Re: Tailing logs

2008-08-26 Thread Paul Chvostek

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:28:33AM -0400, DAve wrote:
>
> I would love to have a way to tail a log, like piping to grep, except I
> see every line and the lines I would normally grep for are highlighted.
> That would be cool. Anyone know of a bash command or tool that will do this?

I use tcsh as my shell.  The following alias works nicely for me in
xterm, but would have to be adjusted for anything else:

  alias highlight 'sed -E '\''s/\!:*/^[[1m&^[[0m/g'\'''

Replace "^[" with an escape character, twice.  Put it in your .tcshrc if
you like.  YMMV.

> Side note, I am tailing sendmail after changes to my outbound queue
> runners. I want to highlight my sm-mta-out lines but still see all lines.

Right, I do very similar stuff.  You'd use this like:

  tail -F /var/log/maillog | highlight .*sm-mta-out.*

Quotes seem to confound this alias.  I haven't bothered to fix that; as
long as what you're searching for doesn't glob a file, you should be
fine without quotes.

You can also do more complex things in either sed or awk, colour-coding
individual pattern matches.  Here's one in awk that I use to highlight
the activity of milter-greylist:

  #!/usr/bin/awk -f
  BEGIN {
red="^[[31m"; green="^[[32m";
yellow="^[[33m";  blue="^[[34m";
norm="^[[0m";
fmt="%s%s%s\n";
  }
  /autowhitelisted/ { printf(fmt, green, $0, norm); next; }
  /delayed for/ { printf(fmt, yellow, $0, norm); next; }
  # /skipping greylist/ { printf(fmt, blue, $0, norm); next; }
  { print; }

Same deal with the "^[".

Enjoy.

p

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messagebus user

2008-08-26 Thread jef moskot
We just upgraded to a new server (FreeBSD 7.0) and in our passwd file is 
the user "messagebus" (there's also a group).


What's this for and can the UID be changed?  It's got the same number as 
one of our oldest users and we're trying to determine which UID would be 
easier to switch.


While this obviously has something to do with D-BUS (whatever that is), 
it's nothing we installed "on purpose".  If it's not a part of the default 
system, it probably got bundled in as a dependency during an large port 
make.


Any suggestions?

Jeffrey Moskot
System Administrator
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Re: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo [ a ]

2008-08-26 Thread spellberg_robert

Mark Picone wrote:


it's that i don't recognize so many of the manufacturers names.
some look familiar, but they might just be
  similar to something i remember from long ago.



q:  would anyone care to wax rhapsodic
  about any manufacturer
  with whose heatsink / fan combo product[s]
  they have had good success ?



IMO: Pure copper zalman heatsink/fan combo (cant go wrong)



thank you, mark.

i saw your response first thing this morning.
this was one of the names that looked familiar.

several retailers have these.
attempting research on the product line earlier today,
  i got more info from them
  than i did from the manufacturer's web_site
  [ my pet peeve:  more "presentation", less "content" ].

rob

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Re: Crontab and adjkerntz.

2008-08-26 Thread Ian Smith
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:05:13 +0200 Leslie Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 > I have a machine that only runs during office hours. I've rescheduled 
 > the periodic jobs in crontab so that they run when the machine is on.
 > 
 > My question is can I reschedule the  adjkerntz job as well, without 
 > causing any problems? I'm concerned because the job is set to run 12 
 > times during night time, and I'm thinking that maybe it's a resource hog 
 > and therefore it's not advisible to run it when one uses the machine?
 >
 > # Adjust the time zone if the CMOS clock keeps local time, as opposed to
 > # UTC time.  See adjkerntz(8) for details.
 > 1,310-5 *   *   *   rootadjkerntz -a

Just to add a bit to what Andrew and Matthew rightly said:

sola# lastcomm -eE -f /var/account/acct.0 | grep adjkerntz
adjkerntz-   root __   0.02 es Wed Aug 27 03:01
adjkerntz-   root __   0.00 es Wed Aug 27 02:31
adjkerntz-   root __   0.00 es Wed Aug 27 02:01
adjkerntz-   root __   0.00 es Wed Aug 27 01:31
adjkerntz-   root __   0.00 es Wed Aug 27 01:01
adjkerntz-   root __   0.00 es Wed Aug 27 00:31
adjkerntz-   root __   0.03 es Wed Aug 27 00:01
adjkerntz-   root __   0.00 es Tue Aug 26 05:31
adjkerntz-   root __   0.00 es Tue Aug 26 05:01
adjkerntz-   root __   0.00 es Tue Aug 26 04:31
adjkerntz-   root __   0.00 es Tue Aug 26 04:01
adjkerntz-   root __   0.00 es Tue Aug 26 03:31

After 27+ days uptime, not a full second of CPU time:

  196 root200  1316K 0K pause0:00  0.00%  0.00% 

and that's on a 300MHz Celeron .. so no, it's certainly no resource hog!

The 'adjkerntz -i' run at boot[1] should adjust for a TZ update occuring 
overnight, assuming CMOS has local time (ie /etc/wall_cmos_clock exists)

[1] actually run when going to multi-user, so with CMOS set to local 
time, you should remember to run 'adjkerntz -i' when working in single 
user mode (eg make installworld) if you want correct file timestamps.

cheers, Ian
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Re: mysql-server-5.1.22 system administration docs on FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-i386 ?

2008-08-26 Thread Fraser Tweedale
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 09:57:10PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> freebsd-questions:
> 
> I am a FreeBSB noob who has read http://nostarch.com/abs_bsd2.htm and is
> attempting to build a FreeBSD 7.0 box for Apache/ MySQL/ Perl applications.
> I've installed mysql-server-5.1.22 via sysinstall from ftp1.us.freebsd.org, 
> but
> I am unable to figure out how to start it.
> 
> 
> RTFM:
> 
> # man mysqld
> No manual entry for mysqld
> 
> # makewhatis
> 
> # apropos mysql
> mysql: nothing appropriate
> 
> # whatis mysql
> mysql: nothing appropriate
> 
> I don't understand why apropos and whatis can't find mysql:
> 
> # man mysql
> 
> 
> Yup, it's there; but that's the client.  So is the admin utility:
> 
> # man mysqladmin
> 
> 
> The FreeBSD Handbook doesn't mention mysql in the TOC:
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html
> 
> (Attempting to get the whole thing as HTML locks up my browser.)
> 
> 
> The mailing list archives didn't help.  (Including using Google with site:).
> 
> 
> STFW led me to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server.  Attempting to use that:
> 
> # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server start
> 
> # ps -a | grep mysql
> 
> # mysql
> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
> '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)
> 
> # mysqladmin ping
> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
> error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket 
> '/tmp/mysql.sock'
> (2)'
> Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/tmp/mysql.sock' 
> exists!
> 
> 
> I've been fumbling my way around FreeBSD, and thus far have been able to get
> things working via /etc/rc.d/* scripts and/or /etc/rc.conf --  (apache_enable,
> hostname, ifconfig_*, defaultrouter, ntpd*, inetd.   mysql-5.1 doesn't seem to
> follow the pattern.  Why?
> 
> 
> Where is the FreeBSD 7.0 system administration documentation for mysqld 5.1?
> Specifically, how to start it manually and how to start it at book via the rc
> system?
> 
> 
> TIA,
> 
> David
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Hi,

put the following line in /etc/rc.conf:
mysql_enable="YES"

and run (as root):
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server start

frase


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Re: mysql-server-5.1.22 system administration docs on FreeBSD7.0-RELEASE-i386 ?

2008-08-26 Thread freebsdemail
Try adding mysql_enable="YES" to /etc/rc.conf after this is done try starting 
again via the rc script. In the future pass the parameter rcvar to the rc 
script.

Eg. /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server rcvar
mysql_enable="YES" this would indicate what to add to rc.conf


Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network

-Original Message-
From: "David Christensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:57:10 
To: 
Subject: mysql-server-5.1.22 system administration docs on FreeBSD
7.0-RELEASE-i386 ?


freebsd-questions:

I am a FreeBSB noob who has read http://nostarch.com/abs_bsd2.htm and is
attempting to build a FreeBSD 7.0 box for Apache/ MySQL/ Perl applications.
I've installed mysql-server-5.1.22 via sysinstall from ftp1.us.freebsd.org, but
I am unable to figure out how to start it.


RTFM:

# man mysqld
No manual entry for mysqld

# makewhatis

# apropos mysql
mysql: nothing appropriate

# whatis mysql
mysql: nothing appropriate

I don't understand why apropos and whatis can't find mysql:

# man mysql


Yup, it's there; but that's the client.  So is the admin utility:

# man mysqladmin


The FreeBSD Handbook doesn't mention mysql in the TOC:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html

(Attempting to get the whole thing as HTML locks up my browser.)


The mailing list archives didn't help.  (Including using Google with site:).


STFW led me to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server.  Attempting to use that:

# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server start

# ps -a | grep mysql

# mysql
ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
'/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)

# mysqladmin ping
mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'
(2)'
Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/tmp/mysql.sock' exists!


I've been fumbling my way around FreeBSD, and thus far have been able to get
things working via /etc/rc.d/* scripts and/or /etc/rc.conf --  (apache_enable,
hostname, ifconfig_*, defaultrouter, ntpd*, inetd.   mysql-5.1 doesn't seem to
follow the pattern.  Why?


Where is the FreeBSD 7.0 system administration documentation for mysqld 5.1?
Specifically, how to start it manually and how to start it at book via the rc
system?


TIA,

David

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mysql-server-5.1.22 system administration docs on FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-i386 ?

2008-08-26 Thread David Christensen
freebsd-questions:

I am a FreeBSB noob who has read http://nostarch.com/abs_bsd2.htm and is
attempting to build a FreeBSD 7.0 box for Apache/ MySQL/ Perl applications.
I've installed mysql-server-5.1.22 via sysinstall from ftp1.us.freebsd.org, but
I am unable to figure out how to start it.


RTFM:

# man mysqld
No manual entry for mysqld

# makewhatis

# apropos mysql
mysql: nothing appropriate

# whatis mysql
mysql: nothing appropriate

I don't understand why apropos and whatis can't find mysql:

# man mysql


Yup, it's there; but that's the client.  So is the admin utility:

# man mysqladmin


The FreeBSD Handbook doesn't mention mysql in the TOC:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html

(Attempting to get the whole thing as HTML locks up my browser.)


The mailing list archives didn't help.  (Including using Google with site:).


STFW led me to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server.  Attempting to use that:

# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server start

# ps -a | grep mysql

# mysql
ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
'/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)

# mysqladmin ping
mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'
(2)'
Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/tmp/mysql.sock' exists!


I've been fumbling my way around FreeBSD, and thus far have been able to get
things working via /etc/rc.d/* scripts and/or /etc/rc.conf --  (apache_enable,
hostname, ifconfig_*, defaultrouter, ntpd*, inetd.   mysql-5.1 doesn't seem to
follow the pattern.  Why?


Where is the FreeBSD 7.0 system administration documentation for mysqld 5.1?
Specifically, how to start it manually and how to start it at book via the rc
system?


