Re: [Framers] Framers list admin?
OK, let me hear back from Dan and we will set a time. Thanks! Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of r...@rickquatro.com > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 11:01 AM > To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers list admin? > > I am pretty much available this week. > > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Tammy > Van Boening > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 11:12 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers list admin? > > HI Dan, > > Looks like it will be you and I. Rick, when can we set up a 15 minute meeting > to > do the hand off and ask any questions that we have? > > Thanks! > > TVB > > Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > > -Original Message- > > From: Framers > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On > Behalf > > Of Harding, Dan > > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:16 PM > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers list admin? > > > > Tammy, > > > > If there's a need, I'm certainly willing to help out from a list admin > > perspective, especially if it is a group/team effort. I've been > > subscribed to the list since 2008 (at least that's as far back as my > > saved emails from the list go). For background, while I took early > > retirement from the University of Illinois 2 years ago, I still work > > for the same department 6 months out of the year as a consultant, and > > during that 6 months I am using FrameMaker daily, so I too still rely > > on and check the list regularly (less regularly during my 6 months of > non-employment, but still check the list weekly at a minimum). > > > > While I typically prune my contact information from list emails, I'm > > including it below. > > > > DAN HARDING > > Publications Manager > > Assistant Director, Information Technologies (Retired) > > > > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Tax School Department of > > Agricultural and Consumer Economics > > 412 Mumford Hall | M/C 710 > > 1301 W. Gregory Drive > > Urbana, IL 61801 > > 217.333.0935 | fax: 217.244.5933 | dhard...@illinois.edu > > taxschool.illinois.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > Under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act any written > > communication to or from university employees regarding university > > business is a public record and may be subject to public disclosure. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Framers > bounces+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Tammy > > Van Boening > > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:31 PM > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > > > Subject: [Framers] Framers list admin? > > > > OK, > > > > I am sure that I am gonna' get excoriated by a few folks on this list > > after this post, but at this point in my life and career, I am tough > > old > bird. > > > > I had been trying to post to the list for the last two days w/out any > > success. I was last able to reply to a post successfully on 8/25 and > > then since that time (through 9/12), no joy. I reached out to Bernard > > as the last that I heard is that he had stepped up to the plate to be > > the list admin after Carol Elkins and Rick Quatro stepped back. > > > > Eventually, after no response via the link at the bottom of all > > emails, I called Bernard directly at his business. Here is the email > response that I received: > > > > > *** > > > *** > > *** > > Hello Tammy, thanks for reaching out. I don't even recall my password > > for the list but might be able to find it. I'd suggest reaching out to > > Rick Quattro. He's got full admin permissions in the system as well. > > > > Uh, OK. The absolute >>LAST<< that I knew, Bernard was the list admin > > and I have never seen a post to the otherwise; moreover, I actuall
Re: [Framers] Framers list admin?
I am pretty much available this week. -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 11:12 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers list admin? HI Dan, Looks like it will be you and I. Rick, when can we set up a 15 minute meeting to do the hand off and ask any questions that we have? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of Harding, Dan > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:16 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers list admin? > > Tammy, > > If there's a need, I'm certainly willing to help out from a list admin > perspective, especially if it is a group/team effort. I've been > subscribed to the list since 2008 (at least that's as far back as my > saved emails from the list go). For background, while I took early > retirement from the University of Illinois 2 years ago, I still work > for the same department 6 months out of the year as a consultant, and > during that 6 months I am using FrameMaker daily, so I too still rely > on and check the list regularly (less regularly during my 6 months of non-employment, but still check the list weekly at a minimum). > > While I typically prune my contact information from list emails, I'm > including it below. > > DAN HARDING > Publications Manager > Assistant Director, Information Technologies (Retired) > > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Tax School Department of > Agricultural and Consumer Economics > 412 Mumford Hall | M/C 710 > 1301 W. Gregory Drive > Urbana, IL 61801 > 217.333.0935 | fax: 217.244.5933 | dhard...@illinois.edu > taxschool.illinois.edu > > > > > > Under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act any written > communication to or from university employees regarding university > business is a public record and may be subject to public disclosure. > > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Tammy > Van Boening > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:31 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: [Framers] Framers list admin? > > OK, > > I am sure that I am gonna' get excoriated by a few folks on this list > after this post, but at this point in my life and career, I am tough old bird. > > I had been trying to post to the list for the last two days w/out any > success. I was last able to reply to a post successfully on 8/25 and > then since that time (through 9/12), no joy. I reached out to Bernard > as the last that I heard is that he had stepped up to the plate to be > the list admin after Carol Elkins and Rick Quatro stepped back. > > Eventually, after no response via the link at the bottom of all > emails, I called Bernard directly at his business. Here is the email response that I received: > > *** > *** > *** > Hello Tammy, thanks for reaching out. I don't even recall my password > for the list but might be able to find it. I'd suggest reaching out to > Rick Quattro. He's got full admin permissions in the system as well. > > Uh, OK. The absolute >>LAST<< that I knew, Bernard was the list admin > and I have never seen a post to the otherwise; moreover, I actually > had a brief conversation with Rick Quatro a while back and he > explicitly stated that he was not the list admin, Bernard was. > > I know that many of us on this list are getting long in the tooth, > myself definitely included, but I most certainly can still use the > support of the community at times. I intend to keep working for at > least the next 2 years, maybe 3 and I simply cannot imagine not having > this list as a resource when needed. FM is still the tool of choice > for several of my clients for many reasons, and even after all these > years, I still need a nudge in the right direction or need to learn > something new. I can't imagine that there are not others in the same boat. > > I kinda' feel like we (the list users) have been left hanging and have > not been really given the whole scoop. I am more than willing to step > to the role of list admin part-time if someone else is willing to > co-admin. I don't have the bandwidth for being a sole admin, b
Re: [Framers] Framers list admin?
HI Dan, Looks like it will be you and I. Rick, when can we set up a 15 minute meeting to do the hand off and ask any questions that we have? Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of Harding, Dan > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:16 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers list admin? > > Tammy, > > If there's a need, I'm certainly willing to help out from a list admin > perspective, > especially if it is a group/team effort. I've been subscribed to the list > since 2008 > (at least that's as far back as my saved emails from the list go). For > background, while I took early retirement from the University of Illinois 2 > years ago, I still work for the same department 6 months out of the year as a > consultant, and during that 6 months I am using FrameMaker daily, so I too > still rely on and check the list regularly (less regularly during my 6 months > of > non-employment, but still check the list weekly at a minimum). > > While I typically prune my contact information from list emails, I'm > including it > below. > > DAN HARDING > Publications Manager > Assistant Director, Information Technologies (Retired) > > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Tax School Department of > Agricultural and Consumer Economics > 412 Mumford Hall | M/C 710 > 1301 W. Gregory Drive > Urbana, IL 61801 > 217.333.0935 | fax: 217.244.5933 | dhard...@illinois.edu > taxschool.illinois.edu > > > > > > Under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act any written communication to > or from university employees regarding university business is a public record > and may be subject to public disclosure. > > -Original Message----- > From: Framers bounces+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Tammy > Van Boening > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:31 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: [Framers] Framers list admin? > > OK, > > I am sure that I am gonna' get excoriated by a few folks on this list after > this > post, but at this point in my life and career, I am tough old bird. > > I had been trying to post to the list for the last two days w/out any > success. I > was last able to reply to a post successfully on 8/25 and then since that time > (through 9/12), no joy. I reached out to Bernard as the last that I heard is > that > he had stepped up to the plate to be the list admin after Carol Elkins and > Rick > Quatro stepped back. > > Eventually, after no response via the link at the bottom of all emails, I > called > Bernard directly at his business. Here is the email response that I received: > > *** > *** > *** > Hello Tammy, thanks for reaching out. I don't even recall my password for the > list but might be able to find it. I'd suggest reaching out to Rick Quattro. > He's > got full admin permissions in the system as well. > > Uh, OK. The absolute >>LAST<< that I knew, Bernard was the list admin and I > have never seen a post to the otherwise; moreover, I actually had a brief > conversation with Rick Quatro a while back and he explicitly stated that he > was > not the list admin, Bernard was. > > I know that many of us on this list are getting long in the tooth, myself > definitely included, but I most certainly can still use the support of the > community at times. I intend to keep working for at least the next 2 years, > maybe 3 and I simply cannot imagine not having this list as a resource when > needed. FM is still the tool of choice for several of my clients for many > reasons, > and even after all these years, I still need a nudge in the right direction > or need > to learn something new. I can't imagine that there are not others in the same > boat. > > I kinda' feel like we (the list users) have been left hanging and have not > been > really given the whole scoop. I am more than willing to step to the role of > list > admin part-time if someone else is willing to co-admin. I don't have the > bandwidth for being a sole admin, but being a co-admin would be fine. At this > point, the list traffic is light enough and the list members so well known > that I > can't imagine having too many list issues such as a recrui
Re: [Framers] Framers list admin?
Hi All, I am pretty sure I have the login information for the list. To be honest, I tend to use the Adobe Forums for post and answer FrameMaker questions. I do like the availability of this list too. Rick -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 6:20 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers list admin? Thank you I will let this email percolate over the weekend and then reach out to Bernard and Rick to see how we pass the baton. I sincerely appreciate your willingness to help out. TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of Harding, Dan > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:16 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers list admin? > > Tammy, > > If there's a need, I'm certainly willing to help out from a list admin > perspective, especially if it is a group/team effort. I've been > subscribed to the list since 2008 (at least that's as far back as my > saved emails from the list go). For background, while I took early > retirement from the University of Illinois 2 years ago, I still work > for the same department 6 months out of the year as a consultant, and > during that 6 months I am using FrameMaker daily, so I too still rely > on and check the list regularly (less regularly during my 6 months of non-employment, but still check the list weekly at a minimum). > > While I typically prune my contact information from list emails, I'm > including it below. > > DAN HARDING > Publications Manager > Assistant Director, Information Technologies (Retired) > > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Tax School Department of > Agricultural and Consumer Economics > 412 Mumford Hall | M/C 710 > 1301 W. Gregory Drive > Urbana, IL 61801 > 217.333.0935 | fax: 217.244.5933 | dhard...@illinois.edu > taxschool.illinois.edu > > > > > > Under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act any written > communication to or from university employees regarding university > business is a public record and may be subject to public disclosure. > > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Tammy > Van Boening > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:31 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: [Framers] Framers list admin? > > OK, > > I am sure that I am gonna' get excoriated by a few folks on this list > after this post, but at this point in my life and career, I am tough old bird. > > I had been trying to post to the list for the last two days w/out any > success. I was last able to reply to a post successfully on 8/25 and > then since that time (through 9/12), no joy. I reached out to Bernard > as the last that I heard is that he had stepped up to the plate to be > the list admin after Carol Elkins and Rick Quatro stepped back. > > Eventually, after no response via the link at the bottom of all > emails, I called Bernard directly at his business. Here is the email response that I received: > > *** > *** > *** > Hello Tammy, thanks for reaching out. I don't even recall my password > for the list but might be able to find it. I'd suggest reaching out to > Rick Quattro. He's got full admin permissions in the system as well. > > Uh, OK. The absolute >>LAST<< that I knew, Bernard was the list admin > and I have never seen a post to the otherwise; moreover, I actually > had a brief conversation with Rick Quatro a while back and he > explicitly stated that he was not the list admin, Bernard was. > > I know that many of us on this list are getting long in the tooth, > myself definitely included, but I most certainly can still use the > support of the community at times. I intend to keep working for at > least the next 2 years, maybe 3 and I simply cannot imagine not having > this list as a resource when needed. FM is still the tool of choice > for several of my clients for many reasons, and even after all these > years, I still need a nudge in the right direction or need to learn > something new. I can't imagine that there are not others in the same boat. > > I kinda' feel like we (the list users) have been left hanging and have > not be
Re: [Framers] Framers list admin?
Thank you I will let this email percolate over the weekend and then reach out to Bernard and Rick to see how we pass the baton. I sincerely appreciate your willingness to help out. TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of Harding, Dan > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:16 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers list admin? > > Tammy, > > If there's a need, I'm certainly willing to help out from a list admin > perspective, > especially if it is a group/team effort. I've been subscribed to the list > since 2008 > (at least that's as far back as my saved emails from the list go). For > background, while I took early retirement from the University of Illinois 2 > years ago, I still work for the same department 6 months out of the year as a > consultant, and during that 6 months I am using FrameMaker daily, so I too > still rely on and check the list regularly (less regularly during my 6 months > of > non-employment, but still check the list weekly at a minimum). > > While I typically prune my contact information from list emails, I'm > including it > below. > > DAN HARDING > Publications Manager > Assistant Director, Information Technologies (Retired) > > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Tax School Department of > Agricultural and Consumer Economics > 412 Mumford Hall | M/C 710 > 1301 W. Gregory Drive > Urbana, IL 61801 > 217.333.0935 | fax: 217.244.5933 | dhard...@illinois.edu > taxschool.illinois.edu > > > > > > Under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act any written communication to > or from university employees regarding university business is a public record > and may be subject to public disclosure. > > -Original Message----- > From: Framers bounces+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Tammy > Van Boening > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:31 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: [Framers] Framers list admin? > > OK, > > I am sure that I am gonna' get excoriated by a few folks on this list after > this > post, but at this point in my life and career, I am tough old bird. > > I had been trying to post to the list for the last two days w/out any > success. I > was last able to reply to a post successfully on 8/25 and then since that time > (through 9/12), no joy. I reached out to Bernard as the last that I heard is > that > he had stepped up to the plate to be the list admin after Carol Elkins and > Rick > Quatro stepped back. > > Eventually, after no response via the link at the bottom of all emails, I > called > Bernard directly at his business. Here is the email response that I received: > > *** > *** > *** > Hello Tammy, thanks for reaching out. I don't even recall my password for the > list but might be able to find it. I'd suggest reaching out to Rick Quattro. > He's > got full admin permissions in the system as well. > > Uh, OK. The absolute >>LAST<< that I knew, Bernard was the list admin and I > have never seen a post to the otherwise; moreover, I actually had a brief > conversation with Rick Quatro a while back and he explicitly stated that he > was > not the list admin, Bernard was. > > I know that many of us on this list are getting long in the tooth, myself > definitely included, but I most certainly can still use the support of the > community at times. I intend to keep working for at least the next 2 years, > maybe 3 and I simply cannot imagine not having this list as a resource when > needed. FM is still the tool of choice for several of my clients for many > reasons, > and even after all these years, I still need a nudge in the right direction > or need > to learn something new. I can't imagine that there are not others in the same > boat. > > I kinda' feel like we (the list users) have been left hanging and have not > been > really given the whole scoop. I am more than willing to step to the role of > list > admin part-time if someone else is willing to co-admin. I don't have the > bandwidth for being a sole admin, but being a co-admin would be fine. At this > point, the list traffic is light enough and the list members so well known > that I > can't imagine having t
Re: [Framers] Framers list admin?
