On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Glen Barber wrote:
> With additional tweaks, I was able to get the CD to boot both with
> a real internal CD-ROM drive, as well as USB CD-ROM.
>
> I have uploaded a disc1.iso image here:
>
> https://people.freebsd.org/~gjb/disc1_uzip.iso
>
> Could people try this
On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 11:13:56PM +, Glen Barber wrote:
> Could people try this on various hardware, KVM setups, and so on? I'm
> mainly interested if you get to the bsdinstall(8) screen, not issues not
> directly related to using GEOM_UZIP to compress the image further.
> (Meaning, I'm not a
With additional tweaks, I was able to get the CD to boot both with
a real internal CD-ROM drive, as well as USB CD-ROM.
I have uploaded a disc1.iso image here:
https://people.freebsd.org/~gjb/disc1_uzip.iso
Could people try this on various hardware, KVM setups, and so on? I'm
mainly interested
Thank you for the additional information.
I finally found my old laptop's internal CD-ROM drive, so I'll be able
to at least check if the issue is USB-related. I just need to open the
laptop to install it. After which I'll tinker with the cluster sizes
and test further.
Glen
On Wed, Jul 13, 20
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Glen Barber wrote:
>
> > Just replying to the first email in the thread, since it's a general
> > reply, and only related to the original topic at hand, and only for
> > informative purposes at this point.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:01:51PM +0200, Ronald
Hi Glen, nice update, glad being of some help. The slowdown may be related
to the fact that geom_uzip reads whole compressed cluster, which is 20-30k
typically, even if only single block from that cluster is requested. I
imagine it might impact rc.d, which is essentially bunch of small(ish)
shell s
Just replying to the first email in the thread, since it's a general
reply, and only related to the original topic at hand, and only for
informative purposes at this point.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:01:51PM +0200, Ronald Klop wrote:
> Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Steve Rikli wrote:
> I haven't done it in a very long time (circa FreeBSD-6) but PXE installs
> were possible back then, so I'd hope that's still a possibility in 11.
>
> Are there mostly current docs for that routine these days?
>
> Cheers,
> sr.
This has become
There's a lot more in GENERIC, and we still build things twice - once
as modules, and then also inside the GENERIC image.
Hopefully warner (and others who may help!) can push forward the "bus
enumerate" bits early on in -12 so we can just use a modules-driven
kernel on platforms where that's now m
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:05:06 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 02:05:32PM -0700, Chris H wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:09:10 +0930 Shane Ambler
> > wrote
> > > On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote:
> > > > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now per
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:09:09PM +0200, Ronald Klop wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:24:10 +0200, Conrad Meyer wrote:
>
> > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe
> > it's time to move on from CD.
>
> Becoming anecdotal now, but my fairly old computer has a (BIOS
Hi Maxim,
Ok, thanks for the information. I'm glad you replied, because I what
I was going to do was wrong. I'm testing things now, and if it works,
would integrate this into the build.
Thank you for providing this information.
Glen
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 07:22:58AM -0700, Maxim Sobolev wrot
Glen, UFSFILE here is the path to the UFS file system input image that can
be created either via attaching file (vnode) with mdconfig, doing newfs
mdX, mount mdX etc or by using mkimg tool. The UZPFILE is resulting CLOOP
image, temporary file. ISOFILE is the output file (ISO). Let me know if you
ha
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 01:52:13PM +, Glen Barber wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 05:23:32PM -0700, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> > P.S. Just in case if somebody wants to integrate this method into FreeBSD
> > liveCD build, we do a bit of trick there by making normal ISO9660 file
> > system with comp
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 05:23:32PM -0700, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> P.S. Just in case if somebody wants to integrate this method into FreeBSD
> liveCD build, we do a bit of trick there by making normal ISO9660 file
> system with compressed kernel and relevant boot pieces and then also
> sticking in BS
On 13 Jul 2016, at 10:17, O. Hartmann wrote:
>
> A CD is still a used media, but it starts getting squeezy on it as certain
> software starts to grow - as CLANG/LLVM does. Maybe it is time to have also
> CDs
> as "miniboot" and DVDs for a more complete installation media?
