Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-03-03 Thread John Baldwin
On 28-Feb-2003 Terry Lambert wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: >> Or you can use PXE at your provisioning center and have the >> BIOS setup to boot from the hard disk first, which will fail >> for the initial boot and fall back to PXE. Then once the box >> is installed you ship it to its destination.

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-03-03 Thread Bruce Evans
On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bruce Evans writes: > > >On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Bruce Evans wrote: > > >> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > >> > My main concern would be if the chips have the necessary "umphf" > >

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-03-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bruce Evans writes: > >On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Bruce Evans wrote: > >> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> > My main concern would be if the chips have the necessary "umphf" > >> > to actually do a real-world job once they're don

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-03-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bruce Evans writes: >On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Bruce Evans wrote: > >> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> > My main concern would be if the chips have the necessary "umphf" >> > to actually do a real-world job once they're done running all the >> > overhea

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-03-02 Thread Bruce Evans
On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Bruce Evans wrote: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > My main concern would be if the chips have the necessary "umphf" > > to actually do a real-world job once they're done running all the > > overhead of 5.0-R. The lack of cmpxchg8 makes the locking horribl

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-03-01 Thread Adam Maas
gt; Cc: "M. Warner Losh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ? > Bob Bishop wrote: > > At 21:06 28/2/03, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > >

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-03-01 Thread Terry Lambert
Bob Bishop wrote: > At 21:06 28/2/03, M. Warner Losh wrote: > >[...] We have some a few embedded systems coming back > >from the field soon and I plan on trying some tests on them (they are > >amd 386, so might not be good for you). [etc] > > IIRC AMD had a mask deal with Intel for the 386, so sho

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-03-01 Thread Bruce Evans
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > My main concern would be if the chips have the necessary "umphf" > to actually do a real-world job once they're done running all the > overhead of 5.0-R. The lack of cmpxchg8 makes the locking horribly > expensive. Actually, the lack of cmpxchg8 on

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-03-01 Thread Bob Bishop
Hi, At 21:06 28/2/03, M. Warner Losh wrote: [...] We have some a few embedded systems coming back from the field soon and I plan on trying some tests on them (they are amd 386, so might not be good for you). [etc] IIRC AMD had a mask deal with Intel for the 386, so should be OK. -- Bob Bishop

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-28 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > Also, 386-core based chips are still in production (or have been in > the last year). It has only been very recently that the embedded > chips have transitioned to 486. Calling them, as others have, 10 > years obsolete is a bit of an overstatement... There is lots of obsolete technolo

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "M. Warner Losh" writes: >Also, 386-core based chips are still in production (or have been in >the last year). It has only been very recently that the embedded >chips have transitioned to 486. Calling them, as others have, 10 >years obsolete is a bit of an oversta

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-28 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "M. Warner Losh" writes: : >In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : >"Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : >: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Baldwin

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "M. Warner Losh" writes: >In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >"Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Baldwin writes: >: >: >I personally think that we should not support the 80386 in 5.x. >: >However when tha

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-28 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Baldwin writes: : : >I personally think that we should not support the 80386 in 5.x. : >However when that has been brought up before there were a lot of : >theoretical

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-28 Thread The Anarcat
On Fri Feb 28, 2003 at 04:42:14PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Baldwin writes: > > >I personally think that we should not support the 80386 in 5.x. > >However when that has been brought up before there were a lot of > >theoretical objections. > > Well, un

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-28 Thread Terry Lambert
John Baldwin wrote: > Or you can use PXE at your provisioning center and have the > BIOS setup to boot from the hard disk first, which will fail > for the initial boot and fall back to PXE. Then once the box > is installed you ship it to its destination. This is a possibility; however, there are

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Baldwin writes: >I personally think that we should not support the 80386 in 5.x. >However when that has been brought up before there were a lot of >theoretical objections. Well, unless somebody actually manages to put a -current on an i386 and run the tests I

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-28 Thread John Baldwin
On 28-Feb-2003 Terry Lambert wrote: > David Schultz wrote: >> Thus spake Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > John Baldwin wrote: >> > > I doubt the usefulness of this. i386 kernels were just accidentally >> > > broken for almost a month and a half without anyone noticing. >> > >> > People who

