Re: [Frameworks] Moon movies?
Alex MacKenzie's 3 x S8 performance nightsky http://alexmackenzie.ca/nightsky.html On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:57:15 -0400, Michael Betancourt wrote: Since it's the 45 anniversay of the Apollo 11 Moon landing, I'm in the mood for Moon movies. Here's mine: http://www.cinegraphic.net/article.php?story=2014071907094117 Any more to suggest? Michael Betancourt Savannah, GA USA michaelbetancourt.com twitter.com/cinegraphic | vimeo.com/cinegraphic www.cinegraphic.net | the avant-garde film video blog - ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] digitize shrunk 16mm magnetic sound/cordbänder
I have 3x 16mm magnetic soundtracks that have been in horrible shape, I found a lady at Österreichisches Phongrammarchiv who applied softener and now they are not breaking into pieces anymore. I tried to digitize them but they have shrunk too much for the usual system with sprockets. Is there anybody colose to Vienna, Austria who has a system that uses no sprockets and who would let me use it for a few hours? Shrinkage: 1,3 + 2,54 + 3,6 I'd be super happy :-) Ich habe 3x 16mm Cordbänder die mir original schon in der Hand zerfallen sind, im Österreichischen Phonogrammarchiv wurden sie mit Weichmacher behandelt und jetzt würde ich sie gerne digitalisieren. Leider sind sie zu sehr geschrumpft als das ich sie einfach bei mir abspielen könnte. Hat jemand in der Nähe von Wien, Österreich ein Abspielgerät ohne Zähnchen, das ich für ein paar Stunden, im Idealfall unentgeltlich, benützen könnte? Schrumpfung: 1,3 + 2,54 + 3,6 x Nadine ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] digitize shrunk 16mm magnetic sound/cordbänder
I am curious what the mysterious softener that they are using is, as this has been discussed briefly at conferences but no real details have been provided. I believe there is a fellow in Los Angeles who has a 1/2 tape machine that has had the guides cut out for 16mm film which may be able to play it back. Also it may be possible to play it back on some of the sprocketless telecine machines; I believe the Marconi machines had mag heads on them. So, after processing what is the film like? It is shrunken, you say, but does it still curl? How much has the film width changed? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] BASEMENT Media Fest in Boston Tomorrow, 7.22, 7PM
Hey Frameworks, A small program of experimental shorts by the name of BASEMENT Media Festival is screening in Boston, MA tomorrow night. The event will be at Mobius http://mobius.org/events/experimental-video-works and is co-presented by Balagan http://balaganfilms.com/. The program is about an hour long, and you can find some program notes here: http://mobius.org/events/experimental-video-works and a trailer here: https://vimeo.com/96107107 (NB - the dates in the trailer are a little out-dated) BASEMENT is an annual traveling screening event, showcasing contemporary lo-fidelity experimental cinema. We'll be opening our call for entries soon, and for more information about submitting and the festival in general, check out http://basementmediafest.com Stay Strong, -LJ -- LJFREZZA.COM http://ljfrezza.com / 904.762.8300 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] for the attention of Pip Fw: confirm 70086967a605c4719582fec5528d6ab215b6c694
Last time I somehow got signed off the listserv after receiving many of these messages... what is the cause ? Any help would be great. Jaime On Monday, 21 July 2014, 5:45, frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com wrote: Your membership in the mailing list FrameWorks has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 20-Jul-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/confirm/frameworks/70086967a605c4719582fec5528d6ab215b6c694 You can also visit your membership page at https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/options/frameworks/ethnomite%40yahoo.co.uk On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a reminder, your membership password is kuerpoid If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner at frameworks-ow...@jonasmekasfilms.com___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] [Labos] digitize shrunk 16mm magnetic sound/cordbänder
