New figure object [was "Re: table and figure captions"]
Fred Ridder wrote: > I think it would be a great idea if we could treat anchored > frames as embedded objects with similar properties to tables. But I do > think it would want to be implemented for anchored frames generically > rather than just for figures since some documents use anchored frames > (or single-cell tables) for things other than illustrations--things like > spreadsheet fragments, code listings, and mathematical proofs. Of course, you wouldn't want the full folderol for an anchored frame with Anchor Position: At Insertion Point that contains a bitmap of, say, a button on a GUI. 8^) > (Although > if you read the article by a former IBM-er that was cited earlier in this > thread you'd learn that we shoudl treat *all* non-text objects as a > single > class rather than distinguishing tables vs. figures vs. equations, etc.) Well, it might make sense for a programmer to do this behind the scenes. But I don't really care how it is implemented, I just want a nice clean interface for inserting figures and some method of creating figure formats in a Figure Designer. It would be extremely annoying to open An All-Purpose Object Designer to configure the type of object you wanted and to create all-purpose object formats. > > But what I completely fail to see is why handling figures in > single-celled > tables is such a "pain to set up". Yeah, it is so fun to (a) insert a single-celled table previously set up as a format, (b) import a graphic file or create an anchored frame into the single para in the cell, and (c) set the anchored frame to At Insertion Point so you can get the spacing even all around, and then (d) adjust the cell borders (or anchored frame border) to coincide of the figure has a ruled box around it. Wouldn't it be great if you could just select a Figure format when you are in the file browser and the external graphic is imported into a figure all ready to fill in the blanks? I just looked up a textbook on printing technologies (for training press operators, platemakers, etc.) and a doctoral dissertation. The figures in those publications follow this model, pretty common in learned publications: ++ || || || | DIAGRAM HERE | || || || ++ **Figure 2.34:** //Components of framistan// // Title for LOF The framistan is a complex device which // Caption contains 12,000 components in about the volume of a matchbox. KEY: 1Discombobulator// Xref to fig label 2Hierogriffin ... 12,000 Pettifogger Credit: NASA (Saturn rocket) How do you like them bananas in a table pretending to be a figure? I prefer to put the figure title above, and the caption below, and I usually do it with: @a figure title para (Keep With Next) @an anchor para with an anchored frame At Insertion Point (allows you to use para properties to control space above/below, indentation), Keep With Previous @a credit para with Keep With Previous @one or more caption paras, all Keep With Previous, inc. any keys to labels in anchored frame This arrangement keeps the figure "object" together. I also use the AutoText plug-in from Silicon Prairie to paste in already set up figure "formats". But, really, why isn't this stuff built in? [NOTE: Adobe lurkers -- aren't the plethora of plug-ins for common tasks telling you what functionality you should be incorporating?] It would be nice if a table/figure title could appear beside a table/figure, perhaps in the sidebar area of a page frame. Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger"
New figure object [was "Re: table and figure captions"]
Deirdre Reagan wrote: > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > Figure captions? > You have had your answer elsewhere on this list. But, seriously, why isn't there a figure object that is similar to a one-celled table, which is a pain to set up. The new figure object would have: @an anchor for the entire object, @similar placement options to a table (top of page, bottom of page, etc.) @be able to *float onto another page without dragging its anchor para after it* (fix tables too) @contain an anchored frame, title, multi-para caption, and figure footnotes (like a table) @a Figure Designer dialogue where you could set various options (no title, title placement, borders and fill rulings and colours, etc.) @the ability to output to MIF in a previous format where the figure components would be separated into separate objects (title para, anchored frame, caption para(s), or into a new MIF format where it was just a single object While we are at it, for both figure and table you should be able to specify the placement of the title and caption/footnotes relative to the body: above, below, left side, right side, alternating left and right sides depending on pagination, etc. I have been proposing this to Frame Technologies and Adobe since c. 1798. We live in hope. Please feel free to forward this to your favourite Adobe contact/forum/blog if you think, this is a good idea Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger"
table and figure captions
Hi Deirdre, I am not sure whether this information will help you out or not Table Captions comes automatically, since in the Table>table Designer>Title Position or the Caption (as we r discussing) on the Basic tab it is set as Above Table/below table. You can set how the Table caption should look through the Paragraph designer. Make a Format TCaption (or any other mane) and in the Numbering tab set T: Table<$Chapmun>. or For the Figure, in numbering tab of paragraph designer F:Figure<$chapnum>. or Regards, Nidhi -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:34 PM To: Frame Users Subject: table and figure captions Hi all! Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not Figure captions? Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as nbansal at q3tech.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/nbansal%40q3tech.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
New figure object [was "Re: table and figure captions"]
> Yeah, it is so fun to (a) insert a single-celled table previously set up > as a format, (b) import a graphic file or create an anchored frame into > the single para in the cell, and (c) set the anchored frame to At > Insertion Point so you can get the spacing even all around, and then (d) > adjust the cell borders (or anchored frame border) to coincide of the > figure has a ruled box around it. > > Wouldn't it be great if you could just select a Figure format when you > are in the file browser and the external graphic is imported into a > figure all ready to fill in the blanks? I like that idea. In the meantime, the inexpensive AutoText plugin is even more capable. You can create sample tables for holding your graphics with accompanying text, captions, callouts, etc. Then you can pluck the whole thing from a menu whenever you need it. For example, AutoText can pop in a table that includes a heading and text placeholder in the left column. On the right are graphic and caption placeholders to illustrate the text. All the appropriate paragraph tags-- heading, body, anchor, caption-- are in place. Even the paragraph tag that holds the anchored frame is predefined. Just click and type or click and insert the graphic. (I actually reprogrammed a function key to import graphics.) My table also contains a separate anchored frame, attached to the caption paragraph, that is set to Outside Column, Side Closer to Page Edge, and is rotated 90?. I use this to display the photographer's name next to the photo's edge. A figure style probably wouldn't have that capability. Mike Wickham
Re: New figure object [was "Re: table and figure captions"]
> Yeah, it is so fun to (a) insert a single-celled table previously set up > as a format, (b) import a graphic file or create an anchored frame into > the single para in the cell, and (c) set the anchored frame to At > Insertion Point so you can get the spacing even all around, and then (d) > adjust the cell borders (or anchored frame border) to coincide of the > figure has a ruled box around it. > > Wouldn't it be great if you could just select a Figure format when you > are in the file browser and the external graphic is imported into a > figure all ready to fill in the blanks? I like that idea. In the meantime, the inexpensive AutoText plugin is even more capable. You can create sample tables for holding your graphics with accompanying text, captions, callouts, etc. Then you can pluck the whole thing from a menu whenever you need it. For example, AutoText can pop in a table that includes a heading and text placeholder in the left column. On the right are graphic and caption placeholders to illustrate the text. All the appropriate paragraph tags-- heading, body, anchor, caption-- are in place. Even the paragraph tag that holds the anchored frame is predefined. Just click and type or click and insert the graphic. (I actually reprogrammed a function key to import graphics.) My table also contains a separate anchored frame, attached to the caption paragraph, that is set to Outside Column, Side Closer to Page Edge, and is rotated 90°. I use this to display the photographer's name next to the photo's edge. A figure style probably wouldn't have that capability. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
New figure object [was "Re: table and figure captions"]