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-28 Thread John Baldwin
On 28-Feb-2003 Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 3:55 PM -0800 2/27/03, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >>On Thu, Feb 27, 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >> > >... JMB wrote: >> > > I doubt the usefulness of this. i386 kernels were just >> > > accidentally broken for almost a month and a half without >> >

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Matthew N. Dodd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: : > I'm thinking maybe the 5.x release CD's should include: : > GENERIC : > GENERIC +SMP : > GENERIC +VMWARE-friendly settings : > GENERIC fo

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Garance A Drosihn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : I'm thinking maybe the 5.x release CD's should include: : GENERIC : GENERIC +SMP : GENERIC +VMWARE-friendly settings : GENERIC for i386 : : Would that add too much extra work for a 5.x r

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:14:46PM -0500, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > I was evidently under the mistaken impression this was about nuts > > and bolts. If we are to focus on window dressing, we are definitely > > hozed. > > We focus on what's actually useful to the plurality of use

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > I was evidently under the mistaken impression this was about nuts > and bolts. If we are to focus on window dressing, we are definitely > hozed. We focus on what's actually useful to the plurality of users. Support for a processor that was functionally obsolete ten years ago is

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Geoffrey
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, John Baldwin wrote: > It points out that no one uses I386 kernels. Is it more valuable > to have GENERIC_I386 or KDE on disc 1? If it came down to that I > would pick KDE. > This is getting silly. As much respect as I have for you, KDE is not and shouldn't be part o

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 09:38:18PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > Okay, that also makes good sense. But if that is true, then maybe > we should officially tell our users that they *must* stay with the > 4.x-series if they are running 386 hardware. Something like that, yes. I think the impor

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Brad Knowles
At 9:38 PM -0500 2003/02/27, Garance A Drosihn wrote: It's never good to add to your release cycle something you don't build/validate during development. Releases are painful enough that you don't want to turn them into testbeds. If it's not worth testing during development, it's not worth rel

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 3:55 PM -0800 2/27/03, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > >... JMB wrote: > > I doubt the usefulness of this. i386 kernels were just > > accidentally broken for almost a month and a half without > > anyone noticing. > Well, doesn't that suggest that i

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Geoffrey
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 4:04 PM -0500 2/27/03, John Baldwin wrote: > > > >I doubt the usefulness of this. i386 kernels were just accidentally > >broken for almost a month and a half without anyone noticing. > >People wouldn't have noticed if phk@ hadn't asked for a volu

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Makoto Matsushita
drosih> GENERIC +VMWARE-friendly settings It'll be unneeded for further VMware releases. At least, very recent 5-current runs quite fine on my VMware 4 beta. -- - Makoto `MAR' Matsushita To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the m

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Terry Lambert
David Schultz wrote: > Thus spake Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > John Baldwin wrote: > > > I doubt the usefulness of this. i386 kernels were just accidentally > > > broken for almost a month and a half without anyone noticing. > > > > People who build embedded devices that need to be suppo

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 05:29:53PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > >I doubt the usefulness of this. i386 kernels were just accidentally > >broken for almost a month and a half without anyone noticing. > >People wouldn't have noticed if phk@ hadn't asked for a volunteer > >either. I386_CPU kerne

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > John Baldwin wrote: > > I doubt the usefulness of this. i386 kernels were just accidentally > > broken for almost a month and a half without anyone noticing. > > People who build embedded devices that need to be supported in > the field, and want to

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread John Baldwin
On 27-Feb-2003 Terry Lambert wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: >> I doubt the usefulness of this. i386 kernels were just accidentally >> broken for almost a month and a half without anyone noticing. > > People who build embedded devices that need to be supported in > the field, and want to worry abou

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread John Baldwin
On 27-Feb-2003 Garance A Drosihn wrote: >>I doubt the usefulness of this. i386 kernels were just accidentally >>broken for almost a month and a half without anyone noticing. >>People wouldn't have noticed if phk@ hadn't asked for a volunteer >>either. I386_CPU kernel compiles have been broken in

