FM driving me crazy!

[Ridder, Fred]

FWIW, the technique I use and have disseminated to all the 
other writers in my group is this:
- in the same directory as your book file, make a copy of each 
  generated file template using the expected name (for example, 
  booknameTOC.fm and booknameLOF.fm)
- use the book file's "Add" menu to add the generation details
  (tags to collect, etc.) for each type of generated file; when 
  FrameMaker prompts you to update the book after adding 
  each of these file, decline that option.
- when all generated files have been added, update the book

It saves the time it takes to do the initial update/generate pass,
which can be substantial for large books or documents that 
have graphics pasted into them instead of referenced.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Malin
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:00 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: framers at frameusers.com; techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: FM driving me crazy!

Oh yeah I save them. In fact, when I'm initially creating a generated
file, I do the trick of generating, saving, overwriting the file with my
own template file, and then regenerating. 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

FM driving me crazy!

[Art Campbell]

Joe,
Any time you turn around, save the file. Changing the settings as you
did is the same as altering the text in the file. If you don't save,
you lose.

Cheers,
Art

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> I'm not sure if *this* was the suggestion that started things working,
> but now they work. Thanks to everyone who replied! As a lone writer, I
> absolutely depend on you for help, and you always come through...

--
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

FM driving me crazy!

[Bill Swallow]

Save it. ;-)

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set to
> double-sided in the Pagination dialog.

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FM driving me crazy!

[Art Campbell]

Are you saving the files after you change the setting, before you
update the second time.
And, is the List file set to double-sided pagination?

Art

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Yes, I've tried that. It works, but the next time I generate files, the 
> setting goes back.
>
> Joe

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gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

RE: FM driving me crazy!

[Ridder, Fred]

FWIW, the technique I use and have disseminated to all the 
other writers in my group is this:
- in the same directory as your book file, make a copy of each 
  generated file template using the expected name (for example, 
  booknameTOC.fm and booknameLOF.fm)
- use the book file's "Add" menu to add the generation details
  (tags to collect, etc.) for each type of generated file; when 
  FrameMaker prompts you to update the book after adding 
  each of these file, decline that option.
- when all generated files have been added, update the book

It saves the time it takes to do the initial update/generate pass,
which can be substantial for large books or documents that 
have graphics pasted into them instead of referenced.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ


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Cc: framers@frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: FM driving me crazy!

Oh yeah I save them. In fact, when I'm initially creating a generated
file, I do the trick of generating, saving, overwriting the file with my
own template file, and then regenerating. 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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FM driving me crazy!

[Combs, Richard]

Joe Malin wrote:

> Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list 
> file is set to double-sided in the Pagination dialog. 
> 

Well, I hate to ask, but have you _ever_ saved the generated file(s), or
are you creating a new one each time you generate? 

If the latter, that would explain a lot of your problems. 

Richard


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RE: FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Oh yeah I save them. In fact, when I'm initially creating a generated
file, I do the trick of generating, saving, overwriting the file with my
own template file, and then regenerating. 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
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-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:50 AM
To: Joe Malin
Cc: framers@frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: FM driving me crazy!

Joe Malin wrote:
 
> Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set 
> to double-sided in the Pagination dialog.
> 

Well, I hate to ask, but have you _ever_ saved the generated file(s), or
are you creating a new one each time you generate? 

If the latter, that would explain a lot of your problems. 

Richard


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FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Oh yeah I save them. In fact, when I'm initially creating a generated
file, I do the trick of generating, saving, overwriting the file with my
own template file, and then regenerating. 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
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www.tuvox.com
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necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:50 AM
To: Joe Malin
Cc: framers at frameusers.com; techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: FM driving me crazy!

Joe Malin wrote:

> Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set 
> to double-sided in the Pagination dialog.
> 

Well, I hate to ask, but have you _ever_ saved the generated file(s), or
are you creating a new one each time you generate? 

If the latter, that would explain a lot of your problems. 

Richard


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Re: FM driving me crazy!

[Art Campbell]

Joe,
Any time you turn around, save the file. Changing the settings as you
did is the same as altering the text in the file. If you don't save,
you lose.

