68 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 T: +1.617.876.8085 x124 Email: fwersan at mak.com Get Realistic Background Traffic - up to 75% off! www.mak.com/YourPatternOfLife | Offer ends September 25, 2012
Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats
I think the answer to your question is somewhere between No and It Depends, but closer to No. It gets back to the structure vs. display issue. FrameMaker tries to give you both the XML world and the WYSIWYG world in one package. A more typical XML editor (like the new XML view in Frame 11) is just a text-based markup language editor that doesn't know anything about display. The XML output from such an editor gets turned into a formatted document by other software that transforms it (XSL and that stuff) based on the elements and attributes. This is how XML can get used in lots of different ways (single-sourcing). Different transformations yield different formatting based on the target display platform. If FrameMaker, that display transformation takes place in real time in the interaction between the EDD and the para and char formats in your document based on the elements and attributes in your structure plus specific formatting overrides in the EDD. This means there is a temptation to build in a lot of attributes and formatting that is Frame specific. For example, some of my elements include whether or not I want the para or heading to be at the top of a page. This is entirely display related and something that would almost certainly be frowned upon if you were writing for multiple display environments. Therefore, if you are round tripping for distribution in other display environments, I would actually suspect that you would want to minimize the format related stuff in your structure, rather than maximize it because the framemaker-specific formatting would make less sense when transforming to other display environments. If you are round tripping just for editing purposes and it always comes back to FrameMaker for printing/PDF, then that is less of an issue and you can do what works best for you. Even in that case, you might not want to burden the authors with format related attributes to think about. Hope I've been at least somewhat coherent in my comments. I've probably simplified things a little. I don't do any round tripping, so I can't speak much to the pitfalls. Fred On 9/13/2012 6:29 PM, rebecca officer wrote: Hi guys If you're planning to roundtrip through XML, with different authors using different XML editors, you'd need to have all the formatting in the EDD, right? Or am I on completely the wrong track in my ignorance? Thanks Rebecca -- Fred Wersan VT MÄK, Principal Technical Writer 68 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 T: +1.617.876.8085 x124 Email: fwer...@mak.com Get Realistic Background Traffic - up to 75% off! www.mak.com/YourPatternOfLife | Offer ends September 25, 2012 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats
I think the answer to your question is somewhere between No and It Depends, but closer to No. It gets back to the structure vs. display issue. FrameMaker tries to give you both the XML world and the WYSIWYG world in one package. A more typical XML editor (like the new XML view in Frame 11) is just a text-based markup language editor that doesn't know anything about display. The XML output from such an editor gets turned into a formatted document by other software that transforms it (XSL and that stuff) based on the elements and attributes. This is how XML can get used in lots of different ways (single-sourcing). Different transformations yield different formatting based on the target display platform. If FrameMaker, that display transformation takes place in real time in the interaction between the EDD and the para and char formats in your document based on the elements and attributes in your structure plus specific formatting overrides in the EDD. This means there is a temptation to build in a lot of attributes and formatting that is Frame specific. For example, some of my elements include whether or not I want the para or heading to be at the top of a page. This is entirely display related and something that would almost certainly be frowned upon if you were writing for multiple display environments. Therefore, if you are round tripping for distribution in other display environments, I would actually suspect that you would want to minimize the format related stuff in your structure, rather than maximize it because the framemaker-specific formatting would make less sense when transforming to other display environments. If you are round tripping just for editing purposes and it always comes back to FrameMaker for printing/PDF, then that is less of an issue and you can do what works best for you. Even in that case, you might not want to burden the authors with format related attributes to think about. Hope I've been at least somewhat coherent in my comments. I've probably simplified things a little. I don't do any round tripping, so I can't speak much to the pitfalls. Fred On 9/13/2012 6:29 PM, rebecca officer wrote: > Hi guys > If you're planning to roundtrip through XML, with different authors > using different XML editors, you'd need to have all the formatting in > the EDD, right? > Or am I on completely the wrong track in my ignorance? > Thanks > Rebecca > > -- Fred Wersan VT M?K, Principal Technical Writer 68 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 T: +1.617.876.8085 x124 Email: fwersan at mak.com Get Realistic Background Traffic - up to 75% off! www.mak.com/YourPatternOfLife | Offer ends September 25, 2012 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120914/ba4d2a5d/attachment.html>
Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats
Just my two cents on this. There is no right answer. Depends where you want the control to be and maybe your philosophical approach - as in no formatting in the EDD. When I went structured, it was an opportunity to reduce paragraph format bloat. I analyzed what I needed, pared down the paragraph and character formats and tried to stay that way. I didn't want a different format for every possible different formatting issue that might come up. In part this means that if you are strict about things you don't let users deviate from the set of formats that are provided. But you can cover acceptable deviations by putting formatting in the EDD (if your philosophy permits this). As a practical matter, I have found that due to limitations in the EDD, there are times when putting formatting in the EDD works well and times when it just doesn't seem to work right. The conditions get too complicated and it isn't worth it. Of course, as a lone writer, I get to make all the decisions, but I try to act as if it were a bigger setup - no changes to para formats and no new on-the-fly formats allowed. With multiple books using the same EDD, they all have to comply or they get blasted every time I update the EDD, so there is a strong incentive to do things right. A previous respondent said: The idea with structure is (as has already been said) to separate structure from display.? I am not sure that I entirely agree with that. The idea of structure, particularly in FrameMaker, is that the computer enforces the formatting based on the element structure rather than writers needing to apply formatting via paragraph tags as they go along. If you are in a non-WYSIWYG environment, then you don't get the display. In FrameMaker you get the display too, but you don't have to be responsible for it, just for applying the correct element tags. Whether the computer enforces the formatting based entirely on what is in the EDD or on a mix of EDD coding and para formats is an implementation detail. Either way the application of formatting is done by the computer, not by the user. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MÄK, Principal Technical Writer 68 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 T: +1.617.876.8085 x124 Email: fwer...@mak.com Get Realistic Background Traffic - up to 75% off! www.mak.com/YourPatternOfLife | Offer ends September 25, 2012 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats
Just my two cents on this. There is no right answer. Depends where you want the control to be and maybe your philosophical approach - as in "no formatting in the EDD". When I went structured, it was an opportunity to reduce paragraph format bloat. I analyzed what I needed, pared down the paragraph and character formats and tried to stay that way. I didn't want a different format for every possible different formatting issue that might come up. In part this means that if you are strict about things you don't let users deviate from the set of formats that are provided. But you can cover acceptable deviations by putting formatting in the EDD (if your philosophy permits this). As a practical matter, I have found that due to limitations in the EDD, there are times when putting formatting in the EDD works well and times when it just doesn't seem to work right. The conditions get too complicated and it isn't worth it. Of course, as a lone writer, I get to make all the decisions, but I try to act as if it were a bigger setup - no changes to para formats and no new on-the-fly formats allowed. With multiple books using the same EDD, they all have to comply or they get blasted every time I update the EDD, so there is a strong incentive to do things right. A previous respondent said: " The idea with structure is (as has already been said) to separate structure from display.?" I am not sure that I entirely agree with that. The idea of structure, particularly in FrameMaker, is that the computer enforces the formatting based on the element structure rather than writers needing to apply formatting via paragraph tags as they go along. If you are in a non-WYSIWYG environment, then you don't get the display. In FrameMaker you get the display too, but you don't have to be responsible for it, just for applying the correct element tags. Whether the computer enforces the formatting based entirely on what is in the EDD or on a mix of EDD coding and para formats is an implementation detail. Either way the application of formatting is done by the computer, not by the user. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT M?K, Principal Technical Writer 68 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 T: +1.617.876.8085 x124 Email: fwersan at mak.com Get Realistic Background Traffic - up to 75% off! www.mak.com/YourPatternOfLife | Offer ends September 25, 2012
Re: docking quick access bar
I'm all set. Thank you to the other early birds. BTW, the answer is there is an icon next to the help icon that controls docking and undocking the toolbar. I'm used to just dragging toolbars off and back. Then again, Frame 8 is getting to be a bit ancient, so can't quite hold it to modern standards. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MÄK, Principal Technical Writer 68 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 T: +1.617.876.8085 x124 Email: fwer...@mak.com (re)Discover MÄK - Visit our new website! www.mak.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: master index of multiple book
I will also echo that Bill Swallow's method is what I do. I use a utility called Indexing Tools Pro to set up the master book, but you can do it by hand. Bear in mind that if you are creating a PDF from your master index, the links won't go to the individual books unless you do some additional work. (Unless there is some brilliant way to configure things to make that work automatically that I am not aware of.) I use a combination of some framescript scripts and the TimeSavers utility to create live links from my master index to individual books. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT MÄK, Principal Technical Writer 68 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 T: +1.617.876.8085 x124 Email: fwer...@mak.com (re)Discover MÄK - Visit our new website! www.mak.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
master index of multiple book
I will also echo that Bill Swallow's method is what I do. I use a utility called Indexing Tools Pro to set up the master book, but you can do it by hand. Bear in mind that if you are creating a PDF from your master index, the links won't go to the individual books unless you do some additional work. (Unless there is some brilliant way to configure things to make that work automatically that I am not aware of.) I use a combination of some framescript scripts and the TimeSavers utility to create live links from my master index to individual books. Fred -- Fred Wersan VT M?K, Principal Technical Writer 68 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 T: +1.617.876.8085 x124 Email: fwersan at mak.com (re)Discover M?K - Visit our new website! www.mak.com
accepting all changes sometimes doesn't work
I am using Frame 8 with the change tracking feature. There are a few spots in my doc where when I say Accept All changes, the text marked for removal does not get removed. The color gets changed to black, but that's all. Has anyone else experienced this and if so, did you find a cure? Fred -- Fred Wersan Principal Technical Writer VT MAK 617-876-8085 x 124 Old writers never die. They just get edited out. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
accepting all changes sometimes doesn't work
I am using Frame 8 with the change tracking feature. There are a few spots in my doc where when I say Accept All changes, the text marked for removal does not get removed. The color gets changed to black, but that's all. Has anyone else experienced this and if so, did you find a cure? Fred -- Fred Wersan Principal Technical Writer VT MAK 617-876-8085 x 124 Old writers never die. They just get edited out.
overriding table formats
Is there a way to force a table that has had all kinds of format overruling to pick up the ruling properties of the table definition? I'm using Frame 8 (structured). I've tried changing to a different format and then changing back. I've tried importing the table formats from another doc and saying to override formats. I've tried creating an empty table and copying the offending rows into it, but the new table, which looked fine when created, picks up the ruling overrides. Thanks. Fred -- Fred Wersan Principal Technical Writer VT MAK 617-876-8085 x 124 Old writers never die. They just get edited out.