TIA,

David

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Re: Regular Expression Trouble

2008-08-26 Thread N. Raghavendra
At 2008-08-26T22:12:19-05:00, Martin McCormick wrote:

> I am trying to isolate only the MAC addresses that appear in
> dhcpd logs.
> For anyone who is interested, the sed construct that should do
> this looks like:

It'd be better if you post a few relevant lines of the log file.
Pending that, I suggest awk(1) in case the log file format is similar
to the following snippet of `dhcpd.leases' on an OpenBSD server:

% cat dhcpd.leases
lease 192.168.10.216 {
  starts 3 2008/07/16 23:17:29;
  ends 4 2008/07/17 00:17:29;
  tstp 4 2008/07/17 00:17:29;
  binding state free;
  hardware ethernet 00:1f:c6:81:66:a6;
}
lease 192.168.10.65 {
  starts 4 2008/07/17 11:15:48;
  ends 5 2008/07/18 11:15:48;
  tstp 5 2008/07/18 11:15:48;
  binding state free;
  hardware ethernet 00:16:d3:9e:eb:74;
}

% awk '/hardware ethernet/ { print substr($3, 4, 14) }' dhcpd.leases
1f:c6:81:66:a6
16:d3:9e:eb:74

Raghavendra.

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Re: Joy stick not being detected!

2008-08-26 Thread Ian Smith
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Christopher Joyner wrote:

[adding -questions back into the cc list]

 > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Ian Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > > On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:55:57 + Christopher Joyner wrote:
 > >
 > >  > I have a Gravis GamePad Pro hooked up to a ISA SBLive!
 > >  > emu10k1 loads, but the joy stick is not detected.
 > >  >
 > >  > I am loading the module manually, kldload joy, only loads but no 
 > > feedback.
 > >  >
 > >  > Am I missing something?
 > >
 > > Try the one-line perl example in joy(4) to see if your joystick works,
 > > for some value of 'works' .. ie actually logs changing axis values and
 > > button press/release status.
 > >
 > > I don't think there's any specific support for joysticks, you pretty
 > > much have to write your own.  With what program did you hope to use it?
 > >
 > > Years ago I wrote a little rexx program that read (pseudo) joystick X,Y
 > > values and button (actually relay switch) values for detecting and
 > > controlling shutdown conditions for a simple-interface Liebert UPS,
 > > using the standard joystick / MIDI port on a couple of ISA cards.
 > >
 > > From memory it only worked right when device joy was compiled into
 > > kernel, not kldloaded - but that was way back around FreeBSD 3.3 ..
 > >
 > 
 > 
 > If I wrote my own, could I contribute it to the FreeBSD project?

If it worked, I'm sure you could :)  How many people are hanging out for 
it (ie potential testers) is another matter I guess ..

 > I will try putting this into the kernel and see what happens!

If that one-line perl test works with the SBLive, you've got some hope.

 > I want to use this with an emulator, zsnes.

Does this emulator basically fire up ok on freeBSD?  I can see why the 
joystick would have to work to be able to do anything useful with it.

good luck, Ian
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Re: Regular Expression Trouble

2008-08-26 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008, Martin McCormick wrote:
>I am trying to isolate only the MAC addresses that appear in
>dhcpd logs.
>For anyone who is interested, the sed construct that should do
>this looks like:
>
> sed 's/.*\([[ your regular expression ]]\).*/\1/' 
>
>The \1 tells sed to only print what matched and skip all the rest.
>

I just tried this, and it worked:

sed -n 's;.* to \([0-9:a-z]*\) via.*;\1;p' logfile

It would have been easier in perl or python where one could use
the pattern '.* to (\S+) via.*'.

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Re: Issues while trying to access an Ext3 partition successfully mounted on FreeBSD 7

2008-08-26 Thread Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल
Chris St Denis writes:

[...]

> I had a problem like this trying to mount ext2. The problem was it
> needed to be fscked (unclean shutdown). You'll need to install
> ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs to fsck it under FreeBSD.

Thanks for the reply, but I'm wondering if I fsck it in GNU/Linux,
will that make any difference to it, since e2fsprogs is same ? BtW, it
got fscked around 5-10 times (after every n mounts). Though, I will
explicitly initiate the fsck this time, and will report back any
issues I came across.

Thanks
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AD3RTLANG daughter card not detected under FBSD 7

2008-08-26 Thread Lisandro Grullon
Dear all,
I have been busy this summer. Just got a new board (Mini-ITX) for a
firewall project, I got the add-on module call "AD3RTLANG". The board
is working ok, yet I am experiencing difficulties getting the 3 NIC
module working, any ideas if there is any support on this particular
module. I am aware that FBSD 7 support realtek controllers using the
rl re kernel modules. Can someone point me in the right direction.
Thank you in advance.
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Re: Regular Expression Trouble

2008-08-26 Thread Paul A. Procacci

Martin McCormick wrote:

I am trying to isolate only the MAC addresses that appear in
dhcpd logs.
For anyone who is interested, the sed construct that should do
this looks like:

 sed 's/.*\([[ your regular expression ]]\).*/\1/' 


The \1 tells sed to only print what matched and skip all the rest.

I am doing something wrong with the regular expression
that is supposed to recognise a MAC address. MAC addresses look
like 5 pairs of hex digits followed by :'s and then a 6TH pair
to end the string.

I have tried:

[[:xdigit:][:xdigit:][:punct:]

Sorry. It won't all fit on a line, but there should be a string
of 5 pairs and the : and then the 6TH pair followed by the
closing ] so the expression ends with ]]

One should also be able to put:

[[:xdigit:][:xdigit:][:punct:]]\{5,5\}[[:xdigit:][:xdigit]]

Any ideas as to what else I can try?

What happens is I get single characters per line that look like
the first or maybe the last character in that line, but
certainly nothing useful or nothing that remotely looks like a
MAC address.

Any ideas as to what's wrong with the regular
expression?

Many thanks.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer

OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
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I don't have a seperate dhcp log and you didn't make it clear if you do, 
but I do have something similar written for awk that parses the system 
log file.


awk ' /DHCPREQUEST/ { print $10 } '  /var/log/messages

Maybe that will help.

~Paul
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Re: Fetching precompiled packages for external install

2008-08-26 Thread Polytropon
I'm not sure if I've given a reply, so this might be a double post. :-)

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:36:58 +0300, Manolis Kiagias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It doesn't have to be done through ports, you can still get the packages 
> using pkg_add -r and then recreate them using pkg_create -Rb. Side 
> effect is the packages will be installed on the download machine, and 
> that may not be what you want.

Exactly. If I would have wanted that, my choice would be the tradidtional
way to use portinstall with its -p option, similar to "make package"
from a port's directory.



> But you could probably use a jail to 
> avoid this.

That sounds complicated...



But many thanks for your ideas, I found a way to achieve my goad.
As you will see, the solution is VERY ugly, but it seems to work.
It's a simple script that first downloads the requested package,
then the dependencies it needs are filtered out of the -v messages
of pkg_add. Afterwards, the script is called recursively on these
packages, to do exactly the same as with the requested package.

Here it is:



#!/bin/sh
#
# getpkg.sh 2008-08-19
#
# fetch a precompiled package as well as it dependencies
# for further installation

if [ "$1" = "" ]; then
echo "$0 "
exit 1
fi
echo -n "fetching $1 ... "
if [ -f $1.tbz ]; then
echo "$1.tbz already there"
exit 1
fi
pkg_add -fKnrv $1 > $1.txt 2>&1
echo "done"
for DEP in `cat $1.txt | grep $1 | grep "depends on" | cut -d "'" -f 6 | cut -d 
"/" -f 2`; do
echo "dependency for $1 is ${DEP}"
$0 ${DEP}
done
rm $1.txt
exit 0



One problem that might occur: Do the depencency packages need to
include version numbering? The downloaded packages do not have
a version in their name. I will check if it works, or if the
versions need to be in the package file name.


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Regular Expression Trouble

2008-08-26 Thread Martin McCormick
I am trying to isolate only the MAC addresses that appear in
dhcpd logs.
For anyone who is interested, the sed construct that should do
this looks like:

 sed 's/.*\([[ your regular expression ]]\).*/\1/' 

The \1 tells sed to only print what matched and skip all the rest.

I am doing something wrong with the regular expression
that is supposed to recognise a MAC address. MAC addresses look
like 5 pairs of hex digits followed by :'s and then a 6TH pair
to end the string.

I have tried:

[[:xdigit:][:xdigit:][:punct:]

Sorry. It won't all fit on a line, but there should be a string
of 5 pairs and the : and then the 6TH pair followed by the
closing ] so the expression ends with ]]

One should also be able to put:

[[:xdigit:][:xdigit:][:punct:]]\{5,5\}[[:xdigit:][:xdigit]]

Any ideas as to what else I can try?

What happens is I get single characters per line that look like
the first or maybe the last character in that line, but
certainly nothing useful or nothing that remotely looks like a
MAC address.

Any ideas as to what's wrong with the regular
expression?

Many thanks.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
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Re: I can't make world without the "games" group?

2008-08-26 Thread RW
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:20:31 -0400
Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> I have wondered if it might be reasonable to put a bunch of (more)
> of that sort of stuff in a select list during installation so a
> user can choose right then if certain things will be retained or
> dropped on the floor.   

Most of the base system options are either highly-technical or
bike-shed options like removing games. If those options are exposed in
the installer, they should be buried so deep you need caving equipment.

> Fortune and games and even the latest Perl
> and some other things might be good candidates for that select list.
>
> I know there is a place where you can run through pretty much the
> whole list of ports and select, but that is really too overwhelming.
> I would suggest this be a separate list, mostly limited to those 
> things that many people want (but others don't) in the base system.

Personally I think it's a very bad idea to blur the distinction
between base system and packages in the installer. If you already know
FreeBSD, it's potentially confusing; if you don't it just reinforces
the misconception that everything is a package. 
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Possible hardware damaging bug with halt/reboot!

2008-08-26 Thread Christopher Joyner
I think this thing could break my fan if I left it running.
The fan gets fast, really fast.  Sounds like it's running faster than it can 
handle.

This is using the halt command, during the message that say's,
HALTED, PRESS ANY KEY TO REBOOT.  (not actual message)

I am still looking in the source code hunting for this.
I decided it was best to report now.

I have not seen the loop, but adding sleep(1) in the halt loop, such as a while 
loop,
I think that would make it easier on the cpu.  However I do not know how it 
works, because I have not seen that source code.

 


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Re: DHCP and Encapsulating Vendor Options

2008-08-26 Thread Edwin Groothuis
> I have a need to encapsulate option 125 for my phone system on my isc-dhcp
> server.

See http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/html/cat_DHCP.html#00161 and
http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/html/cat_DHCP.html#00092 for examples
how I did it with APC Power Racks and Cisco phones.

I'm not sure what it expects with hexdata, you should give net/dhcpdump
a try to figure out what goes over the wire!

Edwin

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Re: souce code for the halt program.

