Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-04-27 Thread Matt Giuca
> Hi, > I would like to respond to Tim about this: > *It's hard enough to find CyanogenMod users at a LUG!* > Er, that was Russell. Are you taking revenge upon Tim for earlier misattributing Russell's text to me? :p ___ Free-software-melb mailing list Fr

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-04-26 Thread Jean Elchinger
Hi, I would like to respond to Tim about this: *It's hard enough to find CyanogenMod users at a LUG!* Yep, I'm using CyanogenMod! I hope I'll come to the next LUG meeting. I like CyanogenMod and I would like more people to care about it. I would like to organize install parties for this. It's not

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-04-25 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Tim Cuthbertson wrote: > There are links to downloads of the google apps on that wiki, but I > expect it's illegal to distribute them, and maybe even to download > them. I think that Google might be most concerned about mass distributors (which is the point of copyright) and

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-04-25 Thread Brian May
On 26 April 2012 13:31, Brian May wrote: > From those links, I found http://goo.im/gapps, which took me to here: > http://wiki.rootzwiki.com/Google_Apps Oh, it is kind of weird and unsettling when I copy and paste the links (right click and select copy) from http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Lates

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-04-25 Thread Tim Cuthbertson
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Chris Samuel wrote: > On 26/04/12 12:58, Tim Cuthbertson wrote: > >> Unless I'm missing something, that still seems to back up Matt's statement. > > Er, I was replying to Russell.. Oops, saw Matt's face above yours in the thread and assumed he was the one quoted.

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-04-25 Thread Brian May
On 26 April 2012 13:16, Brian May wrote: > The google apps have been included with the iso distribution of > android-x86 - does this mean downloading it is illegal? > > Supposedly android-x86 is entirely open source - see > http://www.android-x86.org/ - I wonder if somebody made a mistake > includ

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-04-25 Thread Brian May
On 26 April 2012 12:58, Tim Cuthbertson wrote: > There's a note on that page that some apps can now be downloaded from > the marketplace, but it's important to realise that the marketplace > app itself is one such binary-only app that you can't legally get > unless it came with your phone. >From

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-04-25 Thread Chris Samuel
On 26/04/12 12:58, Tim Cuthbertson wrote: > Unless I'm missing something, that still seems to back up Matt's statement. Er, I was replying to Russell.. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC ___ Free-software-melb mailing list

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-04-25 Thread Brian May
On 26 April 2012 12:58, Tim Cuthbertson wrote: > There's a note on that page that some apps can now be downloaded from > the marketplace, but it's important to realise that the marketplace > app itself is one such binary-only app that you can't legally get > unless it came with your phone. > > The

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-04-25 Thread Tim Cuthbertson
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Chris Samuel wrote: > On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:33:12 Russell Coker wrote: > >> Google has a set of binary-only proprietary apps for Android which >> can only be  installed by a hardware vendor who satisfies some >> Google conditions. > > That appears to no long

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-04-25 Thread Chris Samuel
On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:33:12 Russell Coker wrote: > Google has a set of binary-only proprietary apps for Android which > can only be installed by a hardware vendor who satisfies some > Google conditions. That appears to no longer be the case.. http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Latest_Versio

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-03-27 Thread Matt Giuca
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Ben Finney < ben+freesoftw...@benfinney.id.au> wrote: > Easy response: since they're free, get the source code and disable any > anti-features like that. Then use your freedom to redistribute them to > anyone else, so they benefit from your improvements. > > Unless

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-03-27 Thread Matt Giuca
I agree, and I think Google has made noises about increasing the conditions on getting the Android license, including some condition requiring upgradeability for a certain time. (But I don't have a source on it.) The Sony experience sounds terrible. It's sad because in the desktop/laptop space, we

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-03-27 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Brian May wrote: > The argument is that this is the only way Google has to ensure that > Android phones meet a minimum standard, and we don't have a maze of > different products that are incompatible with each other. Where the minimum standard is so low that the status LED is

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-03-27 Thread Brian May
On 27 March 2012 19:33, Russell Coker wrote: > Osmand provides functionality which is in many ways equal to Google Maps, > apart from the fact that Osmand has no satellite maps and no good search > interface.  On the up-side downloading vector maps for all of Australia is > less than 200MB of Zip

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-03-27 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Matt Giuca wrote: > I'm under the understanding that if you don't use the official Android, > then you can't use the Android Market (or "Google Play" now). Is this > correct? Google has a set of binary-only proprietary apps for Android which can only be installed by a hardwa

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-03-26 Thread Ben Finney
Matt Giuca writes: > After living in free software world for so long, it does feel very ... > I don't know ... "icky" being in the Android Market where all the free > apps are either displaying ads, trying to sell you in-app purchases, > or trying to upsell you to buy the full version. Oh, and as

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-03-26 Thread Matt Giuca
> Perhaps other stores are able to be used also, but the Android Market > likely has artificial restrictions on who can connect. > I think you can connect if you have an Android account from an authorised Android device. I understand this isn't the best place to discuss how to get the Market give

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-03-26 Thread Ben Finney
Matt Giuca writes: > I'm under the understanding that if you don't use the official Android, > then you can't use the Android Market (or "Google Play" now). Is this > correct? I don't know. I've never used that, I use only the F-Droid repository http://f-droid.org/> which provides all the apps I

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-03-26 Thread Matt Giuca
I'm under the understanding that if you don't use the official Android, then you can't use the Android Market (or "Google Play" now). Is this correct? I've also been told that if you have an existing legitimate Android device, then you *can* install Google Play into Cyanogen or another unofficial

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-03-26 Thread Jean Elchinger
gt; From: Ben Finney > To: free-software-melb@lists.softwarefreedom.com.au > Subject: Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2 > Message-ID: <87bonkieu2@benfinney.id.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Jean Elchinger > writes: > > > If you

Re: [free-software-melb] CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2

2012-03-25 Thread Ben Finney
Jean Elchinger writes: > If you got this reboot loop problem too, after trying to install > CyanogenMod 7 on SGS2 the solution exists, read carefully this topic: > http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/38096-boot-loop-sollution/ Thank you for passing this on. Sorry you had to spend your weekend dis