Responding to Deirdre Reagan's original query, Hedley Finger wrote (in small part): > Deirdre Reagan wrote: > > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > > Figure captions? > > You have had your answer elsewhere on this list. But, seriously, why > isn't there a figure object that is similar to a one-celled table, which > is a pain to set up. I was thinking about this very idea after I posted my previous message on this thread. I think it would be a great idea if we could treat anchored frames as embedded objects with similar properties to tables. But I do think it would want to be implemented for anchored frames generically rather than just for figures since some documents use anchored frames (or single-cell tables) for things other than illustrations--things like spreadsheet fragments, code listings, and mathematical proofs. (Although if you read the article by a former IBM-er that was cited earlier in this thread you'd learn that we shoudl treat *all* non-text objects as a single class rather than distinguishing tables vs. figures vs. equations, etc.) But what I completely fail to see is why handling figures in single-celled tables is such a "pain to set up". I've designed and used templates that work both ways and I have to say that I don't have a clear preference. Each has advantages and disadvantages. I do know from experience that the single-cell table approach takes significantly more explaining when training new template users, but it's not hard to set up in the template, and only a little harder for writers to use than the paragraph- based approach. -FR _ It?s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live? Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow
Re: New figure object [was "Re: table and figure captions"]
Fred Ridder wrote: > I think it would be a great idea if we could treat anchored > frames as embedded objects with similar properties to tables. But I do > think it would want to be implemented for anchored frames generically > rather than just for figures since some documents use anchored frames > (or single-cell tables) for things other than illustrations--things like > spreadsheet fragments, code listings, and mathematical proofs. Of course, you wouldn't want the full folderol for an anchored frame with Anchor Position: At Insertion Point that contains a bitmap of, say, a button on a GUI. 8^) > (Although > if you read the article by a former IBM-er that was cited earlier in this > thread you'd learn that we shoudl treat *all* non-text objects as a > single > class rather than distinguishing tables vs. figures vs. equations, etc.) Well, it might make sense for a programmer to do this behind the scenes. But I don't really care how it is implemented, I just want a nice clean interface for inserting figures and some method of creating figure formats in a Figure Designer. It would be extremely annoying to open An All-Purpose Object Designer to configure the type of object you wanted and to create all-purpose object formats. > > But what I completely fail to see is why handling figures in > single-celled > tables is such a "pain to set up". Yeah, it is so fun to (a) insert a single-celled table previously set up as a format, (b) import a graphic file or create an anchored frame into the single para in the cell, and (c) set the anchored frame to At Insertion Point so you can get the spacing even all around, and then (d) adjust the cell borders (or anchored frame border) to coincide of the figure has a ruled box around it. Wouldn't it be great if you could just select a Figure format when you are in the file browser and the external graphic is imported into a figure all ready to fill in the blanks? I just looked up a textbook on printing technologies (for training press operators, platemakers, etc.) and a doctoral dissertation. The figures in those publications follow this model, pretty common in learned publications: ++ || || || | DIAGRAM HERE | || || || ++ **Figure 2.34:** //Components of framistan// // Title for LOF The framistan is a complex device which // Caption contains 12,000 components in about the volume of a matchbox. KEY: 1Discombobulator// Xref to fig label 2Hierogriffin ... 12,000 Pettifogger Credit: NASA (Saturn rocket) How do you like them bananas in a table pretending to be a figure? I prefer to put the figure title above, and the caption below, and I usually do it with: @a figure title para (Keep With Next) @an anchor para with an anchored frame At Insertion Point (allows you to use para properties to control space above/below, indentation), Keep With Previous @a credit para with Keep With Previous @one or more caption paras, all Keep With Previous, inc. any keys to labels in anchored frame This arrangement keeps the figure "object" together. I also use the AutoText plug-in from Silicon Prairie to paste in already set up figure "formats". But, really, why isn't this stuff built in? [NOTE: Adobe lurkers -- aren't the plethora of plug-ins for common tasks telling you what functionality you should be incorporating?] It would be nice if a table/figure title could appear beside a table/figure, perhaps in the sidebar area of a page frame. Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table and figure captions
Hi Deirdre, I am not sure whether this information will help you out or not Table Captions comes automatically, since in the Table>table Designer>Title Position or the Caption (as we r discussing) on the Basic tab it is set as Above Table/below table. You can set how the Table caption should look through the Paragraph designer. Make a Format TCaption (or any other mane) and in the Numbering tab set T: Table<$Chapmun>. or For the Figure, in numbering tab of paragraph designer F:Figure<$chapnum>. or Regards, Nidhi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:34 PM To: Frame Users Subject: table and figure captions Hi all! Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not Figure captions? Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/nbansal%40q3tech.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: New figure object [was "Re: table and figure captions"]
Responding to Deirdre Reagan's original query, Hedley Finger wrote (in small part): > Deirdre Reagan wrote: > > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > > Figure captions? > > You have had your answer elsewhere on this list. But, seriously, why > isn't there a figure object that is similar to a one-celled table, which > is a pain to set up. I was thinking about this very idea after I posted my previous message on this thread. I think it would be a great idea if we could treat anchored frames as embedded objects with similar properties to tables. But I do think it would want to be implemented for anchored frames generically rather than just for figures since some documents use anchored frames (or single-cell tables) for things other than illustrations--things like spreadsheet fragments, code listings, and mathematical proofs. (Although if you read the article by a former IBM-er that was cited earlier in this thread you'd learn that we shoudl treat *all* non-text objects as a single class rather than distinguishing tables vs. figures vs. equations, etc.) But what I completely fail to see is why handling figures in single-celled tables is such a "pain to set up". I've designed and used templates that work both ways and I have to say that I don't have a clear preference. Each has advantages and disadvantages. I do know from experience that the single-cell table approach takes significantly more explaining when training new template users, but it's not hard to set up in the template, and only a little harder for writers to use than the paragraph- based approach. -FR _ It’s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
New figure object [was "Re: table and figure captions"]
Deirdre Reagan wrote: > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > Figure captions? > You have had your answer elsewhere on this list. But, seriously, why isn't there a figure object that is similar to a one-celled table, which is a pain to set up. The new figure object would have: @an anchor for the entire object, @similar placement options to a table (top of page, bottom of page, etc.) @be able to *float onto another page without dragging its anchor para after it* (fix tables too) @contain an anchored frame, title, multi-para caption, and figure footnotes (like a table) @a Figure Designer dialogue where you could set various options (no title, title placement, borders and fill rulings and colours, etc.) @the ability to output to MIF in a previous format where the figure components would be separated into separate objects (title para, anchored frame, caption para(s), or into a new MIF format where it was just a single object While we are at it, for both figure and table you should be able to specify the placement of the title and caption/footnotes relative to the body: above, below, left side, right side, alternating left and right sides depending on pagination, etc. I have been proposing this to Frame Technologies and Adobe since c. 1798. We live in hope. Please feel free to forward this to your favourite Adobe contact/forum/blog if you think, this is a good idea Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
table and figure captions