2008-08-26 Thread Chuck Swiger

Hi--

On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:47 PM, Christopher Joyner wrote:

How can I get the source code for the /sbin/halt program?
When I run that program, it causes my cpu fan to speed up.  I want  
to look at it, because

I believe I can fix that problem.


halt is a hard link to reboot:

% ident /sbin/halt
/sbin/halt:
 $FreeBSD: src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crti.S,v 1.7 2005/05/19 07:31:06  
dfr Exp $
 $FreeBSD: src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crtn.S,v 1.6 2005/05/19 07:31:06  
dfr Exp $
 $FreeBSD: src/lib/csu/common/crtbrand.c,v 1.4.10.1 2007/12/07  
14:15:46 kib Exp $
 $FreeBSD: src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crt1.c,v 1.14 2005/05/19 07:36:07  
dfr Exp $
 $FreeBSD: src/sbin/reboot/reboot.c,v 1.24.2.1 2006/08/25  
12:55:50 bms Exp $



See /usr/src/sbin/reboot/reboot.c or 
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sbin/reboot/reboot.c

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Re: Issues while trying to access an Ext3 partition successfully mounted on FreeBSD 7

2008-08-26 Thread Chris St Denis

Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल wrote:

Hi,

I'm running FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p3 (amd64). I've two ext3 partitions
on my disk which I want to be able to access (read-only) from my
FreeBSD installation. But I can only access one of them (with no
issues), though I'm able to mount both of them fine in my FreeBSD and
GNU/Linux. Those filesystems are fsck-ed regularly after every n
mounts. I'm experiencing this since I installed GNU/Linux on that
partition.

8<8<
% fgrep gentoo-root /etc/fstab
/dev/ad6s2  /mnt/gentoo-rootext2fs  ro,noauto   0   0
% sudo mount /mnt/gentoo-root
% mount |fgrep gentoo
/dev/ad6s2 on /mnt/gentoo-root (ext2fs, local, read-only)
% ls -l /mnt/gentoo-root
ls: /mnt/gentoo-root: Bad file descriptor
% sudo umount /mnt/gentoo-root
% ls -ld /mnt/gentoo-root
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Jun  8 23:24 /mnt/gentoo-root
>8>8

There are no errors (or messages) reported in dmesg. Any ideas how to
troubleshoot this ? I don't want to degrade my filesystem from ext3 to
ext2.

Thanks
Ashish Shukla
  
I had a problem like this trying to mount ext2. The problem was it 
needed to be fscked (unclean shutdown). You'll need to install 
ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs to fsck it under FreeBSD.



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Re: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo

2008-08-26 Thread Wojciech Puchar
If you haven't already bought your cpu you could check out how much heat 
different cpu's produce, they vary quite a lot. Lower power = lower heat 
production = less stress on heatsink/fan (and = lower electricity costs). 
Also the overclockers websites and forums usually have opinions about 
heatsinks.


and of course - make sure then that your motherboard doesn't overclock by 
default.


no, i'm not joking, it's true but it sounds like a joke.
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AD3RTLANG daughter card not detected under FBSD 7

2008-08-26 Thread Lisandro Grullon
Dear all,
I have been busy this summer. Just got a new board (Mini-ITX) for a firewall
project, I got the add-on module call "AD3RTLANG". The board is working ok,
yet I am experiencing difficulties getting the 3 NIC module working, any
ideas if there is any support on this particular module. I am aware that
FBSD 7 support realtek controllers using the rl re kernel modules. Can
someone point me in the right direction. Thank you in advance.
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Issues while trying to access an Ext3 partition successfully mounted on FreeBSD 7

2008-08-26 Thread Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल
Hi,

I'm running FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p3 (amd64). I've two ext3 partitions
on my disk which I want to be able to access (read-only) from my
FreeBSD installation. But I can only access one of them (with no
issues), though I'm able to mount both of them fine in my FreeBSD and
GNU/Linux. Those filesystems are fsck-ed regularly after every n
mounts. I'm experiencing this since I installed GNU/Linux on that
partition.

8<8<
% fgrep gentoo-root /etc/fstab
/dev/ad6s2  /mnt/gentoo-rootext2fs  ro,noauto   0   0
% sudo mount /mnt/gentoo-root
% mount |fgrep gentoo
/dev/ad6s2 on /mnt/gentoo-root (ext2fs, local, read-only)
% ls -l /mnt/gentoo-root
ls: /mnt/gentoo-root: Bad file descriptor
% sudo umount /mnt/gentoo-root
% ls -ld /mnt/gentoo-root
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Jun  8 23:24 /mnt/gentoo-root
>8>8

There are no errors (or messages) reported in dmesg. Any ideas how to
troubleshoot this ? I don't want to degrade my filesystem from ext3 to
ext2.

Thanks
Ashish Shukla
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Re: Turn off serial console on boot

2008-08-26 Thread Chris St Denis

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have some servers with IPMI that allow me to have a serial console. 
I have setup a serial console config on my servers and it seems to 
work reasonably well in remote emergencies, but causes serious 
problems if I ever have to use the real console.


It means that I can't use single user mode from the real console and 
I can't see most boot errors.


Is there a way I can turn off the console redirection from the 
physical console interactively on startup?


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html

We put -P in /boot.config so that if a keyboard is detected then the 
screen is the console. No keyboard means serial console.

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This server does not have a ps2 port (USB only). Is there any other way?

It's quite a pain to have to boot off an install disk and rename the 
boot.config file if I need to get into single user mode. Especially 
since this server takes about 5 minutes to POST.

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Re: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo

2008-08-26 Thread Chris Whitehouse

spellberg_robert wrote:

greetings, all ---

q:  would anyone care to wax rhapsodic
  about any manufacturer
  with whose heatsink / fan combo product[s]
  they have had good success ?


If you haven't already bought your cpu you could check out how much heat 
different cpu's produce, they vary quite a lot. Lower power = lower heat 
production = less stress on heatsink/fan (and = lower electricity 
costs). Also the overclockers websites and forums usually have opinions 
about heatsinks.


Chris



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Re: souce code for the halt program.

2008-08-26 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:47:53PM -0700, Christopher Joyner wrote:
> How can I get the source code for the /sbin/halt program?

Look at /usr/src/sbin/reboot/reboot.c. /sbin/reboot is linked to
fasthalt, fastboot and halt. See /usr/src/sbin/reboot/Makefile

I found this out like this:

# ls -l /sbin/halt
-r-xr-xr-x  4 root  wheel  9016 May 23 19:59 /sbin/halt

# find /sbin -size 9016c
/sbin/reboot
/sbin/fasthalt
/sbin/fastboot
/sbin/halt

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DHCP and Encapsulating Vendor Options

2008-08-26 Thread jhall
Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have a need to encapsulate option 125 for my phone system on my isc-dhcp
server.

Following is a snippet from my dhcpd.conf file.

option space MITEL;
option MITEL.Option-125 code 125 = string;

subnet 1.2.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
  range 1.2.3.100 1.2.3.200;
  option routers 1.2.3.1;
  option domain-name-servers 1.2.3.1;
  vendor-option-space MITEL;
  option MITEL.Option-125 "Mitel hexadecimal data goes here"
}

Is this the right way to encapsulate the Hex data?  I have not been able
to find any information from Mitel concerning how to setup this option on
an isc-dhcp server.  The information I found was for a Windows 2003 DHCP
server, and the data type needed to be encapsulated.  So, my assumption is
(I know, I know), the data will have to be encapsulated on the isc dhcp
server as well.

Any  help would be appreciated.

Thanks,


Jay

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est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.

2008-08-26 Thread VeeJay
Hi there

I am getting a strange message in my dmesg after installation FreeBSD
7-production-release on my Dell 2950 with 2 x CPU 3,0 GHz Intel Xeon L5450
Quad-Core 2x6MB cache.

I have googled but didn't get any clue what it is and why I am getting this
problem... is it Processor related or driver related for FreeBSD?

Any advice and help is welcomed...

a quote from dmesg:

acpi_hpet0:  iomem 0xfed0-0xfed003ff on
acpi0
Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900
cpu0:  on acpi0
est0:  on cpu0
est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.
est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 920092006000920
device_attach: est0 attach returned 6
p4tcc0:  on cpu0
cpu1:  on acpi0
est1:  on cpu1
est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.
est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 920092006000920
device_attach: est1 attach returned 6
p4tcc1:  on cpu1
cpu2:  on acpi0
est2:  on cpu2
est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.
est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 920092006000920
device_attach: est2 attach returned 6
p4tcc2:  on cpu2
cpu3:  on acpi0
est3:  on cpu3
est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.
est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 920092006000920
device_attach: est3 attach returned 6
p4tcc3:  on cpu3
cpu4:  on acpi0
est4:  on cpu4
est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.
est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 920092006000920
device_attach: est4 attach returned 6
p4tcc4:  on cpu4
cpu5:  on acpi0
est5:  on cpu5
est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.
est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 920092006000920
device_attach: est5 attach returned 6
p4tcc5:  on cpu5
cpu6:  on acpi0
est6:  on cpu6
est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.
est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 920092006000920
device_attach: est6 attach returned 6
p4tcc6:  on cpu6
cpu7:  on acpi0
est7:  on cpu7
est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.
est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 920092006000920
device_attach: est7 attach returned 6
p4tcc7:  on cpu7


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Thanks!

BR / vj
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souce code for the halt program.

2008-08-26 Thread Christopher Joyner
How can I get the source code for the /sbin/halt program?
When I run that program, it causes my cpu fan to speed up.  I want to look at 
it, because
I believe I can fix that problem.


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serial console - no go

2008-08-26 Thread Wojciech Puchar

i put -h in /boot.config

FreeBSD loaders starts with serial console fine, load kernel, boots and...
kernel uses VGA as console.

what i do wrong?

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Re: Turn off serial console on boot

2008-08-26 Thread ben
I have some servers with IPMI that allow me to have a serial console. I have 
setup a serial console config on my servers and it seems to work reasonably 
well in remote emergencies, but causes serious problems if I ever have to use 
the real console.


It means that I can't use single user mode from the real console and I can't 
see most boot errors.


Is there a way I can turn off the console redirection from the physical 
console interactively on startup?


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html

We put -P in /boot.config so that if a keyboard is detected then the 
screen is the console. No keyboard means serial console.

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iso contents; using dial-up

2008-08-26 Thread Frank Shute
Is there a list of which packages come on the iso's? I particularly
wanted those on 7.0 AMD64. My googling fu has failed me :(

I also wanted any tips on handling FreeBSD on a dial-up link whilst
you also have broadband access at school. How do you go about
installing ports/packages to utilise your broadband link the most &
stay off the dial-up as much as possible?

TIA.

-- 

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 Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html 

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Updating a minimal install

2008-08-26 Thread Steve Bertrand

Hi all,

I have minimal (base) system of 6.2 that I run entirely from thumb 
drive. It has nothing extra (man pages etc).


This system needs to be upgraded to 7.0.

Is there an easy way to upgrade this installation so that ONLY the 
information that is currently installed is upgraded? I don't want 
anything additional installed during the upgrade.


I'm certain that by default a make buildworld/installworld will install 
too much.


Will a binary upgrade 'do the right thing'?

Steve
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Re: fairly low level - ld-elf.so.1/rtld_verify_versions() question

2008-08-26 Thread Jim
Disregard, I mistraced/read the output. I found the error.

Sorry,
-Jim Stapleton
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Re: Configure lagg0 into /etc/rc.conf file ?

2008-08-26 Thread Steve Bertrand

Frank Bonnet wrote:


I'm trying to configure the lagg0 device using /etc/rc.conf file
but I haven't much luck with it.



What I want to do is

ifconfig lagg0 create
ifconfig lagg0 up laggproto lacp laggport bge0 laggport bge1


What does the following command output?:

# uname -a

Steve
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Re: I can't make world without the "games" group?