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Terry Lambert
John Baldwin wrote: > I doubt the usefulness of this. i386 kernels were just accidentally > broken for almost a month and a half without anyone noticing. People who build embedded devices that need to be supported in the field, and want to worry about their software, and not the platform it runs

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 4:04 PM -0500 2/27/03, John Baldwin wrote: On 27-Feb-2003 Garance A Drosihn wrote: > I'm thinking maybe the 5.x release CD's should include: GENERIC GENERIC +SMP I plan to make SMP kernels work on a UP machine like they do on all of our other platforms thus obsoleting the need for

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread John Baldwin
On 27-Feb-2003 Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 1:27 PM +0200 2/27/03, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: >>: RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v >>: Working file: GENERIC >>: description: >>: >>: revision 1.296 >>: date: 2001/01/14 10:11:10; author: jhb; state: Exp; l

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > I'm thinking maybe the 5.x release CD's should include: > GENERIC > GENERIC +SMP > GENERIC +VMWARE-friendly settings > GENERIC for i386 GENERIC OLDCARD -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD |

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Scott Long
Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 1:27 PM +0200 2/27/03, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > : RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v > : Working file: GENERIC > : description: > : > : revision 1.296 > : date: 2001/01/14 10:11:10; author: jhb; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 > :

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 1:27 PM +0200 2/27/03, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: : RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v : Working file: GENERIC : description: : : revision 1.296 : date: 2001/01/14 10:11:10; author: jhb; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 : : Remove I386_CPU from GENERIC. Support

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 01:27:55PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 05:35:13AM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: > > > > > * De: Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-02-27 ] > > > [ Subjecte: Any ideas why we can't even boot a

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 05:35:13AM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: > > > * De: Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-02-27 ] > > [ Subjecte: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ? ] > > > Yup. 386dx - 33Mhz. Results below: > > > > > > Loa

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread David Leimbach
I believe i386 compatible code was disabled in the kernel because it was hindering the performance of more advanced Intel based architectures. Supposedly you can build it back in but that would either require building a release yourself or finding someone who already built the i386 version. Might

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread phk
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Schultz writes: >Just out of curiosity, is your agenda to convince everyone to nix >386 support altogether or to fix 386 support? I'm not against >either, although I consider the latter goal to be a bit silly. My agenda is to find some data either in support

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread David Schultz
Just out of curiosity, is your agenda to convince everyone to nix 386 support altogether or to fix 386 support? I'm not against either, although I consider the latter goal to be a bit silly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the messa

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread phk
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoffrey writes: >On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: > >> * De: Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-02-27 ] >> [ Subjecte: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ? ] >> >Yup. 386dx - 33Mhz. Results below: >> > >> >Loaded kern.flp,

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Geoffrey
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: > * De: Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-02-27 ] > [ Subjecte: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ? ] > > Yup. 386dx - 33Mhz. Results below: > > > > Loaded kern.flp, mfsroot.flp, prompted for boot, then core dumped > >

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread leafy
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 04:27:06AM -0600, Juli Mallett wrote: > Was this normal release? I thought I recalled a convo resulting in > the decision that 386 would require special release bits? > -- > Juli Mallett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - AIM: BSDFlata -- IRC: juli on EFnetThe 386 CPU is > already gon

Re: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ?

2003-02-27 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-02-27 ] [ Subjecte: Any ideas why we can't even boot a i386 ? ] > Yup. 386dx - 33Mhz. Results below: > > Loaded kern.flp, mfsroot.flp, prompted for boot, then core dumped > as follows: Was this normal release? I thoug

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Brad Knowles wrote: > Other than that, you should try swapping out as much hardware as > you can -- the cards, the cables, etc If possible, you should > also test with other computers (in case the problem is with one > specific machine when it is running 5.0). Swapping 5.0 out for 4.7

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-05 Thread Brad Knowles
At 10:33 PM -0500 2002/12/04, Craig Reyenga wrote: Unfortunately, I have no extra hardware available to me, so I can't experiment with switches and whatnot. Also, wouldn't some sort of software experimentation be more appropriate, considering that my existing setup works _perfetcly_ in 4.7?