Perhaps I'm missing something in your requirements, or I'm misunderstanding your description, but another option is to create text frames in anchored frames that contain the graphics, and tag the caption paragraph with an autonumbered format that tracks the figure numbers. Numbering in text frames in anchored frames in the same text flow will track correctly with each other, and other paragraphs that use the same autonumber series (identified by a prefix letter and colon, such as S:) in the same text flow will also track correctly. Extracted figure titles in TOCs will be in the correct order. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
table and figure captions
For figures, you can have a paragraph (style such as Figure style) with the next paragraph style defined as a Figure Caption style. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Shuttleworth, Roger wrote: > Hello Deirdre > > The presence of a table caption is determined by the table format as shown in > the Table Designer. You can set it to "No title" if you wish. > > Figure captions are just paragraphs that you may or may not want to insert. > > If you are using structured FrameMaker, you can have a figure caption > inserted automatically every time you insert a figure. > > Hope this helps. > > Roger > > Roger Shuttleworth > Technical Publications > TVWorks Canada, Inc. > 150 Dufferin Avenue > London, Ontario > N6A 5N6 > Canada > Tel. 519 963-4368 > www.tvworks.com > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan > Sent: June 11, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Frame Users > Subject: table and figure captions > > Hi all! > > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > Figure captions? > > Thanks! > > Deirdre > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as Roger_Shuttleworth at tvworks.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%40tvworks.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as sbw at actcom.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
Re: table and figure captions
Perhaps I'm missing something in your requirements, or I'm misunderstanding your description, but another option is to create text frames in anchored frames that contain the graphics, and tag the caption paragraph with an autonumbered format that tracks the figure numbers. Numbering in text frames in anchored frames in the same text flow will track correctly with each other, and other paragraphs that use the same autonumber series (identified by a prefix letter and colon, such as S:) in the same text flow will also track correctly. Extracted figure titles in TOCs will be in the correct order. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
table and figure captions
On 11 Jun 2008, at 15:46, Peter Gold wrote: > One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles > for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for > generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM > collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs. I remember that little gotcha from years ago, but hasn't it been fixed? Just did a quick test with Mac FrameMaker 7.0 and it works OK. One related gotcha, however, is that if you apply master pages to specific paragraph tags by using the UnstructMasterPageMaps on the reference pages, if those paras are in table cells, the master pages don't get applied. May be that's been fixed in FM 8? Paul
table and figure captions
Thanks for the explanation, but automated figure numbering is not impossible. You could define different Figure objects the same way you now define different Table objects, and have the title turned off for some figure objects and on for others, just as you can with tables. When I migrated to Frame from Ventura many years ago, the lack of automated figure titles bothered me. In Ventura, not only did you have an automated figure title, you could position it top, bottom, left or right. In Frame the "answer" was to use a table. You can make this work, but it sure feels like a workaround. The other practice in Frame, of placing a figure title as a separate paragraph in the text flow and anchoring the figure to it, is a bit of a workaround also. For paper output it removes any hope of controlling page breaks in a predictable fashion. On the other hand, if you move the figure title paragraph to an arbitrary spot to save your printed output from awkward breaks, your online help output suffers. And if you want to repurpose your text, the figure title paragraphs show up in the middle of it. Then you add conditional text markers, I suppose. Frame supports floating figures, and they work pretty well most of the time. But we've moved away from floating figures for various reasons: they require a bit of extra DTP effort to use, they supposedly don't integrate well with online help output, and there's a theory that, for useability, when you mention a figure it has to be right there, not on the next page. (Personally, I don't find that floating figures interfere with the useability of professionally laid out magazines like _American Scientist_. On the contrary, they're very convenient.) And besides, floating figures don't have automated figure numbering, so you have to add a paragraph to the text flow anyway. I for one am not convinced. Did we just give up? Should Frame support automated figure numbers? Fred Ridder wrote: > Deirdre Reagan asked: > >> Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not >> Figure captions? > > Tables are well-defined encapsulated objects, and one of the properties > that is defined is an optional Title object. If you define a table format > to include a Title object, every table that you assign that format to > will have a title frame to contain your title string. But you can also > define a table format that does not have a Title. > > Figures, on the other hand, are not uniquely defined objects. There are > at least three different methods that are commonly used to insert a > figure (an anchored frame in the text flow, an unanchored frame in a > fixed location on a page, or in an anchored frame in a table cell), so > there is no single place where a caption property could be defined to > apply in all cases. > > But a potentially workable solution is to always encapsulate figures in > a single-cell table, since tables *do* have a defined Title object. This > does limit flexibility somewhat regarding horizontal positioning (tables > have their own logic of how and when to span columns and sidehead > areas), but also has a few small additional benefits, like making it > very easy to globally or individually add/remove border rulings around > figures, and providing facilities for encapsulating notes with the figure. > > -FR > _ > It?s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through > Windows Live? Messenger. Learn how. > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jowens at magma.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >
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Thanks everyone for the responses. Jerilynne, thank you especially for the very interesting use of tables for graphics! I will have to try that. ps when I wrote table caption I meant "Table1: This is the table caption" I don't know if I'm using the correct terminology. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Jerilynne Knight wrote: > Hi Deirdre > > Welcome back from class! I don't know the why (other than anchored Frames > don't have that function). And the only way a table automatically creates a > caption is if the "Add Title" option is turned on for a table. > > So, my workaround? > > I create a table format specifically to hold graphics. I know, kinda sounds > like taking a shower with your shoes on. However, since I've used FrameMaker > since 1992, this seems to be the best solution I've found. I use it whether > the format calls for captions or not. > > There is a bit of set up to get it working correctly and, once set up, it > isn't too hard to maintain. Others may have a different approach and this > one was a great tool when I was converting 6500 pages of text from > WordPerfect to Frame AND the client decided midstream to change the > alignment of their graphics from left aligned to centered. I was able to > change the table format and everything was good...in just a few minutes. > > Here is what I do: > > Set up part 1: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphic > I use separate tags for many things, including anchored tables and anchored > graphics because it provides more control when converting to other formats, > such as help. In Frame 7.x, the smallest font size is 2 points, so I use > that to take up as little extra space as possible. Turning off the Fixed > option means the row height will expand and shrink as needed to fit the > graphic you insert. The reason for the "in column" in the tag name is > because some graphics span the width of the sidehead area and some don't. I > actually have another paragraph tag for those that span both areas. > > Create a specific paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphics (mine is > called "AIC Anchored Images In Column") > Set the font size to 2 points > Set the line spacing to 2 points > Turn off the Fixed option > Save the tag with all the changes > > Set up part 