2008-08-26 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 06:44:38PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:29:48 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Ok, this may be a bug in the makefiles then.  My apologies if you have
> >> already written all that.  I caught the email thread some time after it
> >> started, and I replied while being offline on a trip.
> >
> > Welcome back, I hope you had a pleasant journey!
> 
> Heh, thanks.  It was nice in a way :)
> 
> >>  * Which branch/version of the source tree are you building?
> >
> > I was going from 7.0-RELEASE to 7.0-STABLE.
> >
> >>  * How did you build everything?
> >
> > I put WITHOUT_GAMES="YES" in /etc/src.conf.
> >
> >>  * What was the _exact_ error message you saw?
> >
> > I don't remember exactly what it said. But it was just the same as
> > it's always been -- make world erroring out because group `games'
> > doesn't exist.
> 
> Thanks!  I got it tracked down to the reference to 'games' in the mtree
> files we use to populate the installation tree with directories before
> installing programs and data in them.  By looking at the differences
> from 7.0-STABLE to 8.0-CURRENT the same problem exists in both branches.
> 
> >>> I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon
> >>> my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why
> >>> can't he load it as a module, or install a port?
> >>
> >> Insist on keeping what?  The fortune cookies and `/usr/src/games'?
> >
> > And all the other old stuff you can disable in in src.conf.
> 
> This is the same old argument about ``what should be in the base system
> and what should be a port''.  I'm almost sure we can find people who
> like fortune(1) in the base system, and I can certainly understand that
> some people don't really care if it goes.
> 
> Making it easy to disable stuff in `src.conf' is sort of a middle-path
> approach.  I can live with that for now.  If someone else comes along
> and moves fortune(1) and the other src/games/ stuff in a port, I won't
> really object either :)

I have wondered if it might be reasonable to put a bunch of (more)
of that sort of stuff in a select list during installation so a
user can choose right then if certain things will be retained or
dropped on the floor.   Fortune and games and even the latest Perl
and some other things might be good candidates for that select list.

I know there is a place where you can run through pretty much the
whole list of ports and select, but that is really too overwhelming.
I would suggest this be a separate list, mostly limited to those 
things that many people want (but others don't) in the base system.

Some of these pretty much stand alone and shouldn't add complications
of dependancies, but I suppose some might.

jerry

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Re: Crontab and adjkerntz.

2008-08-26 Thread Matthew Seaman

Andrew D wrote:

Leslie Jensen wrote:
I have a machine that only runs during office hours. I've rescheduled 
the periodic jobs in crontab so that they run when the machine is on.


My question is can I reschedule the  adjkerntz job as well, without 
causing any problems? I'm concerned because the job is set to run 12 
times during night time, and I'm thinking that maybe it's a resource 
hog and therefore it's not advisible to run it when one uses the machine?




adjkerntz is used for adjusting the time when daylight savings starts 
and finishes.  I wouldn't worry about it as the system runs it on boot up.


... and if your CMOS clock is set to UTC, then adjkerntz is a no-op anyhow.

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Configure lagg0 into /etc/rc.conf file ?

2008-08-26 Thread Frank Bonnet

Hello all

I'm trying to configure the lagg0 device using /etc/rc.conf file
but I haven't much luck with it.

I've googled for it and visit many pages but informations are
not useful for me

Is there a documentation up to date somewhere I should use ?

What I want to do is

ifconfig lagg0 create
ifconfig lagg0 up laggproto lacp laggport bge0 laggport bge1

On Cisco side I have no problem to create the channel group which is working 
well.


thanks for any info/links


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Re: inventory software?

2008-08-26 Thread Leslie Jensen


Pollywog skrev:

On Tuesday 26 August 2008 07:01:38 Omer Faruk SEN wrote:

  Hello,

Is there a inventory software in ports tree? What i want is to learn all
hardware details (ram ,  cpu , mainboard etc. serial numbers and amount of
them). I need a simple program that does this but couldn't able to find in
ports tree

Thanks in advance.

Regards.


Coincidentally this morning I found this:

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/check-ram-speed-linux/

The information there says it works for Linux, UNIX, and BSD.
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http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=decode&stype=name&sektion=sysutils

:-)

/Leslie
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Re: inventory software?

2008-08-26 Thread Pollywog
On Tuesday 26 August 2008 07:01:38 Omer Faruk SEN wrote:
>   Hello,
>
> Is there a inventory software in ports tree? What i want is to learn all
> hardware details (ram ,  cpu , mainboard etc. serial numbers and amount of
> them). I need a simple program that does this but couldn't able to find in
> ports tree
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards.

Coincidentally this morning I found this:

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/check-ram-speed-linux/

The information there says it works for Linux, UNIX, and BSD.
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fairly low level - ld-elf.so.1/rtld_verify_versions() question

2008-08-26 Thread Jim
I have a library that is failing to load. Eventually I managed to play
with ld-elf so I could figure out what was wrong (jail -> build the
ld-elf in the jail with some printfs)

Anyway, I have a lot of test cases that seem to compile/load fine, but
one compiles fine but always fails to load, I found /why/ it fails,
but I don't know what in my library would cause the issues.

It looks like a versioning failure for libc.so.7:
libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x2807e000)

What would cause this, but not cause failures on other libraries I've
built on the same system?
* Between successes and failures I have not rebuilt anything other
than the successful and failing libraries.


Thanks,
-Jim Stapleton


In case it might be useful, below I have an output from my modified
ld-elf, Anything starting with ">>>" comes from the
"rtld_verify_versions" function, anything starting with ">>" comes
from the "dlopen" function. Anything starting with "##" is a comment
or interperetation I added after the fact.

#dlopen, prints name and mode arguments
>>Opening: 'libctypeless.so' : 513
#prints name and pointer to main passed to load_object if name is not null
>> Name not null, calling: load_object("libctypeless.so", 0x28078000 /*main*/)
#prints the pointer returned for obj
>> Found: 0x28078400
#tells the refcount on obj, immediately after the increment
>> opened, refcount inc'ed: 1
#this is the first thing done after the initial STAILQ_FOREACH(entry,
objlist, link) {
#in the function, the line printing it is:
# printf(">>> Checking version: %p (%p) --> \"%s\"\n", entry,
entry->obj, entry->obj->path);
>>> Checking version: 0x28079080 (0x28078400) --> "/usr/lib/libctypeless.so"
>>> Checking version: 0x280790a0 (0x28078600) --> "/lib/libgcc_s.so.1"
>>> Checking version: 0x280790c0 (0x28078200) --> "/lib/libc.so.7"
#these next two are printed by
#printf(">>> [shouldn't be null] strtab: \"%s\"\n", entry->obj->strtab);
#and
#printf(">>> [should be null] vertab: ");
#printf("%p: %d / %d / \"%s\" / \"%s\" \n", entry->obj->vertab,
#entry->obj->vertab->hash,entry->obj->vertab->flags,
#entry->obj->vertab->name,entry->obj->vertab->file);
#respectively
>>> [shouldn't be null] strtab: ""
>>> [should be null] vertab: 0x2807a080: 0 / 0 / "(null)" / "(null)"
>> versioning failure of dagmembers: 0,
libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x2818e000)
libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x2807e000)
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Re: I can't make world without the "games" group?

2008-08-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:30:02 +0300, Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:04:26 +0300, Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>> % --
>> % >>> Making hierarchy
>> % --
>> % cd /home/build/src; make -f Makefile.inc1 hierarchy
>> % cd /home/build/src/etc; make distrib-dirs
>> % mtree -eU  -f /home/build/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p /
>> % mtree -eU  -f /home/build/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var
>> % mtree: line 48: unknown group games
>> % *** Error code 1
>> %
>> % Stop in /home/build/src/etc.
>> % *** Error code 1
>> %
>> % Stop in /home/build/src.
>> % *** Error code 1
>> %
>> % Stop in /home/build/src.
>> % *** Error code 1
>> %
>> % Stop in /home/build/src.
>> % *** Error code 1
>> %
>> % Stop in /home/build/src.
>> % [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/build/src#
>>
>> That's because src/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist and BSD.var.dist include
>> references to the `games' user and group.  I'll try to split the
>> relevant bits in a new `BSD.games.dist' file which will be conditionally
>> passed to mtree(8) depending on WITHOUT_GAMES.
>>
>> Is this the same error as the one you are seeing?  When I prepare a
>> patch for this, would you be willing to test it for me?
>
> Ok, think I got it...
>
> Here's the patch I am testing now.  If this works locally, I'll post it
> for review to our Makefile gurus and commit it when we get it into
> shape.

Yay!  It seems to have worked in 8.0-CURRENT here...

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/build/src# export WITHOUT_GAMES=yes
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/build/src# make KERNCONF=KOBE installworld
[...]
--
>>> Making hierarchy
--
cd /home/build/src; make -f Makefile.inc1 hierarchy
cd /home/build/src/etc; make distrib-dirs
mtree -eU  -f /home/build/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p /
mtree -eU  -f /home/build/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var
mtree -eU  -f /home/build/src/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist -p /usr
mtree -eU  -f /home/build/src/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist  -p /usr/include
mtree -deU  -f /home/build/src/etc/mtree/BIND.chroot.dist  -p /var/named
mtree -deU  -f /home/build/src/etc/mtree/BSD.sendmail.dist -p /
cd /; rm -f /sys; ln -s usr/src/sys sys
cd /usr/share/man/en.ISO8859-1; ln -sf ../man* .
cd /usr/share/man;  set - `grep "^[a-zA-Z]" /home/build/src/etc/man.alias`;  
while [ $# -gt 0 ] ;  do  rm -rf "$1";  ln -s "$2" "$1";  shift; shift;  done
cd /usr/share/openssl/man;  set - `grep "^[a-zA-Z]" 
/home/build/src/etc/man.alias`;  while [ $# -gt 0 ] ;  do  rm -rf "$1";  ln -s 
"$2" "$1";  shift; shift;  done
cd /usr/share/openssl/man/en.ISO8859-1; ln -sf ../man* .
cd /usr/share/nls;  set - `grep "^[a-zA-Z]" /home/build/src/etc/nls.alias`;  
while [ $# -gt 0 ] ;  do  rm -rf "$1";  ln -s "$2" "$1";  shift; shift;  done

--
>>> Installing everything
--
[...]

I've uploaded the patch for 8.0-CURRENT at:

http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/diff/games-mtree.diff

and the patch for 7-STABLE at:

http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/diff/games-mtree.stable7.diff

The `games-mtree.stable7.diff' should apply on top of today's 7-STABLE
source tree with:

# cd /var/tmp ; fetch 
http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/diff/games-mtree.stable7.diff
# cd /usr/src ; patch -p0 < /var/tmp/games-mtree.stable7.diff

Can you patch your 7-STABLE /usr/src source tree and run another build &
install cycle?  I think WITHOUT_GAMES=yes should work then.

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Re: I can't make world without the "games" group?

2008-08-26 Thread Redd Vinylene
> Ok, this may be a bug in the makefiles then.  My apologies if you have
> already written all that.  I caught the email thread some time after it
> started, and I replied while being offline on a trip.

Welcome back, I hope you had a pleasant journey!

>  * Which branch/version of the source tree are you building?

I was going from 7.0-RELEASE to 7.0-STABLE.

>  * How did you build everything?

I put WITHOUT_GAMES="YES" in /etc/src.conf.

>  * What was the _exact_ error message you saw?