I completely agree. I
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:05:06 +0300
Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 02:05:32PM -0700, Chris H wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:09:10 +0930 Shane Ambler
> > wrote
> > > On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote:
> > > > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 02:05:32PM -0700, Chris H wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:09:10 +0930 Shane Ambler wrote
>
> > On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote:
> > > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe
> > > it's time to move on from CD.
> >
> > +1 on dropping
On 12/07/16 15:58, Steven Hartland wrote:
> On 12/07/2016 21:50, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 01:39:34PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe Tier 2 can deal with just bootonly.iso. Or your machines should
>>> be dropped from Tier 2 if they don't support USB and we aren'
On 12/07/2016 22:20, Ed Schouten wrote:
2016-07-11 23:01 GMT+02:00 Ronald Klop :
Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on
Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB CD-r.
I remember back in the days we also had a 'miniinst' CD, which was
identic
2016-07-11 23:01 GMT+02:00 Ronald Klop :
> Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on
> Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB CD-r.
I remember back in the days we also had a 'miniinst' CD, which was
identical to 'bootonly', but at least containe
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 09:58:08PM +0100, Steven Hartland wrote:
> On 12/07/2016 21:50, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 01:39:34PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote:
> >
> >> Maybe Tier 2 can deal with just bootonly.iso. Or your machines should
> >> be dropped from Tier 2 if they do
I haven't done it in a very long time (circa FreeBSD-6) but PXE installs
were possible back then, so I'd hope that's still a possibility in 11.
Are there mostly current docs for that routine these days?
Cheers,
sr.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 01:39:34PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote:
> Maybe Tier 2 can
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:09:10 +0930 Shane Ambler wrote
> On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote:
> > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe
> > it's time to move on from CD.
>
> +1 on dropping CD images. I haven't burnt a CD in over 10 years and I
> don't believe
On 12/07/2016 21:50, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 01:39:34PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote:
Maybe Tier 2 can deal with just bootonly.iso. Or your machines should
be dropped from Tier 2 if they don't support USB and we aren't okay
with dropping disc1 support for all of Tier 2.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 01:39:34PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote:
> Maybe Tier 2 can deal with just bootonly.iso. Or your machines should
> be dropped from Tier 2 if they don't support USB and we aren't okay
> with dropping disc1 support for all of Tier 2.
>
> There's lots of aging hardware we don't
Maybe Tier 2 can deal with just bootonly.iso. Or your machines should
be dropped from Tier 2 if they don't support USB and we aren't okay
with dropping disc1 support for all of Tier 2.
There's lots of aging hardware we don't support in modern FreeBSD,
including alpha and ia64. USB is 20 years yo
On 12/07/2016 20:52, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 04:09:10PM +0930, Shane Ambler wrote:
+1 on dropping CD images.
I have 24U of things that don't have DVD players, including some tier-2
machines for which no upgrade is available.
Any no USB?
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 04:09:10PM +0930, Shane Ambler wrote:
> +1 on dropping CD images.
I have 24U of things that don't have DVD players, including some tier-2
machines for which no upgrade is available.
