Re: [Frameworks] drugged
While not directly druggie, early German Expressionistic films, particularily Metropolis, have some of the earliest subjective portrayals of mind-altered states using flashy over-the-top visual signifiers. Oliver Stone's The Doors has some interesting transitions that sequence to/from hallucinogenic moments, and Asiel Norton's film Redland has a very interestingly crafted hallucination scene. Light is Waiting and other films by Michael Robinson. And don't we have to mention Pink Floyd's The Wall and the original Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory? -matt On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Eric Theise ericthe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- --- www.rodeofilmco.com --- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Peyote Queen. Excellent suggestion. Now, again, this more druggy than trippy, but I'll defer to you so I'll throw it out anyways. Shirley Clarke's The Connection. Elizabeth From: Andy Ditzler a...@andyditzler.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged Hi Eric, Try: John Hawkins, LSD Wall (1965) clay animation of a trip (with a dedication to his dealer!) Storm De Hirsch, Peyote Queen (1965) Eric Emerson's monologue sequence in reel 9 of Warhol's The Chelsea Girls is a tour de force, and reportedly was performed under the influence of LSD (though I don't know that he ever confirmed this). It certainly seems that way. Ben van Meter's beautiful film S.F. Trips Festival. Robert Cowan's Rockflow (1967) isn't representational of a trip, but does have trippy movement and imagery - it's a delight. There are clips floating around of a film called Syd Barrett's First Trip. Andy Ditzler On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Eric Theise ericthe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Jan Kounen's _Renegade_ (based on Moebius' Blueberry comics) has the most effective coming on moment I've seen anywhere. -- Jim Flannery mailto:j...@newgrangemedia.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Back in the late 60s/ early 70s most TV cop shows included a trip sequence. The trend culminated with The French Connection 2 infamous heroin room. Most of those trips were more funny than scary Some TV series were a trip like Land of the Giants and Puff N Stuff (Which we 5th graders used to call Puffing stuff back in 72). Nixon TV press conferences were also quite trippy. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Ken Russell's Altered States: William Hurt tripping in the desert with natives. Seth On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Francisco Torres wrote: Back in the late 60s/ early 70s most TV cop shows included a trip sequence. The trend culminated with The French Connection 2 infamous heroin room. Most of those trips were more funny than scary Some TV series were a trip like Land of the Giants and Puff N Stuff (Which we 5th graders used to call Puffing stuff back in 72). Nixon TV press conferences were also quite trippy. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Check out Ben Russell's series Trypps. On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Eric Theise ericthe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Certainly there are the bits with the high on speed/acid/booze Hells Angels and others (hanging about on stage, before the murder,) from the Maysles film Gimme Shelter and though not a psychedelic drug film, there are few films that are druggier than Requiem for a Dream and I guess Drugstore Cowboy might be considered in that way too. Oh, and then of course there is the more recent A Scanner Darkly. Puff N Stuff has been mentioned so I'll include my reference to the Mr. Show episode that puts the Sid and Marty Croft man in a suit Saturday morning kids shows into a proper context, i.e., Lidsville, Sigmond and the Sea Monster, etcsupper druggy and funny. If your looking for more transgressive depictions of drug/underground culture then look into the films of Richard Kern and the other Transgressive filmmakers, Right Side of My Brain and others from his canon might help. others: Rivers Edge - weed/booze/speed/narcotics Quadrophenia - speed/booze/weed Dogstar Man certainly looks druggy What We Do is Secret - Germs/Darby Crash biopic heroin/speed/weed/booze Sid and Nancy - you name it Martin - vampirism as drug addiction - George Romero Addiction (also vampirism as drug addiction) , Bad Lieutenant - Abel Ferrara Loads of goofy getting it ridiculously wrong drug stuff in the old cop show Adam-12. Thats a pretty disparate group I've listed but hope it helps in some way. Joe V. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Watter, Seth seth_wat...@brown.eduwrote: Ken Russell's Altered States: William Hurt tripping in the desert with natives. Seth On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Francisco Torres wrote: Back in the late 60s/ early 70s most TV cop shows included a trip sequence. The trend culminated with The French Connection 2 infamous heroin room. Most of those trips were more funny than scary Some TV series were a trip like Land of the Giants and Puff N Stuff (Which we 5th graders used to call Puffing stuff back in 72). Nixon TV press conferences were also quite trippy. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Don't forget to look at things like Cheech and Chong flicks, and other comedies in this vein, Dazed and Confused, (loosely) Donny Darko, etc. ok I'm done. JV On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:32 PM, J Vent jvent.subscripti...@gmail.comwrote: Certainly there are the bits with the high on speed/acid/booze Hells Angels and others (hanging about on stage, before the murder,) from the Maysles film Gimme Shelter and though not a psychedelic drug film, there are few films that are druggier than Requiem for a Dream and I guess Drugstore Cowboy might be considered in that way too. Oh, and then of course there is the more recent A Scanner Darkly. Puff N Stuff has been mentioned so I'll include my reference to the Mr. Show episode that puts the Sid and Marty Croft man in a suit Saturday morning kids shows into a proper context, i.e., Lidsville, Sigmond and the Sea Monster, etcsupper druggy and funny. If your looking for more transgressive depictions of drug/underground culture then look into the films of Richard Kern and the other Transgressive filmmakers, Right Side of My Brain and others from his canon might help. others: Rivers Edge - weed/booze/speed/narcotics Quadrophenia - speed/booze/weed Dogstar Man certainly looks druggy What We Do is Secret - Germs/Darby Crash biopic heroin/speed/weed/booze Sid and Nancy - you name it Martin - vampirism as drug addiction - George Romero Addiction (also vampirism as drug addiction) , Bad Lieutenant - Abel Ferrara Loads of goofy getting it ridiculously wrong drug stuff in the old cop show Adam-12. Thats a pretty disparate group I've listed but hope it helps in some way. Joe V. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Watter, Seth seth_wat...@brown.eduwrote: Ken Russell's Altered States: William Hurt tripping in the desert with natives. Seth On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Francisco Torres wrote: Back in the late 60s/ early 70s most TV cop shows included a trip sequence. The trend culminated with The French Connection 2 infamous heroin room. Most of those trips were more funny than scary Some TV series were a trip like Land of the Giants and Puff N Stuff (Which we 5th graders used to call Puffing stuff back in 72). Nixon TV press conferences were also quite trippy. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
I think there is an important distinction between trippy and drugged. Drugstore Cowboy and Sid and Nancy I'd call drugged but not trippy. At 12:40 PM -0800 2/10/13, J Vent wrote: Don't forget to look at things like Cheech and Chong flicks, and other comedies in this vein, Dazed and Confused, (loosely) Donny Darko, etc. ok I'm done. JV On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:32 PM, J Vent mailto:jvent.subscripti...@gmail.comjvent.subscripti...@gmail.com wrote: Certainly there are the bits with the high on speed/acid/booze Hells Angels and others (hanging about on stage, before the murder,) from the Maysles film Gimme Shelter and though not a psychedelic drug film, there are few films that are druggier than Requiem for a Dream and I guess Drugstore Cowboy might be considered in that way too. Oh, and then of course there is the more recent A Scanner Darkly. Puff N Stuff has been mentioned so I'll include my reference to the Mr. Show episode that puts the Sid and Marty Croft man in a suit Saturday morning kids shows into a proper context, i.e., Lidsville, Sigmond and the Sea Monster, etcsupper druggy and funny. If your looking for more transgressive depictions of drug/underground culture then look into the films of Richard Kern and the other Transgressive filmmakers, Right Side of My Brain and others from his canon might help. others: Rivers Edge - weed/booze/speed/narcotics Quadrophenia - speed/booze/weed Dogstar Man certainly looks druggy What We Do is Secret - Germs/Darby Crash biopic heroin/speed/weed/booze Sid and Nancy - you name it Martin - vampirism as drug addiction - George Romero Addiction (also vampirism as drug addiction) , Bad Lieutenant - Abel Ferrara Loads of goofy getting it ridiculously wrong drug stuff in the old cop show Adam-12. Thats a pretty disparate group I've listed but hope it helps in some way. Joe V. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Watter, Seth mailto:seth_wat...@brown.eduseth_wat...@brown.edu wrote: Ken Russell's Altered States: William Hurt tripping in the desert with natives. Seth On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Francisco Torres wrote: Back in the late 60s/ early 70s most TV cop shows included a trip sequence. The trend culminated with The French Connection 2 infamous heroin room. Most of those trips were more funny than scary Some TV series were a trip like Land of the Giants and Puff N Stuff (Which we 5th graders used to call Puffing stuff back in 72). Nixon TV press conferences were also quite trippy. ___ FrameWorks mailing list mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworkshttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- -- Emile If you can walk, you can surely DANCE My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Hi Eric, Try: John Hawkins, LSD Wall (1965) clay animation of a trip (with a dedication to his dealer!) Storm De Hirsch, Peyote Queen (1965) Eric Emerson's monologue sequence in reel 9 of Warhol's The Chelsea Girls is a tour de force, and reportedly was performed under the influence of LSD (though I don't know that he ever confirmed this). It certainly seems that way. Ben van Meter's beautiful film S.F. Trips Festival. Robert Cowan's Rockflow (1967) isn't representational of a trip, but does have trippy movement and imagery - it's a delight. There are clips floating around of a film called Syd Barrett's First Trip. Andy Ditzler On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Eric Theise ericthe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