They are working on a film softener too (if anybody is interested in sending (Vinegar) Films that can be used to test, they are happy to take them, I can give you the contact details). She wouldn't tell me what the softener is, as they want to get a patent, but I can tell you that the simple plastic box that I stored the films in also got soft and changed shape ;-) My mag tracks had vinegar syndrom and one of them fell into tiny flakes before the treatment. I was unable to take them off the spools without having loads of pieces in my hands, one of them was also curling heavily. After the treatment they are soft again I've rewound them and the really bad parts at the start were still curly and likely to split, but far far, far less than before (I believe that the film already had tiny scratches). I was offered a second treatment, but I want to check if I can already run the films through a machine, concerning the softness of the material, it should be possible now. Maybe the curly parts will straighten too, now that I've changed the winding, so far I haven't had time to double check them. The treatment does not revert shrinkage, it only makes the film soft again. My films are 50-60 years old. Shrinkage (before and after I'd assume): 1,3 + 2,54 + 3,6 x Nadine Gesendet: Montag, 21. Juli 2014 um 15:46 Uhr Von: Scott Dorsey klu...@panix.com An: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com, fo...@filmlabs.org Betreff: Re: [Labos] [Frameworks] digitize shrunk 16mm magnetic sound/cordbänder I am curious what the mysterious softener that they are using is, as this has been discussed briefly at conferences but no real details have been provided. I believe there is a fellow in Los Angeles who has a 1/2 tape machine that has had the guides cut out for 16mm film which may be able to play it back. Also it may be possible to play it back on some of the sprocketless telecine machines; I believe the Marconi machines had mag heads on them. So, after processing what is the film like? It is shrunken, you say, but does it still curl? How much has the film width changed? --scott ___ Forum mailing list fo...@filmlabs.org https://listes.domainepublic.net/listinfo/forum ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film
Let's just say $7000 USD to make two prints, adding up the above costs and having someone cut your neg... In the face of this, Roger’s suggestion to project originals doesn’t sound too crazy. It obviously wouldn’t be a practice suitable for all kinds of work but might be interesting to infuse experimental cinema, separate from moving image performance, with a sense of immediacy, improvisation and impermanence via this practice. It’s a different topic but it would be also interesting to discuss artists who have projected originals in a cinema setting (Jack Smith, Nathaniel Dorsky and Jerome Hiler, Fred Camper’s SN, Luther Price), their varying motivations and the longevity—or lack thereof—of this work. Herb Shellenberger Programs Office Manager [cid:image001.jpg@01CE5258.78B1F010] 3701 CHESTNUT STREET | PHILADELPHIA, PA 19104 phone: 215.895.6575 | fax: 215.895.6562 email: he...@ihphilly.orgmailto:he...@ihphilly.org | web: www.ihousephilly.orghttp://www.ihousephilly.org/ From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of 40 Frames Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 6:44 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:08 PM, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.camailto:jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote: Alain, while I'm primarily interested in experimental or artists films, I'd open up to mainstream films too. I'm more broadly interested in the state of 16mm film as an exhibition format and not necessarily experimental. If Spielberg decided to distribute his latest on 16mm, then that would count. I guess I'm biased in my thinking that a 16mm print nowadays is an indulgence for the creator and few mainstream filmmakers are going to convince their distributor to pick up the bill for the print. 70 minutes x 36ft/min = 2520 feet Optical Track .60/ft x 2520 = $1512 + shipping Answer Print 1.00/ft x 2520 = $2520 + shipping Release Print .70/ft x 2520 = $1764 + shipping Subtotal $5796 Cut your own neg, or add the cost of that as well ($5 per cut). Let say 100 cuts for a nice round number multiplied by an A roll and B roll... $1000 + shipping. Neg cutting will get more expensive as black leader is becoming more expensive. One can A roll, and/or cut their own neg to save cost, but there's still going to be a cost to cutting neg given the supplies needed to cut neg. Let's just say $7000 USD to make two prints, adding up the above costs and having someone cut your neg... A common art theater rental rate in the US is $250 or a certain percentage