I don't remember exactly what it said. But it was just the same as
it's always been -- make world erroring out because group `games'
doesn't exist.

> I have just fired up a buildworld + buildkernel run of 8.0-CURRENT here,
> to see if I can reproduce this.  The build runs with:
>
># export WITHOUT_GAMES=yes
># mv /usr/games /usr/games.old
># rm -fr /usr/src/games
>
> AFAIK, this should work fine, but I will have to wait a bit for the
> build to finish and report back.  I'll post my results in a couple of
> hours, because that's roughly how long it takes for my laptop to go
> through a full build & install run.

Cool. I appreciate that!

>> I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon
>> my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why
>> can't he load it as a module, or install a port?
>
> Insist on keeping what?  The fortune cookies and `/usr/src/games'?

And all the other old stuff you can disable in in src.conf.

> This is one of the nice quotes of Antoine de Saint Exupery, but in our
> case perfection is also achieved when FreeBSD empowers you to choose the
> bits that _you_ want to keep.

I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're saying here, but it's
certainly not related to what Mr. Exupery was saying. You can't sell
someone a new car full of obsolete parts, saying "now you have the
freedom to choose what parts _you_ want to keep", that's just
ridiculous. Next thing you know the person will die in a car crash.

Let me give you another quote. I trust you'll be able to track down
the author for this one as well:

"Vigorous writing is concise. A sentence should contain no unnecessary
words, a paragraph no unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that
a drawing should have no unnecessary lines and a machine no
unnecessary parts. This requires not that the writer make all his
sentences short, or that he avoid all detail and treat his subjects
only in outline, but that every word tell."

I understand you're saying that people are free to pick apart excess
weight from their systems. But only a small percentage actually needs
this excess weight. So wouldn't it be better to take it out, and
instead, give the ones who need it the freedom put it back in?

> We also understand that it is often very difficult, even outright
> impossible to satisfy _everyone_ with one flavor of beer, so we try to
> give everyone a BSD flavored brew that seems to have worked nicely for a
> lot of people and all the tools to build your own custom flavor.

Alcohol is bad for your health.

>> I worry slightly as I watch FreeBSD become bigger and bigger, fearing
>> that some day it'll all come tumbling down!
>
> Well, there's a very good way to avoid this.  You can *help* us keep BSD
> in shape.  Reports about bugs, problems and issues like the one you are
> reporting in this thread are an _excellent_ way to do that.
>
> If nobody reports a bug, then it won't get solved...  By reporting it
> and helping us track it down, find the fix and commit it to the source
> tree you are doing everyone (including the FreeBSD Project and yourself)
> a great service :-)

I appreciate the invitation. I hope I'll be able to devote large parts
of my life to the improvement of FreeBSD.

>
> Cheers,
> Giorgos
>
>



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Re: I can't make world without the "games" group?

2008-08-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:29:48 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Ok, this may be a bug in the makefiles then.  My apologies if you have
>> already written all that.  I caught the email thread some time after it
>> started, and I replied while being offline on a trip.
>
> Welcome back, I hope you had a pleasant journey!

Heh, thanks.  It was nice in a way :)

>>  * Which branch/version of the source tree are you building?
>
> I was going from 7.0-RELEASE to 7.0-STABLE.
>
>>  * How did you build everything?
>
> I put WITHOUT_GAMES="YES" in /etc/src.conf.
>
>>  * What was the _exact_ error message you saw?
>
> I don't remember exactly what it said. But it was just the same as
> it's always been -- make world erroring out because group `games'
> doesn't exist.

Thanks!  I got it tracked down to the reference to 'games' in the mtree
files we use to populate the installation tree with directories before
installing programs and data in them.  By looking at the differences
from 7.0-STABLE to 8.0-CURRENT the same problem exists in both branches.

>>> I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon
>>> my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why
>>> can't he load it as a module, or install a port?
>>
>> Insist on keeping what?  The fortune cookies and `/usr/src/games'?
>
> And all the other old stuff you can disable in in src.conf.

This is the same old argument about ``what should be in the base system
and what should be a port''.  I'm almost sure we can find people who
like fortune(1) in the base system, and I can certainly understand that
some people don't really care if it goes.

Making it easy to disable stuff in `src.conf' is sort of a middle-path
approach.  I can live with that for now.  If someone else comes along
and moves fortune(1) and the other src/games/ stuff in a port, I won't
really object either :)

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Re: I can't make world without the "games" group?

2008-08-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:04:26 +0300, Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> % --
> % >>> Making hierarchy
> % --
> % cd /home/build/src; make -f Makefile.inc1 hierarchy
> % cd /home/build/src/etc; make distrib-dirs
> % mtree -eU  -f /home/build/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p /
> % mtree -eU  -f /home/build/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var
> % mtree: line 48: unknown group games
> % *** Error code 1
> %
> % Stop in /home/build/src/etc.
> % *** Error code 1
> %
> % Stop in /home/build/src.
> % *** Error code 1
> %
> % Stop in /home/build/src.
> % *** Error code 1
> %
> % Stop in /home/build/src.
> % *** Error code 1
> %
> % Stop in /home/build/src.
> % [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/build/src#
>
> That's because src/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist and BSD.var.dist include
> references to the `games' user and group.  I'll try to split the
> relevant bits in a new `BSD.games.dist' file which will be conditionally
> passed to mtree(8) depending on WITHOUT_GAMES.
>
> Is this the same error as the one you are seeing?  When I prepare a
> patch for this, would you be willing to test it for me?

Ok, think I got it...

Here's the patch I am testing now.  If this works locally, I'll post it
for review to our Makefile gurus and commit it when we get it into shape.
If things work without problems in CURRENT for a few days, I'll backport
it to the STABLE branches too.

%%%
diff -r ef7ac5c285f5 etc/Makefile
--- a/etc/Makefile  Tue Aug 26 16:37:27 2008 +0300
+++ b/etc/Makefile  Tue Aug 26 18:27:33 2008 +0300
@@ -56,6 +56,9 @@
BSD.var.dist BSD.x11.dist BSD.x11-4.dist
 .if ${MK_SENDMAIL} != "no"
 MTREE+=BSD.sendmail.dist
+.endif
+.if ${MK_GAMES} != "no"
+MTREE+= BSD.games.dist
 .endif
 .if ${MK_BIND} != "no"
 MTREE+=BIND.chroot.dist
@@ -204,6 +207,9 @@
 .if ${MK_SENDMAIL} != "no"
mtree -deU ${MTREE_FOLLOWS_SYMLINKS} -f 
${.CURDIR}/mtree/BSD.sendmail.dist -p ${DESTDIR}/
 .endif
+.if ${MK_GAMES} != "no"
+   mtree -deU ${MTREE_FOLLOWS_SYMLINKS} -f ${.CURDIR}/mtree/BSD.games.dist 
-p ${DESTDIR}/
+.endif
cd ${DESTDIR}/; rm -f ${DESTDIR}/sys; ln -s usr/src/sys sys
cd ${DESTDIR}/usr/share/man/en.ISO8859-1; ln -sf ../man* .
cd ${DESTDIR}/usr/share/man; \
diff -r ef7ac5c285f5 etc/mtree/BSD.games.dist
--- /dev/null   Thu Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 +
+++ b/etc/mtree/BSD.games.dist  Tue Aug 26 18:27:33 2008 +0300
@@ -0,0 +1,16 @@
+# $FreeBSD$
+#
+# Please see the file src/etc/mtree/README before making changes to this file.
+#
+
+/set type=dir uname=root gname=wheel mode=0755
+.
+usr
+games
+..
+..
+var
+games   gname=games mode=0775
+..
+..
+..
diff -r ef7ac5c285f5 etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist
--- a/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.distTue Aug 26 16:37:27 2008 +0300
+++ b/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.distTue Aug 26 18:27:33 2008 +0300
@@ -6,8 +6,6 @@
 /set type=dir uname=root gname=wheel mode=0755
 .
 bin
-..
-games
 ..
 include
 ..
diff -r ef7ac5c285f5 etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist
--- a/etc/mtree/BSD.var.distTue Aug 26 16:37:27 2008 +0300
+++ b/etc/mtree/BSD.var.distTue Aug 26 18:27:33 2008 +0300
@@ -45,8 +45,6 @@
 ..
 empty   mode=0555 flags=schg
 ..
-games   gname=games mode=0775
-..
 heimdal mode=0700
 ..
 log
%%%
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Adapter to hook SCSI tape drive to SATA?

2008-08-26 Thread Kirk Strauser
I have a Seagate DDS-4 tape drive hanging off a Tekram SCSI card.  I was 
starting to get random hard resets whenever accessing the drive - as in 
"dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sa0" would get me to the BIOS POST screen in 
under a second - so this morning I swapped out an unused card of the 
same model from another system.  Hopefully this was just a hardware 
glitch and the "new" card (which is also 9 years old) will be OK.


This got me thinking, though: has anyone used any of the SCSI-to-SATA 
adapters to hook a tape drive to their FreeBSD system?  More 
importantly, did it work?  I'd just as soon use one of the on-board SATA 
connectors as an aging boat anchor of a SCSI card if I could get away 
with it.  I mean, I still use SCSI a lot elsewhere, but I'd like to 
ditch it in this one specific application if possible.


Thanks!
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Re: I can't make world without the "games" group?

2008-08-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:26:36 +0300, Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> # Removing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> from the recipient list.  This isn't
> # really a thread about marketing or promoting FreeBSD, so it's a bit
> # off-topic for that list.
>
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:01:03 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Have you tried building with an src.conf file that includes:
>>>
>>>WITHOUT_GAMES='yes'
>>>
>>> It' not a matter of `kindergarten or not', but a matter of providing a
>>> predictable `base system' by default and all the knob and documentation
>>> to customize it at will.  That's why you can find a lot of customization
>>> options in the manpage of src.conf(5).
>>
>> Hello hello!
>> Yeah I actually tried that, but I got the same error.
>
> Ok, this may be a bug in the makefiles then.  My apologies if you have
> already written all that.  I caught the email thread some time after it
> started, and I replied while being offline on a trip.

Hi Redd,

You are right I think.  I just reproduced this a few minutes ago, by
deleting the `games' group and user from my password file and installing
a userland compiled with WITHOUT_GAMES=yes.

Apparently, you can *build* everything when `WITHOUT_GAMES=yes', but
when I tried to installworld the resulting distribution, the initial
steps of the installation fail with:

% --
% >>> Making hierarchy
% --
% cd /home/build/src; make -f Makefile.inc1 hierarchy
% cd /home/build/src/etc; make distrib-dirs
% mtree -eU  -f /home/build/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p /
% mtree -eU  -f /home/build/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var
% mtree: line 48: unknown group games
% *** Error code 1
%
% Stop in /home/build/src/etc.
% *** Error code 1
%
% Stop in /home/build/src.
% *** Error code 1
%
% Stop in /home/build/src.
% *** Error code 1
%
% Stop in /home/build/src.
% *** Error code 1
%
% Stop in /home/build/src.
% [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/build/src#

That's because src/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist and BSD.var.dist include
references to the `games' user and group.  I'll try to split the
relevant bits in a new `BSD.games.dist' file which will be conditionally
passed to mtree(8) depending on WITHOUT_GAMES.

Is this the same error as the one you are seeing?  When I prepare a
patch for this, would you be willing to test it for me?