Cheers,
Art

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not sure if *this* was the suggestion that started things working,
> but now they work. Thanks to everyone who replied! As a lone writer, I
> absolutely depend on you for help, and you always come through...

--
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RE: FM driving me crazy!

[Combs, Richard]

Joe Malin wrote:
 
> Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list 
> file is set to double-sided in the Pagination dialog. 
> 

Well, I hate to ask, but have you _ever_ saved the generated file(s), or
are you creating a new one each time you generate? 

If the latter, that would explain a lot of your problems. 

Richard


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FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

I'm not sure if *this* was the suggestion that started things working,
but now they work. Thanks to everyone who replied! As a lone writer, I
absolutely depend on you for help, and you always come through... 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:40 AM
To: Joe Malin
Cc: Art Campbell; framers at frameusers.com; ddd at daube.ch;
techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: Re: FM driving me crazy!

Save it. ;-)

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set 
> to double-sided in the Pagination dialog.

RE: FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

I'm not sure if *this* was the suggestion that started things working,
but now they work. Thanks to everyone who replied! As a lone writer, I
absolutely depend on you for help, and you always come through... 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Swallow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:40 AM
To: Joe Malin
Cc: Art Campbell; framers@frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FM driving me crazy!

Save it. ;-)

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set 
> to double-sided in the Pagination dialog.

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[Bill Swallow]

Save it. ;-)

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set to
> double-sided in the Pagination dialog.

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FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set to
double-sided in the Pagination dialog. 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
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-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:07 AM
To: Joe Malin
Cc: ddd at daube.ch; framers at frameusers.com; techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: Re: FM driving me crazy!

Are you saving the files after you change the setting, before you update
the second time.
And, is the List file set to double-sided pagination?

Art

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Yes, I've tried that. It works, but the next time I generate files,
the setting goes back.
>
> Joe

--
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art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

RE: FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Uh, no, I'm not saving them. Didn't think of it. The list file is set to
double-sided in the Pagination dialog. 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:07 AM
To: Joe Malin
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FM driving me crazy!

Are you saving the files after you change the setting, before you update
the second time.
And, is the List file set to double-sided pagination?

Art

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I've tried that. It works, but the next time I generate files,
the setting goes back.
>
> Joe

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Re: FM driving me crazy!

[Art Campbell]

Are you saving the files after you change the setting, before you
update the second time.
And, is the List file set to double-sided pagination?

Art

On 1/25/06, Joe Malin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I've tried that. It works, but the next time I generate files, the 
> setting goes back.
>
> Joe

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FM driving me crazy!

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I had this problem with 7.0 once, but I was trying to set the
properties from within the component file.

Check the settings for the file in the book file. The book file
overrides the settings in the component file and changes its settings.
And, IIRC, the book file wants all its components to have the same
pagination, so check the settings for the other files, especially the
preceeding files.

Structured or unstructured -- it's all the same here.

Bodvar


On 1/25/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)
>
> I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has only
> one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page Layout
> > Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
> page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a
> single page.
>
> It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
> the book window, not from within the file itself.
>
> This is unstructured FrameMaker.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Joe Malin

FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Yes, I've tried that. It works, but the next time I generate files, the setting 
goes back.

Joe 


 Joe Malin
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jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not 
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.   

-Original Message-
From: Klaus Daube [mailto:d...@daube.ch] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:21 AM
To: Joe Malin
Subject: RE: FM driving me crazy!

On 24 Jan 2006 at 16:34, Joe Malin wrote:

> Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)
> 
> I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has 
> only one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page 
> Layout > Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank 
> page.
> But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a single page.
> 
> It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination 
> from the book window, not from within the file itself.
> 
> This is unstructured FrameMaker.

Joe,

Have you tried to set these properties _in the book window_?

- select all the files you want to set up
- in Fromat > Page Layout > Pagination set 'make page count even'

=> The properties will be propageted to the individual files.