Re: CGM images from structured FrameMaker
Hi Rick, I don't think I have exact answers for your questions, but I'll share my experience with CGM exports. I looked into this in the context of experimenting with round tripping of files from frame to XML and back. Firstly, the CGM images are lousy - far inferior to the original graphics or jpg or png. So there was no good way to round trip frame graphics without losing quality. However, I found that imported graphics - png or jpg, were referenced in the XML, so that if I round tripped and the original source graphics were still in their original location, I ended up with decent graphics. My solution for the frame graphics that I wanted was to take a screen capture of them and use that instead. Not as good as real frame graphics, but way better than the CGM. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
CGM images from structured FrameMaker
Hi Rick, I don't think I have exact answers for your questions, but I'll share my experience with CGM exports. I looked into this in the context of experimenting with round tripping of files from frame to XML and back. Firstly, the CGM images are lousy - far inferior to the original graphics or jpg or png. So there was no good way to round trip frame graphics without losing quality. However, I found that imported graphics - png or jpg, were referenced in the XML, so that if I round tripped and the original source graphics were still in their original location, I ended up with decent graphics. My solution for the frame graphics that I wanted was to take a screen capture of them and use that instead. Not as good as real frame graphics, but way better than the CGM. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124
Invisible numbers in PDF
Fei Min says: - I'm printing to postscript then distilling it because I want to use TimeSavers. Have you tried the TimeSavers option to merge the chapter number and chapter title bookmarks? My chapter numbers and titles are also separate. I think this works. (I don't actually use it. I have a framescript that sticks the chapter and appendix numbers/letters into the bookmarks.) Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124
Re: Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF
The lock/unlock approach to enabling PDF links in text insets is one way to go. But I note in your email that you are using Structured Frame. This means that you could use a free utility from West Street Consulting called InsetsPlus. With InsetsPlus, this problem goes away. I recommend it and all the other utilities for structured frame that they provide. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF
The lock/unlock approach to enabling PDF links in text insets is one way to go. But I note in your email that you are using Structured Frame. This means that you could use a free utility from West Street Consulting called InsetsPlus. With InsetsPlus, this problem goes away. I recommend it and all the other utilities for structured frame that they provide. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124
Re: FrameMaker PDF Bookmarks
It is possible to automate the editing of bookmarks in the PDF file for inserting chapter numbers, appendix numbers, and even inserting new bookmarks for particular pages. You can do this with a windows scripting tool. I use AutoIt. It is just basically like creating a macro that mimics the steps you would take manually. My PDF editing utility also pages through a PDF file at a specified rate, so that I can review it online without pressing next page 400 times. If you are interested in a copy of the script, let me know off line, since I don't know if the list accepts attachments. (BTW - the script is for Acrobat 9 - the keyboard actions change from version to version so it won't work with previous releases, but once you understand the logic it would be easy to change it to work with an earlier version.) Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker PDF Bookmarks
It is possible to automate the editing of bookmarks in the PDF file for inserting chapter numbers, appendix numbers, and even inserting new bookmarks for particular pages. You can do this with a windows scripting tool. I use AutoIt. It is just basically like creating a macro that mimics the steps you would take manually. My PDF editing utility also pages through a PDF file at a specified rate, so that I can review it online without pressing next page 400 times. If you are interested in a copy of the script, let me know off line, since I don't know if the list accepts attachments. (BTW - the script is for Acrobat 9 - the keyboard actions change from version to version so it won't work with previous releases, but once you understand the logic it would be easy to change it to work with an earlier version.) Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124
round-tripping xrefs
I am have a problem round tripping cross references. My source doc has an element called zzhelpTopic. In that element I have a cross reference element called xrefOlhTOCEntry (which uses an olhTocEntry cross reference). The cross reference element has one attribute - ID, which is an ID Reference attribute. In the source document, it holds the Id of the cross reference - BLAHBLAH. I export this to XML, and it looks like this: zzhelpTopic xrefOlhTOCEntry format = olhTocEntry srcfile = ../Cgf-UG/cgf_interfaceForHelpOnly.fm#BLAHBLAH//zzhelpTopic zzhelpTopic When I import the XML file back into FrameMaker, it creates this: Element zzhelpTopic with child element xrefOlhTOCEntry, which has the attributes: format olhTocEntry srcfile ../Cgf-UG/cgf_interfaceForHelpOnly.fm#BLAHBLAH How do I get it to come back in as a frame crossreference with the correct ID? (I've exported my EDD to a DTD and created a structured application. I'm guessing there is something missing in this process, but am not sure what.) Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
round-tripping xrefs
I am have a problem round tripping cross references. My source doc has an element called zzhelpTopic. In that element I have a cross reference element called xrefOlhTOCEntry (which uses an olhTocEntry cross reference). The cross reference element has one attribute - ID, which is an ID Reference attribute. In the source document, it holds the Id of the cross reference - BLAHBLAH. I export this to XML, and it looks like this: When I import the XML file back into FrameMaker, it creates this: Element zzhelpTopic with child element xrefOlhTOCEntry, which has the attributes: format olhTocEntry srcfile ../Cgf-UG/cgf_interfaceForHelpOnly.fm#BLAHBLAH" How do I get it to come back in as a frame crossreference with the correct ID? (I've exported my EDD to a DTD and created a structured application. I'm guessing there is something missing in this process, but am not sure what.) Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124