- Giorgos

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Re: flowchart drawing tool for BSD

2008-08-26 Thread Daniel Molina Wegener

Dánielisz László escribió:

Anyone know of a good flowchart drawing tool for BSD?
Something like Visio?


  Hello, you can try de following:

  kivio (I think it's under koffice)
  bouml
  umbrello
  dia
  xfig



Laci


> [SNIP]


Regards,
DMW

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Re: Crontab and adjkerntz.

2008-08-26 Thread Andrew D

Leslie Jensen wrote:
I have a machine that only runs during office hours. I've rescheduled 
the periodic jobs in crontab so that they run when the machine is on.


My question is can I reschedule the  adjkerntz job as well, without 
causing any problems? I'm concerned because the job is set to run 12 
times during night time, and I'm thinking that maybe it's a resource hog 
and therefore it's not advisible to run it when one uses the machine?




adjkerntz is used for adjusting the time when daylight savings starts 
and finishes.  I wouldn't worry about it as the system runs it on boot up.

Cheers
cya
Andrew


# Adjust the time zone if the CMOS clock keeps local time, as opposed to
# UTC time.  See adjkerntz(8) for details.
1,310-5 *   *   *   rootadjkerntz -a


Thanks

/Leslie



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RE: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo

2008-08-26 Thread Marc Coyles
> > greetings, all ---
> >
> > this isn't exactly a free_bsd question, --but--,
> >   since free_bsd is popular w/ the i386 crowd and
> >   there are many rugged individualists on these lists
> >   who like to "roll their own",
> >   i figure i'll get way less hyperbole and
> >   more practical experience here,
> >   than at some of the places i've visited today.

1 - Don't use tip of finger to apply thermal goop unless finger is
within a plastic bag. Grease off your skin will detract from the
efficiency of the Thermal Bond, and seeing as the TIM bond accounts for
a HUGE proportion of a processor-cooling-solution's c/w rating, it's
better to pop finger in a bag, and then apply compound.

2 - Best of the best is still Thermalright, but there is a price premium
as always. I generally go with their Ultra120 Extreme as it supports all
sockets and all CPUs on the market, so you won't have to bin it if you
switch to something else at a later date... And partner it with a decent
120mm fan of your choosing according to your noise preference.
Personally I stick with Nexus fans as they're nice n' quiet...

The above combo is currently sitting atop a Q6600 cpu in my recording
studio system and keeps it at 40 deg C full-load in total silence. If
you want better cooling, then find a more powerful fan.

3 - Meh - Thermal Compound performance is much debated, and any testing
done on it isn't done to a sufficient quality to give reliable results.
Either way, the Thermalright Heatsinks all come with goop that is plenty
good enough for most purposes.

L8rs!
Marci (ex Over-Clock UK / ThermoChill Radiators)
ICT Support - Horbury School



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Crontab and adjkerntz.

2008-08-26 Thread Leslie Jensen
I have a machine that only runs during office hours. I've rescheduled 
the periodic jobs in crontab so that they run when the machine is on.


My question is can I reschedule the  adjkerntz job as well, without 
causing any problems? I'm concerned because the job is set to run 12 
times during night time, and I'm thinking that maybe it's a resource hog 
and therefore it's not advisible to run it when one uses the machine?


# Adjust the time zone if the CMOS clock keeps local time, as opposed to
# UTC time.  See adjkerntz(8) for details.
1,310-5 *   *   *   rootadjkerntz -a


Thanks

/Leslie



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Re: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo

2008-08-26 Thread Chuck Robey
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spellberg_robert wrote:
> greetings, all ---
> 
> this isn't exactly a free_bsd question, --but--,
>   since free_bsd is popular w/ the i386 crowd and
>   there are many rugged individualists on these lists
>   who like to "roll their own",
>   i figure i'll get way less hyperbole and
>   more practical experience here,
>   than at some of the places i've visited today.
> 
> 
> 
> i had always been able to find the cpu / heatsink / fan as a sub_assembly,
>   so, i didn't have to deal with this issue.
> i'm making some new boxen to replace
>   some 800mhz_p3, 256mb units which will be re_assigned.
> i found a mobo i like; d_ram just keeps getting cheaper; etc., etc.
> i even found a processor that appeals to me, but, it's oem.
> it's the p4 "641" which is 3200 mhz, 65 nm, 775 case.
> the mobo maxes out at 2048mb, which is just fine.
> these are probably the last single_"core" boxen that i will build.
> 
> 
> 
> now, back in the day, i had acquired the skill of using my index finger to
>   properly apply that white_stuff, from the good folks at wakefield,
>   to the tops of uhf pa transistors, from the good folks at motorola.
> no, this isn't a case of fear.
> 
> it's that i don't recognize so many of the manufacturers names.
> some look familiar, but they might just be
>   similar to something i remember from long ago.
> 
> q:  would anyone care to wax rhapsodic
>   about any manufacturer
>   with whose heatsink / fan combo product[s]
>   they have had good success ?

OK, I will.  I got taught, in extremely clear fashion, about the direct linkage
between keeping the temperatures low and even, and the ultimate reliability of
your system.  I won't go into the war story, but most everyone knows this is
true, anyhow.  I won't go into the fan either, because it's my personal opinion
that there are a large selection of good fans.  The item I want to extoll is the
Ultimate 120 heatsink from Thermalright.  Huge heatsink, and the 120mm fan that
you get separately mounts on the _side_, not the top, like you might be used to.
 One look at this, at the great engineering ... well you might possibly find
something else as good, but I bet you'd not be able to find anything better.
Get that installed, and you can be really certain you didn't short on the CPU
cooling.

> 
> q:  is there a short list of manufacturers
>   who are "generally accepted" as
>   producers of reliable products
>   [ as is, e. g., antec, for cases and power_supplies ] ?
> 
> q:  conversely,
>   are there any manufacturers with justifiably bad reputations ?
> 
> 
> 
> i have seen several diameters described as appropriate for the 775.
> 
> q:  should i prefer any particular size ?
> 
> 
> 
> wakefield is still around, but there are other names.
> 
> q:  are there any opinions, pro or con, about thermal compounds ?
> 
> 
> 
> noise_level is not a criterion in this situation.
> i'll err on the side of more cf/m.
> 
> money doesn't appear to be an issue.
> i've seen a range of $_10 to $_130, so far, but,
>   most are $_15 to $_30 or so.
> 
> 
> 
> thanks in advance for any advice.
> please cc.
> 
> rob
> 
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Binary Downloads: Security Questions and problem.

2008-08-26 Thread Christopher Joyner
When using FreeBSD, I cannot browse the internet because I keep getting binary 
files instead of the url.
These binary files are 588k in size, I think they are viruses, which also means 
my LAN is infected with some stuff.
The binary file names seem to have random names, because they are new each time.

Am I correct?  Is this a security problem?



 In Love in Jesus Christ, Or Lord and Savior.


For God so loved the world, that he gave his only *begotten Son, that whosoever 
believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Re: I can't make world without the "games" group?

2008-08-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
# Removing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> from the recipient list.  This isn't
# really a thread about marketing or promoting FreeBSD, so it's a bit
# off-topic for that list.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:01:03 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:22 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Why can't I make world without the "games" group? I run a serious
>>> server, not a kindergarten ;)
>>>
>>> I don't want the games group there, I just don't need it!
>>
>> Have you tried building with an src.conf file that includes:
>>
>>WITHOUT_GAMES='yes'
>>
>> It' not a matter of `kindergarten or not', but a matter of providing a
>> predictable `base system' by default and all the knob and documentation
>> to customize it at will.  That's why you can find a lot of customization
>> options in the manpage of src.conf(5).
>
> Hello hello!
> Yeah I actually tried that, but I got the same error.

Ok, this may be a bug in the makefiles then.  My apologies if you have
already written all that.  I caught the email thread some time after it
started, and I replied while being offline on a trip.

A few bits of information which may help us track down what you are
seeing and try to reproduce it are:

  * Which branch/version of the source tree are you building?

  * How did you build everything?

Please list all the command line options, any environment variables
and any `make.conf' or `src.conf' options you are using.

  * What was the _exact_ error message you saw?

I have just fired up a buildworld + buildkernel run of 8.0-CURRENT here,
to see if I can reproduce this.  The build runs with:

# export WITHOUT_GAMES=yes
# mv /usr/games /usr/games.old
# rm -fr /usr/src/games

AFAIK, this should work fine, but I will have to wait a bit for the
build to finish and report back.  I'll post my results in a couple of
hours, because that's roughly how long it takes for my laptop to go
through a full build & install run.

In the meantime, if you can repeat the build and email us with the
branch, the source version, the environment you used to build and the
last 200-300 lines of the error messages you are getting (the full build
log would be even better), it would be quite useful as an extra bit of
info to track down what is broken for you.  With a bit of help from you,
to test-build everything and report back with any findings, I'm sure we
can at least understand what's different in your local setup :-)

> I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon
> my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why
> can't he load it as a module, or install a port?

Insist on keeping what?  The fortune cookies and `/usr/src/games'?

I don't think anyone insists on *forcing* you to use something you don't
want to have around.  That's precisely the idea behind WITHOUT_GAMES and
similar options.  If it doesn't work, we'll fix it.  If it does work, on
the other hand, we have to find out how to make it work for you too.

> To quote some Frenchman: "Perfection is achieved, not when there's
> nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away."

This is one of the nice quotes of Antoine de Saint Exupery, but in our
case perfection is also achieved when FreeBSD empowers you to choose the
bits that _you_ want to keep.  As a team we value the freedom `to pick
and choose' and providing a reference body of source code that others
can use under the friendly terms of the BSD license is an explicit goal
of the Project as a whole.

We also understand that it is often very difficult, even outright
impossible to satisfy _everyone_ with one flavor of beer, so we try to
give everyone a BSD flavored brew that seems to have worked nicely for a
lot of people and all the tools to build your own custom flavor.

> I worry slightly as I watch FreeBSD become bigger and bigger, fearing
> that some day it'll all come tumbling down!

Well, there's a very good way to avoid this.  You can *help* us keep BSD
in shape.  Reports about bugs, problems and issues like the one you are
reporting in this thread are an _excellent_ way to do that.

If nobody reports a bug, then it won't get solved...  By reporting it
and helping us track it down, find the fix and commit it to the source
tree you are doing everyone (including the FreeBSD Project and yourself)
a great service :-)

Cheers,
Giorgos



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Re: flowchart drawing tool for BSD

2008-08-26 Thread Dánielisz László
Thank you, I will try it!



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Dánielisz László wrote:
| Anyone know of a good flowchart drawing tool for BSD?
| Something like Visio?

I use devel/bouml graphics/dia and netbeans's integrated UML drawing
tool on a regular basis. If you're already using NetBeans or you plan to
program in Java, then go for it. Otherwise, I would suggest bouml.

| Laci

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Re: I can't make world without the "games" group?

2008-08-26 Thread Kris Kennaway

Redd Vinylene wrote:

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Giorgos Keramidas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:22 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Why can't I make world without the "games" group? I run a serious
server, not a kindergarten ;)

I don't want the games group there, I just don't need it!

Have you tried building with an src.conf file that includes:

   WITHOUT_GAMES='yes'

It' not a matter of `kindergarten or not', but a matter of providing a
predictable `base system' by default and all the knob and documentation
to customize it at will.  That's why you can find a lot of customization
options in the manpage of src.conf(5).

