Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Glen Barber wrote: > With additional tweaks, I was able to get the CD to boot both with > a real internal CD-ROM drive, as well as USB CD-ROM. > > I have uploaded a disc1.iso image here: > > https://people.freebsd.org/~gjb/disc1_uzip.iso > >

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 11:13:56PM +, Glen Barber wrote: > Could people try this on various hardware, KVM setups, and so on? I'm > mainly interested if you get to the bsdinstall(8) screen, not issues not > directly related to using GEOM_UZIP to compress the image further. > (Meaning, I'm not

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

With additional tweaks, I was able to get the CD to boot both with a real internal CD-ROM drive, as well as USB CD-ROM. I have uploaded a disc1.iso image here: https://people.freebsd.org/~gjb/disc1_uzip.iso Could people try this on various hardware, KVM setups, and so on? I'm mainly

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

Thank you for the additional information. I finally found my old laptop's internal CD-ROM drive, so I'll be able to at least check if the issue is USB-related. I just need to open the laptop to install it. After which I'll tinker with the cluster sizes and test further. Glen On Wed, Jul 13,

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > > > Just replying to the first email in the thread, since it's a general > > reply, and only related to the original topic at hand, and only for > > informative purposes at this point. > > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

Hi Glen, nice update, glad being of some help. The slowdown may be related to the fact that geom_uzip reads whole compressed cluster, which is 20-30k typically, even if only single block from that cluster is requested. I imagine it might impact rc.d, which is essentially bunch of small(ish) shell

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

Just replying to the first email in the thread, since it's a general reply, and only related to the original topic at hand, and only for informative purposes at this point. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:01:51PM +0200, Ronald Klop wrote: > Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Steve Rikli wrote: > I haven't done it in a very long time (circa FreeBSD-6) but PXE installs > were possible back then, so I'd hope that's still a possibility in 11. > > Are there mostly current docs for that routine these days? > > Cheers, >

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

There's a lot more in GENERIC, and we still build things twice - once as modules, and then also inside the GENERIC image. Hopefully warner (and others who may help!) can push forward the "bus enumerate" bits early on in -12 so we can just use a modules-driven kernel on platforms where that's now

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:05:06 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 02:05:32PM -0700, Chris H wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:09:10 +0930 Shane Ambler > > wrote > > > On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > > > DVD-R dates to

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:09:09PM +0200, Ronald Klop wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:24:10 +0200, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe > > it's time to move on from CD. > > Becoming anecdotal now, but my fairly old

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

Hi Maxim, Ok, thanks for the information. I'm glad you replied, because I what I was going to do was wrong. I'm testing things now, and if it works, would integrate this into the build. Thank you for providing this information. Glen On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 07:22:58AM -0700, Maxim Sobolev

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

Glen, UFSFILE here is the path to the UFS file system input image that can be created either via attaching file (vnode) with mdconfig, doing newfs mdX, mount mdX etc or by using mkimg tool. The UZPFILE is resulting CLOOP image, temporary file. ISOFILE is the output file (ISO). Let me know if you

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 01:52:13PM +, Glen Barber wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 05:23:32PM -0700, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > P.S. Just in case if somebody wants to integrate this method into FreeBSD > > liveCD build, we do a bit of trick there by making normal ISO9660 file > > system with

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 05:23:32PM -0700, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > P.S. Just in case if somebody wants to integrate this method into FreeBSD > liveCD build, we do a bit of trick there by making normal ISO9660 file > system with compressed kernel and relevant boot pieces and then also > sticking in

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On 13 Jul 2016, at 10:17, O. Hartmann wrote: > > A CD is still a used media, but it starts getting squeezy on it as certain > software starts to grow - as CLANG/LLVM does. Maybe it is time to have also > CDs > as "miniboot" and DVDs for a more complete installation

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:05:06 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 02:05:32PM -0700, Chris H wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:09:10 +0930 Shane Ambler > > wrote > > > On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > > > DVD-R dates

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 02:05:32PM -0700, Chris H wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:09:10 +0930 Shane Ambler wrote > > > On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe > > > it's time to move on from CD.

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On 12/07/16 15:58, Steven Hartland wrote: > On 12/07/2016 21:50, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 01:39:34PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote: >> >>> Maybe Tier 2 can deal with just bootonly.iso. Or your machines should >>> be dropped from Tier 2 if they don't support USB and we

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On 12/07/2016 22:20, Ed Schouten wrote: 2016-07-11 23:01 GMT+02:00 Ronald Klop : Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB CD-r. I remember back in the days we also had a

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

2016-07-11 23:01 GMT+02:00 Ronald Klop : > Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on > Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB CD-r. I remember back in the days we also had a 'miniinst' CD, which was identical to

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 09:58:08PM +0100, Steven Hartland wrote: > On 12/07/2016 21:50, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 01:39:34PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > > >> Maybe Tier 2 can deal with just bootonly.iso. Or your machines should > >> be dropped from Tier 2 if they

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

I haven't done it in a very long time (circa FreeBSD-6) but PXE installs were possible back then, so I'd hope that's still a possibility in 11. Are there mostly current docs for that routine these days? Cheers, sr. On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 01:39:34PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote: > Maybe Tier 2 can

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:09:10 +0930 Shane Ambler wrote > On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe > > it's time to move on from CD. > > +1 on dropping CD images. I haven't burnt a CD in over 10

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On 12/07/2016 21:50, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 01:39:34PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote: Maybe Tier 2 can deal with just bootonly.iso. Or your machines should be dropped from Tier 2 if they don't support USB and we aren't okay with dropping disc1 support for all of Tier 2.