RE: Training materials for Structured FrameMaker 9
If your only reason for considering structured FrameMaker is because you want some kind of XML solution, then read up about XML. However, there are benefits to using a structured authoring environment that have nothing to do with converting to XML. They involve controlling the quality and consistency of the documents you product, how you re-use content within the FrameMaker environment, and other good stuff. I'm a lone writer too and I think it's worth it. Fred Message: 1 Subject: RE: Training materials for Structured FrameMaker 9 What about taking this one step back? I'm the lone writer in my organization and any innovations have to be led by me with a damn good case for ROI, e.g., moving from Word to FrameMaker was a 2 year process (budget is the main reason I have to over-prove my case). etc Alison Craig, Technical Writer -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Training materials for Structured FrameMaker 9
If your only reason for considering structured FrameMaker is because you want some kind of XML solution, then read up about XML. However, there are benefits to using a structured authoring environment that have nothing to do with converting to XML. They involve controlling the quality and consistency of the documents you product, how you re-use content within the FrameMaker environment, and other good stuff. I'm a lone writer too and I think it's worth it. Fred > > Message: 1 > Subject: RE: Training materials for Structured FrameMaker 9 > > What about taking this one step back? I'm the lone writer in my organization > and any innovations have to be led by me with a damn good case for ROI, e.g., > moving from Word to FrameMaker was a 2 year process (budget is the main > reason I have to over-prove my case). > etc > > Alison Craig, Technical Writer -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124
change tracking annoyance
I am using Framemaker 8, structured (which probably doesn't matter for this). When I enable the change tracking feature, I frequently find that when I start typing new text and press the spacebar, the space is entered as deleted text (red dash), not new text. I have to accept the deletion and then type a new space to get the space back in. Does anyone know a solution for this? It is very annoying. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
change tracking annoyance
I am using Framemaker 8, structured (which probably doesn't matter for this). When I enable the change tracking feature, I frequently find that when I start typing new text and press the spacebar, the space is entered as deleted text (red dash), not new text. I have to accept the deletion and then type a new space to get the space back in. Does anyone know a solution for this? It is very annoying. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124
Re: Switching to Structured FrameMaker
--What was your documentation situation? (How many product lines, how many publications, how much single-sourcing, how much translation?) I am a single writer documenting 8 products =~ 16 books and 10 or so online help systems, with a fair degree of text reuse, plus occasional contract manuals added in. --Why did you decide that it was time to switch to structured documentation? What kind of limit had you reached? I did it so that I could single-source my online help. I was using a dead-end HAT tool. I now use a home-grown system that wouldn't be possible without the XML output from Framemaker. --What kinds of output do you create from structured FrameMaker? books and online help --Has structured FrameMaker made your work easier or more efficient? Has it improved the responsiveness or quality of your documentation? I couldn't do what I do without it, both in terms of my online help process and text reuse. I think that even aside from the XML/reuse issue, structured frame fosters improved document quality. To do it right, you have to get your formatting and style under control - no rogue para and char formats etc. I also rely heavily on plugins from West Street Consulting and scripts that I've written with framescript to automate and manage my doc process. Structured frame gives a level of control that facilitates this automation process. As a practical matter, I developed my first EDD over a two month period and began converting books over the next couple of months, but I've been tweaking it ever since. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 VR-Vantage, MAK's 3D Visual Solution, is here! Find out how it can fit your simulation at VR-Vantage.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Switching to Structured FrameMaker
--What was your documentation situation? (How many product lines, how many publications, how much single-sourcing, how much translation?) > I am a single writer documenting 8 products =~ 16 books and 10 or so online help systems, with a fair degree of text reuse, plus occasional contract manuals added in. --Why did you decide that it was time to switch to structured documentation? What kind of limit had you reached? > I did it so that I could single-source my online help. I was using a dead-end HAT tool. I now use a home-grown system that wouldn't be possible without the XML output from Framemaker. --What kinds of output do you create from structured FrameMaker? books and online help --Has structured FrameMaker made your work easier or more efficient? Has it improved the responsiveness or quality of your documentation? > I couldn't do what I do without it, both in terms of my online help process and text reuse. I think that even aside from the XML/reuse issue, structured frame fosters improved document quality. To do it right, you have to get your formatting and style under control - no rogue para and char formats etc. I also rely heavily on plugins from West Street Consulting and scripts that I've written with framescript to automate and manage my doc process. Structured frame gives a level of control that facilitates this automation process. As a practical matter, I developed my first EDD over a two month period and began converting books over the next couple of months, but I've been tweaking it ever since. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 VR-Vantage, MAK's 3D Visual Solution, is here! Find out how it can fit your simulation at VR-Vantage.com
cross book links in PDF portfolios or combined books
