Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs in Trac

2009-06-20 Thread Eric Steele
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:09 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: ... I wrote a big reply to Matt, and ditched it. +100 to everything you said. :) I'd suggest that: a) We now formally ask PLIP authors to write to the plone-dev list (not this list!) announcing their PLIPs and

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: update on supporting Python 2.6 / Zope 2.12 / CMF 2.2

2009-06-20 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Martin Aspelioptilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: - c20188, c20190, c23197 — removal of PloneFolder (hannosch) — need to  double check whether this requires a migration for any persistent  objects, and write that if necessary +0 to remove. There's no persistent

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] June 23, 2009 Framework Team Meeting

2009-06-20 Thread Eric Steele
FWT! We have a conference call scheduled for Tuesday, June 23 at 2PM EST (1800 UTC). The Foundation Board has given me the go-ahead to try out some different international conference calling solutions in an attempt to avoid the Skype debacle that was our last meeting. I've set up a

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP deadline overly aggressive?

2009-06-20 Thread Ross Patterson
Joel Burton j...@joelburton.com writes: I don't know what the discussion was like in deciding on this date. It may still be the right decision to have it end now. I'm just suggesting that, if it seems that quite a few people may think that this is a slightly-too-soon date, that you may

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP deadline overly aggressive?

2009-06-20 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joel Burton wrote: Hello, Framework Team! I, myself, don't have any questions or issues about the PLIP deadline for 4.0. I'm not planning on submitting any PLIPs. Over the past two weeks, though, while chatting in IRC with various framework

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP deadline overly aggressive?

2009-06-20 Thread Matthew Wilkes
On 20 Jun 2009, at 19:38, Tres Seaver wrote: Isn't 4.0 deliberately a short-hop release, with minimal new feautres, mostly intended to move the platform forward (to modern versions of Zope, Python, CMF)? Keeping the window short emphasizes that fact, at least to my outsider's eyes. Hmm,

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP deadline overly aggressive?

2009-06-20 Thread Ross Patterson
Matthew Wilkes matt...@matthewwilkes.co.uk writes: On 20 Jun 2009, at 19:38, Tres Seaver wrote: Isn't 4.0 deliberately a short-hop release, with minimal new feautres, mostly intended to move the platform forward (to modern versions of Zope, Python, CMF)? Keeping the window short emphasizes

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP deadline overly aggressive?

2009-06-20 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Tres Seavertsea...@palladion.com wrote: Isn't 4.0 deliberately a short-hop release, with minimal new feautres, mostly intended to move the platform forward (to modern versions of Zope, Python, CMF)?  Keeping the window short emphasizes that fact, at least to my

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP deadline overly aggressive?

2009-06-20 Thread Laurence Rowe
Hanno Schlichting wrote: Personally I'd be in favor of extending the scope of Plone 4.0 to some degree and making a clear commitment to allow quite a number of the suggested features to be done in the scope of Plone 4.1, 4.2, ... releases. Much of the work that makes up Plone trunk (5.0?) today

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP deadline overly aggressive?

2009-06-20 Thread Matthew Wilkes
On 20 Jun 2009, at 20:54, Laurence Rowe wrote: So if your PLIP isn't ready now, don't worry. There'll be another chance to get it in with 4.1 With the usual caveat that 4.x releases are as ambitious as 3.x releases. The reason we need a 4.0 release is so we can put the things Laurence

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP deadline overly aggressive?

2009-06-20 Thread Laurence Rowe
Matthew Wilkes wrote: On 20 Jun 2009, at 20:54, Laurence Rowe wrote: So if your PLIP isn't ready now, don't worry. There'll be another chance to get it in with 4.1 With the usual caveat that 4.x releases are as ambitious as 3.x releases. The reason we need a 4.0 release is so we can put

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs in Trac

2009-06-20 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Jun 20, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Eric Steele wrote: I already have a calendar started. I'll work on getting that filled out, published, and publicized ASAP. actually, PLIP #246 was meant to introduce the possibility to set up the plone calendar using plone.org itself: keeping all relevant

Re: [Framework-Team] update on supporting Python 2.6 / Zope 2.12 / CMF 2.2

2009-06-20 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:47 AM, David Glickdavidgl...@onenw.org wrote: - The current situation with regard to PlacelessTranslationService needs to be reviewed to make sure that our language negotiator and product i18n dirs are still getting registered properly following simplification/removal

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs in Trac

2009-06-20 Thread Jon Stahl
Eric Steele wrote: I have little to add to what Hanno and Martin have stated so well here. To me, what shortcomings the Trac-based approach may have are trivial enough for me to largely overlook and can be covered through some further integration work by the plone.org team and/or better

[Framework-Team] Re: update on supporting Python 2.6 / Zope 2.12 / CMF 2.2

2009-06-20 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi Hanno, rant Well, I really hate having default content around, that I have to delete all the time and people use in tests that later on break if we change it. The initial content just won't make sense for many sites and people waste huge amount of times to try to get the initial content to