2: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored table > > Create a specific paragraph tag to hold the anchored tables (mine is called > "ATC Anchored Tables In Column") > Set the font size to 2 points > Set the line spacing to 2 points > Turn off the Fixed option > Save the tag with all the changes > > Set up part 3: Create a paragraph tag for your Table Caption > > Create a paragraph tag to format your Table Caption (mine is called FC > Figure Caption) > Save all changes > > Set up part 4: Create a table format to hold your graphics > Officially, Frame 7 (I don't know about 8), doesn't store the column widths > or paragraph tags in the Table Designer. However, it does remember > > Insert a blank table with 1 row and 1 column > Apply the anchored graphics tag to the row (note: it will become darned near > unreadable since it is a 2 point font...if you have problems seeing it, you > can temporarily change the font size, then change it back) > Set the Title Position for your caption > Apply the figure caption tag for your figure caption > Highlight the entire table > Open the Table Designer > Name the table format (mine is either Images In Column or Images Full Width, > depending on what I'm using it for) > Save the table format > > Use what you created > Now that the component formats are created, here is what you do when you're > ready to insert a figure/graphic. I always use a blank paragraph tag to > anchor tables and graphics, so that is how these instructions are written. > Tip; If you immediately import the file, you won't have to try to position > your cursor in that tiny little space left by the 2 point paragraph tag. > > Position your cursor where the figure is to be inserted > Add a blank paragraph > Apply the anchored table tag (ATC Anchored Tables In Column in my example) > Select Table > Insert table > Select the table format you created to hold figures (Column or Images Full > Width in my example) > Click Insert > Select File > Import > File > Import your graphic > Adjust dpi and other settings, if appropriate > Resize the graphic, if needed > Press esc m P to shrinkwrap the anchored frame around the graphic > Add the figure title to the title row > > This is my processs...and hopefully it will help you a bit... > > Hugs > Jerilynne > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Deirdre Reagan > wrote: >> >> Hi all! >> >> >
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Thank you Fred for explaining the "why." And thank you to Jerilynne for explaning how to turn tables into graphic capsules! On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: > Deirdre Reagan asked: > >> Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not >> Figure captions? > > Tables are well-defined encapsulated objects, and one of the properties > that is defined is an optional Title object. If you define a table format > to include a Title object, every table that you assign that format to > will have a title frame to contain your title string. But you can also > define a table format that does not have a Title. > > Figures, on the other hand, are not uniquely defined objects. There are > at least three different methods that are commonly used to insert a > figure (an anchored frame in the text flow, an unanchored frame in a > fixed location on a page, or in an anchored frame in a table cell), so > there is no single place where a caption property could be defined to > apply in all cases. > > But a potentially workable solution is to always encapsulate figures in > a single-cell table, since tables *do* have a defined Title object. This > does limit flexibility somewhat regarding horizontal positioning (tables > have their own logic of how and when to span columns and sidehead > areas), but also has a few small additional benefits, like making it > very easy to globally or individually add/remove border rulings around > figures, and providing facilities for encapsulating notes with the figure. > > -FR > > > It's easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through > Windows Live? Messenger. Learn How.
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Jerilynne Knight wrote: > Set up part 1: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphic > I use separate tags for many things, including anchored tables and anchored > graphics because it provides more control when converting to other formats, > such as help. In Frame 7.x, the smallest font size is 2 points, so I use > that to take up as little extra space as possible. ... > Jerilynne, Very thorough instructions! But there's a way to avoid *any* extra space for the container pgf: set its Space Below to a negative number, and set the Table's Space Above to the same negative number. The table will overlap the containing pgf exactly, without even a 2-pt gap. The negative number can be any value as long as its absolute value is larger than the font size of the containing pgf. This method has the second advantage of leaving the containing pgf's pilcrow symbol visible (a 2-pt pilcrow is not). You can set a font colour for the containing pgf as well, to make the pilcrow stand out even more -- very useful when the pgf is empty. Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Lucy: Charlie Brown, life is like a deck chair on a cruise ship. Passengers open up these canvas deck chairs so they can sit in the sun. Some people place their chairs facing the rear of the ship so they can see where they've been. Other people face their chairs forward -- they want to see where they're going. On the cruise ship of life, which way is your deck chair facing? Charlie Brown: "I've never been able to get one unfolded." -- Charles Schulz
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I'd amend this caution with the items in the TOC MAY not be in the expected order: if there are multiple items being extracted from the same page, FM will grab everything applicable from the standard flow first then anything in the tables next. On Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:46, Peter Gold wrote: | One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles | for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for | generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM | collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs. | | HTH | | Regards, | | Peter | __ | Peter Gold | KnowHow ProServices - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com ---
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The issue I see is does the resulting structure still validate? If you have control over the DTD/Schema, you can resolve that problem by modifying the structural definition; if not you will have to do some very fancy translation on export (or import), or leave figures as non-table objects. On the whole, I very much like having figures in tables because of the noted capabilities - automatic captioning, ability to trivially create a ruling box, and placement flexibility except for in-line with other text. On Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:32, Milan Davidovic wrote: | On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Jerilynne Knight | wrote: | | > I create a table format specifically to hold graphics. | | Is this in structured or unstructured Frame? If the latter, can anyone | see a problem with doing it in the former? | | -- | Milan Davidovic | http://altmilan.blogspot.com - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com ---
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Deirdre, I also use the "single-celled table with title" method for inserting graphics with captions, but since you mentioned both figures and tables, I want to add a suggestion to the good advice others have given. Consider using a single numbering system for all graphics. It greatly simplifies things. A reference to "see table 7" doesn't tell you where to look for it. Table 7 might fall before Figure 1, for example. It's unintuitive and confusing. If a cross-reference says to see Table 7 and that table is several chapters away, it becomes very difficult to find. Having all the graphics numbered in a single series makes life easier for the reader. Figure 7 is always after Figure 6 and before Figure 8. Here's a link to a short article about an IBM study that concluded it is best to simply call everything a figure and number it in a single series: http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/nonum.html. Mike Wickham