Tammy, If there's a need, I'm certainly willing to help out from a list admin perspective, especially if it is a group/team effort. I've been subscribed to the list since 2008 (at least that's as far back as my saved emails from the list go). For background, while I took early retirement from the University of Illinois 2 years ago, I still work for the same department 6 months out of the year as a consultant, and during that 6 months I am using FrameMaker daily, so I too still rely on and check the list regularly (less regularly during my 6 months of non-employment, but still check the list weekly at a minimum). While I typically prune my contact information from list emails, I'm including it below. DAN HARDING Publications Manager Assistant Director, Information Technologies (Retired) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Tax School Department of Agricultural and Consumer Economics 412 Mumford Hall | M/C 710 1301 W. Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 217.333.0935 | fax: 217.244.5933 | dhard...@illinois.edu taxschool.illinois.edu Under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act any written communication to or from university employees regarding university business is a public record and may be subject to public disclosure. -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:31 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [Framers] Framers list admin? OK, I am sure that I am gonna' get excoriated by a few folks on this list after this post, but at this point in my life and career, I am tough old bird. I had been trying to post to the list for the last two days w/out any success. I was last able to reply to a post successfully on 8/25 and then since that time (through 9/12), no joy. I reached out to Bernard as the last that I heard is that he had stepped up to the plate to be the list admin after Carol Elkins and Rick Quatro stepped back. Eventually, after no response via the link at the bottom of all emails, I called Bernard directly at his business. Here is the email response that I received: * Hello Tammy, thanks for reaching out. I don't even recall my password for the list but might be able to find it. I'd suggest reaching out to Rick Quattro. He's got full admin permissions in the system as well. Uh, OK. The absolute >>LAST<< that I knew, Bernard was the list admin and I have never seen a post to the otherwise; moreover, I actually had a brief conversation with Rick Quatro a while back and he explicitly stated that he was not the list admin, Bernard was. I know that many of us on this list are getting long in the tooth, myself definitely included, but I most certainly can still use the support of the community at times. I intend to keep working for at least the next 2 years, maybe 3 and I simply cannot imagine not having this list as a resource when needed. FM is still the tool of choice for several of my clients for many reasons, and even after all these years, I still need a nudge in the right direction or need to learn something new. I can't imagine that there are not others in the same boat. I kinda' feel like we (the list users) have been left hanging and have not been really given the whole scoop. I am more than willing to step to the role of list admin part-time if someone else is willing to co-admin. I don't have the bandwidth for being a sole admin, but being a co-admin would be fine. At this point, the list traffic is light enough and the list members so well known that I can't imagine having too many list issues such as a recruiting imposter, spam, etc. If you're interested, please just respond to this email directly on list because if we several folks willing to step up, that would lighten the burden for all of us, but still keep a very necessary resource for so many of us active. Thanks for reading! Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com__;!!DZ3fjg!_1bUA9a766_x5TstYjIswbZGlpCf6g29ajxKTcojZo5-W-Qe-HDpsG37TFgBLJqd-LHWbM5R63_kMWmC1J9oTCndEQ37$ ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!_1bUA9a766_x5TstYjIswbZGlpCf6g29ajxKTcojZo5-W-Qe-HDpsG37TFgBLJqd-LHWbM5R63_kMWmC1J9oTHDGukNb$ Archives located at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!DZ3fjg!_1bUA9a766_x5TstYjIswbZGlpCf6g29ajxKTcojZo5-W-Qe-HDpsG37TFgBLJqd-LHWbM5R63_kMWmC1J9oTJ_QOFVh
[Framers] Framers list admin?
OK, I am sure that I am gonna' get excoriated by a few folks on this list after this post, but at this point in my life and career, I am tough old bird. I had been trying to post to the list for the last two days w/out any success. I was last able to reply to a post successfully on 8/25 and then since that time (through 9/12), no joy. I reached out to Bernard as the last that I heard is that he had stepped up to the plate to be the list admin after Carol Elkins and Rick Quatro stepped back. Eventually, after no response via the link at the bottom of all emails, I called Bernard directly at his business. Here is the email response that I received: * Hello Tammy, thanks for reaching out. I don't even recall my password for the list but might be able to find it. I'd suggest reaching out to Rick Quattro. He's got full admin permissions in the system as well. Uh, OK. The absolute >>LAST<< that I knew, Bernard was the list admin and I have never seen a post to the otherwise; moreover, I actually had a brief conversation with Rick Quatro a while back and he explicitly stated that he was not the list admin, Bernard was. I know that many of us on this list are getting long in the tooth, myself definitely included, but I most certainly can still use the support of the community at times. I intend to keep working for at least the next 2 years, maybe 3 and I simply cannot imagine not having this list as a resource when needed. FM is still the tool of choice for several of my clients for many reasons, and even after all these years, I still need a nudge in the right direction or need to learn something new. I can't imagine that there are not others in the same boat. I kinda' feel like we (the list users) have been left hanging and have not been really given the whole scoop. I am more than willing to step to the role of list admin part-time if someone else is willing to co-admin. I don't have the bandwidth for being a sole admin, but being a co-admin would be fine. At this point, the list traffic is light enough and the list members so well known that I can't imagine having too many list issues such as a recruiting imposter, spam, etc. If you're interested, please just respond to this email directly on list because if we several folks willing to step up, that would lighten the burden for all of us, but still keep a very necessary resource for so many of us active. Thanks for reading! Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Numbered List Issue (Trying fixes on Monday)
Thanks. I'll try the fixes I've been given on Monday Alison -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of david davidartman.com Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2023 5:06 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Framers] Numbered List Issue !---| This message is from an external sender This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. If you are not sure, you can use the ReportPhish Button to submit the message for analysis. |---! You have to use a fundamentally different approach. Explicitly declare the whole numbering scheme for your nested lists (2, in this example): Level 1 = N+, A0 Level 2 = N, A+ Use your procedure-introduction heading to reset those numbering lists. Yes, a heading can have a numbering scheme, vidilicit: N=0 A=0 So you never need a 'first number' style. Dumbest idea that the intern at Adobe ever came up with. (That intern might be a VP of development, now, so... Ooops!) Bonus: conversation to DITA will be easier without an artificial/superfluous reset style. HTH. I'm not at a keyboard, and I've been out of FM for yonks. But that approach is right. David DCA:d.a.d. Original message From: acr...@shaw.ca Date: 3/30/23 19:29 (GMT-05:00) To: Framers Subject: [Framers] Numbered List Issue Win 10 with FrameMaker 20 (not the latest Frame version as my company doesn't allow updates as they are released). I'm sure the answer to this is easy, but I can't figure it out. I have a list of numbered instructions. Within that list is an alpha sub-list under one of the instructions. When I finish the last alpha sub-list entry and revert to the numbered instruction list, the number continues counting from the last alpha bullet, not the previous numbered instruction. For example: 1. 2. 3. a) b) c) d) 5. Where "5" should actually be "4". The first numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering setups: .\t .\t Second and subsequent numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering setups: .\t .\t What am I doing wrong? Alison ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!p_23yrHzBBmQq1sGV3rmOm1TytT0qS07HtmJ1ylF2mvvglM69ZUP7kl1KGYmddaOSMsjidKLNkMymviPcTkTr3ubOQ$ Archives located at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!Oq50-tQ!p_23yrHzBBmQq1sGV3rmOm1TytT0qS07HtmJ1ylF2mvvglM69ZUP7kl1KGYmddaOSMsjidKLNkMymviPcTnfc_RgeA$ Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!p_23yrHzBBmQq1sGV3rmOm1TytT0qS07HtmJ1ylF2mvvglM69ZUP7kl1KGYmddaOSMsjidKLNkMymviPcTl0UAWCDw$ Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!p_23yrHzBBmQq1sGV3rmOm1TytT0qS07HtmJ1ylF2mvvglM69ZUP7kl1KGYmddaOSMsjidKLNkMymviPcTkTr3ubOQ$ Archives located at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!Oq50-tQ!p_23yrHzBBmQq1sGV3rmOm1TytT0qS07HtmJ1ylF2mvvglM69ZUP7kl1KGYmddaOSMsjidKLNkMymviPcTnfc_RgeA$ Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!p_23yrHzBBmQq1sGV3rmOm1TytT0qS07HtmJ1ylF2mvvglM69ZUP7kl1KGYmddaOSMsjidKLNkMymviPcTl0UAWCDw$ Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Numbered List Issue
I knew there was a way to do it! I'll fix things on Monday - tomorrow I have to complete a different project. From: Alan Houser Sent: March 30, 2023 6:09 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Cc: acr...@shaw.ca Subject: Re: [Framers] Numbered List Issue Alison, The fix is fairly simple. You basically need to specify two counters in your numbered list formats; one for each list level. The first numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering setups: .\t This should be < =0>.\t (set the top-level list number to "1"; reset but do not print the second-level list number.) .\t You actually don't need this format. Each top-level list will resent the counter for the second-level list. If you did keep this format, it would be < >.\t Second and subsequent numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering setups: .\t This should be < =0>.\t (increment the first-level list number; reset but do not print the second-level list number) .\t This should be < >\t (maintain, but do not print, the first-level list number. Increment the second-level list). Once set up, FrameMaker's list numbering is rock-solid and reliable. Hope this helps! -Alan -- Alan Houser Group Wellesley, Inc. Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing arh on Twitter 412-450-0532 On Mar 30, 2023, at 7:28 PM, acr...@shaw.ca <mailto:acr...@shaw.ca> wrote: Win 10 with FrameMaker 20 (not the latest Frame version as my company doesn't allow updates as they are released). I'm sure the answer to this is easy, but I can't figure it out. I have a list of numbered instructions. Within that list is an alpha sub-list under one of the instructions. When I finish the last alpha sub-list entry and revert to the numbered instruction list, the number continues counting from the last alpha bullet, not the previous numbered instruction. For example: 1. 2. 3. a) b) c) d) 5. Where "5" should actually be "4". The first numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering setups: .\t .\t Second and subsequent numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering setups: .\t .\t What am I doing wrong? Alison ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Numbered List Issue
Alison, The fix is fairly simple. You basically need to specify two counters in your numbered list formats; one for each list level. The first numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering setups: .\t This should be < =0>.\t (set the top-level list number to "1"; reset but do not print the second-level list number.) .\t You actually don't need this format. Each top-level list will resent the counter for the second-level list. If you did keep this format, it would be < >.\t Second and subsequent numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering setups: .\t This should be < =0>.\t (increment the first-level list number; reset but do not print the second-level list number) .\t This should be < >\t (maintain, but do not print, the first-level list number. Increment the second-level list). Once set up, FrameMaker's list numbering is rock-solid and reliable. Hope this helps! -Alan -- Alan Houser Group Wellesley, Inc. Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing arh on Twitter 412-450-0532 > On Mar 30, 2023, at 7:28 PM, acr...@shaw.ca wrote: > > Win 10 with FrameMaker 20 (not the latest Frame version as my company > doesn't allow updates as they are released). > > > > > > I'm sure the answer to this is easy, but I can't figure it out. > > > > I have a list of numbered instructions. Within that list is an alpha > sub-list under one of the instructions. > > > > When I finish the last alpha sub-list entry and revert to the numbered > instruction list, the number continues counting from the last alpha bullet, > not the previous numbered instruction. > > > > For example: > > > > 1. > > 2. > > 3. > > a) > > b) > > c) > > d) > > 5. > > > > Where "5" should actually be "4". > > > > The first numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering > setups: > > .\t > > .\t > > > > Second and subsequent numbered and alpha list steps have the following > auto-numbering setups: > > .\t > > .\t > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > Alison > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Numbered List Issue
You have to use a fundamentally different approach. Explicitly declare the whole numbering scheme for your nested lists (2, in this example): Level 1 = N+, A0 Level 2 = N, A+ Use your procedure-introduction heading to reset those numbering lists. Yes, a heading can have a numbering scheme, vidilicit: N=0 A=0 So you never need a 'first number' style. Dumbest idea that the intern at Adobe ever came up with. (That intern might be a VP of development, now, so... Ooops!) Bonus: conversation to DITA will be easier without an artificial/superfluous reset style. HTH. I'm not at a keyboard, and I've been out of FM for yonks. But that approach is right. David DCA:d.a.d. Original message From: acr...@shaw.ca Date: 3/30/23 19:29 (GMT-05:00) To: Framers Subject: [Framers] Numbered List Issue Win 10 with FrameMaker 20 (not the latest Frame version as my company doesn't allow updates as they are released). I'm sure the answer to this is easy, but I can't figure it out. I have a list of numbered instructions. Within that list is an alpha sub-list under one of the instructions. When I finish the last alpha sub-list entry and revert to the numbered instruction list, the number continues counting from the last alpha bullet, not the previous numbered instruction. For example: 1. 2. 3. a) b) c) d) 5. Where "5" should actually be "4". The first numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering setups: .\t .\t Second and subsequent numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering setups: .\t .\t What am I doing wrong? Alison ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Numbered List Issue
Win 10 with FrameMaker 20 (not the latest Frame version as my company doesn't allow updates as they are released). I'm sure the answer to this is easy, but I can't figure it out. I have a list of numbered instructions. Within that list is an alpha sub-list under one of the instructions. When I finish the last alpha sub-list entry and revert to the numbered instruction list, the number continues counting from the last alpha bullet, not the previous numbered instruction. For example: 1. 2. 3. a) b) c) d) 5. Where "5" should actually be "4". The first numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering setups: .\t .\t Second and subsequent numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering setups: .\t .\t What am I doing wrong? Alison ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...