LSD by Jordan Belson. Currently being preserved. parts of Yellow Submarine? Cindy Keefer Center for Visual Music www.centerforvisualmusic.org cvmaccess at gmail dot com From: Eric Theise ericthe...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] drugged Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
We can't go back Home Again by Nick Ray. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Eric Theise ericthe...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:40 PM Subject: [Frameworks] drugged Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
The first 10ish minutes (or potentially the whole movie depending on your point of view) of Enter the Void by Gaspar Noe should be a pretty obvious choice. Royce On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Matt Helme dcinema2...@yahoo.com wrote: We can't go back Home Again by Nick Ray. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 *From:* Eric Theise ericthe...@gmail.com *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com *Sent:* Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:40 PM *Subject:* [Frameworks] drugged Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Royce Marcus 919-616-5425 roycemarcusfi...@gmail.com https://twitter.com/RoyceMarcusFilm http://www.behance.net/RoyceMarcusFilms (password for video is preview without quotations) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Chappaqua (Conrad Rooks) and Head (Rafelson). Dennis On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Matt Helme dcinema2...@yahoo.com wrote: We can't go back Home Again by Nick Ray. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 *From:* Eric Theise ericthe...@gmail.com *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com *Sent:* Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:40 PM *Subject:* [Frameworks] drugged Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com Visit our new websites! www.shirleyclarkefilms.com, www.comebackafrica.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com http://www.killerofsheep.com/ Support Milestone Film on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426 and Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms! See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivistshttp://www.amianet.org/ and like them on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717 AMIA 2013 Conference, Richmond, Virginia, November 5-9!http://www.amianet.org/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
In high school health class we were shown a film called The Weird World Of LSD which seemed kind of incoherent to me at the time. Among other things, I think it explains how LSD can turn you into a chicken. As I recall the general response of the audience is that everybody wanted to know where they could get some of this LSD stuff. Probably available in some 16mm educational film archive somewhere and well worth it for the amusement value. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Check with Skip Elsheimer of AV Geeks. - Tom -Original Message- From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Eric Theise Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 2:41 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: [Frameworks] drugged Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
I'd also suggest consulting the catalog of the National Library of Medicine. They have archivally rich resources in moving images. Also, there's the New York Academy of Medicine's library, it too having awesome holdings. Elizabeth McMahon From: Tom Whiteside tom.whites...@duke.edu To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged Check with Skip Elsheimer of AV Geeks. - Tom -Original Message- From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Eric Theise Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 2:41 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: [Frameworks] drugged Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
LSD: Insight or Insanity has some great stuff when it's not a parade of guys in white coats telling you about the latest (60s) research. On Feb 9, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: In high school health class we were shown a film called The Weird World Of LSD which seemed kind of incoherent to me at the time. Among other things, I think it explains how LSD can turn you into a chicken. As I recall the general response of the audience is that everybody wanted to know where they could get some of this LSD stuff. Probably available in some 16mm educational film archive somewhere and well worth it for the amusement value. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Zabriskie Point I'm sure Antonioni was partaking at the time. The Red Shoes is from the 40's and has no overtly drug related content, but it is one of the most psychedelic films I've ever seen. At 11:40 AM -0800 2/9/13, Eric Theise wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- -- Emile If you can walk, you can surely DANCE My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Well, if you're going to reference Red Shoes you have to proffer the requisite Fantasia. Ultimate druggie film. But Tom wants industrials. But this is fun anyways. I'd love to see this thread just suggest any druggie film. Head was a most excellent suggestion. Elizabeth From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) em...@foryourhead.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged Zabriskie Point I'm sure Antonioni was partaking at the time. The Red Shoes is from the 40's and has no overtly drug related content, but it is one of the most psychedelic films I've ever seen. At 11:40 AM -0800 2/9/13, Eric Theise wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- -- Emile If you can walk, you can surely DANCE My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Easy Rider, the New Orleans cemetery sequence any number of late 60s-early 70s grindhouse films with drug taking followed by subjective camera sequences More (1969, d. Barbet Schroeder) Any number of 60s-70s rock concert films with sequences of highly subjective camera to capture the moment --in the same vein, there's a lot of video art of the same era that involves playing with the switcher (Nam June Paik, etc.) and using electronic music. Also: live light shows in clubs and concerts of the era. One of the better examples would be Jud Yalkut's SF Trips Festival (or some name like that: basically a very subjective documentation of a rock concert with a light show. Chuck Kleinhans ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Lord Love a Duck was another film where the makers and players just had to be incredibly altered. The film does allude to drug use, to make this recommendation salient. Elizabeth From: elizabeth mcmahon elizmcma...@yahoo.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged Well, if you're going to reference Red Shoes you have to proffer the requisite Fantasia. Ultimate druggie film. But Tom wants industrials. But this is fun anyways. I'd love to see this thread just suggest any druggie film. Head was a most excellent suggestion. Elizabeth From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) em...@foryourhead.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged Zabriskie Point I'm sure Antonioni was partaking at the time. The Red Shoes is from the 40's and has no overtly drug related content, but it is one of the most psychedelic films I've ever seen. At 11:40 AM -0800 2/9/13, Eric Theise wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- -- Emile If you can walk, you can surely DANCE My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Fantasia was more overtly druggy -- what got me about Red Shoes was how trippy it was without any overt references. Easy Rider is certainly a good example. Self-promotion All the videos at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld except for the tribute to my wife are definitely intended as trippy. At 1:42 PM -0800 2/9/13, elizabeth mcmahon wrote: Well, if you're going to reference Red Shoes you have to proffer the requisite Fantasia. Ultimate druggie film. But Tom wants industrials. But this is fun anyways. I'd love to see this thread just suggest any druggie film. Head was a most excellent suggestion. Elizabeth From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) em...@foryourhead.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged Zabriskie Point I'm sure Antonioni was partaking at the time. The Red Shoes is from the 40's and has no overtly drug related content, but it is one of the most psychedelic films I've ever seen. At 11:40 AM -0800 2/9/13, Eric Theise wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworkshttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- -- Emile If you can walk, you can surely DANCE My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeldhttp://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld ___ FrameWorks mailing list mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworkshttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- -- Emile If you can walk, you can surely DANCE My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Has anyone suggested ³The Trip² (1967) by Roger Corman with Peter Fonda, Dennis Hopper and Bruce Dern? Lawrence On 2/9/13 6:25 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) em...@foryourhead.com wrote: At 3:07 PM -0500 2/9/13, Dennis Doros wrote: Chappaqua (Conrad Rooks) and Head (Rafelson). Steppenwolf Dennis On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Matt Helme mailto:dcinema2...@yahoo.comdcinema2...@yahoo.com wrote: We can't go back Home Again by Nick Ray. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007http://www.youtube.com/user/matthel me007 From: Eric Theise mailto:ericthe...@gmail.comericthe...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.comframeworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:40 PM Subject: [Frameworks] drugged Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworkshttps://mailman-mai l5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworkshttps://mailman-mai l5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: mailto:milefi...