mcl
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Another option for the kvm installs and that we are using for many years
here is to pre-load root UZIP image into RAM. With some easy trimming you
can bring base system down to 30MB or so compressed. Yes, bit of delay to
load, but the kernel alone is around 10MB compressed, so it's not an order
of
On 2016-07-12 11:15, Ngie Cooper (yaneurabeya) wrote:
>
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 06:20, Miroslav Lachman <000.f...@quip.cz> wrote:
>>
>> Paweł Tyll wrote on 07/12/2016 01:22:
>>
>>> Those 3 things should shave off about 130MB of the 173MB needed to fit
>>> on 80-min CD-R. But... why this abstract n
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 06:20, Miroslav Lachman <000.f...@quip.cz> wrote:
>
> Paweł Tyll wrote on 07/12/2016 01:22:
>
>> Those 3 things should shave off about 130MB of the 173MB needed to fit
>> on 80-min CD-R. But... why this abstract number anyway? Why not 650MB
>> CD-R? Why not overburnable
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Paweł Tyll wrote on 07/12/2016 01:22:
Those 3 things should shave off about 130MB of the 173MB needed to fit
on 80-min CD-R. But... why this abstract number anyway? Why not 650MB
CD-R? Why not overburnable 800MB 90-min CD-R or even 870MB 99-min
CD-R? :)
It is not only about the target me
On 07/11/16 23:39, Shane Ambler wrote:
On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote:
DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe
it's time to move on from CD.
+1 on dropping CD images. I haven't burnt a CD in over 10 years and I
don't believe I have seen a CD only drive
Hi!
> On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote:
> > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe
> > it's time to move on from CD.
>
> +1 on dropping CD images.
CD-ROMs are read-only and pretty much secure, USB flash can be used to
attack systems.
Just sayin' 8-}
--
p
On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote:
DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe
it's time to move on from CD.
+1 on dropping CD images. I haven't burnt a CD in over 10 years and I
don't believe I have seen a CD only drive in that time. Even with a CD
size image I
Hello Glen,
> This was actually a known "going to be problem" thing for 11.0. I'm
> looking into how to fix this for 11.0-RELEASE, but right now, there is
> not much more we can exclude from it. :(
While the fact that .xz version is roughly 500MB is quite solid
evidence that one can fi
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:24:10 +0200, Conrad Meyer wrote:
DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe
it's time to move on from CD.
Becoming anecdotal now, but my fairly old computer has a (BIOS) bug which
brakes booting from USB devices. It hangs when it boots with
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:32:34 +0200, Alan Somers
wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop
wrote:
Hi,
Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on
Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB CD-r.
The bootonly iso (281MB) burns and ru
P.S. Just in case if somebody wants to integrate this method into FreeBSD
liveCD build, we do a bit of trick there by making normal ISO9660 file
system with compressed kernel and relevant boot pieces and then also
sticking in BSD label on the same disk image. It turns out ISO9660 and BSD
disklabel
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:39:51 -0400 Allan Jude wrote
> On 2016-07-11 18:33, Chris H wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:46:04 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov
> > wrote >
> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 09:41:44PM +, Glen Barber wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote
You don't need that much for OS really if you compress the underlying FS
(be that ISO9660 or UFS) with the mkuzip. Just as an extreme example of
that, we have liveCD-type image that deals with provisioning a new systems
and troubleshooting issues on around 40MB ISO. That includes nearly all of
the
On 11/07/2016 23:39, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2016-07-11 18:33, Chris H wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:46:04 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov
wrote
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 09:41:44PM +, Glen Barber wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 P
On 2016-07-11 18:33, Chris H wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:46:04 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 09:41:44PM +, Glen Barber wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop
wrote: >> Hi,
Just downl
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:46:04 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 09:41:44PM +, Glen Barber wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop
> > > wrote: >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> Just downloade
Glen Barber wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop wrote:
Hi,
Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on
Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB CD-r.
The bootonly iso
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 09:41:44PM +, Glen Barber wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on
> > >> Windows 10. I
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on
> >> Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB CD-r.
> >>
> >> The boo
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on
>> Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB CD-r.
>>
>> The bootonly iso (281MB) burns and runs ok.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ronald.
Please open
DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe
it's time to move on from CD.
Best,
Conrad
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on
> Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too bi
Hi,
Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on
Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB CD-r.
The bootonly iso (281MB) burns and runs ok.
Regards,
Ronald.
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