Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Crist J. Clark wrote: It is now written policy, and I believe it was the understood, unwritten policy in the past, that any patches and additions to a file in FreeBSD are governed by the existing licensing of the file unless otherwise stated. This would indicate to me that this file is arguably still public domain. The problem with source in the public domain versus a BSD license is that public domain source code does not explicitly release the project and author from liability. I'm sure that's why a BSD license was slapped over this code. -- Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time. -- /usr/games/fortune, 07/30/2001 Brandon D. Valentine bandix at looksharp.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
syscons VTY switch panic...
I am getting this with regularity now. The one time I was available to see the panic, I forgot to go into the debugger and do a traceback, but it had something to do with a mwrite, and had a line concerning [maybe a buffer is?]... I know this isn't much to go on, but that's what I have. I'll get more info when I feel like wasting ten or fifteen minutes for a double-reboot... [is it necessary to do the `shutdown -r now` to write a new entropy, or can we just keep going if it boots without the proper entropy?]... I have pretty much isolated this to VTY switching via syscons. Occasionally, it will leave the system speaker in a constant tone until it reboots. This is very noticable then X exits. jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
problem not single open() of '/dev/mixer' in -CURRENT
After ubgrade to -CURRENT I have found that it is not possible open mixer device twice and more. Second open gets EBUSY. It is usual practice that on there is more than one program on desktop opening mixer - for me it wmmixer, wmtune (both WindowMaker applets) and xmms or xmcd. Under RELENG_4 - there was no problem with it. Is it principial or conceptual problem ? I've fix it with small patch, but I want to understand why it so in -CURRENT ? -- TSB Russian Express, Moscow Vladimir B. Grebenschikov, [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Where to put new bus_dmamap_load_mbuf() code
Correction.
This sample:
if (bus_dma_tag_create(pci-parent_dmat, PAGE_SIZE, lim,
BUS_SPACE_MAXADDR, BUS_SPACE_MAXADDR, NULL, NULL, len, 1,
BUS_SPACE_MAXSIZE_32BIT, 0, pci-cntrol_dmat) != 0) {
isp_prt(isp, ISP_LOGERR,
cannot create a dma tag for control spaces);
free(isp-isp_xflist, M_DEVBUF);
free(pci-dmaps, M_DEVBUF);
return (1);
}
You'll need to change the number of segments to match the max
supported by the card (or the max you will ever need). This
example made me realize that the bounce code doesn't deal with
multiple segments being copied into a single page (i.e. tracking
and using remaining free space in a page already allocated for
bouncing for a single map). I'll have to break loose some time
to fix that.
--
Justin
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Re: Sound broken on -current again...
It seems John Baldwin wrote: In servalan.mailinglist.fbsd-current Maxim Sobolev writes: I found that after reverting the following deltas (jhb's 10 August commit) sound starts working again: [list of deltas deleted] I found much the same thing; specifically, the problematic change is this one: What wait channel is the process (xmms, mpg123, whatever) in? mpg123 hangs on sbwait Oh and btw the same commits seem to have broken USB too (at least on my VIA based board). -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Sound broken on -current again...
John Baldwin wrote: The same is here (OPL3-SA driver on Toshiba Satellite Pro 445CDX notebook). I found that after reverting the following deltas (jhb's 10 August commit) sound starts working again: That's a rather large commit. Is this the ast() fixup? Is the process that has the sound device open hung? Is it stuck in a wait channel? If so, can you do a ps and find the wait channel? Is it chewing up large amounts of CPU time? Has it exited with a signal? Somebody tracked it down to kern_synch.c,v 1.154 and I'm confirming that reverting this delta indeed fixes the problem. The process in question hangs and doesn't respond to any signals (SIGKILL included). Following is the relevant piece of `ps axl' output: UID PID PPID CPU PRI NI VSZ RSS WCHAN STAT TT TIME COMMAND 0 275 267 0 -8 0 41496 212 - R+v00:00,74 madplay /cdr Please note that even though madplay above is in the `RUN' state it doesn't consume any CPU time. Please let me know if any additional information would be necessary. -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
is 'suspend' broken in CURRENT?
Juriy Goloveshkin writes: I have sony vaio z505hs. I have latest cvs-tree. suspend worked 1-2 weeks ago but now when I want to resume from suspend-mode I see the same screen I saw before suspend but keyboard doesn't work and harddisk doesn't spin. Have same problem on: FreeBSD vbook.express.ru 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #2: Sat Aug 18 00:12:19 MSD 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/VBOOK i386 When I was running RELENG_4 my vaio z505s allways successful awake from hibernation, and with probability about 30% freezes after awake from suspend. Now (with -CURRENT) it always freezes after awake from suspend, and often freezes after awake from hibernation. bye Juriy Goloveshkin -- TSB Russian Express, Moscow Vladimir B. Grebenschikov, [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: /usr/games/wtf
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:03:11PM +0700, Max Khon wrote: hi, there! I would like to add /usr/games/wtf from NetBSD to base system. Any opinions/objections? FWIW, I don't like its name. :-) Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sunbay Software AG, [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: /usr/games/wtf
hi, there! I would like to add /usr/games/wtf from NetBSD to base system. Any opinions/objections? wtf is it? NAME wtf - translates acronyms for you SYNOPSIS wtf [is] acronym ... husky:~$wtf is pola POLA: principle of least astonishment husky:~$ /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Panic on 8/10 -current: sleeping process owns a mutex
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Barton writes: Immediately prior to the crash I was getting a lot of these on the console: Aug 12 01:00:52 kern.crit Master /boot/kernel/kernel: /usr/local/src/sys/kern/kern_synch.c:377: sleeping with mountlist locke d from /usr/local/src/sys/kern/vfs_syscalls.c:548 This should be fixed by revision 1.198 of vfs_syscalls.c. It could only occur during unmount(), which is why it didn't show up more often: iedowse 2001/08/20 12:16:31 PDT Modified files: sys/kern vfs_syscalls.c Log: Avoid sleeping while holding a mutex in dounmount(). This problem has existed for a long time, but I made it worse a few months ago by by adding calls to VFS_ROOT() and checkdirs() in revision 1.179. Also, remove the LK_REENABLE flag in the lockmgr() call; this flag has been ignored by the lockmgr code for 4 years. This was the only remaining mention of it apart from its definition. Reviewed by: jhb Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias
Well since copyright was abandoned (being placed into the public domain is abandonment of copyright), the changed file can be copyrighted by whomever makes changes. The new file is then covered by the license from that point forward. Copyright is certainly not abaondoned when you place something in the public domain. Your rights vary depending upon the license you choose, but you certainly do NOT lose your copyright. If you are the author of a piece of software and you release the code to public domain, you still have the right to sell the same code under a different license as well. So, if Microsoft decides they want your software without the existing license (public domain) you can relicense it to them for a fee under whatever terms you want, and they must deal with you on it because of the copyright that you hold. Tom Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: /usr/games/wtf
