or Pantone material in your PDF).
From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 22 October 2014 15:35
To: Davis, David; framers
Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
Yes, I think color conversions are that complex.
RGB was designed for monitors allowing a broad range of additive colors
' craig...@hotmail.com
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Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
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It?s definitely NOT easy to explain this. Color conversions are COMPLEX.
Anyway, RGB - CMYK
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:34:52 -0500
Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
Are colour conversions really that complex?
They're just converting colour coordinates in one colour-space to those in
another, using some straightforward formulae that are hidden under the hood.
(The choice of formula
to the screen.
Craig
From: david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:34:52 -0500
Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
Are colour conversions really that complex?
They're just converting colour coordinates in one colour-space to those
to work in a better way, then I agree ☺
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From: Scott Turner [mailto:qui...@airmail.net]
Sent: 20 October 2014 22:46
To: Davis, David
Cc: Lin Sims; Böðvar Björgvinsson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: . PDF query
The reason
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From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com
To: i...@heiko-haida.de i...@heiko-haida.de, framers
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
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Given
Dennis,
You're not the first person to report this problem.
I doubt you're doing anything wrong, it's just FrameMaker being buggy.
I'd encourage you to report it at Adobe's bug report page
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:31:14
Indeed -
A pity none of these experts ever manage to get their expert opinion manifested
in the FrameMaker user guide / online help, though!
David
Message: 5
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:31:08 -0500
From: Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF query
October 2014 08:56
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: . PDF query
Dennis,
You're not the first person to report this problem.
I doubt you're doing anything wrong, it's just FrameMaker being buggy.
I'd encourage you to report it at Adobe's bug report page
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion
Given the theoretical differences I'm not sure why you would expect RGB output
of CMYK colors to be close to what CMYK color should looks like.
Think of it this way, if you choose a Pantone color as a spot color, you'd
expect it to print exactly like as that Pantone color to paper. But to the
Well, Craig,
thats easy to explain:
When I use Illustrator or Indesign, a colour will not change its screen
representation if I switch from CMYK definition to RGB definition. That
is not a miracle or a question of who knows (these programs use HSB
definitions, and obviously the conversion
Since I started seriously learning FrameMaker (7.0) I have always been
advised against using SaveAs PDF but instead print to file using whatever
the name has been each version of the Adobe PostScript printer engine.
Takes af few more clicks but saves a lot of trouble.
Still do it several versions
On 10/20/2014 3:33 AM, Denis Daly wrote:
We will eventually wish to send to a print company though. I hope Adobe are
able to fix this bug.
Here are a few tips if you plan to send to a print company:
1. Use EPS or PDF graphics. FrameMaker normally passes everything
through the Windows GDI,
My recollection may be faulty, but I seem to recall Dov Isaacs saying the
issues with Save As PDF had been fixed a while ago.
Now if they can just fix the broken Esc keyboard shortcuts.
Lin
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Böðvar Björgvinsson bod...@gmail.com
wrote:
Since I started seriously
reason it still hasn’t made it into the actual
FrameMaker help files.
I’m undecided as to which scenario is to more annoying ☺
From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: 20 October 2014 15:59
To: Böðvar Björgvinsson
Cc: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: . PDF query
My
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Heiko Haida
Sent: 20. oktober 2014 16:22
To: Craig Ede
Cc: framers
Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
Well, Craig,
thats easy to explain:
When I use Illustrator or Indesign, a colour
: framers
SUBJECT: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
Well, Craig,
thats easy to explain:
When I use Illustrator or Indesign, a colour will not change its screen
representation if I switch from CMYK definition to RGB definition. That is
not a miracle or a question of who knows (these programs use
To: Böðvar Björgvinsson
Cc: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: . PDF query
My recollection may be faulty, but I seem to recall Dov Isaacs saying the
issues with Save As PDF had been fixed a while ago.
Now if they can just fix the broken Esc keyboard shortcuts.
Lin
-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:40 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM as PDF gold standard RE: PDF query
Craig,
It sounds like you got hit with the Windows XP bug that caused intermittent,
unexplained dropping of text
, 2014 6:32 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: PDF query
Same here with Save as PDF, except that with FM 12, it seems that I also
need to select the RGB checkbox option to make it work correctly. The
CMYK option does _not_ work properly.
I will see if I can find
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:32 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject: RE: PDF query
Same here with Save as PDF, except that with FM 12, it seems that I also
need to select the RGB checkbox option to make it work correctly. The
CMYK option
PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF query
Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF was so buggy
that all experts recommended against using it.
Mike Wickham
On 10/17/2014 4:46 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
Frame to PDF used to be the gold standard for PDF
-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:31 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF query
Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF was so buggy
that all experts recommended
Craig,
It sounds like you got hit with the Windows XP bug that caused
intermittent, unexplained dropping of text in PDFs. As I recall, the
problem was with the MS Postscript processor. There was a Microsoft
hotfix issued to deal with it. At the time, the problem and fix were
pretty well
At least from FM6 on, I had zero problems with Save as PDF so long as
Distiller / Adobe PDF was selected as the printer and I used the same
file name as the .book I was saving.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote:
Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold
Same here with Save as PDF, except that with FM 12, it seems that I also need
to select the RGB checkbox option to make it work correctly. The CMYK
option does _not_ work properly.
I will see if I can find the test documents I sent to Adobe and post them here
later ...
Z
Robert Lauriston
I reported a similar issue a short while back (wasn't just images though - it
has problems with font colors, italic text messing up kerning and spacing,
etc.).
The response from an Adobe person here was that the Save as PDF using CMYK has
a bug (that they have been able to reproduce). No fix
Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF was so
buggy that all experts recommended against using it.
Mike Wickham
On 10/17/2014 4:46 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
Frame to PDF used to be the gold standard for PDF production. :(
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