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Thanks for the explanation, but automated figure numbering is not impossible. You could define different Figure objects the same way you now define different Table objects, and have the title turned off for some figure objects and on for others, just as you can with tables. When I migrated to Frame from Ventura many years ago, the lack of automated figure titles bothered me. In Ventura, not only did you have an automated figure title, you could position it top, bottom, left or right. In Frame the "answer" was to use a table. You can make this work, but it sure feels like a workaround. The other practice in Frame, of placing a figure title as a separate paragraph in the text flow and anchoring the figure to it, is a bit of a workaround also. For paper output it removes any hope of controlling page breaks in a predictable fashion. On the other hand, if you move the figure title paragraph to an arbitrary spot to save your printed output from awkward breaks, your online help output suffers. And if you want to repurpose your text, the figure title paragraphs show up in the middle of it. Then you add conditional text markers, I suppose. Frame supports floating figures, and they work pretty well most of the time. But we've moved away from floating figures for various reasons: they require a bit of extra DTP effort to use, they supposedly don't integrate well with online help output, and there's a theory that, for useability, when you mention a figure it has to be right there, not on the next page. (Personally, I don't find that floating figures interfere with the useability of professionally laid out magazines like _American Scientist_. On the contrary, they're very convenient.) And besides, floating figures don't have automated figure numbering, so you have to add a paragraph to the text flow anyway. I for one am not convinced. Did we just give up? Should Frame support automated figure numbers? Fred Ridder wrote: > Deirdre Reagan asked: > >> Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not >> Figure captions? > > Tables are well-defined encapsulated objects, and one of the properties > that is defined is an optional Title object. If you define a table format > to include a Title object, every table that you assign that format to > will have a title frame to contain your title string. But you can also > define a table format that does not have a Title. > > Figures, on the other hand, are not uniquely defined objects. There are > at least three different methods that are commonly used to insert a > figure (an anchored frame in the text flow, an unanchored frame in a > fixed location on a page, or in an anchored frame in a table cell), so > there is no single place where a caption property could be defined to > apply in all cases. > > But a potentially workable solution is to always encapsulate figures in > a single-cell table, since tables *do* have a defined Title object. This > does limit flexibility somewhat regarding horizontal positioning (tables > have their own logic of how and when to span columns and sidehead > areas), but also has a few small additional benefits, like making it > very easy to globally or individually add/remove border rulings around > figures, and providing facilities for encapsulating notes with the figure. > > -FR > _ > It’s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through > Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how. > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Hi Stuart Thanks for the tip! I use that approach for notes sitting "beside" the note text and had never thought to use it for this purpose. I LOVE this list! Blessings Jerilynne On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Stuart Rogers < srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com> wrote: > Jerilynne Knight wrote: > >> Set up part 1: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphic >> I use separate tags for many things, including anchored tables and >> anchored >> graphics because it provides more control when converting to other >> formats, >> such as help. In Frame 7.x, the smallest font size is 2 points, so I use >> that to take up as little extra space as possible. ... >> >> >
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Thanks for checking, Paul. I don't pull out table titles for TOCs, so I wasn't aware of the fix. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Paul Findon wrote: > On 11 Jun 2008, at 15:46, Peter Gold wrote: > >> One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles >> for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for >> generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM >> collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs. > > I remember that little gotcha from years ago, but hasn't it been > fixed? Just did a quick test with Mac FrameMaker 7.0 and it works OK. > > One related gotcha, however, is that if you apply master pages to > specific paragraph tags by using the UnstructMasterPageMaps on the > reference pages, if those paras are in table cells, the master pages > don't get applied. Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
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Deirdre Reagan asked: > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > Figure captions? Tables are well-defined encapsulated objects, and one of the properties that is defined is an optional Title object. If you define a table format to include a Title object, every table that you assign that format to will have a title frame to contain your title string. But you can also define a table format that does not have a Title. Figures, on the other hand, are not uniquely defined objects. There are at least three different methods that are commonly used to insert a figure (an anchored frame in the text flow, an unanchored frame in a fixed location on a page, or in an anchored frame in a table cell), so there is no single place where a caption property could be defined to apply in all cases. But a potentially workable solution is to always encapsulate figures in a single-cell table, since tables *do* have a defined Title object. This does limit flexibility somewhat regarding horizontal positioning (tables have their own logic of how and when to span columns and sidehead areas), but also has a few small additional benefits, like making it very easy to globally or individually add/remove border rulings around figures, and providing facilities for encapsulating notes with the figure. -FR _ It?s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live? Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Jerilynne Knight wrote: > I create a table format specifically to hold graphics. Is this in structured or unstructured Frame? If the latter, can anyone see a problem with doing it in the former? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com
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Hello Deirdre The presence of a table caption is determined by the table format as shown in the Table Designer. You can set it to "No title" if you wish. Figure captions are just paragraphs that you may or may not want to insert. If you are using structured FrameMaker, you can have a figure caption inserted automatically every time you insert a figure. Hope this helps. Roger Roger Shuttleworth Technical Publications TVWorks Canada, Inc. 150 Dufferin Avenue London, Ontario N6A 5N6 Canada Tel. 519 963-4368 www.tvworks.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: June 11, 2008 10:04 AM To: Frame Users Subject: table and figure captions Hi all! Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not Figure captions? Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Roger_Shuttleworth at tvworks.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%40tvworks.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Hi Deidre, Because Tables and Anchored Frames are two different animals. Here is a solution that many have used over the years: put the figure inside an anchored frame inside of a single-cell table. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > Hi all! > > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > Figure captions? > > Thanks! > > Deirdre > ___
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I place my captions/titles above the image or table so that when the users click a link (to the caption) in the online help or PDFs, the image or table is still on the screen or page. If you link to captions that are below images, users have to scroll up to see the image. It's a minor hassle, but one that is easily avoided. -Lief -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:54 AM To: Shuttleworth, Roger Cc: Frame Users Subject: Re: table and figure captions For figures, you can have a paragraph (style such as Figure style) with the next paragraph style defined as a Figure Caption style. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Shuttleworth, Roger wrote: > Hello Deirdre > > The presence of a table caption is determined by the table format as shown in the Table Designer. You can set it to "No title" if you wish. > > Figure captions are just paragraphs that you may or may not want to insert. > > If you are using structured FrameMaker, you can have a figure caption inserted automatically every time you insert a figure. > > Hope this helps. > > Roger > > Roger Shuttleworth > Technical Publications > TVWorks Canada, Inc. > 150 Dufferin Avenue > London, Ontario > N6A 5N6 > Canada > Tel. 519 963-4368 > www.tvworks.com > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan > Sent: June 11, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Frame Users > Subject: table and figure captions > > Hi all! > > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > Figure captions? > > Thanks! > > Deirdre > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as Roger_Shuttleworth at tvworks.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%4 0tvworks.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as sbw at actcom.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lief at netinst.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This email has been scanned.