I can confirm that Frame 10 works just fine under Windows 11. I mainly use Frame 17, but I still have some clients who require Frame 10. I use Frame since version 3 and this list has always been a wonderful source of information and a life saver. Richard -Message d'origine- De : Framers De la part de Harding, Dan Envoyé : 24 janvier 2023 09:50 À : An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Objet : Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ... Per discussions on this list from September and October of 2021, Frame works fine under Windows 11. Am still running it under Windows 10 here, so no firsthand experiences with Frame and Win11. -Dan -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 12:26 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ... Are you saying that FrameMaker 10 will not work with Windows 11? Mike On 1/12/2023 3:14 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: > ...but with the move to Windows 11, we have to convert those, too. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameusers.com__%3B!!DZ3fjg!4qWaRCgu6Z_yAeg3QdFJB2SQ_ZP5OqZtoO9_s0J_DLWraz8tTht2b3yWqKQ-QQQqBfOivaAKM_XmR7X_pdw%24&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cbb63db3b1c53492b244508dafe1a6cc7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638101686700169952%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aGVHmONll9oSCHgaO0G8Zwigcc6w%2B5rtk%2BJRdmo9f%2BU%3D&reserved=0 Archives located at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fframers*40lists.frameusers.com%2F__%3BJQ!!DZ3fjg!4qWaRCgu6Z_yAeg3QdFJB2SQ_ZP5OqZtoO9_s0J_DLWraz8tTht2b3yWqKQ-QQQqBfOivaAKM_XmfF-Wonc%24&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cbb63db3b1c53492b244508dafe1a6cc7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638101686700169952%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kLCMzIEOo%2FH9B%2F32d72DmGCXq15uAcuM1BYD3PW7vzI%3D&reserved=0 Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__http%3A%2F%2Flists.frameusers.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fframers-frameusers.com__%3B!!DZ3fjg!4qWaRCgu6Z_yAeg3QdFJB2SQ_ZP5OqZtoO9_s0J_DLWraz8tTht2b3yWqKQ-QQQqBfOivaAKM_XmQOx63WA%24&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cbb63db3b1c53492b244508dafe1a6cc7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638101686700169952%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rBXExR5EutWJdW6hq3taVPTZFeZhMr5ub%2B5vhw1XtdU%3D&reserved=0 Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameusers.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cbb63db3b1c53492b244508dafe1a6cc7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638101686700169952%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZLWdmDxv%2B1hdMokKyZgScnrx%2B%2FTH%2FD4O%2Boc112%2FEop4%3D&reserved=0 Archives located at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fframers%2540lists.frameusers.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cbb63db3b1c53492b244508dafe1a6cc7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638101686700169952%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jJ7Dll6ZphhsTL9DOYekFy7SVtX%2BH6uBvSieDSpqWWc%3D&reserved=0 Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.frameusers.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fframers-frameusers.com&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cbb63db3b1c53492b244508dafe1a6cc7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638101686700326180%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LBU61EXFh298kj9hcYkCzR%2FpJcU73k234Q8e9Q7Ldhw%3D&reserved=0 Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...
Per discussions on this list from September and October of 2021, Frame works fine under Windows 11. Am still running it under Windows 10 here, so no firsthand experiences with Frame and Win11. -Dan -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 12:26 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ... Are you saying that FrameMaker 10 will not work with Windows 11? Mike On 1/12/2023 3:14 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: > ...but with the move to Windows 11, we have to convert those, too. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4qWaRCgu6Z_yAeg3QdFJB2SQ_ZP5OqZtoO9_s0J_DLWraz8tTht2b3yWqKQ-QQQqBfOivaAKM_XmR7X_pdw$ Archives located at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!DZ3fjg!4qWaRCgu6Z_yAeg3QdFJB2SQ_ZP5OqZtoO9_s0J_DLWraz8tTht2b3yWqKQ-QQQqBfOivaAKM_XmfF-Wonc$ Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4qWaRCgu6Z_yAeg3QdFJB2SQ_ZP5OqZtoO9_s0J_DLWraz8tTht2b3yWqKQ-QQQqBfOivaAKM_XmQOx63WA$ Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...
> -Original Message- > From: Tammy Van Boening > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 11:12 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: RE: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ... > > Ugh, I had a longtime client that switched from Framemaker to Flare because > they initially thought that they wanted only OLH, but when their clients > complained that they just wanted their gold standard PDF manuals back, > sigh. . . .it was too late. We spent an extra 20% on screwing around getting > PDFs in Flare just right as a result . . . Flare is superb for OLH, but for > classic > PDFs, nothing beats Framemaker. > > You were such a stalwart on this list for so long!!! And you are right . . > .it was > grand while it lasted. > > > > Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...
Are you saying that FrameMaker 10 will not work with Windows 11? Mike On 1/12/2023 3:14 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: ...but with the move to Windows 11, we have to convert those, too. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...
Ugh, I had a longtime client that switched from Framemaker to Flare because they initially thought that they wanted only OLH, but when their clients complained that they just wanted their gold standard PDF manuals back, sigh. . . .it was too late. We spent an extra 20% on screwing around getting PDFs in Flare just right as a result . . . Flare is superb for OLH, but for classic PDFs, nothing beats Framemaker. You were such a stalwart on this list for so long!!! And you are right . . .it was grand while it lasted. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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Sadly, we have switched to Flare. We still have some legacy documents in FrameMaker 10, but with the move to Windows 11, we have to convert those, too. I'm on this list "just in case", but I expect to disappear in a few years. We had a good time while it lasted... Fei Min Lorente Business Process Analyst Industrial Solutions Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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Klaus, We very much appreciate your expertise and presence on this list, so don’t consider yourself retired yet! 😉 Craig From: Framers on behalf of Klaus Daube Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 2:12 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ... On 12 Jan 2023 at 16:47, Tammy Van Boening wrote: > I don't think it's a List issue. I fully agree with your arguments, Tammy. From time to time I look into the archive - but this gap (2022-11-01 until 2023-01-12 = 2 months) is unique in the history of Framers. I'm retired since 15 years now (well, as a free lancer one defines oneself when this shall be), but I use FM for private documentation and also have still some 'customers' requiring help from time to time. And yes, I still create (and maintain) add-ons and scripts to ease work with FM (https://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker63.html and later). This keeps my expertise and allows me to still participate in beta-testing where 'my field' mainly is the user interface. You may consider this work as a hobby... Klaus ~~~ Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch<http://www.daube.ch> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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For price reasons, I stopped upgrading at FM 2012 ... don't use it much anymore except to update old docs. Z Scott Prentice said: > It doesn’t help things when the subscription price of FM goes up by 30% .. > and TCS up 40%! I did hear that Flare jumped 50% though, so apparently it’s > a trend? Sounds to me like they are getting a bit desperate, no? ...scott ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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On 12 Jan 2023 at 16:47, Tammy Van Boening wrote: > I don't think it's a List issue. I fully agree with your arguments, Tammy. From time to time I look into the archive - but this gap (2022-11-01 until 2023-01-12 = 2 months) is unique in the history of Framers. I'm retired since 15 years now (well, as a free lancer one defines oneself when this shall be), but I use FM for private documentation and also have still some 'customers' requiring help from time to time. And yes, I still create (and maintain) add-ons and scripts to ease work with FM (https://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker63.html and later). This keeps my expertise and allows me to still participate in beta-testing where 'my field' mainly is the user interface. You may consider this work as a hobby... Klaus ~~~ Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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I'm guessing they're just jumping on the gouging-under-the-guise-of-inflation bandwagon. Alison -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Scott Prentice Sent: January 12, 2023 6:12 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ... It doesn t help things when the subscription price of FM goes up by 30% .. and TCS up 40%! I did hear that Flare jumped 50% though, so apparently it s a trend? Sounds to me like they are getting a bit desperate, no? ...scott Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. > On Jan 12, 2023, at 2:04 PM, Keith Soltys wrote: > > ?I think you are right, Tammy. FrameMaker is an old-school product and Adobe > doesn't seem to be doing much to promote or improve it. I watched the webinar > for the new release a few months ago and I was distinctly underwhelmed. > That's not going to bring new users to the list. > > In my own case, I was laid off (with some rejoicing) in late 2018. I thought > I might try to land some short-term work, but then various life events and > the pandemic hit, and I now consider myself retired. I am not sure why I'm > still subscribed here since I don't have a personal copy of Frame but I do > occasionally look in to see what's going. I should look at my archived > material from work to see if I could repurpose any of it into a blog post, > but the last version of Frame I used was FrameMaker 2010, there's probably > not much point. > > It was fun while it lasted though. > > Regards > Keith > >> On 1/12/2023 11:47 AM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: >> I don't think it's a List issue. It's just that the vast majority of users >> on the list are getting long in the tooth (if they haven't already retired), >> so list traffic has dropped exponentially. Makes me feel a tad lonely and >> sad after being an active member for almost 25 years!! The names that still >> ring in my head that were once so very active on the list . . . >> >> I do know that if you post a question, there's a stalwart group of us left >> (Alison, Mike, Peter Gold, Fred Ridder, Lin Sims, me, Rick and several >> others) who will always answer. >> >> I do agree with Craig - us few survivors are darn near experts at this point >> (save the one or two Whiskey/Tango/Foxtrot moments that Frame can still >> provide) and the position of FrameMaker in the marketplace probably doesn't >> support its fervent use any more. I am just glad that I will be fully >> retired before I witness it's death. >> >> Here's to a happy and healthy 2023 for all of us. >> >> Tammy Van Boening >> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com >> www.spectrumwritingllc.com >> >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's >> homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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Au contraire! Your name is definitely a known entity on the list! Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On > Behalf Of Theresa de Valence > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 4:45 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ... > > Well, my name is not a regular one, but I've been reading this list for many, > many years and I'm very fond of so many of you! > > Happy New Year. > > Regards, > Theresa > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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It doesn’t help things when the subscription price of FM goes up by 30% .. and TCS up 40%! I did hear that Flare jumped 50% though, so apparently it’s a trend? Sounds to me like they are getting a bit desperate, no? ...scott Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. > On Jan 12, 2023, at 2:04 PM, Keith Soltys wrote: > > I think you are right, Tammy. FrameMaker is an old-school product and Adobe > doesn't seem to be doing much to promote or improve it. I watched the webinar > for the new release a few months ago and I was distinctly underwhelmed. > That's not going to bring new users to the list. > > In my own case, I was laid off (with some rejoicing) in late 2018. I thought > I might try to land some short-term work, but then various life events and > the pandemic hit, and I now consider myself retired. I am not sure why I'm > still subscribed here since I don't have a personal copy of Frame but I do > occasionally look in to see what's going. I should look at my archived > material from work to see if I could repurpose any of it into a blog post, > but the last version of Frame I used was FrameMaker 2010, there's probably > not much point. > > It was fun while it lasted though. > > Regards > Keith > >> On 1/12/2023 11:47 AM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: >> I don't think it's a List issue. It's just that the vast majority of users >> on the list are getting long in the tooth (if they haven't already retired), >> so list traffic has dropped exponentially. Makes me feel a tad lonely and >> sad after being an active member for almost 25 years!! The names that still >> ring in my head that were once so very active on the list . . . >> >> I do know that if you post a question, there's a stalwart group of us left >> (Alison, Mike, Peter Gold, Fred Ridder, Lin Sims, me, Rick and several >> others) who will always answer. >> >> I do agree with Craig - us few survivors are darn near experts at this point >> (save the one or two Whiskey/Tango/Foxtrot moments that Frame can still >> provide) and the position of FrameMaker in the marketplace probably doesn't >> support its fervent use any more. I am just glad that I will be fully >> retired before I witness it's death. >> >> Here's to a happy and healthy 2023 for all of us. >> >> Tammy Van Boening >> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com >> www.spectrumwritingllc.com >> >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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Well, my name is not a regular one, but I've been reading this list for many, many years and I'm very fond of so many of you! Happy New Year. Regards, Theresa ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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Oh Keith, your name was definitely one of the names that was a constant when it came to the regular list crowd!!! > I think you are right, Tammy. FrameMaker is an old-school product and Adobe > doesn't seem to be doing much to promote or improve it. I watched the webinar > for the new release a few months ago and I was distinctly underwhelmed. > That's not going to bring new users to the list. In my own case, I was laid off (with some rejoicing) in late 2018. I thought I might try to land some short-term work, but then various life events and the pandemic hit, and I now consider myself retired. I am not sure why I'm still subscribed here since I don't have a personal copy of Frame but I do occasionally look in to see what's going. I should look at my archived material from work to see if I could repurpose any of it into a blog post, but the last version of Frame I used was FrameMaker 2010, there's probably not much point. It was fun while it lasted though. Regards Keith< Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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>We typically see the most traffic when something new or radically different is >either announced or launched< and doesn't work as expected or is designed so poorly, that its use is far from intuitive or user-friendly, if I might add that caveat. Unfortunately, the most traffic these days is definitely for these Whiskey/Tango/Foxtrot moments that Frame can launch at us. And yep, I mentioned "long in the tooth" because I, too, can definitely be filed in that category. And nope, not dead yet either, but I will be after working on this one particular client software project. . . So far, the majority of the app has been Whiskey/Tango/Foxtrot moments and trying to figure out why the client is hell bent on leather reinveinting the wheel in terms of Windows standards. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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I think you are right, Tammy. FrameMaker is an old-school product and Adobe doesn't seem to be doing much to promote or improve it. I watched the webinar for the new release a few months ago and I was distinctly underwhelmed. That's not going to bring new users to the list. In my own case, I was laid off (with some rejoicing) in late 2018. I thought I might try to land some short-term work, but then various life events and the pandemic hit, and I now consider myself retired. I am not sure why I'm still subscribed here since I don't have a personal copy of Frame but I do occasionally look in to see what's going. I should look at my archived material from work to see if I could repurpose any of it into a blog post, but the last version of Frame I used was FrameMaker 2010, there's probably not much point. It was fun while it lasted though. Regards Keith On 1/12/2023 11:47 AM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: I don't think it's a List issue. It's just that the vast majority of users on the list are getting long in the tooth (if they haven't already retired), so list traffic has dropped exponentially. Makes me feel a tad lonely and sad after being an active member for almost 25 years!! The names that still ring in my head that were once so very active on the list . . . I do know that if you post a question, there's a stalwart group of us left (Alison, Mike, Peter Gold, Fred Ridder, Lin Sims, me, Rick and several others) who will always answer. I do agree with Craig - us few survivors are darn near experts at this point (save the one or two Whiskey/Tango/Foxtrot moments that Frame can still provide) and the position of FrameMaker in the marketplace probably doesn't support its fervent use any more. I am just glad that I will be fully retired before I witness it's death. Here's to a happy and healthy 2023 for all of us. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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Another issue may be that there hasn't been anything revolutionary, earth-shattering, or system-breaking with respect to Frame in a while. Outside of "how do I?..." posts to the list, we typically see the most traffic when something new or radically different is either announced or launched. Re: long in the tooth, file me in that category. I took early retirement in October of 2021, although I'm being brought back each year as a seasonal consultant to continue producing the textbook that I've been doing in Frame for the last 17 years... so we're not all dead yet. 😉 -Dan -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 10:48 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ... I don't think it's a List issue. It's just that the vast majority of users on the list are getting long in the tooth (if they haven't already retired), so list traffic has dropped exponentially. Makes me feel a tad lonely and sad after being an active member for almost 25 years!! The names that still ring in my head that were once so very active on the list . . . I do know that if you post a question, there's a stalwart group of us left (Alison, Mike, Peter Gold, Fred Ridder, Lin Sims, me, Rick and several others) who will always answer. I do agree with Craig - us few survivors are darn near experts at this point (save the one or two Whiskey/Tango/Foxtrot moments that Frame can still provide) and the position of FrameMaker in the marketplace probably doesn't support its fervent use any more. I am just glad that I will be fully retired before I witness it's death. Here's to a happy and healthy 2023 for all of us. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4Qb9RXjIGG-7GW39Qti5zk2wbjt8uQmyp58iJBYBqNcrCi-5IaFsxmiqS_MC7L-giGXIHlNe4LhidS8FZdARAS6ApoG6$ ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4Qb9RXjIGG-7GW39Qti5zk2wbjt8uQmyp58iJBYBqNcrCi-5IaFsxmiqS_MC7L-giGXIHlNe4LhidS8FZdARAeBzh_Xk$ Archives located at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!DZ3fjg!4Qb9RXjIGG-7GW39Qti5zk2wbjt8uQmyp58iJBYBqNcrCi-5IaFsxmiqS_MC7L-giGXIHlNe4LhidS8FZdARAeMaKV9Y$ Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4Qb9RXjIGG-7GW39Qti5zk2wbjt8uQmyp58iJBYBqNcrCi-5IaFsxmiqS_MC7L-giGXIHlNe4LhidS8FZdARAVVw0-Yz$ Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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Thanks, Tammy, and the others who have responded. Yes, I too am indeed at that age where I need to consider my retirement options ... eek! Happy New Year to everybody! Z From: Framers on behalf of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:47 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ... CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. I don't think it's a List issue. It's just that the vast majority of users on the list are getting long in the tooth (if they haven't already retired), so list traffic has dropped exponentially. Makes me feel a tad lonely and sad after being an active member for almost 25 years!! The names that still ring in my head that were once so very active on the list . . . I do know that if you post a question, there's a stalwart group of us left (Alison, Mike, Peter Gold, Fred Ridder, Lin Sims, me, Rick and several others) who will always answer. I do agree with Craig - us few survivors are darn near experts at this point (save the one or two Whiskey/Tango/Foxtrot moments that Frame can still provide) and the position of FrameMaker in the marketplace probably doesn't support its fervent use any more. I am just glad that I will be fully retired before I witness it's death. Here's to a happy and healthy 2023 for all of us. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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I don't think it's a List issue. It's just that the vast majority of users on the list are getting long in the tooth (if they haven't already retired), so list traffic has dropped exponentially. Makes me feel a tad lonely and sad after being an active member for almost 25 years!! The names that still ring in my head that were once so very active on the list . . . I do know that if you post a question, there's a stalwart group of us left (Alison, Mike, Peter Gold, Fred Ridder, Lin Sims, me, Rick and several others) who will always answer. I do agree with Craig - us few survivors are darn near experts at this point (save the one or two Whiskey/Tango/Foxtrot moments that Frame can still provide) and the position of FrameMaker in the marketplace probably doesn't support its fervent use any more. I am just glad that I will be fully retired before I witness it's death. Here's to a happy and healthy 2023 for all of us. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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Yes, it has been a longish dry spell on Framers. Possible reasons: - a long holiday break - we have all become experts - or ?? I do miss the liveliness (and informativeness) this list used to provide. The position of FrameMaker in the marketplace probably doesn’t support that any longer. It has been a nice run! Craig Ede —-snipped—- ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...
I hadn't noticed until you mentioned it, but the list is pretty quiet. I am spending more time on Adobe Forums these days. -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2023 10:18 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ... ... November 1 of 2022. Am I off the list somehow? Z ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...
Z Apparently not. So it’s not just me…. Jack DeLand 734 972 3026 > On Jan 12, 2023, at 2:23 AM, Johan Anglemark wrote: > > According to the list archive the message you replied to (and changed > the subject of) was the last one previous to your reply. So over two > months' worth of silence, yep. > > -j > > On 2023-01-12 5:05 fm, Mike Wickham wrote: > > I see your message. Not sure when I saw the last message, though. > Mike > On 1/11/2023 9:17 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: > > ... November 1 of 2022. > Am I off the list somehow? > Z > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...
According to the list archive the message you replied to (and changed the subject of) was the last one previous to your reply. So over two months' worth of silence, yep. -j On 2023-01-12 5:05 fm, Mike Wickham wrote: I see your message. Not sure when I saw the last message, though. Mike On 1/11/2023 9:17 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: ... November 1 of 2022. Am I off the list somehow? Z ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...
I see your message. Not sure when I saw the last message, though. Mike On 1/11/2023 9:17 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: ... November 1 of 2022. Am I off the list somehow? Z ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...
... November 1 of 2022. Am I off the list somehow? Z ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Automated index or list of keywords in Frame or Word?
Hi Dan: In his retirement, my husband Don has taken up a third career as an indexer - and no, I'm not trying to sell you his services. ;-) He recently completed a Word project with 250,000 indexable words (39 articles for a publication on the Anthropology of Technology) and for that he used an SaaS product called "Index Manager" (link is below with the info he forwarded to me). He says the company that makes the product supports Structured Frame - although I don't have any details about what that entails. As an SaaS product, Don signed up for only one quarter as most jobs allow him to use another product that works with print-ready PDFs from the publisher. If he needs it again, he'll sign up again. He says that you could definitely work on a chapter-by-chapter basis then stitch it all together at the end to create a single index (again, I don't have details on how that's done). And yes, the program inserts Word index markers into the Word file even though you work in the SaaS software. + Embedded Indexing Links "Index Manager": https://index-manager.net/en/home/?v=3e8d115eb4b3 It has a bit of a learning curve, especially for advanced features. The company is very responsive and helpful with any problems. Lots of people also use one of the following. "DexEmbed": I believe this is a 32-bit program, https://www.editorium.com/dexembed.htm "WordEmbed": https://jalamb.com/ + If you have any specific questions, contact me offline and I'll let him reply. Alison acr...@shaw.ca == -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Harding, Dan Sent: December 31, 2021 10:45 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [Framers] Automated index or list of keywords in Frame or Word? Good afternoon, First a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the list! By way of background: I have been typesetting an annual textbook in FrameMaker for the last 15+ years. I retired at the end of September, but that's not the cause of my inquiry. I will be continuing to do the same work moving forward on a seasonal freelance basis. No, the changes are to other positions in the editorial workflow and a necessary streamlining of the processes involved. The book that is produced, while existing in PDF formats for electronic access by course attendees, is still primarily a printed work. We've had internal discussions regarding discontinuing the traditional index given the labor involved, given that people typically use Ctrl-f in the PDFs, however this is of no use to a person who only has the printed book. Even if there is no contextual index with content organized into entries, sub-entries, etc. (we've typically gone 3-4 levels deep), IMO there needs to at least be an alphabetical list of major terms/concepts with corresponding page numbers, i.e., a "poor-man's index." Historically, the insertion of index markers has been done in Microsoft Word after the technical and stylistic editing is done, immediately prior to import into Frame, with further refinement and reconciliation all done within Frame. This insertion of index markers has been a manual process, but the position doing this work is being eliminated, and the SMEs and editors do not have the time in the process (or expertise) to take on this process. Outsourcing is not an option, given the idiosyncratic industry jargon that is used; any general indexing service or freelancer wouldn't have the background in our specific industry to be able to effectively index the material. We've tried using external services to do this in the past and it failed dismally due to the lack of context by the party(ies) doing the indexing. There won't be time or resources to take on a learning curve once we're in the midst of production or to vet the work at that point. I realize full well that there is an art/skill to creating an effective index. I'm not arguing that. However, for expediency moving forward this manual process needs to be eliminated, so I am looking for alternative automated solutions that will get us part of the way there. The chapters are produced at different times over a 6-month period, with initial index entry reconciliation work starting at approximately the 4 month mark, and the majority of the reconciliation work being done at the very tail end of the production process immediately prior to going to press (so very small window to complete the final work in Frame). So I am looking for suggestions for either of the following: 1. Microsoft Word-based methods or plugins that will create a keyword/key-term list and insert index markers that will then flow through into FrameMaker upon import. It needs to create and insert the Word index markers; it cannot be a manual insertion process once a list
Re: [Framers] Automated index or list of keywords in Frame or Word?
Hi Ken, I appreciate that suggestion, however I stopped using ixgen back in 2019 as it is only compatible with the 32-bit version of FrameMaker. I found that trying to juggle 32-bit vs. 64-bit Frame applications depending on task to be extremely cumbersome. I'll revisit the application, but Frame's UI performance in 64-bit is bad enough, 32-bit horrifically so. Thanks, -Dan -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 5:34 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Automated index or list of keywords in Frame or Word? Let's see . . . so they want it done but nobody above you has time to support you. And there is a time crunch and other restrictions. Yep, heard that before. I recall in the early 2000s using a FrameMaker-friendly program called Ixgen that seems to me to do what you require. It worked great. The program is apparently still alive and kicking with more info available at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.fsatools.com/ixgencentral.htm__;!!DZ3fjg!uO2osNRWQ4f86JqrbgcNkxnHyN69K3AjfVtx2dEj4Okwlmzh_P3lc5Ja05Xrtu3Cov4$ The initial license is only $249.00, which should not be a financial burden to the university. I hope this helps. Happy New Year! -- Ken in Atlanta * On Friday, December 31, 2021, 01:45:20 PM EST, Harding, Dan wrote: Good afternoon, First a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the list! By way of background: I have been typesetting an annual textbook in FrameMaker for the last 15+ years. I retired at the end of September, but that's not the cause of my inquiry. I will be continuing to do the same work moving forward on a seasonal freelance basis. No, the changes are to other positions in the editorial workflow and a necessary streamlining of the processes involved. The book that is produced, while existing in PDF formats for electronic access by course attendees, is still primarily a printed work. We've had internal discussions regarding discontinuing the traditional index given the labor involved, given that people typically use Ctrl-f in the PDFs, however this is of no use to a person who only has the printed book. Even if there is no contextual index with content organized into entries, sub-entries, etc. (we've typically gone 3-4 levels deep), IMO there needs to at least be an alphabetical list of major terms/concepts with corresponding page numbers, i.e., a "poor-man's index." Historically, the insertion of index markers has been done in Microsoft Word after the technical and stylistic editing is done, immediately prior to import into Frame, with further refinement and reconciliation all done within Frame. This insertion of index markers has been a manual process, but the position doing this work is being eliminated, and the SMEs and editors do not have the time in the process (or expertise) to take on this process. Outsourcing is not an option, given the idiosyncratic industry jargon that is used; any general indexing service or freelancer wouldn't have the background in our specific industry to be able to effectively index the material. We've tried using external services to do this in the past and it failed dismally due to the lack of context by the party(ies) doing the indexing. There won't be time or resources to take on a learning curve once we're in the midst of production or to vet the work at that point. I realize full well that there is an art/skill to creating an effective index. I'm not arguing that. However, for expediency moving forward this manual process needs to be eliminated, so I am looking for alternative automated solutions that will get us part of the way there. The chapters are produced at different times over a 6-month period, with initial index entry reconciliation work starting at approximately the 4 month mark, and the majority of the reconciliation work being done at the very tail end of the production process immediately prior to going to press (so very small window to complete the final work in Frame). So I am looking for suggestions for either of the following: 1. Microsoft Word-based methods or plugins that will create a keyword/key-term list and insert index markers that will then flow through into FrameMaker upon import. It needs to create and insert the Word index markers; it cannot be a manual insertion process once a list is created. 2. Script/plugin for FrameMaker that does the same after the Word content is imported. Again, it needs to be an automated process that creates and inserts the index markers, understanding that some refinement and reconciliation will be needed. If we need to incorporate the manual creation of a general terms list that chapters are then automated against, or manual vetting of a generated list, that presumably could be inco
Re: [Framers] Automated index or list of keywords in Frame or Word?