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-04 Thread Craig Reyenga
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Terry Lambert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Christopher J Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 19:32 Subject: Re: Any ideas at all about network problem? > At 12:31 PM +0200 2002/12/03, [EMAIL PR

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-04 Thread ianf
Brad Knowles wrote: > At 12:31 PM +0200 2002/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The two machines involved are connected by a crossover cable: > > I've heard of lots of problems with machines using cross-over > cables. Can you connect the machines through a switch, and ensure > that t

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-04 Thread ianf
Joshua Goodall wrote: > On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:32:58AM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > > At 12:31 PM +0200 2002/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > The two machines involved are connected by a crossover cable: > > > > I've heard of lots of problems with machines using cross-over > > c

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-03 Thread Joshua Goodall
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:32:58AM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 12:31 PM +0200 2002/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The two machines involved are connected by a crossover cable: > > I've heard of lots of problems with machines using cross-over > cables. Can you connect the machin

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-03 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:31 PM +0200 2002/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two machines involved are connected by a crossover cable: I've heard of lots of problems with machines using cross-over cables. Can you connect the machines through a switch, and ensure that they are hard-wired to 100Base-TX full d

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-03 Thread Craig Reyenga
Sure, I'm not sure what to tell you though. If you can tell me what info you need, then I'll find it for you. I sense a small game of chicken meets egg forming here. -Craig - Original Message - From: "Cliff L. Biffle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Well... > My Realtek card in my 5.0 workstation

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-03 Thread Cliff L. Biffle
On Monday 02 December 2002 12:09 pm, Craig Reyenga wrote: > Right on. I hope that you find something because right now it seems > so hopeless. I'd have to say that this is the strangest problem that I've > ever had with FreeBSD. Well... My Realtek card in my 5.0 workstation is fully capable of sat

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-03 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Brad Knowles writes: > At 3:32 PM -0700 2002/12/02, Cliff L. Biffle wrote: > > > One thing I've used in the past that improves Realtek throughput is forcing > > the media type and duplex setting on both ends of the connection. Autodetect > > in the 8139s seems to be unreliable at times.

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-03 Thread ianf
Brad Knowles wrote: > At 12:55 AM -0500 2002/12/02, Craig Reyenga wrote: > > > I just tried a 3com 3c905 NIC (my roommate's) and it _also_ > > transfers slowly (about 3.5MB/sec, so just under half of what i used to > > get with my realtek in -stable). It also spit out a few messages: > >

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Brad Knowles
At 3:32 PM -0700 2002/12/02, Cliff L. Biffle wrote: One thing I've used in the past that improves Realtek throughput is forcing the media type and duplex setting on both ends of the connection. Autodetect in the 8139s seems to be unreliable at times. This is true for most 10/100 Base-T imp

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Cliff L. Biffle
On Monday 02 December 2002 03:05 am, Brad Knowles wrote: > According to all the source modules I've read regarding RealTek > cards, they're about the biggest pieces of hardware garbage that has > ever been inflicted on the free/open community. However, a 3Com card > should be a little better

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:55 AM -0500 2002/12/02, Craig Reyenga wrote: I just tried a 3com 3c905 NIC (my roommate's) and it _also_ transfers slowly (about 3.5MB/sec, so just under half of what i used to get with my realtek in -stable). It also spit out a few messages: According to all the source modules I've r

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Craig Reyenga
a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 13:11 Subject: Re: Any ideas at all about network problem? On Monday 02 December 2002 10:47 am, Craig Reyenga wrote: > Ok, I'm convinced. Clearly I'm the one that has to do the testing > becau

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Cliff L. Biffle
On Monday 02 December 2002 10:47 am, Craig Reyenga wrote: > Ok, I'm convinced. Clearly I'm the one that has to do the testing > because I seem to be the lucky guy with the problem. I'm actually on my way to the office now to set up a test scenario with our 5-current boxen. We've got a whole scad

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Craig Reyenga
Ok, I'm convinced. Clearly I'm the one that has to do the testing because I seem to be the lucky guy with the problem. The super weird thing about all of this is that cpu usage is very minimal during transfers. The 905 card was weird too: it actually ran at 8MB/sec for about 4 sec, then the kernel