--On Tuesday, August 21, 2001 14:18:19 +0700 Max Khon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, there! I would like to add /usr/games/wtf from NetBSD to base system. Any opinions/objections? wtf is it? NAME wtf - translates acronyms for you SYNOPSIS wtf [is] acronym ... husky:~$wtf is pola POLA: principle of least astonishment husky:~$ I can't see any benefits to having this in the base system. Make it a port instead. Paul Richards FreeBSD Services Ltd To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: /usr/games/wtf
Hi, On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:18:19PM +0700, Max Khon wrote: SYNOPSIS wtf [is] acronym ... husky:~$wtf is pola POLA: principle of least astonishment husky:~$ There's also /usr/ports/misc/acron iirc. bye, alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: libss termination
Mark Murray wrote: As far as I can tell, there's nothing in the tree which uses libss any longer, and hasnt been for quite some time. Is there any reason to keep it? Nope. Right. Kill it. Are there any ports which depnd on it, and thus assume it's in the base system, which will need to be hacked to have a libss port on which they will need to depend? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: libss termination
Terry Lambert wrote: Mark Murray wrote: As far as I can tell, there's nothing in the tree which uses libss any longer, and hasnt been for quite some time. Is there any reason to keep it? Nope. Right. Kill it. Are there any ports which depnd on it, and thus assume it's in the base system, which will need to be hacked to have a libss port on which they will need to depend? -- Terry Well, why not have a look and find out? If so, supplying a list is more productive than making somebody else go and look for you. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: libss termination
Peter Wemm wrote: As far as I can tell, there's nothing in the tree which uses libss any longer, and hasnt been for quite some time. Is there any reason to keep it? Nope. Right. Kill it. Are there any ports which depnd on it, and thus assume it's in the base system, which will need to be hacked to have a libss port on which they will need to depend? Well, why not have a look and find out? If so, supplying a list is more productive than making somebody else go and look for you. It's not as easy as you paint it, since there are a lot of things that run config scripts and just magically find all sorts of libraries you never knew you had. It'd be a heck of a lot easier, if it were possible to force everything to link shared, which would show in an ldd of all the binaries in all the packages, but that would still leave some stuff out. I don't think there's an easy way to deal with testing this sort of thing, if you don't have a full ftp.freebsd.org mirror, with the ability to build each and every port after deleting the library and header files locally. I just asked mostly because I'm not the person diking it out without having checked first, and I remember the last time something like this went wrong... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: QT23 not building
You are building from the ports tree right? Did you check to make sure you have The include path and library path for OpenGL libraries in the QT Makefile? On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Salvo Bartolotta wrote: Dear FreeBSD'ers, I am running -CURRENT as of August 18, 2001 -- yet another entry in the -current userbase, BTW. I am using XFree4 and my /etc/make.conf contains the required XFree86 version string. Qt23 will NOT build. It dies here: gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/tools' gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/tools' The Qt library is now built in ./lib The Qt examples are built in the directories in ./examples The Qt tutorials are built in the directories in ./tutorial Note: be sure to set $QTDIR to point to here or to wherever you move these directories. Enjoy! - the Trolltech team (cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/src /usr/bin/env QTDIR=/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/lib PORTOBJFORMAT=elf PREFIX=/usr/X11R6 LOCALBASE=/usr/local X11BASE=/usr/X11R6 MOTIFLIB=-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm -lXp LIBDIR=/usr/lib CFLAGS=-O -pipe -march=pentiumpro CXXFLAGS= -O -pipe -march=pentiumpro BSD_INSTALL_PROGRAM=install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 BSD_INSTALL_SCRIPT=install -c -o root -g wheel -m 555 BSD_INSTALL_DATA=install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 BSD_INSTALL_MAN=install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 gmake -f Makefile opengl/qgl.o opengl/qgl_x11.o opengl/moc_qgl.o) c++ -c -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23/work/qt-2.3.1/include -pthread -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/X11R6/include -DQT_PREFIX=\/usr/X11R6\ -pipe -O -fno-exceptions -O -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I/usr/include -D_PTH_H_ -D_PTH_PTHREAD_H_ -frerun-cse-after-loop -fPIC -DQT_BUILTIN_GIF_READER=1 -DQT_XFT -fno-exceptions -I/usr/local/include -o opengl/qgl.o opengl/qgl.cpp In file included from opengl/qgl.cpp:38: opengl/qgl.h:63: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory opengl/qgl.h:64: GL/glu.h: No such file or directory opengl/qgl.cpp: In method `void QGLWidget::glDraw()': opengl/qgl.cpp:1604: `GL_FRONT_LEFT' undeclared (first use this function) opengl/qgl.cpp:1604: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once opengl/qgl.cpp:1604: for each function it appears in.) opengl/qgl.cpp:1604: implicit declaration of function `int glDrawBuffer(...)' opengl/qgl.cpp:1616: implicit declaration of function `int glFlush(...)' opengl/qgl.cpp: In method `void QGLWidget::qglColor(const QColor ) const': opengl/qgl.cpp:1634: implicit declaration of function `int glColor3ub(...)' opengl/qgl.cpp:1636: implicit declaration of function `int glIndexi(...)' opengl/qgl.cpp: In method `void QGLWidget::qglClearColor(const QColor ) const': opengl/qgl.cpp:1654: `GLfloat' undeclared (first use this function) opengl/qgl.cpp:1654: syntax error before `.' opengl/qgl.cpp:1659: confused by earlier errors, bailing out gmake: *** [opengl/qgl.o] Error 1 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt23. The archives (-questions, -current, -ports) seem to contain other complaints. Is qt supposed to build with XFree86-4 under -CURRENT? What am I missing ? -- Salvo (If I've missed something rivial, many apologies for the noise) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Panic with latest current/UFS_DIRHASH
Just upgraded my laptop to the latest current and during installworld, got this panic: panic: ufsdirhash_findslot: 'ka_JP.Shift_JIS' not found db trace Debugger panic ufsdirhash_findslot ufsdirhash_move ufs_direnter ufs_makeinode ufs_symlink ufs_vnoperate symlink syscall syscall_with_err_pushed I don't have anough space for a core dump though :-( Any idea ? Ian ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- Eurocontrol EEC/ITM -=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr 5.0-CURRENT #46: Wed Jan 3 15:52:00 CET 2001 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Panic with latest current/UFS_DIRHASH
According to Ollivier Robert:
Just upgraded my laptop to the latest current and during installworld, got
this panic:
panic: ufsdirhash_findslot: 'ka_JP.Shift_JIS' not found
db trace
Debugger
panic
ufsdirhash_findslot
ufsdirhash_move
ufs_direnter
ufs_makeinode
ufs_symlink
ufs_vnoperate
symlink
syscall
syscall_with_err_pushed
The interesting thing is that I also get that with my old 17th Jul.
kernel... except that the panic message is
ufsdirhash_checkblock: bad dir inode
It is always in the following part of installworld:
/usr/src/etc/Makefile:
cd ${DESTDIR}/usr/share/locale; \
set - `grep ^[a-zA-Z] ${.CURDIR}/locale.alias`; \
while [ $$# -gt 0 ] ; \
do \
rm -rf $$1; \
ln -s $$2 $$1; \
shift; shift; \
done
I'll try disabling UFS_DIRHASH.
I have softupdates on all partitions EXCEPT /.
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Re: is 'suspend' broken in CURRENT?