I was experimenting a bit yesterday with PDF Portfolios and combined books. Either method seems like a good way to give readers a central starting point for a doc set. However I noticed that the xref links between books, which work fine between individual book PDFs, did not work within the portfolios or combined book file. (In fact, if the portfolio is in the same directory as individual books, acrobat jumps out to the individual book - which is what you would expect, I guess.) Has anyone used portfolios or combined books, and if so, how have you handled inter-book links? (I use Timesavers to make my inter-book links work.) Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 VR-Vantage, MAK's 3D Visual Solution, is here! Find out how it can fit your simulation at VR-Vantage.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
cross book links in PDF portfolios or combined books
I was experimenting a bit yesterday with PDF Portfolios and combined books. Either method seems like a good way to give readers a central starting point for a doc set. However I noticed that the xref links between books, which work fine between individual book PDFs, did not work within the portfolios or combined book file. (In fact, if the portfolio is in the same directory as individual books, acrobat jumps out to the individual book - which is what you would expect, I guess.) Has anyone used portfolios or combined books, and if so, how have you handled inter-book links? (I use Timesavers to make my inter-book links work.) Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 VR-Vantage, MAK's 3D Visual Solution, is here! Find out how it can fit your simulation at VR-Vantage.com
creating oversize PDFs
I am trying to create a PDF file from a FrameMaker document that is approximately 18x36 format. I am using FrameMaker 8 and Acrobat Pro 9. I choose Adobe PDF as my printer and create a custom page size. But I keep getting 0 size ps files or no PDF at all when I print straight to PDF. I've managed to get this sort of thing to work in the past, but am having no luck this time. Any one have an idea what I might be doing wrong? I don't think it's the content of the document, since when I shrink it, it prints OK to letter size. If anyone knows of a different print driver that might work printing to file, that would be fine too. I can get 12 x 24 from a Konica print driver, but it won't let me pick a custom size larger than that. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 VR-Vantage, MAK's 3D Visual Solution, is here! Find out how it can fit your simulation at VR-Vantage.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
creating oversize PDFs
I am trying to create a PDF file from a FrameMaker document that is approximately 18x36" format. I am using FrameMaker 8 and Acrobat Pro 9. I choose Adobe PDF as my printer and create a custom page size. But I keep getting 0 size ps files or no PDF at all when I print straight to PDF. I've managed to get this sort of thing to work in the past, but am having no luck this time. Any one have an idea what I might be doing wrong? I don't think it's the content of the document, since when I shrink it, it prints OK to letter size. If anyone knows of a different print driver that might work printing to file, that would be fine too. I can get 12 x 24 from a Konica print driver, but it won't let me pick a custom size larger than that. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 VR-Vantage, MAK's 3D Visual Solution, is here! Find out how it can fit your simulation at VR-Vantage.com
creating oversized PDFs
Reducing the resolution to 600 dpi did the trick. Thank you to everyone who responded. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 VR-Vantage, MAK's 3D Visual Solution, is here! Find out how it can fit your simulation at VR-Vantage.com
Xrefs lose formatting
I have a problem with my cross references losing their formatting. In my xrefs to chapters and sections, the chapter or section name has a character format applied to make it blue. The format looks like this: Hypertext“$paratext,” Default ¶ Fonton page\ $chapnum\+$pagenum The Hypertext format is for blue text. I am often finding that the xrefs are black text, not blue. Generating/updating a book does not fix this. I have to open each chapter and go to Edit - Update References to get the formatting applied. And it doesn't stick. The next time I open the book or even after I close the files and then print again, I lose the formatting. This is a relatively recent phenomenon, so something probably changed, but I can't imagine what. I am using Frame 8, structured. If anyone has any ideas for where I should look for a solution, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Constantly fixing this stuff in the production cycle is a major pain. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 VR-Vantage, MAK's 3D Visual Solution, is here! Find out how it can fit your simulation at VR-Vantage.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Xrefs lose formatting
I have a problem with my cross references losing their formatting. In my xrefs to chapters and sections, the chapter or section name has a character format applied to make it blue. The format looks like this: ?<$paratext>,? on page\ $chapnum>\+<$pagenum> The Hypertext format is for blue text. I am often finding that the xrefs are black text, not blue. Generating/updating a book does not fix this. I have to open each chapter and go to Edit -> Update References to get the formatting applied. And it doesn't stick. The next time I open the book or even after I close the files and then print again, I lose the formatting. This is a relatively recent phenomenon, so something probably changed, but I can't imagine what. I am using Frame 8, structured. If anyone has any ideas for where I should look for a solution, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Constantly fixing this stuff in the production cycle is a major pain. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 VR-Vantage, MAK's 3D Visual Solution, is here! Find out how it can fit your simulation at VR-Vantage.com
Re: Autoinsert two siblings under a parent
You can't do this elegantly, that is, in the EDD. But, you could script it with Framescript, or even a basic windows scripting tool, like AutoIt. Anything that you can do from the keyboard, you can script. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Autoinsert two siblings under a parent
You can't do this elegantly, that is, in the EDD. But, you could script it with Framescript, or even a basic windows scripting tool, like AutoIt. Anything that you can do from the keyboard, you can script. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer VT MAK 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