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Igor Roboul
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 05:18:34PM +0300, Igor Roboul wrote: > Maybe this is _CABLE_? oops :-( All works fine with 4-STABLE? -- Igor Roboul, System administrator at Speech Technology Center http://www.speechpro.com http://www.speechpro.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsu

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Igor Roboul
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 12:55:39AM -0500, Craig Reyenga wrote: > I just tried a 3com 3c905 NIC (my roommate's) and it _also_ > transfers slowly (about 3.5MB/sec, so just under half of what i used to > get with my realtek in -stable). It also spit out a few messages: Maybe this is _CABLE_? -- Igor

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Cliff Sarginson
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:15:22AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Cliff Sarginson wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 01:27:34AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > [ ... bad throughput on bad NICs ... ] > > > > Mmmm. I use these RTL cheapo nics. I accept the fact they have a bad > > reputation. Howev

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Cliff Sarginson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 01:27:34AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > [ ... bad throughput on bad NICs ... ] > > Mmmm. I use these RTL cheapo nics. I accept the fact they have a bad > reputation. However I have used them for some time, and they have > behaved impeccably. I ha

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Cliff Sarginson
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 01:27:34AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > [ ... bad throughput on bad NICs ... ] > Mmmm. I use these RTL cheapo nics. I accept the fact they have a bad reputation. However I have used them for some time, and they have behaved impeccably. I have noticed no change in throughpu

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Terry Lambert
[ ... bad throughput on bad NICs ... ] Nate Lawson wrote: > > FWIW, the root cause is likely a result of something in the > > last 8 months, which means log2(240)+1 = 8 compiles to find > > the problem on your hardware; if, in the last 2.5 years, > > which we know to be the case, it's log2(2.5*365

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Nate Lawson
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Craig Reyenga wrote: > > I just tried a 3com 3c905 NIC (my roommate's) and it _also_ > > transfers slowly (about 3.5MB/sec, so just under half of what i used to > > get with my realtek in -stable). It also spit out a few messages: > > [ ... ] > > > I'd r

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Craig Reyenga wrote: > I just tried a 3com 3c905 NIC (my roommate's) and it _also_ > transfers slowly (about 3.5MB/sec, so just under half of what i used to > get with my realtek in -stable). It also spit out a few messages: [ ... ] > I'd really rather not play around with different versions of F

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-01 Thread Craig Reyenga
CTED]> To: "Craig Reyenga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 00:06 Subject: Re: Any ideas at all about network problem? > Craig Reyenga wrote: > > It worked fine in 4.7 and all previous versions, just DP2 dunno about DP1. &

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-01 Thread Terry Lambert
Craig Reyenga wrote: > It worked fine in 4.7 and all previous versions, just DP2 dunno about DP1. Well, you will have to back up to a version of the source code before DP2 that didn't have the problem, perform a binary search to find the exact delta that caused the problem, and examine the code di

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-01 Thread Craig Reyenga
It worked fine in 4.7 and all previous versions, just DP2 dunno about DP1. -Craig - Original Message - From: "Terry Lambert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Craig Reyenga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 23:

Re: Any ideas at all about network problem?

2002-12-01 Thread Terry Lambert
Craig Reyenga wrote: > In a recent thread started by me, named "Network is crazy slow in DP2" > I wrote that I'm getting substantially lower speeds than I should be > over my 100mbit link (realtek 8139 on both sides). DP1 have the problem? 4.7? cvs diff DP2 DP1? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send

Re: Any Ideas

2001-02-23 Thread Matt Dillon
:Are you aware of any recent changes that would have caused this :problem? I do not believe that the soft updates changes would :have caused this problem since they were all related to `under :stress' conditions which are not applicable here. : : ~Kirk I haven't made any commits to

Re: any ideas on Vortex?

2000-02-09 Thread Eugene M. Kim
On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: | Just wondering, does anyone know if we will have a working driver for the | Aureal Vortex soundcard by the time 4.0 is released? I'm just curious | because I thought the driver for this card was supposed to be finished a | long time ago.. If my m