According to Vladimir B. Grebenschikov: When I was running RELENG_4 my vaio z505s allways successful awake from hibernation, and with probability about 30% freezes after awake from suspend. Now (with -CURRENT) it always freezes after awake from suspend, and often freezes after awake from hibernation. Weird, although I have some UFS_DIRHASH problems, suspend still work on my older Z505SX laptop... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 5.0-CURRENT #80: Sun Jun 4 22:44:19 CEST 2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: /usr/games/wtf
wtf knows what acronyms are so you type wtf wtf and it tells you... or you're just messing with him... I can't tell... On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:03:11PM +0700, Max Khon wrote: hi, there! I would like to add /usr/games/wtf from NetBSD to base system. Any opinions/objections? wtf is it? Kris Laurence Berland http://www.isp.northwestern.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: /usr/games/wtf
I can't see any benefits to having this in the base system. Make it a port instead. Oh and /usr/games/wargames is such a huge benefit? By that logic all of /usr/games belong as ports. Which I wont argue with at all. = -Chris Watson (316) 326-3862 | Sr. Unix Administrator Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Trans World Airlines, Kansas City, MO Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.twa.com = WINDOWS: Where do you want to go today? LINUX: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming or what? = irc.openprojects.net #FreeBSD -Join the revolution! ICQ: 20016186 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: /usr/games/wtf
--On Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:37:47 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see any benefits to having this in the base system. Make it a port instead. Oh and /usr/games/wargames is such a huge benefit? By that logic all of /usr/games belong as ports. Which I wont argue with at all. Neither will I :-) Paul Richards FreeBSD Services Ltd To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Panic with latest current/UFS_DIRHASH
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ollivier Robert writes: The interesting thing is that I also get that with my old 17th Jul. kernel... except that the panic message is ufsdirhash_checkblock: bad dir inode It is always in the following part of installworld: That's interesting - the bad dir inode bit in particular. I'll look into this in more detail later. My first guess is that there is a logic flaw in the dirhash code that only triggers when dirhash comes across a directory entry that has had its inode zeroed by fsck. The kernel filsystem code only ever places unused directory entries at the start of a directory block (free space that is not at the start of a block is merged into an exesting entry). However, fsck can mark any entry as unused, resulting in the unfortunate situation that fsck can put the filesystem into a state that cannot be produced by any combination of kernel filesystem operations. That introduces quite some potential for obscure bugs that only occur after an fsck run... Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:14:59AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: Well since copyright was abandoned (being placed into the public domain is abandonment of copyright), the changed file can be copyrighted by whomever makes changes. The new file is then covered by the license from that point forward. Copyright is certainly not abaondoned when you place something in the public domain. Your rights vary depending upon the license you choose, You can't chose a license for something put in the public domain. Putting something in the public domain implies that anyone can do whatever they want with it. You can't put it in the public domain _and_ place restrictions on its use. but you certainly do NOT lose your copyright. You've just given everyone permission to do whatever they want with the material. You do lose your copyright in the sense that you no longer have any legal recourse to prevent people from doing whatever they want with the work. If you are the author of a piece of software and you release the code to public domain, you still have the right to sell the same code under a different license as well. But anyone else can sell the code under any license they want too. So, if Microsoft decides they want your software without the existing license (public domain) you can relicense it to them for a fee under whatever terms you want, and they must deal with you on it because of the copyright that you hold. No, they don't have to deal with you. MS can license code in the public domain however they like. They need not consult you at all. -- Crist J. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Sound broken on -current again...
Maxim Sobolev wrote: John Baldwin wrote: The same is here (OPL3-SA driver on Toshiba Satellite Pro 445CDX notebook). I found that after reverting the following deltas (jhb's 10 August commit) sound starts working again: That's a rather large commit. Is this the ast() fixup? Is the process that has the sound device open hung? Is it stuck in a wait channel? If so, can you do a ps and find the wait channel? Is it chewing up large amounts of CPU time? Has it exited with a signal? Somebody tracked it down to kern_synch.c,v 1.154 and I'm confirming that reverting this delta indeed fixes the problem. The process in question hangs and doesn't respond to any signals (SIGKILL included). Following is the relevant piece of `ps axl' output: UID PID PPID CPU PRI NI VSZ RSS WCHAN STAT TT TIME COMMAND 0 275 267 0 -8 0 41496 212 - R+v00:00,74 madplay /cdr Please note that even though madplay above is in the `RUN' state it doesn't consume any CPU time. Please let me know if any additional information would be necessary. FYI: the same problem affects another my -current machine with sb16 card, with exactly the same symptoms, i.e. I hear 0.5 second or so of audio, then it halts and process hangs in the RUN state not responding to signals. -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
problems while compiling kernel
Hallo, Well I'm upgrading my 4-STABLE box up to 5.0-CURRENT... cvsup and make buildworld were successful, as opposed to make buildkernel, which issues: [skipped] linking kernel kbd.o: In function `kbd_register': kbd.o(.text+0x351): undefined reference to `__start_set_kbddriver_set' kbd.o(.text+0x357): undefined reference to `__stop_set_kbddriver_set' kbd.o(.text+0x37d): undefined reference to `__stop_set_kbddriver_set' kbd.o: In function `kbd_get_switch': kbd.o(.text+0x44f): undefined reference to `__start_set_kbddriver_set' kbd.o(.text+0x455): undefined reference to `__stop_set_kbddriver_set' kbd.o(.text+0x479): undefined reference to `__stop_set_kbddriver_set' kbd.o: In function `kbd_configure': kbd.o(.text+0x6ce): undefined reference to `__start_set_kbddriver_set' kbd.o(.text+0x6d4): undefined reference to `__stop_set_kbddriver_set' kbd.o(.text+0x6f2): undefined reference to `__stop_set_kbddriver_set' What's the problem? /be9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
[PATCH] Fix for hanging sound
There is a bug in the msleep/endtsleep race workaround. Please test the patch
at http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/timeout.patch
Index: kern/kern_condvar.c
===
RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sys/kern/kern_condvar.c,v
retrieving revision 1.11
diff -u -r1.11 kern_condvar.c
--- kern/kern_condvar.c 2001/07/06 01:16:42 1.11
+++ kern/kern_condvar.c 2001/08/21 17:57:08
@@ -345,8 +345,17 @@
if (p-p_sflag PS_TIMEOUT) {
p-p_sflag = ~PS_TIMEOUT;
rval = EWOULDBLOCK;
- } else
- callout_stop(p-p_slpcallout);
+ } else if (p-p_sflag PS_TIMOFAIL)
+ p-p_sflag = ~PS_TIMOFAIL;
+ } else if (callout_stop(p-p_slpcallout) == 0) {
+ /*
+* Work around race with cv_timedwait_end similar to that
+* between msleep and endtsleep.
+*/
+ p-p_sflag |= PS_TIMEOUT;
+ p-p_stats-p_ru.ru_nivcsw++;
+ mi_switch();
+ }
mtx_unlock_spin(sched_lock);
#ifdef KTRACE
@@ -407,8 +416,17 @@
if (p-p_sflag PS_TIMEOUT) {
p-p_sflag = ~PS_TIMEOUT;
rval = EWOULDBLOCK;
- } else
- callout_stop(p-p_slpcallout);
+ } else if (p-p_sflag PS_TIMOFAIL)
+ p-p_sflag = ~PS_TIMOFAIL;
+ } else if (callout_stop(p-p_slpcallout) == 0) {
+ /*
+* Work around race with cv_timedwait_end similar to that
+* between msleep and endtsleep.
+*/
+ p-p_sflag |= PS_TIMEOUT;
+ p-p_stats-p_ru.ru_nivcsw++;
+ mi_switch();
+ }
mtx_unlock_spin(sched_lock);
PICKUP_GIANT();
@@ -538,12 +556,16 @@
CTR3(KTR_PROC, cv_timedwait_end: proc %p (pid %d, %s), p, p-p_pid,
p-p_comm);
mtx_lock_spin(sched_lock);
- if (p-p_wchan != NULL) {
+ if (p-p_sflag PS_TIMEOUT) {
+ p-p_sflag = ~PS_TIMEOUT;
+ setrunqueue(p);
+ } else if (p-p_wchan != NULL) {
if (p-p_stat == SSLEEP)
setrunnable(p);
else
cv_waitq_remove(p);
p-p_sflag |= PS_TIMEOUT;
- }
+ } else
+ p-p_sflag |= PS_TIMOFAIL;
mtx_unlock_spin(sched_lock);
}
Index: kern/kern_synch.c
===
RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sys/kern/kern_synch.c,v
retrieving revision 1.155
diff -u -r1.155 kern_synch.c
--- kern/kern_synch.c 2001/08/10 22:53:28 1.155
+++ kern/kern_synch.c 2001/08/21 17:57:08
@@ -451,6 +455,8 @@
p-p_sflag = ~PS_TIMEOUT;
if (sig == 0)
rval = EWOULDBLOCK;
+ } else if (p-p_sflag PS_TIMOFAIL)
+ p-p_sflag = ~PS_TIMOFAIL;
} else if (timo callout_stop(p-p_slpcallout) == 0) {
/*
* This isn't supposed to be pretty. If we are here, then
@@ -524,7 +530,8 @@
else
unsleep(p);
p-p_sflag |= PS_TIMEOUT;
- }
+ } else
+ p-p_sflag |= PS_TIMOFAIL;
mtx_unlock_spin(sched_lock);
}
Index: sys/proc.h
===
RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sys/sys/proc.h,v
retrieving revision 1.174
diff -u -r1.174 proc.h
--- sys/proc.h 2001/08/10 22:53:32 1.174
+++ sys/proc.h 2001/08/21 17:57:08
@@ -321,6 +321,7 @@
#definePS_SWAPPING 0x00200 /* Process is being swapped. */
#definePS_ASTPENDING 0x00400 /* Process has a pending ast. */
#definePS_NEEDRESCHED 0x00800 /* Process needs to yield. */
+#definePS_TIMOFAIL 0x01000 /* Timeout from sleep after we were
awake. */
#defineP_MAGIC 0xbeefface
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Re: [acpi-jp 1221] Re: question about acpi sleep.