FM file per country for same software
It is not clear from the original email how intertwined the country differences are. If much of a given chapter is identical, then an inset strategy might work. Make the text that is identical for both countries an inset and keep the text that is different maintained locally. Then you wouldn't have to worry about copying and pasting text back and forth, you would just keep the inset text in a commonly accessible location. An advantage of using "shell" chapters with insets is that the chapter keeps the page layout (letter vs. A4 for example) and all the variables and the inset text picks that stuff up seamlessly. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
RE: Changing Track Revisions display
I would like to have deleted text hidden. I thought that Frame might use conditional text to control the display of tracked text. If all you want to do is hide the deleted text (versus changing the formatting, which is what people responded to), you can do that from the Track Changes menu or toolbar. There are options to show the original, show the changed version, or show all changes. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Changing Track Revisions display
"I would like to have deleted text hidden. I thought that Frame might use conditional text to control the display of tracked text. " If all you want to do is hide the deleted text (versus changing the formatting, which is what people responded to), you can do that from the Track Changes menu or toolbar. There are options to show the original, show the changed version, or show all changes. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
RE: Structure View Won't Appear
I had this problem a week or so ago. There is a Windows settings that forces all windows to show up on the visible part of the screen. I don't remember where or what it is, but I found it in windows Help (imagine that!). Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Structure View Won't Appear
I had this problem a week or so ago. There is a Windows settings that forces all windows to show up on the visible part of the screen. I don't remember where or what it is, but I found it in windows Help (imagine that!). Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
change coloring of tracked changes?
Is there a way to change the color/underline scheme for change tracking in Frame 8? Just as an aside, the implementation is a little odd. It basically works like a special kind of conditional text, but you can't get at it through the normal means of working with conditional text. However, I have a framescript that I use occasionally to strip all conditions out of a document and does affect the change-tracked text, which I found out rather painfully when I ended up with a royal mishmosh of a document. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?
I have Indexing Tools Pro. I use the Merge Index feature, which is pretty nifty. ITP also helps make creation of Master Indexes easier. However, its main feature - embedding index marker text in the main flow, so you can see index text in a reasonable font size and do search and replace on index text (the main failings of the FrameMaker indexing, IMO) didn't work well for me. I don't know if it is because I use structured frame or what, but it just wasn't working right. But the basic idea was a good one. So I changed my EDD to add an inline indexEntry element and wrote some FrameScript scripts to support it. Now I have inline indexing, but in a way more to my liking. If anyone who is using structured Frame and Framescript is interested, I'd be happy to send the scripts to you with a brief explanation of how they work. Then you're on your own. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?
I have Indexing Tools Pro. I use the Merge Index feature, which is pretty nifty. ITP also helps make creation of Master Indexes easier. However, its main feature - embedding index marker text in the main flow, so you can see index text in a reasonable font size and do search and replace on index text (the main failings of the FrameMaker indexing, IMO) didn't work well for me. I don't know if it is because I use structured frame or what, but it just wasn't working right. But the basic idea was a good one. So I changed my EDD to add an inline indexEntry element and wrote some FrameScript scripts to support it. Now I have inline indexing, but in a way more to my liking. If anyone who is using structured Frame and Framescript is interested, I'd be happy to send the scripts to you with a brief explanation of how they work. Then you're on your own. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
Re: Conditional Text and Pagination Issues
First, I notice that the doc isn't following it's own rules about widows/orphans. Set for three lines, but it is only keeping two words with the graphic on the next page. This sounds like it might be a keep with next/keep with previous issue in the para attached to the graphic or its previous para. Second, if I flip back and forth between the conditions, it seems to erase the rules I have applied and do its own thing. I have tried Special/Page break/Top of Page. I have tried the pagination tab in the Paragraph Designer with all combinations of Keep With. I can get it to look right in student and to instructor, but lose everything if I go back to student. you might try putting the pagination option into an element attribute so it won't change when non-structure things change. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Conditional Text and Pagination Issues
> First, I notice that the doc isn't following it's own rules about widows/orphans. Set for three lines, but it is only keeping two words with the graphic on the next page. This sounds like it might be a keep with next/keep with previous issue in the para attached to the graphic or its previous para. Second, if I flip back and forth between the conditions, it seems to erase the rules I have applied and do its own thing. I have tried Special/Page break/Top of Page. I have tried the pagination tab in the Paragraph Designer with all combinations of Keep With. I can get it to look right in student and to instructor, but lose everything if I go back to student. > you might try putting the pagination option into an element attribute so it won't change when non-structure things change. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
Re: FM8 benefits