Let's see . . . so they want it done but nobody above you has time to support you. And there is a time crunch and other restrictions. Yep, heard that before. I recall in the early 2000s using a FrameMaker-friendly program called Ixgen that seems to me to do what you require. It worked great. The program is apparently still alive and kicking with more info available at http://www.fsatools.com/ixgencentral.htm The initial license is only $249.00, which should not be a financial burden to the university. I hope this helps. Happy New Year! -- Ken in Atlanta * On Friday, December 31, 2021, 01:45:20 PM EST, Harding, Dan wrote: Good afternoon, First a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the list! By way of background: I have been typesetting an annual textbook in FrameMaker for the last 15+ years. I retired at the end of September, but that's not the cause of my inquiry. I will be continuing to do the same work moving forward on a seasonal freelance basis. No, the changes are to other positions in the editorial workflow and a necessary streamlining of the processes involved. The book that is produced, while existing in PDF formats for electronic access by course attendees, is still primarily a printed work. We've had internal discussions regarding discontinuing the traditional index given the labor involved, given that people typically use Ctrl-f in the PDFs, however this is of no use to a person who only has the printed book. Even if there is no contextual index with content organized into entries, sub-entries, etc. (we've typically gone 3-4 levels deep), IMO there needs to at least be an alphabetical list of major terms/concepts with corresponding page numbers, i.e., a "poor-man's index." Historically, the insertion of index markers has been done in Microsoft Word after the technical and stylistic editing is done, immediately prior to import into Frame, with further refinement and reconciliation all done within Frame. This insertion of index markers has been a manual process, but the position doing this work is being eliminated, and the SMEs and editors do not have the time in the process (or expertise) to take on this process. Outsourcing is not an option, given the idiosyncratic industry jargon that is used; any general indexing service or freelancer wouldn't have the background in our specific industry to be able to effectively index the material. We've tried using external services to do this in the past and it failed dismally due to the lack of context by the party(ies) doing the indexing. There won't be time or resources to take on a learning curve once we're in the midst of production or to vet the work at that point. I realize full well that there is an art/skill to creating an effective index. I'm not arguing that. However, for expediency moving forward this manual process needs to be eliminated, so I am looking for alternative automated solutions that will get us part of the way there. The chapters are produced at different times over a 6-month period, with initial index entry reconciliation work starting at approximately the 4 month mark, and the majority of the reconciliation work being done at the very tail end of the production process immediately prior to going to press (so very small window to complete the final work in Frame). So I am looking for suggestions for either of the following: 1. Microsoft Word-based methods or plugins that will create a keyword/key-term list and insert index markers that will then flow through into FrameMaker upon import. It needs to create and insert the Word index markers; it cannot be a manual insertion process once a list is created. 2. Script/plugin for FrameMaker that does the same after the Word content is imported. Again, it needs to be an automated process that creates and inserts the index markers, understanding that some refinement and reconciliation will be needed. If we need to incorporate the manual creation of a general terms list that chapters are then automated against, or manual vetting of a generated list, that presumably could be incorporated into the editorial stages prior to typesetting. I'm open to other suggestions, however we are not moving the typesetting production out of FrameMaker at this time, nor are we looking to contract with a service for this work on an ongoing basis. If there are one-time up-front development costs that results in something turn-key and sustainable moving forward, that would be considered, but we are looking to avoid recurring expenses. Thank you in advance for any input/suggestions. -Dan Harding ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail
[Framers] Automated index or list of keywords in Frame or Word?
Good afternoon, First a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the list! By way of background: I have been typesetting an annual textbook in FrameMaker for the last 15+ years. I retired at the end of September, but that's not the cause of my inquiry. I will be continuing to do the same work moving forward on a seasonal freelance basis. No, the changes are to other positions in the editorial workflow and a necessary streamlining of the processes involved. The book that is produced, while existing in PDF formats for electronic access by course attendees, is still primarily a printed work. We've had internal discussions regarding discontinuing the traditional index given the labor involved, given that people typically use Ctrl-f in the PDFs, however this is of no use to a person who only has the printed book. Even if there is no contextual index with content organized into entries, sub-entries, etc. (we've typically gone 3-4 levels deep), IMO there needs to at least be an alphabetical list of major terms/concepts with corresponding page numbers, i.e., a "poor-man's index." Historically, the insertion of index markers has been done in Microsoft Word after the technical and stylistic editing is done, immediately prior to import into Frame, with further refinement and reconciliation all done within Frame. This insertion of index markers has been a manual process, but the position doing this work is being eliminated, and the SMEs and editors do not have the time in the process (or expertise) to take on this process. Outsourcing is not an option, given the idiosyncratic industry jargon that is used; any general indexing service or freelancer wouldn't have the background in our specific industry to be able to effectively index the material. We've tried using external services to do this in the past and it failed dismally due to the lack of context by the party(ies) doing the indexing. There won't be time or resources to take on a learning curve once we're in the midst of production or to vet the work at that point. I realize full well that there is an art/skill to creating an effective index. I'm not arguing that. However, for expediency moving forward this manual process needs to be eliminated, so I am looking for alternative automated solutions that will get us part of the way there. The chapters are produced at different times over a 6-month period, with initial index entry reconciliation work starting at approximately the 4 month mark, and the majority of the reconciliation work being done at the very tail end of the production process immediately prior to going to press (so very small window to complete the final work in Frame). So I am looking for suggestions for either of the following: 1. Microsoft Word-based methods or plugins that will create a keyword/key-term list and insert index markers that will then flow through into FrameMaker upon import. It needs to create and insert the Word index markers; it cannot be a manual insertion process once a list is created. 2. Script/plugin for FrameMaker that does the same after the Word content is imported. Again, it needs to be an automated process that creates and inserts the index markers, understanding that some refinement and reconciliation will be needed. If we need to incorporate the manual creation of a general terms list that chapters are then automated against, or manual vetting of a generated list, that presumably could be incorporated into the editorial stages prior to typesetting. I'm open to other suggestions, however we are not moving the typesetting production out of FrameMaker at this time, nor are we looking to contract with a service for this work on an ongoing basis. If there are one-time up-front development costs that results in something turn-key and sustainable moving forward, that would be considered, but we are looking to avoid recurring expenses. Thank you in advance for any input/suggestions. -Dan Harding ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Welcome to the new FrameUsers List Mom
Hi, Carol, thank you very much for your service for us! And Bernard, thank you very much for helping us as our list mom! I follow this list for many years now. Very valuable! Thank you! Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 7:03 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Welcome to the new FrameUsers List Mom Hi everyone, I wanted to introduce you to the new FrameUsers List Mom. It is none other than (drum roll please)... Bernard Aschwanden Already well known and well loved by many of us on the list, Bernard will be a great List Mom, and I have every confidence that he will maintain the integrity and quality of the listserv. I think the handover will go really smoothly, but if you do experience any bumps or anomalies, please let Bernard know. Email him at listad...@frameusers.com It has been such a pleasure working with you all. And it is YOU who make this list rock. Keep doing what you've been doing. Carol Elkins former List Mom ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Welcome to the new FrameUsers List Mom
Bernard, thank you for volunteering to manage the list. It's important for FrameMaker users to be able to easily communicate and to help when problems arise with the product. Sheila Loring ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Welcome to the new FrameUsers List Mom
Most Excellent! 😊 Thanks for volunteering, Bernard! Z -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 10:03 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Welcome to the new FrameUsers List Mom Hi everyone, I wanted to introduce you to the new FrameUsers List Mom. It is none other than (drum roll please)... Bernard Aschwanden Already well known and well loved by many of us on the list, Bernard will be a great List Mom, and I have every confidence that he will maintain the integrity and quality of the listserv. I think the handover will go really smoothly, but if you do experience any bumps or anomalies, please let Bernard know. Email him at listad...@frameusers.com It has been such a pleasure working with you all. And it is YOU who make this list rock. Keep doing what you've been doing. Carol Elkins former List Mom ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Welcome to the new FrameUsers List Mom
Thank you, Bernard. I look forward to many more years of this list helping me and others. On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 1:03 PM Carol J. Elkins wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I wanted to introduce you to the new FrameUsers List Mom. It is none > other than (drum roll please)... > > Bernard Aschwanden > > Already well known and well loved by many of us on the list, Bernard > will be a great List Mom, and I have every confidence that he will > maintain the integrity and quality of the listserv. > > I think the handover will go really smoothly, but if you do > experience any bumps or anomalies, please let Bernard know. Email him > at listad...@frameusers.com > > It has been such a pleasure working with you all. And it is YOU who > make this list rock. Keep doing what you've been doing. > > Carol Elkins > former List Mom > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Welcome to the new FrameUsers List Mom
Thanks, Bernard and best of luck (and blessings!). Bodvar Bjorgvinsson fös., 9. júl. 2021 kl. 17:28 skrifaði generic...@gmail.com < generic...@gmail.com>: > Hurray! > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 at 1:03 PM, Carol J. Elkins > wrote: Hi everyone, > > I wanted to introduce you to the new FrameUsers List Mom. It is none > other than (drum roll please)... > > Bernard Aschwanden > > Already well known and well loved by many of us on the list, Bernard > will be a great List Mom, and I have every confidence that he will > maintain the integrity and quality of the listserv. > > I think the handover will go really smoothly, but if you do > experience any bumps or anomalies, please let Bernard know. Email him > at listad...@frameusers.com > > It has been such a pleasure working with you all. And it is YOU who > make this list rock. Keep doing what you've been doing. > > Carol Elkins > former List Mom > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Welcome to the new FrameUsers List Mom
Yy, Bernard! Yy, Carol! Yy, Rick! Frame marches on. On Fri, Jul 9, 2021, 12:03 PM Carol J. Elkins wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I wanted to introduce you to the new FrameUsers List Mom. It is none > other than (drum roll please)... > > Bernard Aschwanden > > Already well known and well loved by many of us on the list, Bernard > will be a great List Mom, and I have every confidence that he will > maintain the integrity and quality of the listserv. > > I think the handover will go really smoothly, but if you do > experience any bumps or anomalies, please let Bernard know. Email him > at listad...@frameusers.com > > It has been such a pleasure working with you all. And it is YOU who > make this list rock. Keep doing what you've been doing. > > Carol Elkins > former List Mom > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Welcome to the new FrameUsers List Mom
Hurray! Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 at 1:03 PM, Carol J. Elkins wrote: Hi everyone, I wanted to introduce you to the new FrameUsers List Mom. It is none other than (drum roll please)... Bernard Aschwanden Already well known and well loved by many of us on the list, Bernard will be a great List Mom, and I have every confidence that he will maintain the integrity and quality of the listserv. I think the handover will go really smoothly, but if you do experience any bumps or anomalies, please let Bernard know. Email him at listad...@frameusers.com It has been such a pleasure working with you all. And it is YOU who make this list rock. Keep doing what you've been doing. Carol Elkins former List Mom ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Welcome to the new FrameUsers List Mom
Hi everyone, I wanted to introduce you to the new FrameUsers List Mom. It is none other than (drum roll please)... Bernard Aschwanden Already well known and well loved by many of us on the list, Bernard will be a great List Mom, and I have every confidence that he will maintain the integrity and quality of the listserv. I think the handover will go really smoothly, but if you do experience any bumps or anomalies, please let Bernard know. Email him at listad...@frameusers.com It has been such a pleasure working with you all. And it is YOU who make this list rock. Keep doing what you've been doing. Carol Elkins former List Mom ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Please remove me from list
Stephen O'BRIEN wrote: > REMOVE Unfortunately, we as list members cannot do so ... Please look at the bottom of each list e-mail to see how you can subscribe and unsubscribe: "Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com"; ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Please remove me from list
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Re: [Framers] a friendly list, for long-time Framer colleagues
Hi, Monique, et. al. I am in the SF Bay Area and you are totally correct about the trends here … all of our new documents are on-line, with PDF generation as needed. I only use FrameMaker occasionally now … my new specs are all done in TeX (well, LaTeX actually!) Z From: Monique Semp Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 10:58 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. ; Syed Zaeem Hosain Subject: a friendly list, for long-time Framer colleagues Yes, what Z said! I haven't used FrameMaker for a goodly number of years now, having moved to jobs that use a docs-as-code approach. (So Markdown, SSGs [static site generators], developer tools.) And given the job market and location I'm in -- the San Francisco Bay Area, and lots of startup companies -- it seems unlikely I'll have a FrameMaker-oriented job ever again. But I like to remain on this list so that I hear from long-time colleagues, even if it's just to wish them a happy retirement! -Monique On 10/23/19 10:48 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: I am still on this list more out of habit than anything else. 😊 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] a friendly list, for long-time Framer colleagues
Yes, what Z said! I haven't used FrameMaker for a goodly number of years now, having moved to jobs that use a docs-as-code approach. (So Markdown, SSGs [static site generators], developer tools.) And given the job market and location I'm in -- the San Francisco Bay Area, and lots of startup companies -- it seems unlikely I'll have a FrameMaker-oriented job ever again. But I like to remain on this list so that I hear from long-time colleagues, even if it's just to wish them a happy retirement! -Monique On 10/23/19 10:48 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: I am still on this list more out of habit than anything else. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019: generating responsive HTML5 from a ditamap: ToC is just an alphabetical list of topic titles
Hi group This problem seems to happen only when I generate webhelp from a bookmap. When I generate webhelp from a regular ditamap, the ToC looks fine. Cheers Yves On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 15:49, Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > I'm generating responsive html5 from a ditamap, using FrameMaker 2019. I > see that the table of content is not really a table of contents, but just a > flat list of all my topics titles, arranged in alphabetical order. Any > ideas how I can get a "real" ToC in there? > > Many thanks in advance. > > Yves > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] FrameMaker 2019: generating responsive HTML5 from a ditamap: ToC is just an alphabetical list of topic titles
Hi group I'm generating responsive html5 from a ditamap, using FrameMaker 2019. I see that the table of content is not really a table of contents, but just a flat list of all my topics titles, arranged in alphabetical order. Any ideas how I can get a "real" ToC in there? Many thanks in advance. Yves ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] OT/PSA for the creative writers on this list
Tammy: Will the Six Word Mystery Novel be on again this year? My entry: Beginning, middle, morgue. Tammy's lonely life. Regards, Hedley On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 at 02:50, Tammy Van Boening < tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: > Rocky Mountain Mystery Writers of America's First Annual Six-Word Mystery > Contest > > "One story. Six words. Good luck!" > > While a picture is worth a thousand words, a six-word novel is a brilliant > gem. Enter your six-word mystery in Rocky Mountain Mystery Writers of > America's First Annual Six-Word Mystery Contest. > > This contest will be judged by esteemed authors and maybe infamous > scoundrels who will choose the finalists in each category. Finalists will > get to read their entries and have them featured on the RMMWA website; > winners will be voted on by those attending our annual Holiday Party, > December 13, 2017 and announced that evening. Winners will receive valuable > cash prizes and forever be immortalized. > > Six-word novels can be entered in one or all five of the following > categories: > . Hard Boiled or Noir > . Cozy > . Thriller > . Police Procedural > . Romance and Lust > > Cost to enter is $6 per one entry (that's a mere $1 per word); or $10 to > enter six-word mysteries in all five > categories. > > Grand Prize winner will receive $100 in hard, cold cash. > > Finalists in other categories will receive valuable gift cards to Tattered > Cover. > > According to legend, this whole notion of a six-word novel started in the > 1920s when Ernest Hemingway at New > York's Algonquin Hotel or Luchow's restaurant (depending on who you ask) > won > a $10 bet by writing a six-word story. His dark and dramatic submission > was: > "For sale: Baby shoes. Never worn." Urban legend or no, memorable, > heart-breaking and sublime six-word stories have been penned ever since. > Now's your chance. > > Contest is open to all adults 18 and over. No residency requirements. > Entries can be sent between October 1, 2017 and midnight, November 26, > 2017. > > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Owner/Principal > > Spectrum Writing, LLC > > Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com > > 303-840-1755 > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- 1/17 Glyndon Road, Camberwell VIC 3124, Australia hedley.fin...@gmail.com Telephone 03 9836 4635 Mobile 0412 461 558 LinuxCounter.net registered computer 576484 (course there are more Linux users than that!) ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM12 - List of Imported Graphics != All Files