Hi, IWASAKI-san wrote: I think your NotePC doesn't have _S1_ object in ACPI data block. Plese check `acpidump | grep _S1' to see if _S1_ object is there. No, there isn't _S1_ object. Yup, it has only S0, S3, S4 and S5. No S1 on your NotePC. Maybe yours has other _Sx_ object (such as _S3_ for Sleep State 3, meaning suspend in APM term). And could you send us acpidump output from PCG-C1VSX/K? I attach those. Now acpiconf -s 3 doesn't work well. After resume, LCD doesn't recover, but Ctrl-Alt-Delete does shutdown. (Doesn't reboot, so I had to press power button after that.) I also attach related log. Thanks. Hmmm, _WAK method checks OS type (in CKOS method) and skips calling PHS(0xe1). I suspect that this is needed to be done after wakeup. i.e. the OS which have `FreeBSD' as ACPI_OS_NAME might have problems on your NotePC's ACPI. Try running `amldb PCG-C1VSXK.dsdt' to see what happen on Windows NT... # Yes, amldb has string Microsoft Windows NT in _OS_ object for this # purpose :-) Thanks P.S. I've found another problem; RTC interrupts are disabled after wakeup on some machines. And statclock() never be called after that. I hope I can fix this soon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
RE: [PATCH] Fix for hanging sound
On 21-Aug-01 John Baldwin wrote: There is a bug in the msleep/endtsleep race workaround. Please test the patch at http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/timeout.patch Grrr, this patch doesn't compile. I've updated the patch at the URL. -- John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc Power Users Use the Power to Serve! - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: libss termination
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 06:12:58AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: Peter Wemm wrote: As far as I can tell, there's nothing in the tree which uses libss any longer, and hasnt been for quite some time. Is there any reason to keep it? Nope. Right. Kill it. Are there any ports which depnd on it, and thus assume it's in the base system, which will need to be hacked to have a libss port on which they will need to depend? Well, why not have a look and find out? If so, supplying a list is more productive than making somebody else go and look for you. It's not as easy as you paint it, since there are a lot of things that run config scripts and just magically find all sorts of libraries you never knew you had. It'd be a heck of a lot easier, if it were possible to force everything to link shared, which would show in an ldd of all the binaries in all the packages, but that would still leave some stuff out. I don't think there's an easy way to deal with testing this sort of thing, if you don't have a full ftp.freebsd.org mirror, with the ability to build each and every port after deleting the library and header files locally. I just asked mostly because I'm not the person diking it out without having checked first, and I remember the last time something like this went wrong... It's no big deal, Terry. If bento turns up packages which are breaking because they expect libss, then I'll either fix them, or if it's a hard dependency then I'll import libss as a port. Kris PGP signature
Re: Disk I/O problems with -current.
On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 11:52:07AM +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: I'm having strange problems with -current on a laptop with 64mb of memory. Periodically things go strange [tm]. Because of the lack of memory I'm using a fair amount of swap. Everything runs smoothly up until a point, which seems to depend upon not running too many large processes for too long. Then the file system grinds to a halt for seconds at a time. Some processes run, and others just hang. Yes, I see almost exactly the same thing (except that I haven't noticed any processes which stay running during the freeze -- things like keyboard and mouse activity in X or the console always freeze). Mine could well be swap related too, though I have 128MB of memory. I really think developers should be made to run -current on an old, slow, crippled machines so they notice this kind of thing which would be lost in the noise on their fast machines :-) Kris PGP signature
Re: /usr/games/wtf
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see any benefits to having this in the base system. Make it a port instead. Oh and /usr/games/wargames is such a huge benefit? By that logic all of /usr/games belong as ports. Which I wont argue with at all. I would argue with taking /usr/games/fortune out of the base system though. I am quite annoyed when I sit down in front of one of my commercial unix boxen only to find the vendor has decided to leave fortune off of the box. =) -- Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time. -- /usr/games/fortune, 07/30/2001 Brandon D. Valentine bandix at looksharp.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias
From: Crist J. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias Date: Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:40:20AM -0700 On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:14:59AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: So, if Microsoft decides they want your software without the existing license (public domain) you can relicense it to them for a fee under whatever terms you want, and they must deal with you on it because of the copyright that you hold. No, they don't have to deal with you. MS can license code in the public domain however they like. They need not consult you at all. But can someone that did not know about the `public domain' state of the program accuse you, tha author, later on that you 'cheated' on him, if you do ask for money when they come to you and ask that they `buy' the source? I am not a lawyer, and I am probably mistaken here, but if someone wants to pay me for a program, even if the program has been released by me to the public domain, I think I will not refuse their money. Of course, being the stupid^W ethical guy I am, I will note that the program is public domain, and if they still want to buy it, then I won't refuse selling it. -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:18:41PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: From: Crist J. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias Date: Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:40:20AM -0700 On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:14:59AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: So, if Microsoft decides they want your software without the existing license (public domain) you can relicense it to them for a fee under whatever terms you want, and they must deal with you on it because of the copyright that you hold. No, they don't have to deal with you. MS can license code in the public domain however they like. They need not consult you at all. But can someone that did not know about the `public domain' state of the program accuse you, tha author, later on that you 'cheated' on him, if you do ask for money when they come to you and ask that they `buy' the source? If you ever claimed to hold the copyright to software that has been released into the public domain, you would be commiting fraud. You would be vulnerable to whatever criminal or civil reprocusions that result. That does not mean you can't sell something you do not own the copyright too. If I have the only existing copy of some forgotten work by Shakespeare, I could sell it however I want under any terms I chose (licensing), but I cannot claim the copyright and be protected by copyright law above and beyond what I put in my license. If someone else finds a copy of it, I'm screwed. I am not a lawyer, and I am probably mistaken here, but if someone wants to pay me for a program, even if the program has been released by me to the public domain, I think I will not refuse their money. Of course, being the stupid^W ethical guy I am, I will note that the program is public domain, and if they still want to buy it, then I won't refuse selling it. Feel free. I think people are confusing the concept of license and copyright. They are two different things. FreeBSD can distribute public domain code under any license it wants (provided the licensing does not assume FreeBSD or someone else holds copyright to the code). It cannot claim the copyright of public domain code. Public domain is not a type of license. When a copyright owner puts something in the public domain, they are giving up the copyright since they have no recourse to stop anyone from doing _anything_ with the material. But again, IANAL. There are international copyright treaties, but laws still do vary from nation to nation. YMMV. -- Crist J. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias
If you ever claimed to hold the copyright to software that has been released into the public domain, you would be commiting fraud. Not if I'm the author of the software. I can release my software under as many licenses as I'd like, including putting it into the public domain. However, I can't retroactively take away the rights of anyone who has gotten my 'public domain' software. That is all. I can release the exact same code under a zillion different licenses, but once it's released, the people who have gotten it can do whatever the license they received it under with the software, and if that means 'public domain', that means they can do just about anything with it. However, *I* (as the original author) can release the software to someone else, and if they aren't aware of the other (potentially more liberally licensed) versions, they can be perfectly happy with the software I've given them. As the original author, you never lose your rights to the software, unless you assign your rights away to another entity, who knows has the same rights as you normally have. That means they can release it under multiple licenses, This is why folks can release software under both the GPL and BSD licenses, and folks who work for the government must release it as PD, and afterward someone takes that software and modifies it again, and the modified version is licensed another way. If I have the only existing copy of some forgotten work by Shakespeare, I could sell it however I want under any terms I chose (licensing), but I cannot claim the copyright and be protected by copyright law above and beyond what I put in my license. If someone else finds a copy of it, I'm screwed. Again, you aren't the author, or you have not been assigned the rights by the original author (or whomever owned the copyright at the time). However, most authors still have their original rights to do whatever they please with their software, regardless of how they've released their software in the past. Back to the original question, Charles Mott is the original author of said code, and he can release his software under any license he so pleases. If someone has a copy of his software released under the PD license, they are free to do with it as they please. However, he can *also* release a version under the BSD license (which he has), and that version is now being distributed by FreeBSD. This is all completely free and legal, because Charles is within his legal rights to do so. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias
+---[ Nate Williams ]-- | If you ever claimed to hold the copyright to software that has been | released into the public domain, you would be commiting fraud. | | Not if I'm the author of the software. | | I can release my software under as many licenses as I'd like, including | putting it into the public domain. Once it's in the Public Domain you have abandoned your claim to copyright. That is the point of the Public Domain. If you still wish to retain the copyright and the associated rights you cannot release it into the Public Domain. | As the original author, you never lose your rights to the software, | unless you assign your rights away to another entity, who knows has the Or you abandon those rights by releasing it into the Public Domain. | Back to the original question, Charles Mott is the original author of | said code, and he can release his software under any license he so | pleases. If someone has a copy of his software released under the PD | license, they are free to do with it as they please. However, he can | *also* release a version under the BSD license (which he has), and that | version is now being distributed by FreeBSD. This is all completely | free and legal, because Charles is within his legal rights to do so. The Public Domain is not a license, it is an abandonment of copyright. If you find a piece of code, without a license attached, then copyright law prevents you from copying, modifying or redistributing that code (or book, or music) without written permission. A license removes restrictions that are granted by copyright law, typically Open Source licenses loosen the distribution, and modification restrictions, and disclaim the author(s) from liability. Placing something into the public domain is abandoning your claim to copyright on that item, and there-after you have the same rights as everyone else, or more to the point, everyone else has the same rights as you do to that piece. People don't understand the implications of releasing things into the Public Domain, or understand what the Public Domain is. Licensed code is not in the Public Domain. Public Domain is not a description of Free/Open items. The GPL was born because Stallman got burnt by releasing a version of emacs (I think) into the Public Domain. A company started selling it, and RMS had no claim to any of the monies, nor could he stop them from selling a binary only version of it (or selling it at all), nor could he force them to acknowledge it was written by him. This may be apocryphal, but, it does spell out the consequences of releasing software into the Public Domain. Open Source Parable perhaps... -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| | Andrew Milton The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | | ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 | Carpe Daemon PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068|[EMAIL PROTECTED]| To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 04:46:07PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote: If you ever claimed to hold the copyright to software that has been released into the public domain, you would be commiting fraud. Not if I'm the author of the software. I can release my software under as many licenses as I'd like, including putting it into the public domain. Public domain is not a license agreement. You are retracting your rights as a copyright holder when you put something in the public domain. However, I can't retroactively take away the rights of anyone who has gotten my 'public domain' software. You can't do anything. You have no more rights to the software than anyone else does (except the ability to say you wrote it). That is all. I can release the exact same code under a zillion different licenses, but once it's released, the people who have gotten it can do whatever the license they received it under with the software, and if that means 'public domain', that means they can do just about anything with it. Again, putting something in the public domain is not a license agreement, but the fact they can do anything with it is true. However, *I* (as the original author) can release the software to someone else, and if they aren't aware of the other (potentially more liberally licensed) versions, they can be perfectly happy with the software I've given them. As can anyone else who gets their hands on the software. As the original author, you never lose your rights to the software, unless you assign your rights away to another entity, who knows has the same rights as you normally have. That means they can release it under multiple licenses, Yes, the original author does lose his rights when the copyright expires (which for things now-a-days only happens years after the author dies) at which time the work becomes public domain or when the author retracts his rights by explicitly placing the works in the public domain. This is why folks can release software under both the GPL and BSD licenses, and folks who work for the government must release it as PD, and afterward someone takes that software and modifies it again, and the modified version is licensed another way. Licensing has nothing to do with giving up a copyright. You can release any software you want under any license and you still have your copyright to the work. Again, placing something in the public domain is NOT a type of licensing agreement. You are surrendering your rights as the copyright holder. Oh, and you mention the fine point that nothing produced by the US Gov't is copyrighted. If I have the only existing copy of some forgotten work by Shakespeare, I could sell it however I want under any terms I chose (licensing), but I cannot claim the copyright and be protected by copyright law above and beyond what I put in my license. If someone else finds a copy of it, I'm screwed. Again, you aren't the author, or you have not been assigned the rights by the original author (or whomever owned the copyright at the time). However, most authors still have their original rights to do whatever they please with their software, regardless of how they've released their software in the past. But I am trying to point out that for something in the public domain, everyone has the same rights to use the work. The original author has the same rights to it as anyone else. Back to the original question, Charles Mott is the original author of said code, and he can release his software under any license he so pleases. So can FreeBSD with or without his consent since it is public domain software. If someone has a copy of his software released under the PD license, There is no PD license. they are free to do with it as they please. However, he can *also* release a version under the BSD license (which he has), and that version is now being distributed by FreeBSD. This is all completely free and legal, because Charles is within his legal rights to do so. And so is FreeBSD. Strictly speaking, the license might need to be slightly reworded for public domain software, but there is no reason FreeBSD cannot add the license to any public domain software it has. But IANAL, and this is all pretty pointless since no one is ever going to really care about the legal status of these few files. -- Crist J. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
issue on STRIP make variable
(I once tried to send this message which did not seem to reach to the
list, so I'm trying again. If you see this message twice, sorry for
it)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Takanori Saneto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, folks,
I think there is problem about the treatment of STRIP make variable.
I can't decide whether it is configuration problem, software bug, or
both.
Under current confguration, when DEBUG_FLAGS is defined (e.g. in
/etc/make.conf), build of ports/lang/ruby will fail as shown below:
"Makefile", line 77: Malformed conditional (${STRIP} == -s)
"Makefile", line 77: Need an operator
"Makefile", line 79: if-less endif
"Makefile", line 79: Need an operator
make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue
This is because:
1. In /usr/share/mk/bsd.prog.mk, if DEBUG_FLAGS is defined, STRIP will
not be defined.
2. In /usr/ports/lang/ruby/Makefile, there is a conditional which
refers STRIP as:
.if ${STRIP} == -s
3. and make will fail if a variable in conditional is not defined.
There could be couple solutions for this problem.
1. In bsd.prog.mk, always define STRIP (when DEBUG_FLAGS is defined,
define STRIP as null).
2. In ruby's Makefile, change conditional to
.if defined(STRIP) ${STRIP} == -s
3. or fix make so that it won't fail for undefined variable in
conditional (i.e. treat it as if it had an empty value).
Any suggestions?