of the door whichever is greater. Let's assume $250 is better than the percentage. Book 30 screenings and you've made $7500, covering your lab cost for making prints. That's assuming you didn't travel to any of these screenings... and assuming each theater agreed to pay the $250 rental + shipping (both ways)! The film coops and artist-run labs can bring some of these costs down... indeed it might be the only way one can consider going this route, but then you have the issue of 16mm projection That surf film sounds pretty interesting. A throwback to the days of Warren Miller touring his films. The ski/surf/skate genre is in away similar to experimental film. Its a niche audience of practitioners and the films are plot-less compositions of beautiful visuals. I met a guy (this was probably 20 years ago) who was shooting backcountry snowboard films on a Bolex in the British Columbia backcountry. His footage was very nice, though I've always had a difficult time with this style of making, as it's usually is a bunch of shots cut to music. I'd prefer an ambient/location track of some kind, even a non-sync constructed one. I always found these films (ski/snowboard/surf/skate) to be more akin to music videos than experimental films. But still, there are certainly some crossover/similarities, so I would agree with your comment above. I know it was shot on 16mm, but is Jodie Mack's Dusty Stacks of Mom available on 16mm? Thats about 40 minutes. Pam asked the same question, perhaps Jodie can answer as I don't know. Best, Alain -- 40 FRAMES Alain LeTourneau Pam Minty 40 FRAMES 5232 North Williams Avenue Portland, Oregon 97217 USA +1 503 231 6548 www.40frames.orghttp://www.40frames.org www.16mmdirectory.orghttp://www.16mmdirectory.org www.emptyquarterfilm.orghttp://www.emptyquarterfilm.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] for the attention of Pip Fw: confirm 70086967a605c4719582fec5528d6ab215b6c694
This happens to me on a regular basis. I just respond to the email as instructed and it seems to fix it. Still, it is an irritation and I'm curious about what is actually occurring with the bounces. Tim Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:42 AM, jaime cleeland ethnom...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Last time I somehow got signed off the listserv after receiving many of these messages... what is the cause ? Any help would be great. Jaime On Monday, 21 July 2014, 5:45, frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com wrote: Your membership in the mailing list FrameWorks has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 20-Jul-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/confirm/frameworks/70086967a605c4719582fec5528d6ab215b6c694 You can also visit your membership page at https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/options/frameworks/ethnomite%40yahoo.co.uk On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a reminder, your membership password is kuerpoid If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner at frameworks-ow...@jonasmekasfilms.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] digitize shrunk 16mm magnetic sound/cordbänder
I have no direct experience with this particular gear from MWA-Nova, but their L.S.D. retrofit for the MB51 audio digitizer was designed for your purpose. Perhaps you can contact MWA to find an installation near you: http://www.mwa-nova.com/products/sound_solutions/lsd.html -Good luck! --Sincerely, ---Buck Bito - Movette Movette Film Transfer 1407 Valencia St. San Francisco, CA 94110 415-558-8815 Open Tuesday - Saturday Tue+Thu: 8-6, Wed+Fri: 9-6, Sat: 10-4 www.movettefilm.com On Mon, July 21, 2014 1:46 am, Mag.art. Nadine Taschler wrote: I have 3x 16mm magnetic soundtracks that have been in horrible shape, I found a lady at Ãsterreichisches Phongrammarchiv who applied softener and now they are not breaking into pieces anymore. I tried to digitize them but they have shrunk too much for the usual system with sprockets. Is there anybody colose to Vienna, Austria who has a system that uses no sprockets and who would let me use it for a few hours? Shrinkage: 1,3 + 2,54 + 3,6 I'd be super happy :-) Ich habe 3x 16mm Cordbänder die mir original schon in der Hand zerfallen sind, im Ãsterreichischen Phonogrammarchiv wurden sie mit Weichmacher behandelt und jetzt würde ich sie gerne digitalisieren. Leider sind sie zu sehr geschrumpft als das ich sie einfach bei mir abspielen könnte. Hat jemand in der Nähe von Wien, Ãsterreich ein Abspielgerät ohne Zähnchen, das ich für ein paar Stunden, im Idealfall unentgeltlich, benützen könnte? Schrumpfung: 1,3 + 2,54 + 3,6 x Nadine ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film
