On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700
Chad Perrin wrote:
> Can we stop trying to dissuade people
> from improving FreeBSD, and from advocating for improvements?
>
i don't think that's really what is happening, chad.
i think there is just some disagreement as to what is considered an
improvement.
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:25 -0700
Chad Perrin wrote:
> His manner of expressing his feelings seems to be to try to crush
> others' beneath his heel. Try examining the definition of the word
> "fair" before you use it in the future.
>
ok, chad, here's what you find on dictionary.com that are re
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 01:46:22PM -0800, prad wrote:
>
> looking further we see:
> "... As a result, FreeBSD may be found across the Internet, in the
> operating
> system of core router products, running root name servers, hosting
> major web sites, and as the foundation for widely used desktop
>
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 01:24:19PM -0800, prad wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:12:19 -0700
> Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> > Please stop trolling.
> >
> chad, i don't think this is fair to wojciech. he is expressing his
> feelings and considerable knowledge about an os that he doesn't want to
> go the w
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:23:03PM -0500, michael wrote:
> I agree. nothing wrong with his posts. the mailing list was never
> described as a warm, social gather. you want answers, and you get them
> here. i for one would rather him be abrupt and short. no need for the
> pomp and circumstance.
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:44:06 -0800, prad wrote:
> may be the mac people can use your line here in one of their
> commercials :D
But only if Mac OS X supports 8.3 filenames. :-)
> > You give them computing power not imaginable 10 years ago, and
> > they treat their system like a worse typewrite
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:46:36PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >>instead. This function sets in configure by program author and when you
> >>working with ports you can play this options
> >
> >I'd love to drop GNOME and KDE support for OO.o, but on my laptop I
> >really don't have the resources
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:03:24 +0100
Polytropon wrote:
> In Germany, we have the term "eierlegende Wollmilchsau" (egg-
> laying wool-milk-sow)
>
that is indeed a great term!
> MICROS~1's customers want bugs, they get bugs because they paid
> for them. :-)
>
:D
may be the mac people can use your l
Julien Cigar said the following on 2008-12-11 14:40:
- Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice or ... is
just inhuman, especially when you cannot use -j for building ports (but
it's being resolved I think).
Of course you can use -j to build ports.
Just cd to/your/port make
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:06:35 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar
wrote:
> in linux:
>
> man command
>
> this manual is no longer maintained. try info, google or wiki. maybe you
> will find your documentation, maybe not.
Or try this with third party software on FreeBSD, for example
with KDE and its a
things changing. Because I have to administer and to program
on FreeBSD, I enjoy (!) the excellent documentation. Everything
is there, from system binaries, configuration files, maintenance
procedures, system calls and kernel interfaces. Just look into
i fully agree with you
the Linux world -
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:03:13 -0800, prad wrote:
> well i thought the 3.9 fish was kinda cute, but beastie is still much
> better!
Yes, it is. =^_^= ---> http://www.spilth.org/pictures/girls/ceren/
--
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa,
Let me jump in again here.
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:46:22 -0800, prad wrote:
> so performance, networking (and presumably serving), storage,
> administration
> and
> documentation
> would seem to be major matters of concern.
That's a valid point. I definitely don't want to see these
things changin
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:30:32 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> for whom? ;) it's just overadvertised nothing more,
>
ya well i'm not trying to do their advertising :D :D
i merely copied it from their page.
we did use openbsd for 1 yr for our servers and it was ok though some
of the default s
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:20:23 -0800
Charlie Kester wrote:
> Goals are one thing. How much progress you've made toward meeting
> your goals is another. This thread has been about some things
> FreeBSD still needs to do in order to meet what do seem to be, after
> all, some of its goals.
>
true,
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:12:19 -0700
Chad Perrin wrote:
> Please stop trolling.
>
chad, i don't think this is fair to wojciech. he is expressing his
feelings and considerable knowledge about an os that he doesn't want to
go the way of certain others. i find he writes concisely and backs up
his stat
Thursday, 11 December 2008 at 12:28:00 +0100, Wojciech Puchar said:
> >
> >The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO work
> >in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good.
>
> in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it paying a
> bit for
Tyson Boellstorff wrote:
On Thursday 11 December 2008 13:55:04 Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:32:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Please stop trolling.
having different opinion than yours isn't trolling.
and i WILL NOT stop writing my opinions just because y
On Thursday 11 December 2008 13:55:04 Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:32:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > >Please stop trolling.
> >
> > having different opinion than yours isn't trolling.
> > and i WILL NOT stop writing my opinions just because your is different.
>
> It's not
On Thu 11 Dec 2008 at 11:32:57 PST prad wrote:
charlie, i think the point of that page is indicated here:
"Here are some examples of the environments in which FreeBSD is used"
these are examples of freebsd's versatility, which is not the same as
saying freebsd is ubiquitously versatile.
admit
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:32:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> >Please stop trolling.