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Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias
| If you ever claimed to hold the copyright to software that has been | released into the public domain, you would be commiting fraud. | | Not if I'm the author of the software. | | I can release my software under as many licenses as I'd like, including | putting it into the public domain. Once it's in the Public Domain you have abandoned your claim to copyright. On that released version, yes. But, not on subsuquent versions. I still maintain my rights to do with the code as I please. | As the original author, you never lose your rights to the software, | unless you assign your rights away to another entity, who knows has the Or you abandon those rights by releasing it into the Public Domain. See above. | Back to the original question, Charles Mott is the original author of | said code, and he can release his software under any license he so | pleases. If someone has a copy of his software released under the PD | license, they are free to do with it as they please. However, he can | *also* release a version under the BSD license (which he has), and that | version is now being distributed by FreeBSD. This is all completely | free and legal, because Charles is within his legal rights to do so. The Public Domain is not a license, it is an abandonment of copyright. That's not how I understand it to be, from speaking with lawyers on it. If you find a piece of code, without a license attached, then copyright law prevents you from copying, modifying or redistributing that code (or book, or music) without written permission. I believe this is part of the Berne Convention, no? (And, it's not necessarily agreed upon by *all* countries in the world, hence the reason why certain companies explicity deny you to download software in certain countries. I believe Libya is one...) The GPL was born because Stallman got burnt by releasing a version of emacs (I think) into the Public Domain. I don't believe it was PD code. However, RMS never explicitly listed the rights the users had, and another company took the software, modified it, and started selling it as commercial software. RMS still had the rights on his original software, but he couldn't 'go back' and take away the rights he had granted in his initial release, so he couldn't stop the company from making money on 'his work'. I A company started selling it, and RMS had no claim to any of the monies, nor could he stop them from selling a binary only version of it (or selling it at all), nor could he force them to acknowledge it was written by him. Actually, if I remember correctly, the company did acknowledge that he wrote it, but that didn't help his cause. (I actually got a catalog from the company in question, but I can't remember the name offhand). He was free to re-use the same software, and release it under a different license for use in EMACS. (I believe that EMACS still contains some of the original LISP macros he initially developed, but they are now under the GPL license.) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias
+---[ Nate Williams ]-- | | If you ever claimed to hold the copyright to software that has been | | released into the public domain, you would be commiting fraud. | | | | Not if I'm the author of the software. | | | | I can release my software under as many licenses as I'd like, including | | putting it into the public domain. | | Once it's in the Public Domain you have abandoned your claim to copyright. | | On that released version, yes. But, not on subsuquent versions. Because you have now licensed Public Domain code, which has no restrictions. Not because you are the Author. | I still maintain my rights to do with the code as I please. Everyone has the rights you do. Everyone can take the Public Domain version and modify it and release it under a new License. | | As the original author, you never lose your rights to the software, | | unless you assign your rights away to another entity, who knows has the | | Or you abandon those rights by releasing it into the Public Domain. | | See above. Ditto. | The Public Domain is not a license, it is an abandonment of copyright. | | That's not how I understand it to be, from speaking with lawyers on it. Then kindly point me to the Public Domain License, and I will happily retract my statements. | | If you find a piece of code, without a license attached, then copyright | law prevents you from copying, modifying or redistributing that code | (or book, or music) without written permission. | | I believe this is part of the Berne Convention, no? (And, it's not | necessarily agreed upon by *all* countries in the world, hence the | reason why certain companies explicity deny you to download software in | certain countries. I believe Libya is one...) I think that's a US thing related to sanctions (probably against crypto). Berne Convention covers recognition of copyright between countries, if you're in a country that doesn't recognise your copyright, whether it's explicitly or implicitly granted, your license isn't going to matter, nor is some box telling you you're not allowed to download it. Recognition of copyright is not the same thing. Once you agree something is copyrighted, then copyright laws apply, and those restrict duplication, modification, and distribution (as well as others). If it's in the Public Domain it's not copyrighted. public domain n. The status of publications, products, and processes that are not protected under patent or copyright. I don't see how your lawyer can dispute that. -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| | Andrew Milton The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | | ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 | Carpe Daemon PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068|[EMAIL PROTECTED]| To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
fsck setting d_ino == 0 (was Re: filesystem errors)
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kirk McKusick writ
es:
FFS will never set a directory ino == 0 at a location other
than the first entry in a directory, but fsck will do so to
get rid of an unwanted entry. The readdir routines know to
skip over an ino == 0 entry no matter where in the directory
it is found, so applications will never see such entries.
It would be a fair amount of work to change fsck to `do the
right thing', as the checking code is given only the current
entry with which to work. I am of the opinion that you
should simply accept that mid-directory block ino == 0 is
acceptable rather than trying to `fix' the problem.
Bleh, well I guess not too surprisingly, there is a case in
ufs_direnter() (ufs_lookup.c) where the kernel does the wrong thing
when a mid-block entry has d_ino == 0. The result can be serious
directory corruption, and the bug has been there since the Lite/2
merge:
# fetch http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~iedowse/FreeBSD/dirbug_img.gz
Receiving dirbug_img.gz (6745 bytes): 100%
6745 bytes transferred in 0.0 seconds (4.69 MBps)
# gunzip dirbug_img.gz
# mdconfig -a -t vnode -f dirbug_img
md0
# fsck_ffs /dev/md0
** /dev/md0
** Last Mounted on /mnt
** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes
** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups
20 files, 1 used, 2638 free (14 frags, 328 blocks, 0.5% fragmentation)
# mount /dev/md0 /mnt
# touch /mnt/ff12
# umount /mnt
# fsck_ffs /dev/md0
** /dev/md0
** Last Mounted on /mnt
** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes
** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
DIRECTORY CORRUPTED I=2 OWNER=root MODE=40755
SIZE=512 MTIME=Aug 21 22:28 2001
DIR=/
SALVAGE? [yn]
The bug is that when compressing directory blocks, the code trusts
the DIRSIZ() macro to calculate the amount of data to be bcopy'd
when moving a directory entry. If d_ino is zero, DIRSIZ() cannot
be trusted, so random bytes in unused portions of the directory
determine how much gets copied. I think it is very unlikely in
practice for the value returned by DIRSIZ() to be harmful, but fsck
certainly doesn't check it so this bug can be triggered after other
types of corruption have been repaired by fsck.
I just found this while looking for a dirhash bug - the dirhash
code didn't check for d_ino == 0 when compressing directories,
so it would freak when it couldn't find the entry to move. The
patch below should fix both these issues, and it makes it clearer
that DIRSIZ() is not used when d_ino == 0.
Any comments welcome. The patch is a bit larger than it needs to
be, but that directory compression code is so hard to understand
that I think it is worth clarifying it slightly :-)
Ian
Index: ufs_lookup.c
===
RCS file: /FreeBSD/FreeBSD-CVS/src/sys/ufs/ufs/ufs_lookup.c,v
retrieving revision 1.52
diff -u -r1.52 ufs_lookup.c
--- ufs_lookup.c2001/08/18 03:08:48 1.52
+++ ufs_lookup.c2001/08/21 23:59:09
@@ -869,26 +869,38 @@
* dp-i_offset + dp-i_count would yield the space.
*/
ep = (struct direct *)dirbuf;
- dsize = DIRSIZ(OFSFMT(dvp), ep);
+ dsize = ep-d_ino ? DIRSIZ(OFSFMT(dvp), ep) : 0;
spacefree = ep-d_reclen - dsize;
for (loc = ep-d_reclen; loc dp-i_count; ) {
nep = (struct direct *)(dirbuf + loc);
- if (ep-d_ino) {
- /* trim the existing slot */
- ep-d_reclen = dsize;
- ep = (struct direct *)((char *)ep + dsize);
- } else {
- /* overwrite; nothing there; header is ours */
- spacefree += dsize;
+
+ /* Trim the existing slot (NB: dsize may be zero). */
+ ep-d_reclen = dsize;
+ ep = (struct direct *)((char *)ep + dsize);
+
+ loc += nep-d_reclen;
+ if (nep-d_ino == 0) {
+ /*
+* A mid-block unused entry. Such entries are
+* never created by the kernel, but fsck_ffs
+* can create them (and it doesn't fix them).
+*
+* Add up the free space, and initialise the
+* relocated entry since we don't bcopy it.
