Re: [OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-09 Thread Richard Caley
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Swiger (cs) writes: cs You are correct that one needs to measure the voltage and use the RMS cs value, or DC series equivalent if you like that phrase, in order to cs figure out the power consumption accurately, but an {ammeter, cs amp-meter, DMM} which can

Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Jonathon McKitrick
I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a heavily fanned commercial system) will kill the drives faster and this is a

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Jun 8, 2004, at 8:21 AM, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Not necessarily. If you want to measure it, make sure you have a decent UPS (which

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a heavily fanned commercial

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Jonathon McKitrick
: So *my* summary for your private server would be: : - Leaving it on all day will not kill your harddisks, in the : contrary: even cheap ones will live longer. : - AMD processors tend to run hot, so if you have one, you should : look for a good fan. The guy who built mine installed 2 fans,

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Chiang Seng Chang
I also have an always-on headless server running for like 3 years now without any problem. I use it for: apache, samba, vpn, postfix (the usual server apps). I think the key is to use the minimal (translate: cooler, less power hungry) components. Mine is P2-400 with 5400 rpm HDDs. A UPS would

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Chiang Seng Chang wrote: I also have an always-on headless server running for like 3 years now without any problem. I use it for: apache, samba, vpn, postfix (the usual server apps). I think the key is to use the minimal (translate: cooler, less power hungry) components.

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Chiang Seng Chang
Well... X is not started automatically (a.k.a. no gdm/kdm)... sometimes I'd like to play with some X stuff... I know there are other solution, like build on a fast machine and install onto the slow one. I didn't bother because 1) the server is still working while the upgrade is taking it's

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Richard Caley
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathon McKitrick (jm) writes: jm I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin jm client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of jm power? Turn the monitor off, especially if it is getting old. I have a 19inch

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Jonathon McKitrick
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 05:18:07PM +0100, Richard Caley wrote: : In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathon McKitrick (jm) writes: : : jm I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin : jm client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of : jm

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Jonathon McKitrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 05:18:07PM +0100, Richard Caley wrote: : In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathon McKitrick (jm) writes: : : jm I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin : jm client laptop. Will running it

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Charles Swiger
On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:27 PM, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than necessary during idle time, right? Yes, a flat screen typically uses about 50W; a big CRT might

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Joe Altman
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:21:01PM +0100, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Jonathon McKitrick
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 02:42:16PM -0400, Joe Altman wrote: : Take the side off of your case, turn the open side toward the wall, Why against the wall? So nothing damages it? : with some space between it and the wall. Especially during the summer. My setup has a fan in the back, and also one

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Joe Altman
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 07:51:51PM +0100, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 02:42:16PM -0400, Joe Altman wrote: : Take the side off of your case, turn the open side toward the wall, Why against the wall? So nothing damages it? Yes; spills, flying objects, whatever. Most

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Jonathon McKitrick
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 03:05:14PM -0400, Joe Altman wrote: : Yes; spills, flying objects, whatever. Most importantly, it's not on : the floor, and securely on my desk. I deal w/ the noise by keeping the What is so bad with the floor? : That reminds me: is a CD/RW a feasible data backup device?

[Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Nico Meijer
Hi, What is so bad with the floor? Ever move into a beautiful house only to find the floor *flooded* at the first serious cloud break? ;-) BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent PSU with enough room for some decent 80mm or larger low noise fans rather than

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? I remember having this conversation with someone not too long ago, and our consensus was that flat

Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Nico Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What is so bad with the floor? Ever move into a beautiful house only to find the floor *flooded* at the first serious cloud break? ;-) BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent PSU with enough room for some decent

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Charles Swiger
On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:54 PM, Cordula's Web wrote: AMD processors now have fairly good thermal behavior when they are idle, although it obviously helps if one can enable APCI and power management capabilities to either throttle down the CPU speed or even go into sleep mode. What about other

Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Jason Taylor
Bill Moran wrote: Nico Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What is so bad with the floor? Ever move into a beautiful house only to find the floor *flooded* at the first serious cloud break? ;-) BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent PSU with enough room for some

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Bernt. H
Charles Swiger wrote: On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? I remember having this conversation with someone not too long ago, and our consensus was that flat screens used just as much power

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Charles Swiger
On Jun 8, 2004, at 4:06 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-) What a crazy idea. I seem to remember plugging monitors into a UPS in an attempt to use the cheesy load meter lights to tell which was drawing more juice, when that

[OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Charles Swiger
On Jun 8, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Bernt. H wrote: No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-) Well If it measure trueRMS then you could use it, otherwise no. You are correct that one needs to measure the voltage and use the RMS value, or DC series equivalent if you like that phrase, in order to figure

Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Kent Stewart
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 01:45 pm, Jason Taylor wrote: Bill Moran wrote: Nico Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, sniping a lot off Everything Bill is saying is correct. The best way to cool is to move as much fluid (air is a fluid for the purpose of this discussion) as fast as possible

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Harald Schmalzbauer
Am Dienstag, 8. Juni 2004 16:44 schrieb Peter Ulrich Kruppa: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of power? Is it true that the heat

Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Jason Taylor wrote: Ok, I'll chime in here. Here's what everything I ever learned about heat transfer and fluid flow tells me: Everything Bill is saying is correct. The best way to cool is to move as much fluid (air is a fluid for the purpose of this discussion) as

Re: [still going ... OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Kevin Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Jason Taylor wrote: Ok, I'll chime in here. Here's what everything I ever learned about heat transfer and fluid flow tells me: Everything Bill is saying is correct. The best way to cool is to move as much fluid (air is a

OT: The fan club (was: Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day)

2004-06-08 Thread Jerry Dunham
On 8 Jun 2004 at 13:45, Jason Taylor wrote: Bill Moran wrote: Nico Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent PSU with enough room for some decent 80mm or larger low noise fans rather than opening up the side panel. Perhaps

FreeBSD on Soekris Boards (Was: Re: Leaving a server on all day)

2004-06-08 Thread Cordula's Web
Perhaps something like Soekris boards could be useful? Has someone used them to build a power-saving server? Sure. I've got a Soekris net4801 sitting right next to me which is running some custom network monitoring/IDS/IPS software, and the Via EPIA mini-ITX form factor is another good

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Mike Jeays
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 16:06, Bill Moran wrote: Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? I remember having this conversation with someone

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Robert Huff
Mike Jeays writes: A typical workstation might use 50 watts when idle. If power is 5 cents per KW=hour, it will cost you about $2 a month. 50 watts used to heat your room won't make a lot of difference - just a bit less than a 60 watt light bulb... You might be surprised. We

Re: Leaving a server on all day

2004-06-08 Thread Robert Storey
I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet, but one way to significantly reduce power consumption is to downclock the processor. Yes, that reduces performance, but chances are you won't even notice it unless you're running the server under a heavy load. You said your network consists of two