If the primary reason to move to Frame 8 is to go structured and take advantage of conditions using attributes, then I suggest they go structured in 7.2 and use ABCM from West St. Consulting. Or go to FM8 for other reasons (like track changes) and still use ABCM. The frame implementation of condition by attribute seems very clumsy to me. By comparison ABCM (or Sourcerer) is much easier to use (and free). And for text insets, I suggest using Insets Plus (also from West. St. also free.) The big issue is not moving to FM8, it is moving to structured FrameMaker. (which I think is a good thing, but will probably be more costly to them in time and effort than buying the fm8 licenses.) Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM8 benefits
If the primary reason to move to Frame 8 is to go structured and take advantage of conditions using attributes, then I suggest they go structured in 7.2 and use ABCM from West St. Consulting. Or go to FM8 for other reasons (like track changes) and still use ABCM. The frame implementation of condition by attribute seems very clumsy to me. By comparison ABCM (or Sourcerer) is much easier to use (and free). And for text insets, I suggest using Insets Plus (also from West. St. also free.) The big issue is not moving to FM8, it is moving to structured FrameMaker. (which I think is a good thing, but will probably be more costly to them in time and effort than buying the fm8 licenses.) Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
RE: Conditional text insets
One possibility for handling conditions in insets without applying the conditions is to set up a very simple structured document and manage conditions using attributes. Wait - don't have a heart attack! It is possible to set up an extremely simple structure that doesn't do anything other than let you assign the attributes you need (print vs. help) to your paragraphs. Then you could go ahead and use your paragraph catalog as you always do and otherwise ignore the structure. It might not be any more complicated than using scripts or managing multiple conditions. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Conditional text insets
One possibility for handling conditions in insets without applying the conditions is to set up a very simple structured document and manage conditions using attributes. Wait - don't have a heart attack! It is possible to set up an extremely simple structure that doesn't do anything other than let you assign the attributes you need (print vs. help) to your paragraphs. Then you could go ahead and use your paragraph catalog as you always do and otherwise ignore the structure. It might not be any more complicated than using scripts or managing multiple conditions. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
Frame 8 issues
Although I've had Frame 8 since last summer, I've only just now migrated my files to it. I've noticed three things that I don't recall seeing in other people's complaints these last few months. 1. in the graphics Tools palette, the display of the current line thickness and tint is busted. 2. Sometimes when I open the files in a book, the menu bar seems to go crazy. I suspect this is related to Frame or one or more of the plug-ins I have running figuring out the context. 3. I had hoped that the crash when searching through closed files was fixed, but it still seems to be around. If anyone has any fixes to these, I'd appreciate hearing about them. I am upgraded to p273. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame 8 issues
Although I've had Frame 8 since last summer, I've only just now migrated my files to it. I've noticed three things that I don't recall seeing in other people's complaints these last few months. 1. in the graphics Tools palette, the display of the current line thickness and tint is busted. 2. Sometimes when I open the files in a book, the menu bar seems to go crazy. I suspect this is related to Frame or one or more of the plug-ins I have running figuring out the context. 3. I had hoped that the crash when searching through closed files was fixed, but it still seems to be around. If anyone has any fixes to these, I'd appreciate hearing about them. I am upgraded to p273. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
Re: Scripting pulling FM files from version control and, creating PDFs
Shmuel asked about Macro Express and AutoIt. I've used Macro Express for many years and AutoIt for the past 2-3. For simple, quick macros, Macro Express is great. Well worth the $40. For more involved scripting, ME gets really clumsy to write and maintain. AutoIt is much better for complex scripting. I use it to write a lot of little utilities. Then I use the GUI capability to create small button bars to quickly access the utilities. All that said, Framescript will handle FamreMaker tasks much more efficiently and quickly than any generic scripting or macro program. The downside is that you have to learn to program in FrameScript (drives me crazy). Or you can contract out the work. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Scripting pulling FM files from version control and, creating PDFs
Shmuel asked about Macro Express and AutoIt. I've used Macro Express for many years and AutoIt for the past 2-3. For simple, quick macros, Macro Express is great. Well worth the $40. For more involved scripting, ME gets really clumsy to write and maintain. AutoIt is much better for complex scripting. I use it to write a lot of little utilities. Then I use the GUI capability to create small button bars to quickly access the utilities. All that said, Framescript will handle FamreMaker tasks much more efficiently and quickly than any generic scripting or macro program. The downside is that you have to learn to program in FrameScript (drives me crazy). Or you can contract out the work. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
Re: Internal Error
The way to avoid an internal error when you do a search in a Frame 7.1 book is to open all the files in the book before you search. Or upgrade to a newer version of Frame, which supposedly fixes the bug. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Internal Error
The way to avoid an internal error when you do a search in a Frame 7.1 book is to open all the files in the book before you search. Or upgrade to a newer version of Frame, which supposedly fixes the bug. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
Re: I'm impressed with Adobe
If you have had any doubts about where FrameMaker fits in the Adobe product line, just look at the add in the latest issue of Technical Communication for Robohelp (It's a few pages in from the beginning, says DivX, Inc. at the top) ... Adobe RoboHelp software--the core of the Adobe technical communicator product line. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
I'm impressed with Adobe