+*/
+ spacefree += nep-d_reclen;
+ ep-d_ino = 0;
+ dsize = 0;
+ continue;
}
dsize = DIRSIZ(OFSFMT(dvp), nep);
spacefree += nep-d_reclen - dsize;
#ifdef UFS_DIRHASH
if (dp-i_dirhash != NULL)
- ufsdirhash_move(dp, nep,
Re: Disk I/O problems with -current.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:54:35PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 11:52:07AM +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: I'm having strange problems with -current on a laptop with 64mb of memory. Periodically things go strange [tm]. Because of the lack of memory I'm using a fair amount of swap. Everything runs smoothly up until a point, which seems to depend upon not running too many large processes for too long. Then the file system grinds to a halt for seconds at a time. Some processes run, and others just hang. Yes, I see almost exactly the same thing (except that I haven't noticed any processes which stay running during the freeze -- things like keyboard and mouse activity in X or the console always freeze). Mine could well be swap related too, though I have 128MB of memory. I really think developers should be made to run -current on an old, slow, crippled machines so they notice this kind of thing which would be lost in the noise on their fast machines :-) Hrm, I'm even seeing this on my thunderbird 1100 with 256mb ram. Sometimes I even get a Bus I/O error when I try to do too much when this happens. I have all kernel debugging options turned off, but I can turn them on if this is something you can debug with gdb. -- David W. Chapman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Raintree Network Services, Inc. www.inethouston.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD Committer www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: libss termination
Terry Lambert wrote: Peter Wemm wrote: As far as I can tell, there's nothing in the tree which uses libss any longer, and hasnt been for quite some time. Is there any reason to keep it? Nope. Right. Kill it. Are there any ports which depnd on it, and thus assume it's in the base system, which will need to be hacked to have a libss port on which they will need to depend? Well, why not have a look and find out? If so, supplying a list is more productive than making somebody else go and look for you. It's not as easy as you paint it, since there are a lot of things that run config scripts and just magically find all sorts of libraries you never knew you had. It should be pretty straightforward on the ports-building system; remove libss and run the full-up ports build. -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters Softweyr LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Disk I/O problems with -current.
Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 11:52:07AM +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: I'm having strange problems with -current on a laptop with 64mb of memory. Periodically things go strange [tm]. Because of the lack of memory I'm using a fair amount of swap. Everything runs smoothly up until a point, which seems to depend upon not running too many large processes for too long. Then the file system grinds to a halt for seconds at a time. Some processes run, and others just hang. Yes, I see almost exactly the same thing (except that I haven't noticed any processes which stay running during the freeze -- things like keyboard and mouse activity in X or the console always freeze). Mine could well be swap related too, though I have 128MB of memory. I really think developers should be made to run -current on an old, slow, crippled machines so they notice this kind of thing which would be lost in the noise on their fast machines :-) I've also noticed this... Sunday and yesterday, I deleted ALL installed -ports and -packages thinking that the meinproc issue with kde-2.2 was being caused by conflicts in libraries and/or include files [it's not either] on this system which has had about three years since a good clean scrubbing... While I was busy recompiling the basics, I noted that the disk activity would stop, and the console become non-responsive, yet there was no panic or other kernel message. This was happening consistantly for about 12 hours or so, and I had to back down from 5 or 6 parallel -ports compiles to one and two in parallel. I also have noted that when switching VTY [by hand, or when exiting X] the system would panic on mwrite and give message about the possibility of buffers being wierded out POSSIBLY [the message was a question]. I also noted on several instances that the freezes would occur when there is heavy disk and CPU activity combined with network access [this may or may not be a contributing factor, I don't know] such as fetching a distribution file. I have also noticed extreme slowness when disk activity occurs. top will show almost no CPU being used, but when there is something being copied or moved, everything becomes REALLY sluggish. This has only been noticed in kernels of the last month or so. Tyan S1696-DLUA MoBo, 2 ATAPI busses in use 20G-pri-master, 12G-pri-slave, HP burner sec-master, 2 SCSI-UW busses in use ST15150W dedicated bus, NEC CD-ROM and HP DDS2 on second bus, LinkSys [dc0] 10/100 ethernet, DEC DEFPA SAS UTP-PMD, SB-Live!/Value, Hauppauge WinTV/Theatre. dual P-II/333's, 512Megs SDRAM. Matrox MGA-G200 AGP. USB CompactFlash/SmartMedia reader. -CURRENT as of 3am CDT today. I noticed a lot of changes last night, especially in the vm code, and I'll wait and see if this fixes anything I've noted... Man them cvsup servers were slow this morning! jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Panic with latest current/UFS_DIRHASH
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ollivier Robert writes: According to Ollivier Robert: Just upgraded my laptop to the latest current and during installworld, got this panic: panic: ufsdirhash_findslot: 'ka_JP.Shift_JIS' not found Thanks for the bug report - see my other mail to -current for further details, but the quick answer is that dirhash has a bug that is triggered by the odd directory entries that fsck sometimes leaves behind. This short patch should fix it: Ian Index: ufs_lookup.c === RCS file: /FreeBSD/FreeBSD-CVS/src/sys/ufs/ufs/ufs_lookup.c,v retrieving revision 1.52 diff -u -r1.52 ufs_lookup.c --- ufs_lookup.c2001/08/18 03:08:48 1.52 +++ ufs_lookup.c2001/08/22 00:27:17 @@ -884,7 +884,7 @@ dsize = DIRSIZ(OFSFMT(dvp), nep); spacefree += nep-d_reclen - dsize; #ifdef UFS_DIRHASH - if (dp-i_dirhash != NULL) + if (dp-i_dirhash != NULL nep-d_ino) ufsdirhash_move(dp, nep, dp-i_offset + loc, dp-i_offset + ((char *)ep - dirbuf)); #endif To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: syscons VTY switch panic...
Do you by any chance use a VESA mode in text vtys? The vesa module in -CURRENT has problems now. If you try to set the VESA_800x600 mode in syscons, you will likely to hang your machine. This is a known problem, and is somewhat related to vm86 and context switching. I am afraid there is no immediate fix for it. Kazu I am getting this with regularity now. The one time I was available to see the panic, I forgot to go into the debugge r and do a traceback, but it had something to do with a mwrite, and had a line concerning [maybe a buffer is?]... I know this isn't much to go on, but that's what I have. I'll get more info w hen I feel like wasting ten or fifteen minutes for a double-reboot... [is it necessary to do the `shutdown -r now` to write a new entropy, or can we just keep going if it boots without the proper entropy?]... I have pretty much isolated this to VTY switching via syscons. Occasionally, it will leave the system speaker in a constant tone until it reboots. This is very noticable then X exits. jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: syscons VTY switch panic...