All, I reinstalled FM12 and patched it, and inserting a list of imported graphics to the book now works. Thanks for all of the suggestions. C2 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM12 - List of Imported Graphics != All Files
Thanks for the offer. I'm wondering if the feature is broken or if I'm not setting it up correctly? I was certain it worked before, perhaps that was FM9. C2 -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:12:34 -0400 From: Lin Sims To: Frame Users Subject: Re: [Framers] FM12 - List of Imported Graphics != All Files Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" You might want to try Rick Quattro's ArchiveES script. It collects all graphics into their own folder and updates all files in a book to use the new path. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 6:19 PM cuc tu wrote: > Hi All, > > > I've used to add a list of imported graphics, and then use that write a > batch file to collect all of the files into a single folder, and then > update Frame to use that folder. Now, I am not getting all of the files. It > seems like Frame gets stuck on a single file type, such as Illustrator, and > ignores the rest. Sometimes I get a mix, such as all .ai and one .jpg. That > is consistent, however. > > > 1. Open book file > 2. Add > List Of > References... > 3. Include References: Imported Graphics > 4. Update book, including all selections > 5. Ta-da - a partial list > > > Have I forgotten something that will produce a complete list? I am not > creating a list for just the file, since no other files were opened, but I > have tried opening all the files and selecting the book when adding the > list, to avoid the confusing message about adding the list to the book. > > > FM12 unstructured. > > > Thanks, > > C2 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM12 - List of Imported Graphics != All Files
You might want to try Rick Quattro's ArchiveES script. It collects all graphics into their own folder and updates all files in a book to use the new path. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 6:19 PM cuc tu wrote: > Hi All, > > > I've used to add a list of imported graphics, and then use that write a > batch file to collect all of the files into a single folder, and then > update Frame to use that folder. Now, I am not getting all of the files. It > seems like Frame gets stuck on a single file type, such as Illustrator, and > ignores the rest. Sometimes I get a mix, such as all .ai and one .jpg. That > is consistent, however. > > > 1. Open book file > 2. Add > List Of > References... > 3. Include References: Imported Graphics > 4. Update book, including all selections > 5. Ta-da - a partial list > > > Have I forgotten something that will produce a complete list? I am not > creating a list for just the file, since no other files were opened, but I > have tried opening all the files and selecting the book when adding the > list, to avoid the confusing message about adding the list to the book. > > > FM12 unstructured. > > > Thanks, > > C2 > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] FM12 - List of Imported Graphics != All Files
Hi All, I've used to add a list of imported graphics, and then use that write a batch file to collect all of the files into a single folder, and then update Frame to use that folder. Now, I am not getting all of the files. It seems like Frame gets stuck on a single file type, such as Illustrator, and ignores the rest. Sometimes I get a mix, such as all .ai and one .jpg. That is consistent, however. 1. Open book file 2. Add > List Of > References... 3. Include References: Imported Graphics 4. Update book, including all selections 5. Ta-da - a partial list Have I forgotten something that will produce a complete list? I am not creating a list for just the file, since no other files were opened, but I have tried opening all the files and selecting the book when adding the list, to avoid the confusing message about adding the list to the book. FM12 unstructured. Thanks, C2 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] List of Figures linking (UnStructured Frame)
Hi Doug, You are right; Character Formats only work in indexes, not lists. If you have time for a short web meeting, contact me offlist and I may be able to give you a good workaround. Thanks. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-729-6746 NEW! -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:12 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] List of Figures linking (UnStructured Frame) It's not working for me. Anything I type in the Marker Text window when I make the marker ends up in the LoM document. So not only are the and in the Body page of my LoM, but none of it is bold, either. I've tried it with multiple character formats; they're not being implemented. I'm using Frame 2017. On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Doug, > > You can use Character Formats inside of Marker text. Try using this > (assuming you have a Bold Character Format in your document): > > Figure 1: Whatsit (exploded view) > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > r...@frameexpert.com > 585-729-6746 NEW! > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > > On > Behalf Of Doug > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:33 AM > To: Framers > Subject: [Framers] List of Figures linking (UnStructured Frame) > > I noticed that when a reader clicks a List of Figures entry in the PDF > of my document, it jumps to the figure in the body and places the > figure's link at the top of the screen. This is fine if I designed > the document to have figure links above the figure, but my > department's policy is to have the figure links below the figures. > This results in the figure itself being off the top the screen when > the figure link displays at the top. > > Does anyone have a suggestion for resolving this? > > I've made a List of Markers with the markers above the figure, and > this works, but the problem with that is it complicates the wording of > the entries in the List of Markers. > > Example: *Figure 1*: Whatsit (exploded view) > > "Figure 1:" has to be in bold, and "Whatsit (exploded view)" is not bold. > > I can't do this using a simple Marker. > > Ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > Doug Bailey > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/ framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe > and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] List of Figures linking (UnStructured Frame)
It's not working for me. Anything I type in the Marker Text window when I make the marker ends up in the LoM document. So not only are the and in the Body page of my LoM, but none of it is bold, either. I've tried it with multiple character formats; they're not being implemented. I'm using Frame 2017. On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Doug, > > You can use Character Formats inside of Marker text. Try using this > (assuming you have a Bold Character Format in your document): > > Figure 1: Whatsit (exploded view) > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > r...@frameexpert.com > 585-729-6746 NEW! > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On > Behalf Of Doug > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:33 AM > To: Framers > Subject: [Framers] List of Figures linking (UnStructured Frame) > > I noticed that when a reader clicks a List of Figures entry in the PDF of > my > document, it jumps to the figure in the body and places the figure's link > at > the top of the screen. This is fine if I designed the document to have > figure links above the figure, but my department's policy is to have the > figure links below the figures. This results in the figure itself being > off > the top the screen when the figure link displays at the top. > > Does anyone have a suggestion for resolving this? > > I've made a List of Markers with the markers above the figure, and this > works, but the problem with that is it complicates the wording of the > entries in the List of Markers. > > Example: *Figure 1*: Whatsit (exploded view) > > "Figure 1:" has to be in bold, and "Whatsit (exploded view)" is not bold. > > I can't do this using a simple Marker. > > Ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > Doug Bailey > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] List of Figures linking (UnStructured Frame)
Hi Doug, You can use Character Formats inside of Marker text. Try using this (assuming you have a Bold Character Format in your document): Figure 1: Whatsit (exploded view) Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-729-6746 NEW! -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:33 AM To: Framers Subject: [Framers] List of Figures linking (UnStructured Frame) I noticed that when a reader clicks a List of Figures entry in the PDF of my document, it jumps to the figure in the body and places the figure's link at the top of the screen. This is fine if I designed the document to have figure links above the figure, but my department's policy is to have the figure links below the figures. This results in the figure itself being off the top the screen when the figure link displays at the top. Does anyone have a suggestion for resolving this? I've made a List of Markers with the markers above the figure, and this works, but the problem with that is it complicates the wording of the entries in the List of Markers. Example: *Figure 1*: Whatsit (exploded view) "Figure 1:" has to be in bold, and "Whatsit (exploded view)" is not bold. I can't do this using a simple Marker. Ideas? Thanks in advance. Doug Bailey ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] List of Figures linking (UnStructured Frame)
I noticed that when a reader clicks a List of Figures entry in the PDF of my document, it jumps to the figure in the body and places the figure's link at the top of the screen. This is fine if I designed the document to have figure links above the figure, but my department's policy is to have the figure links below the figures. This results in the figure itself being off the top the screen when the figure link displays at the top. Does anyone have a suggestion for resolving this? I've made a List of Markers with the markers above the figure, and this works, but the problem with that is it complicates the wording of the entries in the List of Markers. Example: *Figure 1*: Whatsit (exploded view) "Figure 1:" has to be in bold, and "Whatsit (exploded view)" is not bold. I can't do this using a simple Marker. Ideas? Thanks in advance. Doug Bailey ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Need help with List Formats in Structured
I am updating a file to Structured FrameMaker and ran into a problem with the list formats. I have many instances where lists have multiple levels. For example: a. Level 1 1). Level 2 (a) Level 3 I am having difficulties with the lists not resetting. What I want: a. Text 1. Text 2. Text b. Text 1. Text What I am getting: a. Text 1. Text 2. Text b. Text 3. Text I am sure I have something wrong in my EDD, but cannot figure it out. Below is my EDD text format rules for my lists. Let me know if you need more info to help me solve. My structure is set to PARA0 (ListType "Numbered") < Step1 < Para. Above is the format rules for the Para element specifically. Thanks in advance. Nicole -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Format Rules.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 121799 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20180724/dcec212c/attachment.jpe> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] list members not using FrameMaker now
I can't speak to FrameMaker/Robohelp today, as we made this decision a few years ago. But I can say that Flare provides numerous templates that are easy to modify for your corporate look and feel. So you can get up and running very quickly with a great selection of different pre-made output styles. Another key factor in our decision to use Flare was the support, training, and webinars that MadCap provides. There has been a lot of valid complaints here in the forum, that Adobe does not support the technical writing community or its technical writing products. It doesn't make Adobe a bad company, it's just the way it is. But MadCap does support us, and that has made them a much better company to work with in my opinion. Another point I'd make is that if Online Help is your primary output, rather than print or PDF, then working in a topic-based authoring environment like Flare or RoboHelp is critical. Think of it this way, in FrameMaker you are essentially writing a print-based document that you later convert to Online Help. In Flare, you are writing the Online Help directly. It seems like a subtle difference at first but once you realize it and embrace it, it completely changes the way you write topics and organize your documentation. -Original Message- From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:35 PM To: Etzel, Gary ; Framers - frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] list members not using FrameMaker now But Frame supports HTML5, so where is the advantage in Flare as far as that? On 26-Jun-18 7:20 PM, Etzel, Gary wrote: > I'll come out of lurking for a minute to add my name to the list of > recovering Frame addicts. And we were serious FrameMaker junkies, too. We're > the people who wrote the Sourcerer plugin, if that name rings a bell. > Sourcerer evolved directly into all of Russ Ward's great structured > FrameMaker plugins at West Street Consulting, all of which we used for many > years to develop and extremely intricate workflow. But times change. For us, > we saw that HTML5 output was the future of our Online Help needs. When we > compared Frame/RoboHelp to Flare, and Adobe to MadCap, it wasn't even close. > That was several years ago. We're Flare junkies now and couldn't be happier. > > I lurk here to keep tabs on what's going on in the FrameMaker world, but I've > never seen anything that will make me second guess our decision to switch to > Flare. FrameMaker is a great tool and still has a role in the TechComm world. > But I will say again, very respectfully, that times change and we need to > change with them or risk becoming as obsolete as the software products we > love. > > Best regards, > > Gary Etzel > > > > ** > This e-mail and any attachments thereto may contain > confidential information and/or information protected by intellectual > property rights for the exclusive attention of the intended addressees named > above. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately > notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message and its > attachments. Unauthorized use, copying or further full or partial > distribution of this e-mail or its contents is prohibited. > ****** > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ** This e-mail and any attachments thereto may contain confidential information and/or information protected by intellectual property rights for the exclusive attention of the intended addressees named above. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message and its attachments. Unauthorized use, copying or further full or partial distribution of this e-mail or its contents is prohibited. ** ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] list members not using FrameMaker now
And Ferraris and Jeeps both run on petrol. It's what you do with it and how that makes the difference. Once you adapt to the Flare UI, you'll appreciate how carefully thought out the tool is. The designers are always just over the horizon, thinking up cool stuff. Try the download. ... -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:35 PM To: Etzel, Gary ; Framers - frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] list members not using FrameMaker now But Frame supports HTML5, so where is the advantage in Flare as far as that? On 26-Jun-18 7:20 PM, Etzel, Gary wrote: > I'll come out of lurking for a minute to add my name to the list of recovering Frame addicts. And we were serious FrameMaker junkies, too. We're the people who wrote the Sourcerer plugin, if that name rings a bell. Sourcerer evolved directly into all of Russ Ward's great structured FrameMaker plugins at West Street Consulting, all of which we used for many years to develop and extremely intricate workflow. But times change. For us, we saw that HTML5 output was the future of our Online Help needs. When we compared Frame/RoboHelp to Flare, and Adobe to MadCap, it wasn't even close. That was several years ago. We're Flare junkies now and couldn't be happier. > > I lurk here to keep tabs on what's going on in the FrameMaker world, but I've never seen anything that will make me second guess our decision to switch to Flare. FrameMaker is a great tool and still has a role in the TechComm world. But I will say again, very respectfully, that times change and we need to change with them or risk becoming as obsolete as the software products we love. > > Best regards, > > Gary Etzel > > > > ** > This e-mail and any attachments thereto may contain > confidential information and/or information protected by intellectual property rights for the exclusive attention of the intended addressees named above. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message and its attachments. Unauthorized use, copying or further full or partial distribution of this e-mail or its contents is prohibited. > ** > **** ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] list members not using FrameMaker now
But Frame supports HTML5, so where is the advantage in Flare as far as that? On 26-Jun-18 7:20 PM, Etzel, Gary wrote: I'll come out of lurking for a minute to add my name to the list of recovering Frame addicts. And we were serious FrameMaker junkies, too. We're the people who wrote the Sourcerer plugin, if that name rings a bell. Sourcerer evolved directly into all of Russ Ward's great structured FrameMaker plugins at West Street Consulting, all of which we used for many years to develop and extremely intricate workflow. But times change. For us, we saw that HTML5 output was the future of our Online Help needs. When we compared Frame/RoboHelp to Flare, and Adobe to MadCap, it wasn't even close. That was several years ago. We're Flare junkies now and couldn't be happier. I lurk here to keep tabs on what's going on in the FrameMaker world, but I've never seen anything that will make me second guess our decision to switch to Flare. FrameMaker is a great tool and still has a role in the TechComm world. But I will say again, very respectfully, that times change and we need to change with them or risk becoming as obsolete as the software products we love. Best regards, Gary Etzel ** This e-mail and any attachments thereto may contain confidential information and/or information protected by intellectual property rights for the exclusive attention of the intended addressees named above. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message and its attachments. Unauthorized use, copying or further full or partial distribution of this e-mail or its contents is prohibited. ** ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] list members not using FrameMaker now