Hope this helps
Klaus Daube

Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich Technical documentation & 
consultancy; On-line and paper
Phone:  +41-44-422 86 25  FAX: +41-44-422 82 78
E-mail: ddd at daube.ch Web: www.daube.ch/

RE: FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Yes, I've tried that. It works, but the next time I generate files, the setting 
goes back.

Joe 


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-Original Message-
From: Klaus Daube [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:21 AM
To: Joe Malin
Subject: RE: FM driving me crazy!

On 24 Jan 2006 at 16:34, Joe Malin wrote:

> Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)
> 
> I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has 
> only one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page 
> Layout > Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank 
> page.
> But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a single page.
> 
> It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination 
> from the book window, not from within the file itself.
> 
> This is unstructured FrameMaker.

Joe,

Have you tried to set these properties _in the book window_?

- select all the files you want to set up
- in Fromat > Page Layout > Pagination set 'make page count even'

=> The properties will be propageted to the individual files.

Hope this helps
Klaus Daube

Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical documentation & 
consultancy; On-line and paper
Phone:  +41-44-422 86 25  FAX: +41-44-422 82 78
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[Art Campbell]

First, check the internal pagination setting of the generated file and
make sure it's set to double-sided, not single sided.

Then check the pagination settings of the files that come before and
after it in the book; ideally they should all be set the same and at
the book level.

Also,

Art

On 1/24/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)
>
> I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has only
> one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page Layout
> > Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
> page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a
> single page.
>
> It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
> the book window, not from within the file itself.

--
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gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
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FM driving me crazy!

[Bill Swallow]

> I *wonder*, though, if this isn't really an artifact of generated files.
> I update the pagination which fixes the problem, but then I regenerate,
> which creates a new, "broken" file. I wonder if FM is simply not smart
> enough to generate an extra page when it regenerates the list of tables.
> Anyone know?

No, FM handles generated files just fine. Have you ever saved the TOC
to file before regenerating it? If not, try that. Other than that,
ensure your file and book pagination settings are both set to "make
page count even".

--
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WWP-Users List Owner
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I support Char James-Tanny for STC Secretary.

FM driving me crazy!

[Combs, Richard]

Joe Malin wrote: 

> I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One 
> file has only one page in it. I set the pagination properties 
> in Format > Page Layout
> > Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
> page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back 
> to a single page.

It's not necessary for all book components to have the same pagination,
as someone else suggested. But it _is_ necessary that they be logically
compatible. First, make sure all the book's files are set to Double
Sided. Then, check the 1st Page Side settings of the LOT, the file
preceding it, and the file following it -- are these settings consistent
with each other? 

You can't, for example, set the LOT to start on a right page, have an
even page count, and be followed by a file that starts on a left page.
If you do, FM has to ignore one of your settings, and I'm not sure which
one it will drop (maybe not the same one every time). 

And as someone else mentioned, after you generate/update, you _are_
saving all the files in the book, right? 

HTH!
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RE: FM driving me crazy!

[Combs, Richard]

Joe Malin wrote: 
 
> I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One 
> file has only one page in it. I set the pagination properties 
> in Format > Page Layout
> > Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
> page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back 
> to a single page.

It's not necessary for all book components to have the same pagination,
as someone else suggested. But it _is_ necessary that they be logically
compatible. First, make sure all the book's files are set to Double
Sided. Then, check the 1st Page Side settings of the LOT, the file
preceding it, and the file following it -- are these settings consistent
with each other? 

You can't, for example, set the LOT to start on a right page, have an
even page count, and be followed by a file that starts on a left page.
If you do, FM has to ignore one of your settings, and I'm not sure which
one it will drop (maybe not the same one every time). 

And as someone else mentioned, after you generate/update, you _are_
saving all the files in the book, right? 

HTH!
Richard


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Re: FM driving me crazy!

[Art Campbell]

First, check the internal pagination setting of the generated file and
make sure it's set to double-sided, not single sided.

Then check the pagination settings of the files that come before and
after it in the book; ideally they should all be set the same and at
the book level.

Also,

Art

On 1/24/06, Joe Malin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)
>
> I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has only
> one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page Layout
> > Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
> page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a
> single page.
>
> It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
> the book window, not from within the file itself.