If you have had any doubts about where FrameMaker fits in the Adobe product line, just look at the add in the latest issue of Technical Communication for Robohelp (It's a few pages in from the beginning, says DivX, Inc. at the top) "... Adobe RoboHelp software--the core of the Adobe technical communicator product line." Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
Re: structured Frame (another Fred heard from)
Miriam asked about the benefits of structured Frame. Fred Ridder suggested that the payoff for a small writing group might not be big. This question comes up periodically on this list, but I guess it is always new to someone and therefore always worth answering. I too am a sole writer. I've been using structured Frame since Frame 7 came out. I think it is well worth the effort even if you don't have to do any of the things that Fred mentions in his list of good reasons for structured authoring. Unless you are really good about following a style guide, an unstructured doc set eventually accrues all sorts of inconsistencies, both deliberate and unintentional. The process of designing a good EDD and migrating your files to it will help weed out these inconsistencies and get your doc set into real good shape. Then, going forward, the formatting rules built into your structure will help ensure consistency. You won't have to remember which of all your para and char formats you have to use in which situations. You just have to remember that a para goes under a section, a listItem does under a list, and so on. You wrap a class name in a class element and so on. Everything works. You will also be able to take advantage of a variety of plug-ins that take advantage of structured Frame and make life easier. You should expect to continue to revise your EDD over time, since you won't think of everything the first time through. Sometimes that forces you to do some revising of manuals, because you've come up with a more elegant structure, but often you just have to reimport the EDD and everything magically works. Just think of it as a better work environment than an unstructured app and don't worry about single-sourcing and translation, etc. (unless you really do have to worry about those things.) Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
structured Frame (another Fred heard from)
Miriam asked about the benefits of structured Frame. Fred Ridder suggested that the payoff for a small writing group might not be big. This question comes up periodically on this list, but I guess it is always new to someone and therefore always worth answering. I too am a sole writer. I've been using structured Frame since Frame 7 came out. I think it is well worth the effort even if you don't have to do any of the things that Fred mentions in his list of good reasons for structured authoring. Unless you are really good about following a style guide, an unstructured doc set eventually accrues all sorts of inconsistencies, both deliberate and unintentional. The process of designing a good EDD and migrating your files to it will help weed out these inconsistencies and get your doc set into real good shape. Then, going forward, the formatting rules built into your structure will help ensure consistency. You won't have to remember which of all your para and char formats you have to use in which situations. You just have to remember that a para goes under a section, a listItem does under a list, and so on. You wrap a class name in a class element and so on. Everything works. You will also be able to take advantage of a variety of plug-ins that take advantage of structured Frame and make life easier. You should expect to continue to revise your EDD over time, since you won't think of everything the first time through. Sometimes that forces you to do some revising of manuals, because you've come up with a more elegant structure, but often you just have to reimport the EDD and everything magically works. Just think of it as a better work environment than an unstructured app and don't worry about single-sourcing and translation, etc. (unless you really do have to worry about those things.) Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
better diff tool?
I've been thinking about using Framescript to do something to all edited text to make it stand out, for example, underline it or apply a condition. That would separate out the real changes from the other things that change bars pick up, but which don't really matter for reviewing updated doc. After the review cycle is over, I would get rid of the underlines or whatever. Haven't done it yet, though, so I can't say how well it would work. I'm not sure what I would do about deletions. An alternative which might work for your engineers would be to save the files as text (or export to HTML or XML) before and after and let them use the diff tools they are comfortable with. Formatting probably wouldn't matter much, you'd just care about what was changed. Ugly, but maybe doable. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
better diff tool?
I've been thinking about using Framescript to do something to all edited text to make it stand out, for example, underline it or apply a condition. That would separate out the real changes from the other things that change bars pick up, but which don't really matter for reviewing updated doc. After the review cycle is over, I would get rid of the underlines or whatever. Haven't done it yet, though, so I can't say how well it would work. I'm not sure what I would do about deletions. An alternative which might work for your engineers would be to save the files as text (or export to HTML or XML) before and after and let them use the diff tools they are comfortable with. Formatting probably wouldn't matter much, you'd just care about what was changed. Ugly, but maybe doable. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124
Re: Reasons to Structure
All the reasons to use structured FrameMaker that people have submitted focus on the net benefits, which is probably the main reason why you would do this. However, here's a complementary take on it. As a lone writer, I did all the work to write an EDD and convert my unstructured doc to structured format. I continue to update the EDD to this day. Although occasionally frustrating, I got a great sense of accomplishment from the initial work, and continue to enjoy coming up with ways to improve how I manage my documents. If you enjoy the tech in tech writer and like working on the tools that make your day-to-day job easier, it's a lot of fun. (Going structured also lets you take advantage of some of the great tools that Russ Ward has written.) Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 x 124 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