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Hi all! Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not Figure captions? Thanks! Deirdre
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One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
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Hi Deidre, Because Tables and Anchored Frames are two different animals. Here is a solution that many have used over the years: put the figure inside an anchored frame inside of a single-cell table. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > Hi all! > > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > Figure captions? > > Thanks! > > Deirdre > ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Hi Deirdre Welcome back from class! I don't know the why (other than anchored Frames don't have that function). And the only way a table automatically creates a caption is if the "Add Title" option is turned on for a table. So, my workaround? I create a table format specifically to hold graphics. I know, kinda sounds like taking a shower with your shoes on. However, since I've used FrameMaker since 1992, this seems to be the best solution I've found. I use it whether the format calls for captions or not. There is a bit of set up to get it working correctly and, once set up, it isn't too hard to maintain. Others may have a different approach and this one was a great tool when I was converting 6500 pages of text from WordPerfect to Frame AND the client decided midstream to change the alignment of their graphics from left aligned to centered. I was able to change the table format and everything was good...in just a few minutes. Here is what I do: Set up part 1: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphic I use separate tags for many things, including anchored tables and anchored graphics because it provides more control when converting to other formats, such as help. In Frame 7.x, the smallest font size is 2 points, so I use that to take up as little extra space as possible. Turning off the Fixed option means the row height will expand and shrink as needed to fit the graphic you insert. The reason for the "in column" in the tag name is because some graphics span the width of the sidehead area and some don't. I actually have another paragraph tag for those that span both areas. 1. Create a specific paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphics (mine is called "AIC Anchored Images In Column") 2. Set the font size to 2 points 3. Set the line spacing to 2 points 4. Turn off the Fixed option 5. Save the tag with all the changes Set up part 2: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored table 1. Create a specific paragraph tag to hold the anchored tables (mine is called "ATC Anchored Tables In Column") 2. Set the font size to 2 points 3. Set the line spacing to 2 points 4. Turn off the Fixed option 5. Save the tag with all the changes Set up part 3: Create a paragraph tag for your Table Caption 1. Create a paragraph tag to format your Table Caption (mine is called FC Figure Caption) 2. Save all changes Set up part 4: Create a table format to hold your graphics Officially, Frame 7 (I don't know about 8), doesn't store the column widths or paragraph tags in the Table Designer. However, it does remember 1. Insert a blank table with 1 row and 1 column 2. Apply the anchored graphics tag to the row (note: it will become darned near unreadable since it is a 2 point font...if you have problems seeing it, you can temporarily change the font size, then change it back) 3. Set the Title Position for your caption 4. Apply the figure caption tag for your figure caption 5. Highlight the entire table 6. Open the Table Designer 7. Name the table format (mine is either Images In Column or Images Full Width, depending on what I'm using it for) 8. Save the table format Use what you created Now that the component formats are created, here is what you do when you're ready to insert a figure/graphic. I always use a blank paragraph tag to anchor tables and graphics, so that is how these instructions are written. Tip; If you immediately import the file, you won't have to try to position your cursor in that tiny little space left by the 2 point paragraph tag. 1. Position your cursor where the figure is to be inserted 2. Add a blank paragraph 3. Apply the anchored table tag (ATC Anchored Tables In Column in my example) 4. Select Table > Insert table 5. Select the table format you created to hold figures (Column or Images Full Width in my example) 6. Click Insert 7. Select File > Import > File 8. Import your graphic 9. Adjust dpi and other settings, if appropriate 10. Resize the graphic, if needed 11. Press esc m P to shrinkwrap the anchored frame around the graphic 12. Add the figure title to the title row This is my processs...and hopefully it will help you a bit... Hugs Jerilynne On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > Hi all! > > >
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Deirdre, I also use the "single-celled table with title" method for inserting graphics with captions, but since you mentioned both figures and tables, I want to add a suggestion to the good advice others have given. Consider using a single numbering system for all graphics. It greatly simplifies things. A reference to "see table 7" doesn't tell you where to look for it. Table 7 might fall before Figure 1, for example. It's unintuitive and confusing. If a cross-reference says to see Table 7 and that table is several chapters away, it becomes very difficult to find. Having all the graphics numbered in a single series makes life easier for the reader. Figure 7 is always after Figure 6 and before Figure 8. Here's a link to a short article about an IBM study that concluded it is best to simply call everything a figure and number it in a single series: http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/nonum.html. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Hi Stuart Thanks for the tip! I use that approach for notes sitting "beside" the note text and had never thought to use it for this purpose. I LOVE this list! Blessings Jerilynne On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Stuart Rogers < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jerilynne Knight wrote: > >> Set up part 1: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphic >> I use separate tags for many things, including anchored tables and >> anchored >> graphics because it provides more control when converting to other >> formats, >> such as help. In Frame 7.x, the smallest font size is 2 points, so I use >> that to take up as little extra space as possible. ... >> >> > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Thanks for checking, Paul. I don't pull out table titles for TOCs, so I wasn't aware of the fix. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Paul Findon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11 Jun 2008, at 15:46, Peter Gold wrote: > >> One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles >> for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for >> generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM >> collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs. > > I remember that little gotcha from years ago, but hasn't it been > fixed? Just did a quick test with Mac FrameMaker 7.0 and it works OK. > > One related gotcha, however, is that if you apply master pages to > specific paragraph tags by using the UnstructMasterPageMaps on the > reference pages, if those paras are in table cells, the master pages > don't get applied. Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Thanks everyone for the responses. Jerilynne, thank you especially for the very interesting use of tables for graphics! I will have to try that. ps when I wrote table caption I meant "Table1: This is the table caption" I don't know if I'm using the correct terminology. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Jerilynne Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Deirdre > > Welcome back from class! I don't know the why (other than anchored Frames > don't have that function). And the only way a table automatically creates a > caption is if the "Add Title" option is turned on for a table. > > So, my workaround? > > I create a table format specifically to hold graphics. I know, kinda sounds > like taking a shower with your shoes on. However, since I've used FrameMaker > since 1992, this seems to be the best solution I've found. I use it whether > the format calls for captions or not. > > There is a bit of set up to get it working correctly and, once set up, it > isn't too hard to maintain. Others may have a different approach and this > one was a great tool when I was converting 6500 pages of text from > WordPerfect to Frame AND the client decided midstream to change the > alignment of their graphics from left aligned to centered. I was able to > change the table format and everything was good...in just a few minutes. > > Here is what I do: > > Set up part 1: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphic > I use separate tags for many things, including anchored tables and anchored > graphics because it provides more control when converting to other formats, > such as help. In Frame 7.x, the smallest font size is 2 points, so I use > that to take up as little extra space as possible. Turning off the Fixed > option means the row height will expand and shrink as needed to fit the > graphic you insert. The reason for the "in column" in the tag name is > because some graphics span the width of the sidehead area and some don't. I > actually have another paragraph tag for those that span both areas. > > Create a specific paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphics (mine is > called "AIC Anchored Images In Column") > Set the font size to 2 points > Set