Great to hear of your progress, Amanda! Please say hi next time they invite you back to Toronto! Nicholas On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Amanda Christie ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca wrote: speaking of 16mm films having longer life than 35mm i had been hoping to finish my latest project, Spectres of Shortwave, on 35mm... it's a 2 hour long landscape film of radio towers... but given that i knew it would be at least 2 years in the filming process (as they were tearing down the radio towers and i couldn't rush them, and i wanted all 4 seasons)... and it was right when a lot of labs were closing their 35mm labs and theatres were getting rid of projectors... even though i didn't care about commercial theatres, i was still worried that if i pursued a 35mm finish, that by the time i was ready to finish, that 35mm sound options would have dissappeared, and i would be screwed over by the sound aspect, and have to scan it all and finish digitally anyway... on a tight budget i couldn't afford risking the expense of workprint AND a scan if 35mm sound went bust, so i decided to scan everything 2k and finish to DCP... le sigh I'm at that stage right now... logging and editing... dealing with proxies, codecs, etc. etc while my 35mm intercine sites alone, unused and bereft. i will get this one done... somehow... but i swear... dammit! that my next one will be finished on a print... i bought a 35mm camera while making this one (with everything that was happening so fast in 2011 and 2012 in the industry, and with a project that would involve 2 years of filming... it was cheaper for me to buy than rent, and cameras were going dirt cheap) so i own an arri 35mm bl 4... and my next film will finish to film... and it will be projected... well... wherever there is a 35mm projector. (this is the voice of one frustrated with codecs and proxies) 16mm too... i want some more of that. xoadc On 2014-07-18, at 4:17 PM, John Woods wrote: Thanks for the many replies! I'm primarily interested in films produced in the 2010s. 45+ minutes in length, with an actual 16mm print struck. With the end of 35mm distribution in the past year, I've been wondering about how much longer 16mm prints will stick around. James Benning complained about the poor state of 16mm projection when he finished his last 16mm feature, RR, in 2007 and switched to video. With the abundance of compact projectors, it looks like 16mm prints will have a slightly longer life than 35mm, at least as an artist's medium. There is still a surprising amount of shorts being produced, but a 16mm feature seems like quite a passion project and its looking like Differently, Molussia is the most recent feature. John ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] earth and moon in love
Michael, For a singing moon (voice by counter-tenor Randall Wong) check out my Earth and Moon in Love https://vimeo.com/49524148 password: planetary David Finkelstein da...@lakeivan.org www.lakeivan.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Today/Tomorrow/Twedensday // Philly/Brooklyn/Columbus
Friends— Apologies for the late go, but. *JESSE MALMED — UNTITLED (JUST KIDDING)* recent experimental works for the screen Tonight at BIG MAMA'S CINEMATHEQUE https://www.facebook.com/events/301163936726602 at 9 PM (1310 N 5th, Phila) Tuesday at SPECTACLE THEATER http://www.spectacletheater.com/jesse-malmeds-untitled-just-kidding/ at 8 pm (124 S. 3rd, Brooklyn) Wednesday at SKYLAB GALLERY http://www.skylabgallery.org/ at showtime (check shortly) (57 E. Gay St, 5th Floor, Columbus) *And, Trunk Show will be attending, for those interested in purchasing Stephanie Barber's recent piece (only a few days old) or stickers by Deborah Stratman, Lauren Anderson and other excellent artists. * More info: Chicago artist and curator Jesse Malmed presents Untitled (Just Kidding), a collection of recent experimental videos. While unexpecting the expected, viewers can look forward to bodyswaps, closed captioning seeking sentiences, cloud covers, singtalk, the sitcom set and séance nonfictions. By turns comedic and poetic, Jesse's work practices sustainable sourcing, utilizing a wide-range of materials from his own camera, vigorous and elliptical research practices and the ever-growing archives of the arcane, avant and