> having different opinion than yours isn't trolling.
> and i WILL NOT stop writing my opinions just because your is different.
It's not just that you have a different opinion than me -- it's that
every t
instead. This function sets in configure by program author and when you
working with ports you can play this options
I'd love to drop GNOME and KDE support for OO.o, but on my laptop I
really don't have the resources to spare for compiling OO.o, so I live
with whatever's in the package. Such is
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 06:38:30PM +0300, Ole wrote:
> Also you can use portupgrade -PP
>
>-PP
> --use-packages-onlyNever use the port even if a package is not avail-
> able either locally or remotely, although you
> still have t
Please stop trolling.
having different opinion than yours isn't trolling.
and i WILL NOT stop writing my opinions just because your is different.
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While OpenBSD has a great reputation as a "server" operating system, it
for whom? ;) it's just overadvertised nothing more, having no adventage
over FreeBSD in any point.
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:09:51 -0800
Charlie Kester wrote:
> The impression I get from the website is that FreeBSD is indeed trying
> to be all things to all people. Did I miss something?
>
charlie, i think the point of that page is indicated here:
"Here are some examples of the environments in wh
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 02:40:06PM +0100, Julien Cigar wrote:
> Just to share my point of view :
>
> I use FreeBSD only since 6.2, before that I was a long-time Debian user.
> For the little experience I have with it I must admit that it looks
> pretty solid and a perfect choice for a "server" (fo
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:28:00PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> >The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO work
> >in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good.
>
> in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it paying a
> bit for wi
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:44:23PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> >that's the most narrow minded post i've seen here since i'm on this group
>
> or your narrow mail reading .
> >As if the only work that can be considered real work is the work you do...
> >
> >The reason why I CAN'T do any ser
On Thu 11 Dec 2008 at 10:37:42 PST prad wrote:
while i agree with you as far as having suitable driver accessibility,
i don't see why one system needs to try to be all things to all people.
I agree. But if FreeBSD isn't trying to be all things to all people,
the implication is that it IS tryin
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:51:22 +1000
Da Rock wrote:
> The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO
> work in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good.
>
i'm not so sure that is really "THAT good". bells and whistles if not
carefully thought out and implemented
Quoting Julien Cigar :
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 15:56 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> - on almost all my machines I have problems with CD/DVD drives, mostly
> things like READ_BIG timeout, etc. I tried almost everything (disabling
> ACPI, DMA, upgrading the drive BIOS, etc), disabling DMA resolved
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:23:04 +0100, Julien Cigar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> you may pkg_add from ftp repository
>
> of course .. too bad that there is no pkg_upgrade
You can use:
portupgrade -PP "pkgname"
This will only use pre-compiled packages to upgrade.
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On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 17:10 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> > "except when i forgot to unmount" -> yep, the problem lies here, it's so
> > natural to just unplug an USB device
>
> it's so natural to unmount device before removing. at least in unix...
>
true too .. :)
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:09:39 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> well - solaris is not that bad. it's unix, you can work on it
> "normally", it's just slow etc...
Considering the things the system is doing for me it certainly is not
slow. It's a rock-solid UNIX but like sendm
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:10:18 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "except when i forgot to unmount" -> yep, the problem lies here,
> > it's so natural to just unplug an USB device
>
> it's so natural to unmount device before removing. at least in unix...
On a modern UNIX (l
"except when i forgot to unmount" -> yep, the problem lies here, it's so
natural to just unplug an USB device
it's so natural to unmount device before removing. at least in unix...
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for multiple OSes, but offers official support for only some of
them. If having vendor support is a deal-breaker - either for
operational or contractual reasons - and the only alternative to
Solaris is Windows
well - solaris is not that bad. it's unix, you can work on it "normally",
it's
Wojciech Puchar writes:
> > At work, FreeBSD and Solaris are present. For some fields of
> > use, I would not FreeBSD instead of Solaris. However, I found
>
> isn't the reason to using solaris just the need to run
> solaris-only binary software?
I believe there are cases where the
Also you can use portupgrade -PP
-PP
--use-packages-onlyNever use the port even if a package is not avail-
able either locally or remotely, although you
still have to keep your ports tree up-to-date so
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 15:56 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > - on almost all my machines I have problems with CD/DVD drives, mostly
> > things like READ_BIG timeout, etc. I tried almost everything (disabling
> > ACPI, DMA, upgrading the drive BIOS, etc), disabling DMA resolved some
> > problems, b
- on almost all my machines I have problems with CD/DVD drives, mostly
things like READ_BIG timeout, etc. I tried almost everything (disabling
ACPI, DMA, upgrading the drive BIOS, etc), disabling DMA resolved some
problems, but it's still impossible to burn a DVD for example.
i don't have. i use
At work, FreeBSD and Solaris are present. For some fields of
use, I would not FreeBSD instead of Solaris. However, I found
isn't the reason to using solaris just the need to run solaris-only binary
software?
no operating system that could replace FreeBSD in the fields
where I use it.