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Re: FM driving me crazy!

[Bill Swallow]

> I *wonder*, though, if this isn't really an artifact of generated files.
> I update the pagination which fixes the problem, but then I regenerate,
> which creates a new, "broken" file. I wonder if FM is simply not smart
> enough to generate an extra page when it regenerates the list of tables.
> Anyone know?

No, FM handles generated files just fine. Have you ever saved the TOC
to file before regenerating it? If not, try that. Other than that,
ensure your file and book pagination settings are both set to "make
page count even".

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Re: FM driving me crazy!

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I had this problem with 7.0 once, but I was trying to set the
properties from within the component file.

Check the settings for the file in the book file. The book file
overrides the settings in the component file and changes its settings.
And, IIRC, the book file wants all its components to have the same
pagination, so check the settings for the other files, especially the
preceeding files.

Structured or unstructured -- it's all the same here.

Bodvar


On 1/25/06, Joe Malin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)
>
> I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has only
> one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page Layout
> > Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
> page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a
> single page.
>
> It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
> the book window, not from within the file itself.
>
> This is unstructured FrameMaker.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Joe Malin
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Re: FM driving me crazy!

[Martha J Davidson]

At 04:24 PM 1/24/2006, Joe Malin wrote:

It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
the book window, not from within the file itself.


Only thing I can think of is to make sure the pagination settings are the 
same in the file and at the book level. Does that make a difference?


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FM driving me crazy!

[Martha J Davidson]

At 04:24 PM 1/24/2006, Joe Malin wrote:
>It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
>the book window, not from within the file itself.

Only thing I can think of is to make sure the pagination settings are the 
same in the file and at the book level. Does that make a difference?

martha
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RE: FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Thanks. I did that once, and it worked. However, every time I update the
book, it goes back to being one page!

I *wonder*, though, if this isn't really an artifact of generated files.
I update the pagination which fixes the problem, but then I regenerate,
which creates a new, "broken" file. I wonder if FM is simply not smart
enough to generate an extra page when it regenerates the list of tables.
Anyone know?

Joe 


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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:30 PM
To: Joe Malin; framers@FrameUsers.com
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Subject: RE: FM driving me crazy!

Update the pagination for the whole book. FM applies the pagination
accross all files in the book.

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Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)

I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has only
one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page Layout
> Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a
single page.

It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
the book window, not from within the file itself.

This is unstructured FrameMaker.

Any ideas?
 

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FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Thanks. I did that once, and it worked. However, every time I update the
book, it goes back to being one page!

I *wonder*, though, if this isn't really an artifact of generated files.
I update the pagination which fixes the problem, but then I regenerate,
which creates a new, "broken" file. I wonder if FM is simply not smart
enough to generate an extra page when it regenerates the list of tables.
Anyone know?

Joe 


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necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:30 PM
To: Joe Malin; framers at FrameUsers.com
Cc: techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: FM driving me crazy!

Update the pagination for the whole book. FM applies the pagination
accross all files in the book.

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Subject: FM driving me crazy!


Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)

I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has only
one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page Layout
> Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a
single page.

It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
the book window, not from within the file itself.

This is unstructured FrameMaker.

Any ideas?


TuVox, Inc.


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FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)

I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has only
one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page Layout
> Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a
single page.

It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
the book window, not from within the file itself.

This is unstructured FrameMaker.

Any ideas?


TuVox, Inc.


19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

Joe Malin   
Technical Writer
(408)625.1623   
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com    
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

FM driving me crazy!

[Joe Malin]

Well, FrameMaker 7.1 is driving me crazy again (so what else is new?)

I'm trying to update a book with several files in it. One file has only
one page in it. I set the pagination properties in Format > Page Layout
> Pagination to "Make Page Count Even" so it will add an extra blank
page. But every time I update the book, this file is set back to a
single page.

It's a generated file, List of Tables. I am setting its pagination from
the book window, not from within the file itself.

This is unstructured FrameMaker.

Any ideas?
 

TuVox, Inc.


19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

Joe Malin   
Technical Writer
(408)625.1623   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
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