@gmail.commilefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! http://www.milestonefilms.com/www.milestonefilms.com Visit our new websites! http://www.shirleyclarkefilms.com/www.shirleyclarkefilms.com, http://www.comebackafrica.com/www.comebackafrica.com http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com/www.ontheboweryfilm.com http://www.killerofsheep.com/ Support Milestone Film on http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426Facebook and https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilmsTwitter! See the website: http://www.amianet.org/Association of Moving Image Archivists and like them on http://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/8685455 9717Facebook http://www.amianet.org/AMIA 2013 Conference, Richmond, Virginia, November 5-9! ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
I'd suggest checking out Jack Stevenson's book Addicted: The Myth and Menace of Drugs in Film. ~RN On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Lawrence Brose lawrencebr...@gmail.comwrote: Has anyone suggested “The Trip” (1967) by Roger Corman with Peter Fonda, Dennis Hopper and Bruce Dern? Lawrence On 2/9/13 6:25 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) em...@foryourhead.com wrote: At 3:07 PM -0500 2/9/13, Dennis Doros wrote: Chappaqua (Conrad Rooks) and Head (Rafelson). Steppenwolf Dennis On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Matt Helme mailto:dcinema2...@yahoo.com dcinema2...@yahoo.com dcinema2...@yahoo.com wrote: We can't go back Home Again by Nick Ray. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthel me007 From: Eric Theise mailto:ericthe...@gmail.com ericthe...@gmail.com ericthe...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.comframeworks@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:40 PM Subject: [Frameworks] drugged Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks https://mailman-mai l5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks https://mailman-mai l5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: mailto:milefi...@gmail.com milefi...@gmail.com milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! http://www.milestonefilms.com/http://www.milestonefilms.com/ www.milestonefilms.com Visit our new websites! http://www.shirleyclarkefilms.com/http://www.shirleyclarkefilms.com/ www.shirleyclarkefilms.com, http://www.comebackafrica.com/ http://www.comebackafrica.com/ www.comebackafrica.com http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com/ http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com/ www.ontheboweryfilm.com http://www.killerofsheep.com/ http://www.killerofsheep.com/ Support Milestone Film on http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426Facebook and https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilmsTwitter! See the website: http://www.amianet.org/ http://www.amianet.org/Association of Moving Image Archivists and like them on http://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/8685455 9717Facebook http://www.amianet.org/ http://www.amianet.org/AMIA 2013 Conference, Richmond, Virginia, November 5-9! ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
Thinking about the trope of the trip in the manner lets say Amos Vogel's Cinema 16 might hypothetically have considered this theme: I would suggest Tex Avery's King Size Canary (1947) in which an elixir called Jumbo-Gro allows for a mouse, a cat and a canary to move past each other in successive surrealistic expansions. Juxtaposing this cartoon with the 1977 Eames Office's- Powers of Ten: A Film Dealing with the Relative Size of Things in the Universe and The Effect Of Adding Another Zero... followed by the micro miniaturization in Fantastic Voyage (1966) described as the original psychedelic inner space adventure might create the requisite loosening of strictures in the brain and concomitant mind manifesting tendencies. Bob Clampett's black and white Porky in Wackyland and the color remake by Friz Freleng called Dough For The Do-Do (1949) work for me. So does Chuck Jones's Duck Amuck (1953). I'd even want to open the door to Duchamp's - Anemic Cinema (1926). Tony Conrad's The Flicker (1966) Jud Yalkut's - Kusama Self-Obliteration (1968) Barbara Rubin's Christmas On Earth (1963) are all obvious classics in the genre. Importantly pioneer animator Emile Cohl's inventory of inebriation The Hasher's Delirium (1910) should be considered. Scott Nyerges's - Autumnal (2008) is hardcore, hallucinogenically speaking. It is almost sacrilegious to mention Brakhage's The Dante Quartet in this context but it never stops working on me in its hallucinatory majesty ! Once you see it you're never going to be the same. Finally nobody has worked me harder in throwing down the psychotropic gauntlet more than Ken Jacobs in his legendary Nervous System Performances of yore. Truest to the phenomena-like Did you just see what I saw? nature of the drug experience, this performative enterprise, since retired , was something you had to be there to believe. Fundamentally my consciousness was altered many times over between the time I walked in the door to one of these shows and when I went out. I've never seen anything like it. And never expect to again. -DB On Feb 9, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Eric Theise wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