As in
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 08:46:49PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:29 -0500, Jerry wrote:
>
>
> > IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement,
> > it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed
> > a desire to support FreeBSD;
Just to share my point of view :
I use FreeBSD only since 6.2, before that I was a long-time Debian user.
For the little experience I have with it I must admit that it looks
pretty solid and a perfect choice for a "server" (for proof: I replaced
almost all my Debian boxes with FreeBSD, both at wor
BTW on the http://forums.freebsd.org number of multimedia-related questions is
more than server-side ;)
And this is fact - FreeBSD become to Desktop due to work of many peoples who
porting multimedia application to FreeBSD. Therefore
this functional be want. But without good supports of hardware
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:19:14 -0500, Jerry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Define: 'Actual Work'? What you are referring to is that it meets your
> criteria. Everyone's work platform might not be so narrow.
ometimes, "actual work" may be entertainment, gaming, or
programming obscure hardware platforms
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:28:00 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it paying
>a bit for windows is not a problem.
>
>Those who need to do actual work, we have FreeBSD for example
Define: 'Actual Work'? What you are ref
that's the most narrow minded post i've seen here since i'm on this group
or your narrow mail reading .
As if the only work that can be considered real work is the work you do...
The reason why I CAN'T do any serious work on FreeBSD is because it lacks
the NVidia drivers (i'm in the film/comm
On 11 dec 2008, at 12:28, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO
work
in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good.
in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it
paying a bit for windows is not a problem
The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO work
in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good.
in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it paying a
bit for windows is not a problem.
Those who need to do actual work, we have FreeBSD fo
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 12:14 -0800, prad wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:35:17 +0100
> Uwe Laverenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Who is "most freebsd users"?
> >
> i would think most are interested in running servers or routers or
> possible scientific applications or engaged in os study and ap
Da Rock wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:29 -0500, Jerry wrote:
>
>
>
>> IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement,
>> it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed
>> a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization
>>
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:29 -0500, Jerry wrote:
> IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement,
> it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed
> a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization
> to improve its basic produc
Paul B. Mahol writes:
> Simple solution:
> Pay them or someone to do it for you, or hack it yourself, or
> wait for it little longer.
Given nVidia has offered to write and maintain a driver ... if
we're going this route, the correct solution is to pay someone to
make the changes nVidi
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:35:17 +0100
Uwe Laverenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Who is "most freebsd users"?
>
i would think most are interested in running servers or routers or
possible scientific applications or engaged in os study and appreciate
its simplicity and consistency.
i don't think it can
On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 07:18:08PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >Does anyone know of any recent progress on a 64bit Nvidia Driver?
> >there is mention of progress on this page
> >http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=41545&page=24
>
> most freebsd users don't need 3D at all, or don't
On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 07:18:08PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> most freebsd users don't need 3D at all, or don't need super-high-speed
> 3D.
Who is "most freebsd users"? I agree that there are more important
things to worry about than nvidia/amd64 support, but: if you want to buy
a computer
On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 08:29:32AM -0500, Jerry wrote:
>
> IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement,
> it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed
> a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization
> to improve its basic
On 12/7/08, Ole Vole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If only 3D or "super-high-speed" has been affected by this driver.
> Regrettably
> most application simple is not usable, like video-players, google-earth,
> KDE4 - all of that on my desktop station with > 4Gb of RAM is
> looks&works
> like nigh
If only 3D or "super-high-speed" has been affected by this driver. Regrettably
most application simple is not usable, like video-players, google-earth,
KDE4 - all of that on my desktop station with > 4Gb of RAM is looks&works
like nightmare in vesa (xorg nv)-driver. And me too a very long ti
Does anyone know of any recent progress on a 64bit Nvidia Driver?
there is mention of progress on this page
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=41545&page=24
most freebsd users don't need 3D at all, or don't need super-high-speed
3D.
so simply don't use nvidia/ati
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> NVidia, for one, has expressed
> a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization
> to improve its basic product, especially in the 64-bit systems, which
> are the future of computing.
Does anyone know of any recent progress on a 64bit Nvidia Driver?
there is mention of pr
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:40:46 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> manufacturers of hardware. More recently there were times when
>> anybody from
>
>because managers/bosses concentrate on majority, not minority of users.
That is plain good business sense. As Willy Sutton once r
manufacturers of hardware. More recently there were times when anybody from
because managers/bosses concentrate on majority, not minority of users.
manufacturers did not notice Linux. However now it is possible to find a few
given out "put normal OS - their list is at us on a site and then
Hello !
It would be desirable to learn from experienced users OS - why FreeBSD does
not concern the category serious systems at the overwhelming majority of
manufacturers of hardware. More recently there were times when anybody from
manufacturers did not notice Linux. However now it is possible to
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