popular. Depending on parking, Trunk Show, the car/gallery he co-directs/drives will be on hand to show off its newly-affixed exhibition by Stephanie Barber. Jesse Malmed is a Chicago-based artist and curator working in video, performance, text, occasional objects and their gaps and overlaps. He has performed, screened and exhibited at museums, microcinemas, film festivals, galleries, bars and barns. In addition to his creative work, Jesse programs at the Nightingale Cinema, co-directs the mobile exhibition space Trunk Show and has programmed work in a wide variety of contexts individually, as a member of Cinema Project and as the peripatetic Deep Leap Microcinema. A native of Santa Fe, Jesse earned his BA at Bard College and his MFA at the University of Illinois at Chicago. He was recently named a 2014 Breakout Artist by Newcity. -- *// // // J E S S E M A L M E D * 505.690.7899 // jesse.mal...@gmail.com // www.jessemalmed.net // deep leap http://www.deepleap.net // nightingale http://nightingalecinema.org/ // trunk show http://trunk--show.com // projective verse http://urbanhonking.com/projectiveverse/ // bad at sports http://badatsports.com/tags/jesse-malmed/ // ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] for the attention of Pip Fw: confirm 70086967a605c4719582fec5528d6ab215b6c694
Hi! Maybe you need to check your spam settings, this happened to me several times and the problem was that I accidentally checked @GMAIL as spam. So then if someone writes to Frameworks with this domain address, frameworks will get a lot of bounces... hope it will work cheers Angélica --- Angélica Cuevas Portilla 4, rue Mathis 75019 Paris France +33-6-64 24 09 10 @MexParismental [4] https://www.facebook.com/MexParismental [5] http://mex-parismental.blogspot.com [6] *** -Festival des Cinémas Différents de Paris http://www.cjcinema.org On 2014-07-21 17:49, Tim Halloran wrote: This happens to me on a regular basis. I just respond to the email as instructed and it seems to fix it. Still, it is an irritation and I'm curious about what is actually occurring with the bounces. Tim Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:42 AM, jaime cleeland ethnom...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Last time I somehow got signed off the listserv after receiving many of these messages... what is the cause ? Any help would be great. Jaime On Monday, 21 July 2014, 5:45, frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com wrote: Your membership in the mailing list FrameWorks has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 20-Jul-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/confirm/frameworks/70086967a605c4719582fec5528d6ab215b6c694 [1] You can also visit your membership page at https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/options/frameworks/ethnomite%40yahoo.co.uk [2] On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a reminder, your membership password is kuerpoid If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner at frameworks-ow...@jonasmekasfilms.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks [3] ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks [3] ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks [3] Links: -- [1] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/confirm/frameworks/70086967a605c4719582fec5528d6ab215b6c694 [2] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/options/frameworks/ethnomite%40yahoo.co.uk [3] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks [4] https://twitter.com/MexParismental [5] https://www.facebook.com/MexParismental [6] http://mex-parismental.blogspot.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] The Hand-Processing Chemistry Scheme.
Frameworkers, Hello hello from New Hampshire! I'm putting together a short-term darkroom set-up and wanted to make use of your hive mind to double-check my somewhat creaky hand-processing techniques, with particular regard to B/W reversal and negative chemistry. I'm planning (along with a few other humans) to process around 3,000' (1,500' of which would be reversal) of Hi-Con and Orwo UN54 and need some chemistry recommendations. Could you recommend a mix of materials for this quantity? I'm talking D-19, Rapid Fixer, Hypo, Wetting Agent, Bleach... It seems like the main options are Photographer's Formulary, which is fine by me, but I'm unclear as to how much chemistry I need for what will effectively be 30 rolls. Any thoughts? Thanks! BR ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