I'll come out of lurking for a minute to add my name to the list of recovering Frame addicts. And we were serious FrameMaker junkies, too. We're the people who wrote the Sourcerer plugin, if that name rings a bell. Sourcerer evolved directly into all of Russ Ward's great structured FrameMaker plugins at West Street Consulting, all of which we used for many years to develop and extremely intricate workflow. But times change. For us, we saw that HTML5 output was the future of our Online Help needs. When we compared Frame/RoboHelp to Flare, and Adobe to MadCap, it wasn't even close. That was several years ago. We're Flare junkies now and couldn't be happier. I lurk here to keep tabs on what's going on in the FrameMaker world, but I've never seen anything that will make me second guess our decision to switch to Flare. FrameMaker is a great tool and still has a role in the TechComm world. But I will say again, very respectfully, that times change and we need to change with them or risk becoming as obsolete as the software products we love. Best regards, Gary Etzel ** This e-mail and any attachments thereto may contain confidential information and/or information protected by intellectual property rights for the exclusive attention of the intended addressees named above. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message and its attachments. Unauthorized use, copying or further full or partial distribution of this e-mail or its contents is prohibited. ** ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] list members not using FrameMaker now
I wouldn't want to "officially" expand the list beyond FrameMaker, but the nice thing about this list is that you are not going to get your hand slapped for mentioning or asking questions about other products. -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:46 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. ; Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) Subject: Re: [Framers] list members not using FrameMaker now I still use FM, but recently have transitioned some deliverables off FM because I've restructured the documents to be much more streamlined (600 page docs down to 25 pages) Might it be considered, to retain readership, that we evolve this group from "just" FM, to include Flare? -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Monique Semp Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:41 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. ; Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) Subject: [Framers] list members not using FrameMaker now Yep, me too. I'm not using FrameMaker at the moment (and haven't for some time), but not only might I need to use Frame again in the future (and so want to have had an ear out for issues), I learn many things other than specific FrameMaker items from this list's membership! And so I've deliberately kept my subscription. I figure it hurts nobody, and is useful to me. -Monique On 6/26/18 8:33 AM, Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) wrote: Jack, I just have not gotten around to unsubscribing to this list. I probably will on e day, but I have not yet decided to cut the cord completely. -Original Message- From: Framers [1] On Behalf Of Jack DeLand Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:26 AM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' [2] Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing And now I wonder how many closet Flare users are on this list. Jack DeLand o Principal Adam Charles Consulting, LLC 734 972 3026 [3]https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland/ [4]http://www.adamcharlesconsulting.com/ References 1. mailto:framers-bounces+mark.eichelberger=fiserv@lists.frameusers.com 2. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com 3. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland/ 4. http://www.adamcharlesconsulting.com/ ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] list members not using FrameMaker now
I still use FM, but recently have transitioned some deliverables off FM because I've restructured the documents to be much more streamlined (600 page docs down to 25 pages) Might it be considered, to retain readership, that we evolve this group from "just" FM, to include Flare? -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Monique Semp Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:41 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. ; Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) Subject: [Framers] list members not using FrameMaker now Yep, me too. I'm not using FrameMaker at the moment (and haven't for some time), but not only might I need to use Frame again in the future (and so want to have had an ear out for issues), I learn many things other than specific FrameMaker items from this list's membership! And so I've deliberately kept my subscription. I figure it hurts nobody, and is useful to me. -Monique On 6/26/18 8:33 AM, Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) wrote: Jack, I just have not gotten around to unsubscribing to this list. I probably will on e day, but I have not yet decided to cut the cord completely. -Original Message- From: Framers [1] On Behalf Of Jack DeLand Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:26 AM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' [2] Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing And now I wonder how many closet Flare users are on this list. Jack DeLand o Principal Adam Charles Consulting, LLC 734 972 3026 [3]https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland/ [4]http://www.adamcharlesconsulting.com/ References 1. mailto:framers-bounces+mark.eichelberger=fiserv@lists.frameusers.com 2. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com 3. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland/ 4. http://www.adamcharlesconsulting.com/ ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] list members not using FrameMaker now
Yep, me too. I'm not using FrameMaker at the moment (and haven't for some time), but not only might I need to use Frame again in the future (and so want to have had an ear out for issues), I learn many things other than specific FrameMaker items from this list's membership! And so I've deliberately kept my subscription. I figure it hurts nobody, and is useful to me. -Monique On 6/26/18 8:33 AM, Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) wrote: Jack, I just have not gotten around to unsubscribing to this list. I probably will on e day, but I have not yet decided to cut the cord completely. -Original Message- From: Framers [1] On Behalf Of Jack DeLand Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:26 AM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' [2] Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing And now I wonder how many closet Flare users are on this list. Jack DeLand o Principal Adam Charles Consulting, LLC 734 972 3026 [3]https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland/ [4]http://www.adamcharlesconsulting.com/ References 1. mailto:framers-bounces+mark.eichelberger=fiserv@lists.frameusers.com 2. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com 3. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland/ 4. http://www.adamcharlesconsulting.com/ ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] ignore again - list filter test
I've almost got it. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] feature comparison list that includes FM2017?
Hi Craig, You can find the feature comparison list here: https://wwwimages2.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/products/framemaker/framemaker_2017/pdf/FM_2017_VERSION_COMPARISION.pdf This has list of features staring from version 9 up till 2017. Best, Kuldip On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 20:55 Craig Ede wrote: > Is there a feature comparison list for the various FM versions that > includes FM2017? > > > This link ( > https://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2016/01/framemaker-9-to-2015-compare.html > ) only covers up to FM2015. > > > Thanks. > > > Craig Ede > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] feature comparison list that includes FM2017?
Is there a feature comparison list for the various FM versions that includes FM2017? This link ( https://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2016/01/framemaker-9-to-2015-compare.html ) only covers up to FM2015. Thanks. Craig Ede ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] List of ESC sequences
Excellent work Klaus thank you for a really useful reference! I did notice that the DITA Esc sequences as shown on the menus in FM14 were not included. For example Esc AI which seems to be a duplicate of Esc ide. I've not looked at this in great depth but thought you might like to know. Regards Ian -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+ian.proudfoot=itp-x.co...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube Sent: 05 February 2018 17:32 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] List of ESC sequences Dear all >From time to time discussion comes up whether ESC sequences have changed for known functions. To find 'free' ESC sequences for my scripts I have compiled and compared the list of ESC sequences for FM-09, -13 and -14. My conclusion is that everything present in FM-09 is also there (with the same command) in FM-14. This is true at least for the English version of FM. You can see my compilation at http://www.daube.ch/docu/files/FM-ESC-sequences.pdf The comparison is in the table for FM-14 starting on page 23. Hope this helps to remove suspicion. Klaus ~~ Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] List of ESC sequences
Dear all >From time to time discussion comes up whether ESC sequences have changed for >known functions. To find 'free' ESC sequences for my scripts I have compiled and compared the list of ESC sequences for FM-09, -13 and -14. My conclusion is that everything present in FM-09 is also there (with the same command) in FM-14. This is true at least for the English version of FM. You can see my compilation at http://www.daube.ch/docu/files/FM-ESC-sequences.pdf The comparison is in the table for FM-14 starting on page 23. Hope this helps to remove suspicion. Klaus ~~ Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
That's a literal engineering answer. My degrees are in Liberal Arts - very different way of thinking ;- Alison -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Keith Smyth Sent: December 14, 2017 1:12 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. As an engineer turned tech writer, it is not is the glass half full, or half empty. The glass is refillable. Keith L. Smyth President Smyth Consulting --The question is not "What is the meaning of life?" Life is the question. You are the answer. - Technical Documentation Consultant From: "framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com" To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 1:03 PM Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 141, Issue 6 Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Style mapping: Word to FrameMaker 2017 (A Craig) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 12:16:18 -0800 From: "A Craig" To: "'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'" Subject: Re: [Framers] Style mapping: Word to FrameMaker 2017 Message-ID: <000f01d37518$677804a0$36680de0$@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" I *always" go with option 2 as Word always has so much crud in the background. Maybe Frame is good at leaving that behind, but as a glass half empty kind of person, I'm not willing to take the chance. Alison -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer Sent: December 13, 2017 8:14 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Style mapping: Word to FrameMaker 2017 Not that I have come across--unless I'm missing something obvious. While I appreciate the new Word import feature (it has been in InDesign for some time), it works best if one is working with experienced Word users who know how to use styles properly. That is not always the case. The problem is when the Word file comes in with a bunch of unwanted styles (sometimes not even used in the document). Granted, one could import those styles and rename & reformat them or map them to existing styles, but that isn't how I like to work in many cases. A simple solution is for Adobe put back in an option to import as plain text (like the previous import dialog used to have). Option 1: a working "solution" is to open Word and copy the text. In FrameMaker, use the Paste Special menu and choose text. Option 2: save the Word file as text and import. Option 3: go with the flow and map the Word styles to Frame styles, but that works best if all writers use styles consistently. David Creamer IDEAS Training FrameMaker training since 1991 From: Pat Christenson <[1]pat.christen...@morningstar.com> If you're importing a Word document into FrameMaker 2017, is there a way to disable the feature that adds unmapped formats to the FrameMaker paragraph, character, and table catalogs? Thanks. Pat Christenson Senior Technical Writer, Client Education Morningstar, Inc. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ------ Subject: Digest Footer ___ This daily digest is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- End of Framers Digest, Vol 141, Issue 6 *** ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to f
Re: [Framers] An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
As an engineer turned tech writer, it is not is the glass half full, or half empty. The glass is refillable. Keith L. Smyth President Smyth Consulting --The question is not "What is the meaning of life?" Life is the question. You are the answer. - Technical Documentation Consultant From: "framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com" To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 1:03 PM Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 141, Issue 6 Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Style mapping: Word to FrameMaker 2017 (A Craig) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 12:16:18 -0800 From: "A Craig" To: "'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'" Subject: Re: [Framers] Style mapping: Word to FrameMaker 2017 Message-ID: <000f01d37518$677804a0$36680de0$@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I *always" go with option 2 as Word always has so much crud in the background. Maybe Frame is good at leaving that behind, but as a glass half empty kind of person, I'm not willing to take the chance. Alison -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer Sent: December 13, 2017 8:14 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Style mapping: Word to FrameMaker 2017 Not that I have come across--unless I'm missing something obvious. While I appreciate the new Word import feature (it has been in InDesign for some time), it works best if one is working with experienced Word users who know how to use styles properly. That is not always the case. The problem is when the Word file comes in with a bunch of unwanted styles (sometimes not even used in the document). Granted, one could import those styles and rename & reformat them or map them to existing styles, but that isn't how I like to work in many cases. A simple solution is for Adobe put back in an option to import as plain text (like the previous import dialog used to have). Option 1: a working "solution" is to open Word and copy the text. In FrameMaker, use the Paste Special menu and choose text. Option 2: save the Word file as text and import. Option 3: go with the flow and map the Word styles to Frame styles, but that works best if all writers use styles consistently. David Creamer IDEAS Training FrameMaker training since 1991 From: Pat Christenson <[1]pat.christen...@morningstar.com> If you're importing a Word document into FrameMaker 2017, is there a way to disable the feature that adds unmapped formats to the FrameMaker paragraph, character, and table catalogs? Thanks. Pat Christenson Senior Technical Writer, Client Education Morningstar, Inc. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ This daily digest is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- End of Framers Digest, Vol 141, Issue 6 *** ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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Re: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of references
Thank you Yves! -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:41 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of references Hi Rick I knew you 'd have a clever script like PathChanger. ;-) I think my customer can use this. His main problem was actually to collect all the files in a FrameMaker book to send them out for translation. Fm's Package feature didn't work well, so I have already shown him where he can purchase ArchiveES: http://frameautomation.com/category/extendscript/ And now I see that this is also the place where we can find more information on PathChanger: http://frameautomation.com/solving-path-problems-with-pathchanger/ Thank you very much, again, Rick! You rock! ;-) Cheers Yves On 18 July 2017 at 16:19, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Yves, > > My PathChanger script will write out all of the absolute paths in a > book (images, cross-references, book components, etc.) to a csv file > which can be opened in Excel. The purpose of the script is to allow > you to globally changed referenced paths in case files get moved, > images unresolved, etc. > But you could also use it to view the absolute paths. > > Alternatively, a script could be written that could show the absolute > path to a selected image, book component, etc. Let me know what you > envision as the best solution for your problem. Thanks. > > Rick > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > r...@frameexpert.com > 585-366-4017 > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On > Behalf Of Yves Barbion > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:44 AM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of > references > > Hi Framers > > If the path to a referenced file is really long, FrameMaker displays > ..\ in the FrameMaker book or ../ in the List of References, for example: > > ..\..\..\..\..\..\safety.fm in the Fm book > > or > > ../../../../../warning_icon.png > > Is there a way to see the full path instead? > > Thanks > > Yves > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/ framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe > and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of references
Hi Rick I knew you 'd have a clever script like PathChanger. ;-) I think my customer can use this. His main problem was actually to collect all the files in a FrameMaker book to send them out for translation. Fm's Package feature didn't work well, so I have already shown him where he can purchase ArchiveES: http://frameautomation.com/category/extendscript/ And now I see that this is also the place where we can find more information on PathChanger: http://frameautomation.com/solving-path-problems-with-pathchanger/ Thank you very much, again, Rick! You rock! ;-) Cheers Yves On 18 July 2017 at 16:19, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Yves, > > My PathChanger script will write out all of the absolute paths in a book > (images, cross-references, book components, etc.) to a csv file which can > be > opened in Excel. The purpose of the script is to allow you to globally > changed referenced paths in case files get moved, images unresolved, etc. > But you could also use it to view the absolute paths. > > Alternatively, a script could be written that could show the absolute path > to a selected image, book component, etc. Let me know what you envision as > the best solution for your problem. Thanks. > > Rick > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > r...@frameexpert.com > 585-366-4017 > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On > Behalf > Of Yves Barbion > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:44 AM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of > references > > Hi Framers > > If the path to a referenced file is really long, FrameMaker displays ..\ in > the FrameMaker book or ../ in the List of References, for example: > > ..\..\..\..\..\..\safety.fm in the Fm book > > or > > ../../../../../warning_icon.png > > Is there a way to see the full path instead? > > Thanks > > Yves > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of references