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 01:39:34PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote: > Maybe Tier 2 can deal with just bootonly.iso. Or your machines should > be dropped from Tier 2 if they don't support USB and we aren't okay > with dropping disc1 support for all of Tier 2. > > There's lots of aging hardware we

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

Maybe Tier 2 can deal with just bootonly.iso. Or your machines should be dropped from Tier 2 if they don't support USB and we aren't okay with dropping disc1 support for all of Tier 2. There's lots of aging hardware we don't support in modern FreeBSD, including alpha and ia64. USB is 20 years

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On 12/07/2016 20:52, Mark Linimon wrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 04:09:10PM +0930, Shane Ambler wrote: +1 on dropping CD images. I have 24U of things that don't have DVD players, including some tier-2 machines for which no upgrade is available. Any no USB?

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 04:09:10PM +0930, Shane Ambler wrote: > +1 on dropping CD images. I have 24U of things that don't have DVD players, including some tier-2 machines for which no upgrade is available. mcl ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

Another option for the kvm installs and that we are using for many years here is to pre-load root UZIP image into RAM. With some easy trimming you can bring base system down to 30MB or so compressed. Yes, bit of delay to load, but the kernel alone is around 10MB compressed, so it's not an order

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On 2016-07-12 11:15, Ngie Cooper (yaneurabeya) wrote: > >> On Jul 12, 2016, at 06:20, Miroslav Lachman <000.f...@quip.cz> wrote: >> >> Paweł Tyll wrote on 07/12/2016 01:22: >> >>> Those 3 things should shave off about 130MB of the 173MB needed to fit >>> on 80-min CD-R. But... why this abstract

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

> On Jul 12, 2016, at 06:20, Miroslav Lachman <000.f...@quip.cz> wrote: > > Paweł Tyll wrote on 07/12/2016 01:22: > >> Those 3 things should shave off about 130MB of the 173MB needed to fit >> on 80-min CD-R. But... why this abstract number anyway? Why not 650MB >> CD-R? Why not

Re: Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

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Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

Paweł Tyll wrote on 07/12/2016 01:22: Those 3 things should shave off about 130MB of the 173MB needed to fit on 80-min CD-R. But... why this abstract number anyway? Why not 650MB CD-R? Why not overburnable 800MB 90-min CD-R or even 870MB 99-min CD-R? :) It is not only about the target

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On 07/11/16 23:39, Shane Ambler wrote: On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote: DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe it's time to move on from CD. +1 on dropping CD images. I haven't burnt a CD in over 10 years and I don't believe I have seen a CD only

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

Hi! > On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe > > it's time to move on from CD. > > +1 on dropping CD images. CD-ROMs are read-only and pretty much secure, USB flash can be used to attack systems. Just sayin' 8-} --

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote: DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe it's time to move on from CD. +1 on dropping CD images. I haven't burnt a CD in over 10 years and I don't believe I have seen a CD only drive in that time. Even with a CD size image

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

Hello Glen, > This was actually a known "going to be problem" thing for 11.0. I'm > looking into how to fix this for 11.0-RELEASE, but right now, there is > not much more we can exclude from it. :( While the fact that .xz version is roughly 500MB is quite solid evidence that one can

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:24:10 +0200, Conrad Meyer wrote: DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe it's time to move on from CD. Becoming anecdotal now, but my fairly old computer has a (BIOS) bug which brakes booting from USB devices. It hangs

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:32:34 +0200, Alan Somers wrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop wrote: Hi, Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

P.S. Just in case if somebody wants to integrate this method into FreeBSD liveCD build, we do a bit of trick there by making normal ISO9660 file system with compressed kernel and relevant boot pieces and then also sticking in BSD label on the same disk image. It turns out ISO9660 and BSD disklabel

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:39:51 -0400 Allan Jude wrote > On 2016-07-11 18:33, Chris H wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:46:04 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov > > wrote > > >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 09:41:44PM +, Glen Barber wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, Jul 11,

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

You don't need that much for OS really if you compress the underlying FS (be that ISO9660 or UFS) with the mkuzip. Just as an extreme example of that, we have liveCD-type image that deals with provisioning a new systems and troubleshooting issues on around 40MB ISO. That includes nearly all of the

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On 11/07/2016 23:39, Allan Jude wrote: On 2016-07-11 18:33, Chris H wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:46:04 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 09:41:44PM +, Glen Barber wrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote: On Mon, Jul

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On 2016-07-11 18:33, Chris H wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:46:04 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 09:41:44PM +, Glen Barber wrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:46:04 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 09:41:44PM +, Glen Barber wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop > > > wrote:

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

Glen Barber wrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop wrote: Hi, Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 09:41:44PM +, Glen Barber wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Alan Somers wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on > >> Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on >> Windows 10. It complained that the ISO is too big for my 700 MB CD-r. >> >> The bootonly iso (281MB) burns and runs ok. >> >> Regards,

Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe it's time to move on from CD. Best, Conrad On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Ronald Klop wrote: > Hi, > > Just downloaded the amd64 BETA1 ISO (873MB) and tried to burn a CD on > Windows 10. It complained