the line spacing to 2 points > Turn off the Fixed option > Save the tag with all the changes > > Set up part 2: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored table > > Create a specific paragraph tag to hold the anchored tables (mine is called > "ATC Anchored Tables In Column") > Set the font size to 2 points > Set the line spacing to 2 points > Turn off the Fixed option > Save the tag with all the changes > > Set up part 3: Create a paragraph tag for your Table Caption > > Create a paragraph tag to format your Table Caption (mine is called FC > Figure Caption) > Save all changes > > Set up part 4: Create a table format to hold your graphics > Officially, Frame 7 (I don't know about 8), doesn't store the column widths > or paragraph tags in the Table Designer. However, it does remember > > Insert a blank table with 1 row and 1 column > Apply the anchored graphics tag to the row (note: it will become darned near > unreadable since it is a 2 point font...if you have problems seeing it, you > can temporarily change the font size, then change it back) > Set the Title Position for your caption > Apply the figure caption tag for your figure caption > Highlight the entire table > Open the Table Designer > Name the table format (mine is either Images In Column or Images Full Width, > depending on what I'm using it for) > Save the table format > > Use what you created > Now that the component formats are created, here is what you do when you're > ready to insert a figure/graphic. I always use a blank paragraph tag to > anchor tables and graphics, so that is how these instructions are written. > Tip; If you immediately import the file, you won't have to try to position > your cursor in that tiny little space left by the 2 point paragraph tag. > > Position your cursor where the figure is to be inserted > Add a blank paragraph > Apply the anchored table tag (ATC Anchored Tables In Column in my example) > Select Table > Insert table > Select the table format you created to hold figures (Column or Images Full > Width in my example) > Click Insert > Select File > Import > File > Import your graphic > Adjust dpi and other settings, if appropriate > Resize the graphic, if needed > Press esc m P to shrinkwrap the anchored frame around the graphic > Add the figure title to the title row > > This is my processs...and hopefully it will help you a bit... > > Hugs > Jerilynne > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Hi all! >> >> > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative ques
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Thank you Fred for explaining the "why." And thank you to Jerilynne for explaning how to turn tables into graphic capsules! On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Fred Ridder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Deirdre Reagan asked: > >> Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not >> Figure captions? > > Tables are well-defined encapsulated objects, and one of the properties > that is defined is an optional Title object. If you define a table format > to include a Title object, every table that you assign that format to > will have a title frame to contain your title string. But you can also > define a table format that does not have a Title. > > Figures, on the other hand, are not uniquely defined objects. There are > at least three different methods that are commonly used to insert a > figure (an anchored frame in the text flow, an unanchored frame in a > fixed location on a page, or in an anchored frame in a table cell), so > there is no single place where a caption property could be defined to > apply in all cases. > > But a potentially workable solution is to always encapsulate figures in > a single-cell table, since tables *do* have a defined Title object. This > does limit flexibility somewhat regarding horizontal positioning (tables > have their own logic of how and when to span columns and sidehead > areas), but also has a few small additional benefits, like making it > very easy to globally or individually add/remove border rulings around > figures, and providing facilities for encapsulating notes with the figure. > > -FR > > > It's easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through > Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn How. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Jerilynne Knight wrote: > Set up part 1: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphic > I use separate tags for many things, including anchored tables and anchored > graphics because it provides more control when converting to other formats, > such as help. In Frame 7.x, the smallest font size is 2 points, so I use > that to take up as little extra space as possible. ... > Jerilynne, Very thorough instructions! But there's a way to avoid *any* extra space for the container pgf: set its Space Below to a negative number, and set the Table's Space Above to the same negative number. The table will overlap the containing pgf exactly, without even a 2-pt gap. The negative number can be any value as long as its absolute value is larger than the font size of the containing pgf. This method has the second advantage of leaving the containing pgf's pilcrow symbol visible (a 2-pt pilcrow is not). You can set a font colour for the containing pgf as well, to make the pilcrow stand out even more -- very useful when the pgf is empty. Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Lucy: Charlie Brown, life is like a deck chair on a cruise ship. Passengers open up these canvas deck chairs so they can sit in the sun. Some people place their chairs facing the rear of the ship so they can see where they've been. Other people face their chairs forward -- they want to see where they're going. On the cruise ship of life, which way is your deck chair facing? Charlie Brown: "I've never been able to get one unfolded." -- Charles Schulz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table and figure captions
I'd amend this caution with the items in the TOC MAY not be in the expected order: if there are multiple items being extracted from the same page, FM will grab everything applicable from the standard flow first then anything in the tables next. On Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:46, Peter Gold wrote: | One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles | for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for | generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM | collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs. | | HTH | | Regards, | | Peter | __ | Peter Gold | KnowHow ProServices - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: table and figure captions
On 11 Jun 2008, at 15:46, Peter Gold wrote: > One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles > for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for > generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM > collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs. I remember that little gotcha from years ago, but hasn't it been fixed? Just did a quick test with Mac FrameMaker 7.0 and it works OK. One related gotcha, however, is that if you apply master pages to specific paragraph tags by using the UnstructMasterPageMaps on the reference pages, if those paras are in table cells, the master pages don't get applied. May be that's been fixed in FM 8? Paul ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table and figure captions
> -Original Message- > I place my captions/titles above the image or table so that when the > users click a link (to the caption) in the online help or PDFs, the > image or table is still on the screen or page. If you link to captions > that are below images, users have to scroll up to see the image. It's a > minor hassle, but one that is easily avoided. Yes! I often do the same for this reason too. Some of my older documents are the other way (on the bottom), so when I get a chance and time to do the changes, I update them this way. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
table and figure captions
> -Original Message- > I place my captions/titles above the image or table so that when the > users click a link (to the caption) in the online help or PDFs, the > image or table is still on the screen or page. If you link to captions > that are below images, users have to scroll up to see the image. It's a > minor hassle, but one that is easily avoided. Yes! I often do the same for this reason too. Some of my older documents are the other way (on the bottom), so when I get a chance and time to do the changes, I update them this way. Z
RE: table and figure captions
I place my captions/titles above the image or table so that when the users click a link (to the caption) in the online help or PDFs, the image or table is still on the screen or page. If you link to captions that are below images, users have to scroll up to see the image. It's a minor hassle, but one that is easily avoided. -Lief -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:54 AM To: Shuttleworth, Roger Cc: Frame Users Subject: Re: table and figure captions For figures, you can have a paragraph (style such as Figure style) with the next paragraph style defined as a Figure Caption style. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Shuttleworth, Roger wrote: > Hello Deirdre > > The presence of a table caption is determined by the table format as shown in the Table Designer. You can set it to "No title" if you wish. > > Figure captions are just paragraphs that you may or may not want to insert. > > If you are using structured FrameMaker, you can have a figure caption inserted automatically every time you insert a figure. > > Hope this helps. > > Roger > > Roger Shuttleworth > Technical Publications > TVWorks Canada, Inc. > 150 Dufferin Avenue > London, Ontario > N6A 5N6 > Canada > Tel. 519 963-4368 > www.tvworks.com > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan > Sent: June 11, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Frame Users > Subject: table and figure captions > > Hi all! > > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > Figure captions? > > Thanks! > > Deirdre > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%4 0tvworks.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This email has been scanned. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table and figure captions