Actually, I have tried to get the VESA splash thing going, but never can get anything to display... I can try removing that... I believe it is still set up this way... What are the limitations on image size and color-depth for the boot splash thing? Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote: Do you by any chance use a VESA mode in text vtys? The vesa module in -CURRENT has problems now. If you try to set the VESA_800x600 mode in syscons, you will likely to hang your machine. This is a known problem, and is somewhat related to vm86 and context switching. I am afraid there is no immediate fix for it. Kazu I am getting this with regularity now. The one time I was available to see the panic, I forgot to go into the debugge r and do a traceback, but it had something to do with a mwrite, and had a line concerning [maybe a buffer is?]... I know this isn't much to go on, but that's what I have. I'll get more info w hen I feel like wasting ten or fifteen minutes for a double-reboot... [is it necessary to do the `shutdown -r now` to write a new entropy, or can we just keep going if it boots without the proper entropy?]... I have pretty much isolated this to VTY switching via syscons. Occasionally, it will leave the system speaker in a constant tone until it reboots. This is very noticable then X exits. jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Disk I/O problems with -current.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:42:55PM -0500, Jim Bryant wrote: Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 11:52:07AM +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: I'm having strange problems with -current on a laptop with 64mb of memory. Periodically things go strange [tm]. Because of the lack of memory I'm using a fair amount of swap. Everything runs smoothly up until a point, which seems to depend upon not running too many large processes for too long. Then the file system grinds to a halt for seconds at a time. Some processes run, and others just hang. Yes, I see almost exactly the same thing (except that I haven't noticed any processes which stay running during the freeze -- things like keyboard and mouse activity in X or the console always freeze). Mine could well be swap related too, though I have 128MB of memory. I really think developers should be made to run -current on an old, slow, crippled machines so they notice this kind of thing which would be lost in the noise on their fast machines :-) I've also noticed this... Sunday and yesterday, I deleted ALL installed -ports and -packages thinking that the meinproc issue with kde-2.2 was being caused by conflicts in libraries and/or include files [it's not either] on this system which has had about three years since a good clean scrubbing... While I was busy recompiling the basics, I noted that the disk activity would stop, and the console become non-responsive, yet there was no panic or other kernel message. This was happening consistantly for about 12 hours or so, and I had to back down from 5 or 6 parallel -ports compiles to one and two in parallel. I also have noted that when switching VTY [by hand, or when exiting X] the system would panic on mwrite and give message about the possibility of buffers being wierded out POSSIBLY [the message was a question]. I also noted on several instances that the freezes would occur when there is heavy disk and CPU activity combined with network access [this may or may not be a contributing factor, I don't know] such as fetching a distribution file. I have also noticed extreme slowness when disk activity occurs. top will show almost no CPU being used, but when there is something being copied or moved, everything becomes REALLY sluggish. This has only been noticed in kernels of the last month or so. 3/4th's of these problems describe ones I am having. I have a Gigabyte 7ZX w/ thunderbird 1100 256mb ram. 3c905b. I'm running -current as of 1.5 weeks ago. nvidia geforce DDR and sb 128(onboard). My drives are IDE w/ 1 cdrom and 1 scsi burner. Tyan S1696-DLUA MoBo, 2 ATAPI busses in use 20G-pri-master, 12G-pri-slave, HP burner sec-master, 2 SCSI-UW busses in use ST15150W dedicated bus, NEC CD-ROM and HP DDS2 on second bus, LinkSys [dc0] 10/100 ethernet, DEC DEFPA SAS UTP-PMD, SB-Live!/Value, Hauppauge WinTV/Theatre. dual P-II/333's, 512Megs SDRAM. Matrox MGA-G200 AGP. USB CompactFlash/SmartMedia reader. -CURRENT as of 3am CDT today. I noticed a lot of changes last night, especially in the vm code, and I'll wait and see if this fixes anything I've noted... Man them cvsup servers were slow this morning! Please let me know, I'd definitely make world if this fixes those problems. I'd be more than willing to test any patches anyone can think to send me. -- David W. Chapman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Raintree Network Services, Inc. www.inethouston.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD Committer www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 08:27:21AM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: Or, simply unplug the harddrive from your laptop and plug it into another machine to do the install. When I fubar'ed my laptop's fs not too long ago, I hot-plugged my laptop harddrive into my desktop, issued an atacontrol reinit, and proceeded to merrily run sysinstall under a chroot. Of course, this is by no means the proper way, but it gets the job done... This idea will work since I can always use the notebook hDD with the adapter to the desktop but what does the atacontrol reinit do exactly since couldn't I just do a fresh install and just move the drive? atacontrol allows for hot-swapping of ata devices. Don't worry about it if you just plan on installing the laptop drive and turning on the computer. It'll act like any other normal drive. -Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Adaptec 7899 on-board controller and 4.4-RC
I have 2 such controlers in a Dell 6400. Both did work on 4.3-STABLE, updated about 4 weeks ago. After upgrade to 4.4-RC none of them is detected during boot. Did the ahc driver `suffer' some dramatic changes lately? /S To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: syscons VTY switch panic...
Would you please remove the vesa driver from the kernel and do not try loading the vesa module either, and see if things work? Actually, I have tried to get the VESA splash thing going, but never can get a nything to display... I can try removing that... I believe it is still set up this way... What are the limitations on image size and color-depth for the boot splash thi ng? The image must have 256 colors. Its size must be 1024x768 or smaller. If you don't have the vesa support in the kernel, the maximum size is 320x200. Kazu Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote: Do you by any chance use a VESA mode in text vtys? The vesa module in -CURRENT has problems now. If you try to set the VESA_800x600 mode in syscons, you will likely to hang your machine. This is a known problem, and is somewhat related to vm86 and context switching. I am afraid there is no immediate fix for it. Kazu I am getting this with regularity now. The one time I was available to see the panic, I forgot to go into the debug ge r and do a traceback, but it had something to do with a mwrite, and had a line concerning [maybe a buffer is?]... I know this isn't much to go on, but that's what I have. I'll get more info w hen I feel like wasting ten or fifteen minutes for a double-reboot... [is it necessary to do the `shutdown -r now` to write a ne w entropy, or can we just keep going if it boots without the proper entropy?]... I have pretty much isolated this to VTY switching via syscons. Occasionally , it will leave the system speaker in a constant tone until it reboots. This is very noticable then X exits. jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Copyright Contradiction in libalias
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nate Williams writes: : | If you ever claimed to hold the copyright to software that has been : | released into the public domain, you would be commiting fraud. : | : | Not if I'm the author of the software. : | : | I can release my software under as many licenses as I'd like, including : | putting it into the public domain. : : Once it's in the Public Domain you have abandoned your claim to copyright. : : On that released version, yes. But, not on subsuquent versions. I : still maintain my rights to do with the code as I please. Then you are creating a new work, based on the public domain work that went before it. : | As the original author, you never lose your rights to the software, : | unless you assign your rights away to another entity, who knows has the : : Or you abandon those rights by releasing it into the Public Domain. : : See above. But Andrew is right here. You lose your rights to it when you abandoned your copyright to place it in the public domain. Public Domain is a specific, legal term with legal consequences. It means you have no rights whatsoever to the work and others can do whatever they like with the work., : | Back to the original question, Charles Mott is the original author of : | said code, and he can release his software under any license he so : | pleases. If someone has a copy of his software released under the PD : | license, they are free to do with it as they please. However, he can : | *also* release a version under the BSD license (which he has), and that : | version is now being distributed by FreeBSD. This is all completely : | free and legal, because Charles is within his legal rights to do so. : : The Public Domain is not a license, it is an abandonment of copyright. : : That's not how I understand it to be, from speaking with lawyers on it. Your understanding differs greatly from my understanding. And I've spoken to legal departments in many different companies, read many different articles on Copyright vs Public Domain, etc. I've been in charge of placing proper copyright notices in files, drafting such notice, etc. : If you find a piece of code, without a license attached, then copyright : law prevents you from copying, modifying or redistributing that code : (or book, or music) without written permission. : : I believe this is part of the Berne Convention, no? (And, it's not : necessarily agreed upon by *all* countries in the world, hence the : reason why certain companies explicity deny you to download software in : certain countries. I believe Libya is one...) Taiwan didn't agree to the Berne Convention either.. The reason that ocmpanies explicitly deny downloading software to certain countries is that the US has an embargo against those countries and the import of anything without an explicit license from the state department is forbidden. : The GPL was born because Stallman got burnt by releasing a version of : emacs (I think) into the Public Domain. : : I don't believe it was PD code. However, RMS never explicitly listed : the rights the users had, and another company took the software, : modified it, and started selling it as commercial software. RMS still : had the rights on his original software, but he couldn't 'go back' and : take away the rights he had granted in his initial release, so he : couldn't stop the company from making money on 'his work'. RMS's legal claims were murkey at best. : I A company started selling it, : and RMS had no claim to any of the monies, nor could he stop them from : selling a binary only version of it (or selling it at all), nor could he : force them to acknowledge it was written by him. : : Actually, if I remember correctly, the company did acknowledge that he : wrote it, but that didn't help his cause. (I actually got a catalog : from the company in question, but I can't remember the name offhand). : : He was free to re-use the same software, and release it under a : different license for use in EMACS. (I believe that EMACS still : contains some of the original LISP macros he initially developed, but : they are now under the GPL license.) Actually, if you read the history, you'll find that what happened was that Gosling released emacs. Stallman started hacking on it. Stallman got an email from Gosling granting him rights to distribute the derived work. Gosling then sold it to Unipress. Unipress went after Stallman for distributing their copyrighted code. Stallman couldn't find the email from Gosling conferring him these rights (his claim was that it was on a backup tape he couldn't read), so he had to abandon the work he did on Gosling emacs. He rewrote everything in what would become gnu emacs. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