For example, on a `production server' that is a bit limited in space,
and doesn't really need compilers, debuggers, profiling tools, or three
different firewalls, I would probably build with:

   WITHOUT_CVS=yes
   WITHOUT_GAMES='yes'
   WITHOUT_GCOV=yes
   WITHOUT_GDB=yes
   WITHOUT_IPFILTER=yes
   WITHOUT_IPX=yes
   WITHOUT_OBJC=yes
   WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
   WITHOUT_SHAREDOCS=yes

I would also use WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes during `make installworld' runs,
to skip installing all the gcc, g++ and debugger tools.

The default `base system' still installs all these parts, but you are
definitely *not* obliged to always install all of them.

- Giorgos




Hello hello!

Yeah I actually tried that, but I got the same error.

I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon
my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why
can't he load it as a module, or install a port?

To quote some Frenchman: "Perfection is achieved, not when there's
nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away."

I worry slightly as I watch FreeBSD become bigger and bigger, fearing
that some day it'll all come tumbling down!



Try to relax and calm down a bit.  The games user is a left-over remnant 
of something that has ALWAYS been part of BSD, but *was* already mostly 
removed from FreeBSD some years ago (the actual games are now in the 
ports tree).  It is not some insidious creeping bloat that has been 
added while you weren't looking.


Kris
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Re: For this hardware amd64, ia64 or i386 to install?

2008-08-26 Thread Oliver Fromme
VeeJay <> wrote:
 > For following hardware, I am wonderting that which Freebsd amd64, ia64 or
 > i386 to install?
 > 
 > Hardware:
 > Dell PowerEdge 2950 III having 2 x CPU 3,0 GHz Intel Xeon L5450 Quad-Core
 > 2x6MB cache WITH 16 GB RAM.
 > Tools:
 > 1. FreeBSD 7 Production Release
 > 2. Apache 2.2.9
 > 3. MySQL 5.1.26
 > 4. PHP 5.2.6

Clearly amd64.

The ia64 port wouldn't run on your hardware at all, because
it is for the Itanium/Merced platforms.  The i386 port would
run, but it's only 2bit so it wouldn't be able to use all of
your RAM (unless you enable the PAE option which as its own
set of problems).  Also, MySQL runs faster when compiled for
64bit.

Best regards
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Re: sed/awk, instead of Perl

2008-08-26 Thread Oliver Fromme
Walt Pawley wrote:
 > wump$ time sed "s/ .*//" Desktop/klog > kadr1

Note that this is a job for cut(1):

$ cut -d" " -f1 input

Interestingly, the fastest way to do that job is to use
a regular expression with Python.  This is about twice
as fast as the proposed perl solution:

$ python -c 'import re; print re.sub(" .*\n", "\n", file("input").read())'

(Of course, in a script you would write that command in
a more readable way instead of trying to squeeze it all
on a single line.)

Best regards
   Oliver

PS:  Of course, if you really need the last percent of
speed, then you should write your own specialized tool
in C.

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Re: flowchart drawing tool for BSD

2008-08-26 Thread Pietro Cerutti

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| Anyone know of a good flowchart drawing tool for BSD?
| Something like Visio?

I use devel/bouml graphics/dia and netbeans's integrated UML drawing
tool on a regular basis. If you're already using NetBeans or you plan to
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| Laci

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Re: ports AUTOCONFxxx

2008-08-26 Thread N. Raghavendra
At 2008-08-26T16:37:28+08:00, joeb wrote:

> Why does the AUTOCONFxxx change the suffix between Freebsd releases?

>From `/usr/ports/UPDATING':

  20070930:
AFFECTS: everyone
AUTHOR: Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The ports tree has been migrated to the latest version of autoconf,
2.61.  Versions 2.53 and 2.59 were declared obsolete and removed.

> In 6.2 it was called AUTOCONF259 in 7.0 its called AUTOCONF261.  Is
> this not a violation of the naming convention?  The ports names are
> not suppose to carry the version number as part of its name.

I assume the convention you are referring to is from the Porter's
Handbook [5.2.5, Package Naming Conventions]:

  Otherwise, the PORTNAME should not contain any version-specific
  information. It is quite normal for several ports to have the same
  PORTNAME, as the www/apache* ports do; in that case, different
  versions (and different index entries) are distinguished by the
  PKGNAMEPREFIX, PKGNAMESUFFIX, and LATEST_LINK values.

There is no violation of this convention in this case:

% make -C /usr/ports/devel/autoconf261 -V PORTNAME
autoconf

In any case, the conventions are not followed strictly.  For instance,
the above section of the Porter's Handbook says, "The first letter of
the name part should be lowercase."  However,

% make -C /usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick -V PKGNAME
ImageMagick-6.4.1.8

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Re: sed html tags

2008-08-26 Thread An
Well, thanks, Yuri !

That worked much better than all that i had done ! But i have the problem
that I don't know what characters to expect... accents, ñ, etc... So i
really need a "get everything between the  and the first
"...

Regarding perl, it is perfect ! thanks !

The ? is critical ! Is it what makes what makes the .* non greedy ?


Thanks,

An M


On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Yuri Pankov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> An wrote:
> > unfortunately not... see:
> >
> > # cat file
> >  111     
> >
> > # sed -e 's/<\/?span[^>]*>//g' file
> >  111     
> >
> > (...nothing happens, the file is returned with no substitutions done)
> >
> >
> > I could do it with a perl script, which basically does what i would
> expect
> > sed would do:
> >
> > # cat pscript.pl
> > #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> > $text = " 111     >
> > 111   ";
> > $text =~ s/]*>[^\(<\/span>\)]*[\s]*<\/span>[\s]*//g;
> > print $text . "\n"
>
> $text =~ s#.*?\s*##g;
>
> > # perl pscript.pl
> >       
> >
> > "  .  " is removed... but i don't seem to be able to
> do
> > it with sed... : (
>
> regexps in sed are greedy and, sadly, you can't use *? as quantifier.
> try the following (adding characters that can be inside your ''
> tags, of course):
> sed 's#[ a-zA-Z0-9]*[ ]*##g'
>
> > Im on fedora c9, maybe that's the problem ?
> >
> > siran
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Paul A. Procacci <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> >> siran wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi, I have the string
> >>>
> >>>  111     
> >>>
> >>> And i wish to use sed to strip *only* the "" tag and its
> >>> contents... is this possible ? I'm trying this expression, but it
> >>> doesn't work...
> >>>
> >>> sed 's/\)]+<\/span>//g' file
> >>>
> >>> is there anything like it ?
> >>>
> >>> I would like to obtain
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I hope someone can help,
> >>>
> >>> thank you,
> >>>
> >>> siran
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> >> sed -E 's/<\/?span[^>]*>//g'
> >>
> >> Myabe that's what you want?
> >>
>
>
> HTH,
> Yuri
>
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Re[2]: inventory software?

2008-08-26 Thread Omer Faruk SEN


Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 11:07:31 AM, you wrote:

That's great... Thanks..

> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Wojciech Puchar <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Is there a inventory software in ports tree?


>> in base system - simply read /var/run/dmesg.boot


> sysutils/dmidecode

> cat pkg-descr
> Dmidecode is a tool or dumping a computer's DMI (some say SMBIOS) table
> contents in a human-readable format. The output contains a description of
> the
> system's hardware components, as well as other useful pieces of information
> such as serial numbers and BIOS revision.
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flowchart drawing tool for BSD

2008-08-26 Thread Dánielisz László
Anyone know of a good flowchart drawing tool for BSD?
Something like Visio?

Laci



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Re: apache22 and apache20

2008-08-26 Thread Matthew Seaman

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| How can I tell the ports system to use apache22 instead apache20 in all
| ports ? 
| 
| For example when I compile subversion ports he use apache20 and not
| apache22. 
| 
| Regards.


Stick this in /etc/make.conf:

WITH_APACHE2=   yes
APACHE_PORT=www/apache22

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: How to best communicate with my users

2008-08-26 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Jabber network), but this would require external accounts
and the installation of the proper client applications.


and all messages goes through some central server. unless it's not your 
server it's not secure - as using every huge corporation's services like 
gmail

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apache22 and apache20

2008-08-26 Thread Albert Shih
Hi all

How can I tell the ports system to use apache22 instead apache20 in all
ports ? 

For example when I compile subversion ports he use apache20 and not
apache22. 

Regards.
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Re: How to best communicate with my users

2008-08-26 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Pardon me for asking such a simple questions, but what is the best way of

1) messaging offline users on my system? No e-mail please, I want
something more concrete, something displayed immediately upon login,


funny to hear that e-mail is so bad ;)



2) talking to users logged onto my system? I find ntalk too
frustrating, and ytalk too ASCII artsy. Anything else out there under


no idea. i use ytalk
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Error compiling KVIRC

2008-08-26 Thread Warren Liddell
I have just compiled FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE with KDE4, done a 
complete portupgrade, build & install world & kernel ... below is the 
error when trying to install kvirc



c++ -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/ports/devel/qmake/work/qt-x11-
free-3.3.8/mkspecs/freebsd-g++ -I/usr/ports/devel/qmake/work/qt-x11-
free-3.3.8/src/tools -I/usr/ports/devel/qmake/work/qt-x11-
free-3.3.8/src/kernel -I/usr/ports/devel/qmake/work/qt-x11-
free-3.3.8/src/codecs -I/usr/ports/devel/qmake/work/qt-x11-
free-3.3.8/qmake/generators/. -I/usr/ports/devel/qmake/work/qt-x11-
free-3.3.8/qmake/generators/unix -I/usr/ports/devel/qmake/work/qt-x11-
free-3.3.8/qmake/generators/win32 -I/usr/ports/devel/qmake/work/qt-
x11-free-3.3.8/qmake/generators/mac -I. -
I"/usr/ports/devel/qmake/files" -DQT_NO_TEXTCODEC -
DQT_NO_UNICODETABLES -DQT_NO_COMPONENT  -
DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPRESS -
DQT_INSTALL_DATA="\"/usr/local/share/qt\""  -o qmake project.o 
property.o main.o makefile.o unixmake2.o unixmake.o msvc_nmake.o 
borland_bmake.o mingw_make.o msvc_dsp.o msvc_vcproj.o option.o 
winmakefile.o projectgenerator.o metrowerks_xml.o pbuilder_pbx.o 
msvc_objectmodel.o meta.o qtmd5.o qstring.o qtextstream.o 
qiodevice.o qglobal.o qgdict.o qcstring.o qdatastream.o 
qgarray.oqbuffer.o qglist.o qptrcollection.o qfile.o qfile_unix.o qregexp.o 
qgvector.o qgcache.o qbitarray.o qdir.o quuid.o qfileinfo_unix.o 
qdir_unix.o qfileinfo.o qdatetime.o qstringlist.o qmap.o qconfig.o 
qunicodetables.o qsettings.o qlocale.o
pbuilder_pbx.o: file not recognized: File truncated
*** Error code 1
1 error
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/ports/devel/qmake.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt33.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/irc/kvirc.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/irc/kvirc.