The issue I see is does the resulting structure still validate? If you have control over the DTD/Schema, you can resolve that problem by modifying the structural definition; if not you will have to do some very fancy translation on export (or import), or leave figures as non-table objects. On the whole, I very much like having figures in tables because of the noted capabilities - automatic captioning, ability to trivially create a ruling box, and placement flexibility except for in-line with other text. On Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:32, Milan Davidovic wrote: | On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Jerilynne Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | wrote: | | > I create a table format specifically to hold graphics. | | Is this in structured or unstructured Frame? If the latter, can anyone | see a problem with doing it in the former? | | -- | Milan Davidovic | http://altmilan.blogspot.com - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: table and figure captions
For figures, you can have a paragraph (style such as Figure style) with the next paragraph style defined as a Figure Caption style. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Shuttleworth, Roger wrote: > Hello Deirdre > > The presence of a table caption is determined by the table format as shown in > the Table Designer. You can set it to "No title" if you wish. > > Figure captions are just paragraphs that you may or may not want to insert. > > If you are using structured FrameMaker, you can have a figure caption > inserted automatically every time you insert a figure. > > Hope this helps. > > Roger > > Roger Shuttleworth > Technical Publications > TVWorks Canada, Inc. > 150 Dufferin Avenue > London, Ontario > N6A 5N6 > Canada > Tel. 519 963-4368 > www.tvworks.com > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan > Sent: June 11, 2008 10:04 AM > To: Frame Users > Subject: table and figure captions > > Hi all! > > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > Figure captions? > > Thanks! > > Deirdre > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%40tvworks.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: table and figure captions
One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table and figure captions
Deirdre Reagan asked: > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > Figure captions? Tables are well-defined encapsulated objects, and one of the properties that is defined is an optional Title object. If you define a table format to include a Title object, every table that you assign that format to will have a title frame to contain your title string. But you can also define a table format that does not have a Title. Figures, on the other hand, are not uniquely defined objects. There are at least three different methods that are commonly used to insert a figure (an anchored frame in the text flow, an unanchored frame in a fixed location on a page, or in an anchored frame in a table cell), so there is no single place where a caption property could be defined to apply in all cases. But a potentially workable solution is to always encapsulate figures in a single-cell table, since tables *do* have a defined Title object. This does limit flexibility somewhat regarding horizontal positioning (tables have their own logic of how and when to span columns and sidehead areas), but also has a few small additional benefits, like making it very easy to globally or individually add/remove border rulings around figures, and providing facilities for encapsulating notes with the figure. -FR _ It’s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: table and figure captions
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Jerilynne Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I create a table format specifically to hold graphics. Is this in structured or unstructured Frame? If the latter, can anyone see a problem with doing it in the former? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table and figure captions
Hello Deirdre The presence of a table caption is determined by the table format as shown in the Table Designer. You can set it to "No title" if you wish. Figure captions are just paragraphs that you may or may not want to insert. If you are using structured FrameMaker, you can have a figure caption inserted automatically every time you insert a figure. Hope this helps. Roger Roger Shuttleworth Technical Publications TVWorks Canada, Inc. 150 Dufferin Avenue London, Ontario N6A 5N6 Canada Tel. 519 963-4368 www.tvworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: June 11, 2008 10:04 AM To: Frame Users Subject: table and figure captions Hi all! Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not Figure captions? Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%40tvworks.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: table and figure captions
Hi Deirdre Welcome back from class! I don't know the why (other than anchored Frames don't have that function). And the only way a table automatically creates a caption is if the "Add Title" option is turned on for a table. So, my workaround? I create a table format specifically to hold graphics. I know, kinda sounds like taking a shower with your shoes on. However, since I've used FrameMaker since 1992, this seems to be the best solution I've found. I use it whether the format calls for captions or not. There is a bit of set up to get it working correctly and, once set up, it isn't too hard to maintain. Others may have a different approach and this one was a great tool when I was converting 6500 pages of text from WordPerfect to Frame AND the client decided midstream to change the alignment of their graphics from left aligned to centered. I was able to change the table format and everything was good...in just a few minutes. Here is what I do: Set up part 1: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphic I use separate tags for many things, including anchored tables and anchored graphics because it provides more control when converting to other formats, such as help. In Frame 7.x, the smallest font size is 2 points, so I use that to take up as little extra space as possible. Turning off the Fixed option means the row height will expand and shrink as needed to fit the graphic you insert. The reason for the "in column" in the tag name is because some graphics span the width of the sidehead area and some don't. I actually have another paragraph tag for those that span both areas. 1. Create a specific paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphics (mine is called "AIC Anchored Images In Column") 2. Set the font size to 2 points 3. Set the line spacing to 2 points 4. Turn off the Fixed option 5. Save the tag with all the changes Set up part 2: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored table 1. Create a specific paragraph tag to hold the anchored tables (mine is called "ATC Anchored Tables In Column") 2. Set the font size to 2 points 3. Set the line spacing to 2 points 4. Turn off the Fixed option 5. Save the tag with all the changes Set up part 3: Create a paragraph tag for your Table Caption 1. Create a paragraph tag to format your Table Caption (mine is called FC Figure Caption) 2. Save all changes Set up part 4: Create a table format to hold your graphics Officially, Frame 7 (I don't know about 8), doesn't store the column widths or paragraph tags in the Table Designer. However, it does remember 1. Insert a blank table with 1 row and 1 column 2. Apply the anchored graphics tag to the row (note: it will become darned near unreadable since it is a 2 point font...if you have problems seeing it, you can temporarily change the font size, then change it back) 3. Set the Title Position for your caption 4. Apply the figure caption tag for your figure caption 5. Highlight the entire table 6. Open the Table Designer 7. Name the table format (mine is either Images In Column or Images Full Width, depending on what I'm using it for) 8. Save the table format Use what you created Now that the component formats are created, here is what you do when you're ready to insert a figure/graphic. I always use a blank paragraph tag to anchor tables and graphics, so that is how these instructions are written. Tip; If you immediately import the file, you won't have to try to position your cursor in that tiny little space left by the 2 point paragraph tag. 1. Position your cursor where the figure is to be inserted 2. Add a blank paragraph 3. Apply the anchored table tag (ATC Anchored Tables In Column in my example) 4. Select Table > Insert table 5. Select the table format you created to hold figures (Column or Images Full Width in my example) 6. Click Insert 7. Select File > Import > File 8. Import your graphic 9. Adjust dpi and other settings, if appropriate 10. Resize the graphic, if needed 11. Press esc m P to shrinkwrap the anchored frame around the graphic 12. Add the figure title to the title row This is my processs...and hopefully it will help you a bit... Hugs Jerilynne On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all! > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
table and figure captions
Hi all! Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not Figure captions? Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