Hi Yves, My PathChanger script will write out all of the absolute paths in a book (images, cross-references, book components, etc.) to a csv file which can be opened in Excel. The purpose of the script is to allow you to globally changed referenced paths in case files get moved, images unresolved, etc. But you could also use it to view the absolute paths. Alternatively, a script could be written that could show the absolute path to a selected image, book component, etc. Let me know what you envision as the best solution for your problem. Thanks. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-366-4017 -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:44 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of references Hi Framers If the path to a referenced file is really long, FrameMaker displays ..\ in the FrameMaker book or ../ in the List of References, for example: ..\..\..\..\..\..\safety.fm in the Fm book or ../../../../../warning_icon.png Is there a way to see the full path instead? Thanks Yves ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of references
I had a faint memory that it's possible to name a single Windows drive with multiple drive specifiers. In the thread mentioned earlier, https://forums.adobe.com/thread/767183 I found that Lynne Price mentioned the subst command-line command about a year ago, and suggested a strategy that might work. I didn't see any further postings, so it's unclear if they are viable. On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Craig Ede wrote: > Ahh, I see. One thing you might do is put the referenced files on another > drive (and then relink) which would force the whole path to show. > > > There is a general discussion of this problem at: > > https://forums.adobe.com/thread/767183 > > relative vs. absolute cross-reference paths |Adobe Community< > https://forums.adobe.com/thread/767183> > forums.adobe.com > Jim, FrameMaker always uses relative paths if files are on the same drive. > I have a slight memory that it may switch to absolute paths if the number > of »directory up ... > > Craig > > > From: Framers > on behalf of Yves Barbion > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:19 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > Subject: Re: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of > references > > Yes I know, Craig, but the question I had was whether it is possible to > display the full path. > > On 17 July 2017 at 16:15, Craig Ede wrote: > > > Each ".." indicates one dir up in dir tree. > > > > Craig > > > > > > From: Framers > > > on behalf of Yves Barbion > > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:44 AM > > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of > > references > > > > Hi Framers > > > > If the path to a referenced file is really long, FrameMaker displays ..\ > in > > the FrameMaker book or ../ in the List of References, for example: > > > > ..\..\..\..\..\..\safety.fm in the Fm book > > > > or > > > > ../../../../../warning_icon.png > > > > Is there a way to see the full path instead? > > > > Thanks > > > > Yves > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of references
Ahh, I see. One thing you might do is put the referenced files on another drive (and then relink) which would force the whole path to show. There is a general discussion of this problem at: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/767183 relative vs. absolute cross-reference paths |Adobe Community<https://forums.adobe.com/thread/767183> forums.adobe.com Jim, FrameMaker always uses relative paths if files are on the same drive. I have a slight memory that it may switch to absolute paths if the number of »directory up ... Craig From: Framers on behalf of Yves Barbion Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:19 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of references Yes I know, Craig, but the question I had was whether it is possible to display the full path. On 17 July 2017 at 16:15, Craig Ede wrote: > Each ".." indicates one dir up in dir tree. > > Craig > > > From: Framers > on behalf of Yves Barbion > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:44 AM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of > references > > Hi Framers > > If the path to a referenced file is really long, FrameMaker displays ..\ in > the FrameMaker book or ../ in the List of References, for example: > > ..\..\..\..\..\..\safety.fm in the Fm book > > or > > ../../../../../warning_icon.png > > Is there a way to see the full path instead? > > Thanks > > Yves > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of references
Yes I know, Craig, but the question I had was whether it is possible to display the full path. On 17 July 2017 at 16:15, Craig Ede wrote: > Each ".." indicates one dir up in dir tree. > > Craig > > > From: Framers > on behalf of Yves Barbion > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:44 AM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of > references > > Hi Framers > > If the path to a referenced file is really long, FrameMaker displays ..\ in > the FrameMaker book or ../ in the List of References, for example: > > ..\..\..\..\..\..\safety.fm in the Fm book > > or > > ../../../../../warning_icon.png > > Is there a way to see the full path instead? > > Thanks > > Yves > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > FrameUsers.com | The Adobe FrameMaker Online Reference Site< > http://www.frameusers.com/> > www.frameusers.com > Adobe FrameMaker software is a template-based authoring and publishing > solution for unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA content. There is a > large and loyal ... > > > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > framers - The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists. > frameusers.com/> > www.mail-archive.com > Messages by Thread [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and > small letters tom . beiswenger. Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with > numbers and small ... > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Framers Info Page - lists.frameusers.com Mailing Lists< > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com> > lists.frameusers.com > About the Framers email list. The purpose of this list is to share > information about using Adobe Framemaker. We welcome experienced users, > newcomers, and people ... > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of references
Each ".." indicates one dir up in dir tree. Craig From: Framers on behalf of Yves Barbion Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:44 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of references Hi Framers If the path to a referenced file is really long, FrameMaker displays ..\ in the FrameMaker book or ../ in the List of References, for example: ..\..\..\..\..\..\safety.fm in the Fm book or ../../../../../warning_icon.png Is there a way to see the full path instead? Thanks Yves ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com FrameUsers.com | The Adobe FrameMaker Online Reference Site<http://www.frameusers.com/> www.frameusers.com Adobe FrameMaker software is a template-based authoring and publishing solution for unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA content. There is a large and loyal ... Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ framers - The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/> www.mail-archive.com Messages by Thread [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters tom . beiswenger. Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small ... Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Framers Info Page - lists.frameusers.com Mailing Lists<http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com> lists.frameusers.com About the Framers email list. The purpose of this list is to share information about using Adobe Framemaker. We welcome experienced users, newcomers, and people ... Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Display full path in FrameMaker book or list of references
Hi Framers If the path to a referenced file is really long, FrameMaker displays ..\ in the FrameMaker book or ../ in the List of References, for example: ..\..\..\..\..\..\safety.fm in the Fm book or ../../../../../warning_icon.png Is there a way to see the full path instead? Thanks Yves ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Comprehensive list of fixed bugs/problems wanted
On 20 Mar 2017 at 19:37, Stefan Gentz wrote: > ... and we want to > improve the product, and we want to and we do solve old, long outstanding > bugs and problems. This is true for the support team, true for the > engineering team and true for all other of my colleagues in the Adobe > TechComm team. ... May I just hook on this: a somewhat comprehensive list of fixed bugs would be helpful to honour the effort of the team. And it would be helpful also to those (including me) who monitor encountered bugs/problems in private lists. Without the 'list of solved bugs' I need to test at every new release/update. An excerpt of my private list (those starting with OK- have been resolved): 4066585-Equation-special-spaces 4109561-Runaround-contour 4186610-Group-graphics Char-style-at-end-of-heading FRMAKER-2248-ES-no-SelectAll FRMAKER-2406-DistributeGraphic OK-3097507-Bottom-frame-indication OK-3216032-Jump-back-at-image OK-4048225-Shrinkwrapped-frames-pdf OK-4120367-Table-Footnote-w-Aframe (Unfortuantely?) I have uninstalled the newest version and run the beta-built (after realising that it is the same build als the last beta: 14.0.0.361). Hence I have lost the "Adobe FrameMaker 2017 ReadMe.pdf". But in the past I have noticed that this list is not as comprehensive as expected - probably to display a 'less buggy' product. At one time a got a more complete list from an Adobe developer (during the beta test of FM-13). ~~~ ~~ Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Keyword list as the Index source
Yes, yes, I know...that's not how indexing is done. However, this is an interim document to satisfy an audit requirement while I correctly index a 700 page book. -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John X Posada Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:37 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [Framers] Keyword list as the Index source FM11. Hi, guys...I have a keyword list (Glossary). Can I use that as the source for a book index? - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ** This message originated from the Internet. Its originator may or may not be who they claim to be and the information contained in the message and any attachments may or may not be accurate. ** - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Keyword list as the Index source
No need to convert the table to text. Just make sure that each glossary term is tagged with a unique paragraph format. Yes, it is like any other generated list; you can have it put the page numbers in it. Rick -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 5:00 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Keyword list as the Index source Right now it's a table, but I can easy convert table to text. And it will give all the page numbers for where that term is found? -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:57 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Keyword list as the Index source Are each keyword in a separate FrameMaker paragraph? If so, you can do an alphabetical paragraph list. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-366-4017 -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:37 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [Framers] Keyword list as the Index source FM11. Hi, guys...I have a keyword list (Glossary). Can I use that as the source for a book index? - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ** This message originated from the Internet. Its originator may or may not be who they claim to be and the information contained in the message and any attachments may or may not be accurate. ** - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Keyword list as the Index source
Right now it's a table, but I can easy convert table to text. And it will give all the page numbers for where that term is found? -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:57 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Keyword list as the Index source Are each keyword in a separate FrameMaker paragraph? If so, you can do an alphabetical paragraph list. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-366-4017 -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:37 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [Framers] Keyword list as the Index source FM11. Hi, guys...I have a keyword list (Glossary). Can I use that as the source for a book index? - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ** This message originated from the Internet. Its originator may or may not be who they claim to be and the information contained in the message and any attachments may or may not be accurate. ** - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Keyword list as the Index source
Are each keyword in a separate FrameMaker paragraph? If so, you can do an alphabetical paragraph list. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-366-4017 -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:37 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [Framers] Keyword list as the Index source FM11. Hi, guys...I have a keyword list (Glossary). Can I use that as the source for a book index? - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Keyword list as the Index source
FM11. Hi, guys...I have a keyword list (Glossary). Can I use that as the source for a book index? - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Reminder re default reply-to for list
This is just a reminder that the default reply-to behavior of this list will be changed from reply-to-sender to reply-to-list this coming Sunday, Feb 12. Carol Elkins List Mom ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Whenever I post to this list, I get an interesting fraud detection message.
GMail routes some posters' (most recently John Sgammato, Jeff Coatsworth, and Carole McCormick) mail to spam with the message, "Why is this message in Spam? It has a from address in .com but has failed .com's required tests for authentication." But presumably that's not the problem with your email since it doesn't get routed to spam. On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: > Below, you can see the one line of text message (and a link) that I see > whenever I post to this list ... not sure why(?) > > Are others seeing this too? > > Z > > This is the line below: > > [This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear > to be. Learn about spoofing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing] > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Whenever I post to this list, I get an interesting fraud detection message.
Interesting ... this is the only list that I seem to get it from though. I will ask our e-mail admin people to see if they have any suggestions. Thanks! Z -Original Message- From: FrameUsers Admin [mailto:ca...@frameusers.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 07:02 PM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ; Syed Zaeem Hosain ; FrameUsers Admin ; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Whenever I post to this list, I get an interesting fraud detection message. Syed, the message you are seeing does not originate from the Framers list or the software that runs it (Mailman). Bbased on the link provided, it looks as if this is a Microsoft thing. Big brother is watching! Carol At 07:33 PM 1/26/2017, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: >Below, you can see the one line of text message (and a link) that I see >whenever I post to this list ... not sure why(?) > >Are others seeing this too? > >Z > >This is the line below: > >[This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear >to be. Learn about spoofing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing] ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Whenever I post to this list, I get an interesting fraud detection message.
Syed, the message you are seeing does not originate from the Framers list or the software that runs it (Mailman). Bbased on the link provided, it looks as if this is a Microsoft thing. Big brother is watching! Carol At 07:33 PM 1/26/2017, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: Below, you can see the one line of text message (and a link) that I see whenever I post to this list ... not sure why(?) Are others seeing this too? Z This is the line below: [This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to be. Learn about spoofing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing] ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Whenever I post to this list, I get an interesting fraud detection message.
Below, you can see the one line of text message (and a link) that I see whenever I post to this list ... not sure why(?) Are others seeing this too? Z This is the line below: [This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to be. Learn about spoofing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing] ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] List of references
The generated lists for a book use the first document in a book for the master page and defaults to the Right master page. I'd look there to see if there is no text box defined on that master page. If you are creating the generated list from a single document, look to that docs Right master page. Craig Ede From: Framers on behalf of Barlow, Patrick N Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 2:20 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] List of references We have master pages in our documents with several text boxes. One for the header information, One for the main text flow, and one for the footer information. This works well for our documents. The issue is that when we create a list of references from one of our documents the list is created in the footer text box that only has enough room for one line on a page. This document has 67 imported graphics so the document it produces has 67 pages. Every other document we have does not do this. Every other document creates the list in the main text flow text box and so the document produced would only be one page long. I can fix this by importing the page layouts from another document. I was just wondering if any of you know what is causing this? Pat Patrick N Barlow Technical Publications Technology Group (405) 458-6641 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com FrameUsers.com - The Adobe FrameMaker Online Reference Site<http://www.frameusers.com/> www.frameusers.com Adobe FrameMaker software is a template-based authoring and publishing solution for unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA content. There is a large and loyal ... Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ framers - mail-archive.com<http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/> www.mail-archive.com Messages by Thread [Framers] White space in tables Rick Quatro. Re: [Framers] White space in tables Urszula Witherell; Re: [Framers] White space in tables Rick Quatro Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Framers Info Page - FrameUsers.com<http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com> lists.frameusers.com About the Framers email list. The purpose of this list is to share information about using Adobe Framemaker. We welcome experienced users, newcomers, and people ... Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