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Failure to Compile Konversation

2008-08-26 Thread Warren Liddell
I have just compiled FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE with KDE4, done a 
complete portupgrade build & install world & kernel ... below is the 
error when trying to install konversation
===

cc -std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -
DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -I../lgl -I../lgl -I../includes -
I../includes -I./x509 -I../libextra -I../lib/openpgp/ -I./opencdk -
I../lib/opencdk -I./minitasn1 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -fPIC 
-pipe -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wno-pointer-sign 
-MT gnutls_handshake.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/gnutls_handshake.Tpo -
c gnutls_handshake.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/gnutls_handshake.o
gnutls_handshake.c:3038: fatal error: opening dependency file 
.deps/gnutls_handshake.Tpo: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/gnutls/work/gnutls-2.4.1/lib.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/gnutls/work/gnutls-2.4.1/lib.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/gnutls/work/gnutls-2.4.1.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/gnutls/work/gnutls-2.4.1.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/gnutls.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/print/cups-base.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt33.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt33.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/irc/konversation.

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Re: How to best communicate with my users

2008-08-26 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:52:38 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1) messaging offline users on my system? No e-mail please, I want
> something more concrete, something displayed immediately upon login,
> no need to go via a third party app.

Allthough it might sound strange - you've given the correct
answer. You can use the system's mail system, sendmail, in
offline mode.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% mail -s "Important change" tim
Hi Tim,
please note that our system changed -this- to -that-.
And put the T.P.S. report in my box.
Thanks!
^D

...

Login: tim
Password:

You have new mail.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% mail
& t 1

...

& d 1
& ^D

The mail program isn't a third party app, it comes with the
FreeBSD OS (base system). See /etc/mail/* for introduction.

For important notices everyone should see right after login,
you may use /etc/motd. Things that should be displayed prior
to the login prompt can be placed into /etc/issue.



> 2) talking to users logged onto my system? I find ntalk too
> frustrating, and ytalk too ASCII artsy. Anything else out there under
> the sun?

The normal talk utility isn't appealing enough to you? :-)
There might be a solution to use an IM client (e. g. for the
Jabber network), but this would require external accounts
and the installation of the proper client applications.


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Re: How to best communicate with my users

2008-08-26 Thread Reko Turja
Pardon me for asking such a simple questions, but what is the best 
way of


1) messaging offline users on my system? No e-mail please, I want
something more concrete, something displayed immediately upon login,
no need to go via a third party app.


I'd edit /etc/motd and wrote my message in there - If I recall right 
there was an option of "force feeding" it to every user despite of 
user environment settings.


-Reko 


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Re: FreeBSD 5.4 chroot

2008-08-26 Thread Mihai Donțu
On Monday 25 August 2008, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> Mihai Donțu wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've just installed a FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE and I need a FreeBSD
> > 5.4-RELEASE chroot to build something in it (hw shortage). All nice and
> > dandy, until I hit a /dev problem:
> >
> > # svn up
> > svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/project'
> > svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/project': SSL negotiation failed: SSL disabled due
> > to lack of entropy (https://svn.host.com)
> >
> > # ls -l /dev/random
> > crw-rw-rw-  1 root  wheel  249,   0 Aug 25 16:19 /dev/random
> >
> > # cat /dev/random
> > cat: /dev/random: Socket operation on non-socket
> >
> > # rm /dev/random
> >
> > # mknod /dev/mknod random c 0 10 root:wheel
> >
> > # chmod 0666 /dev/random
> >
> > # ls -l /dev/random
> > crw-rw-rw-  1 root  wheel0,  10 Aug 25 18:28 /dev/random
> >
> > # cat /dev/random
> > cat: /dev/random: Socket operation on non-socket
> >
> > Clearly, all those years of Linux chroot-ing have affected my brain, but
> > Google isn't very helpful either. :) Could someone, please, hint me about
> > what I'm doing wrong?
>
> mount a devfs instance to create the devices (see mount_devfs) instead
> of trying to mknod them by hand.

Works like magic. :) Thanks!

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Re: I can't make world without the "games" group?

2008-08-26 Thread Redd Vinylene
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Giorgos Keramidas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:22 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Why can't I make world without the "games" group? I run a serious
>> server, not a kindergarten ;)
>>
>> I don't want the games group there, I just don't need it!
>
> Have you tried building with an src.conf file that includes:
>
>WITHOUT_GAMES='yes'
>
> It' not a matter of `kindergarten or not', but a matter of providing a
> predictable `base system' by default and all the knob and documentation
> to customize it at will.  That's why you can find a lot of customization
> options in the manpage of src.conf(5).
>
> For example, on a `production server' that is a bit limited in space,
> and doesn't really need compilers, debuggers, profiling tools, or three
> different firewalls, I would probably build with:
>
>WITHOUT_CVS=yes
>WITHOUT_GAMES='yes'
>WITHOUT_GCOV=yes
>WITHOUT_GDB=yes
>WITHOUT_IPFILTER=yes
>WITHOUT_IPX=yes
>WITHOUT_OBJC=yes
>WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
>WITHOUT_SHAREDOCS=yes
>
> I would also use WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes during `make installworld' runs,
> to skip installing all the gcc, g++ and debugger tools.
>
> The default `base system' still installs all these parts, but you are
> definitely *not* obliged to always install all of them.
>
> - Giorgos
>
>

Hello hello!

Yeah I actually tried that, but I got the same error.

I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon
my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why
can't he load it as a module, or install a port?

To quote some Frenchman: "Perfection is achieved, not when there's
nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away."

I worry slightly as I watch FreeBSD become bigger and bigger, fearing
that some day it'll all come tumbling down!

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Re: I can't make world without the "games" group?

2008-08-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:22 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why can't I make world without the "games" group? I run a serious
> server, not a kindergarten ;)
>
> I don't want the games group there, I just don't need it!

Have you tried building with an src.conf file that includes:

WITHOUT_GAMES='yes'

It' not a matter of `kindergarten or not', but a matter of providing a
predictable `base system' by default and all the knob and documentation
to customize it at will.  That's why you can find a lot of customization
options in the manpage of src.conf(5).

For example, on a `production server' that is a bit limited in space,
and doesn't really need compilers, debuggers, profiling tools, or three
different firewalls, I would probably build with:

WITHOUT_CVS=yes
WITHOUT_GAMES='yes'
WITHOUT_GCOV=yes
WITHOUT_GDB=yes
WITHOUT_IPFILTER=yes
WITHOUT_IPX=yes
WITHOUT_OBJC=yes
WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
WITHOUT_SHAREDOCS=yes

I would also use WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes during `make installworld' runs,
to skip installing all the gcc, g++ and debugger tools.

The default `base system' still installs all these parts, but you are
definitely *not* obliged to always install all of them.

- Giorgos

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How to best communicate with my users

2008-08-26 Thread Redd Vinylene
Hello hello!

Pardon me for asking such a simple questions, but what is the best way of

1) messaging offline users on my system? No e-mail please, I want
something more concrete, something displayed immediately upon login,
no need to go via a third party app.

2) talking to users logged onto my system? I find ntalk too
frustrating, and ytalk too ASCII artsy. Anything else out there under
the sun?

Much obliged, ladies and gentlemen.

Redd

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Re: inventory software?

2008-08-26 Thread TJ Varghese
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Wojciech Puchar <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there a inventory software in ports tree?
>>
>
> in base system - simply read /var/run/dmesg.boot


sysutils/dmidecode

cat pkg-descr
Dmidecode is a tool or dumping a computer's DMI (some say SMBIOS) table
contents in a human-readable format. The output contains a description of
the
system's hardware components, as well as other useful pieces of information
such as serial numbers and BIOS revision.
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ports AUTOCONFxxx

2008-08-26 Thread joeb
Why does the AUTOCONFxxx change the suffix between Freebsd releases?
In 6.2 it was called AUTOCONF259 in 7.0 its called AUTOCONF261.
Is this not a violation of the naming convention?
The ports names are not suppose to carry the version number as part of its
name.

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OpenLDAP amd64/i386 weirdness

2008-08-26 Thread O. Hartmann

Hello,

I made some strange experiences in running OpenLDAP 2.4.11 on both i386 
and amd64 architectures of the most recent FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE.


I already setup and run three servers (fourth is coming soon). Two of 
them are based on FreeBSD amd64, one is based on i386. The do have 
almost the same configuration, the same portrevision of both nss_ldap 
and pam_ldap I need to use (nss_ldap-1.257, pam_ldap-1.8.4), and, of 
course, the same OpenLDAP port 
(openldap-sasl-client-2.4.11,openldap-sasl-server-2.4.11) an the same 
SASL2 libraries taken from port (cyrus-sasl-ldapdb-2.1.22). So, this is 
the base on ALL boxes! Also the changes in /etc/pam.d/system, 
/etc/pam.d/sshd, /etc/pam.d/other and /etc/pam.d/passwd are exactly the 
same.

So, now the weird thing.

On all amd64-boxes I can config /etc/nsswitch.conf this way and it works:

passwd: compat
passwd_compat: ldap
group: compat
group_compat: ldap

The manpages do not reveal anything about 'ldap' is allowed (FreeBSD is 
in this case far behind anything else out the server market, a shame), I 
tried it and had success on all of my amd64-boxes. But using the same on 
the third i386-server fails. And now I'm asking myself what I've done 
magic or wrong or have overseen (a small piece in the chain of 
configurations) or is there indeed a difference between amd64 and i386 
in handling this?


Thanks in advance,
Oliver

P.S. Please respond to my email also, I'm not subscriber of the 
'questions' list. Thank you.

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Re: inventory software?

2008-08-26 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:01:38 +0300, Omer Faruk SEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>   Hello,
> 
> Is there a inventory software in ports tree? What i want is to learn all 
> hardware details (ram ,  cpu , mainboard etc. serial numbers and amount of 
> them). I need a simple program that does this but couldn't able to find in 
> ports tree

As long as the machines you want to list are FreeBSD, UNIX or at
least Linux, I'd suggest the following procedure (which will look
old-fashioned, but it includes the chance to learn and practice):

1. run dmesg on the machines

2. grep / awk for the data fields you're interested in

3. create a CSV database

4. add the information that can't be obtained automatically
   (e. g. serial numers)

5. convert the database into any format you like (e. g. XML)
   or just run on the CSV datasets for summarizing / counting
   informations

Yes, ugly suggestion, I know. But I think implementing this will
need less time than searching for a program to do it for you based
on trial & error. :-)


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Re: SATA, RAID and AHCI

2008-08-26 Thread DA Forsyth
On 26 Aug 2008 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] entreated 
about
 "freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 230, Issue 4":

> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:29:08 -0600
> Subject: SATA, RAID and AHCI
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This question is about the storage settings for this board (ASUS' name
> for it is "Storage Configuration").  In the CMOS (or whatever it's
> called these days, just out of curiousity, will FreeBSD support things
> like OpenBoot or UEFI on i386, sorry for the digression), I found
> where to turn the "Storage Configuration," as ASUS calls it, from
> "IDE," to "RAID," or "AHCI."  It's currently set to "IDE" because when
> set to RAID the MOBO apparently kept trying to put the SATA DVD drive
> as part of the RAID and when set to AHCI mode the install had hundreds
> of, "can't create symlink, no inodes free," during the copying of the
> files into the newly created file systems. 

strange things.  I have an Intel 965 board which has similar 
settings.  I had no trouble installing 7 Release using the RAID 
setting.  There is a ctrl+F10 or somesuch keypress during boot which 
takes one into the BIOS RAID setup, where you can choose which drives 
go into the RAID, and what form of RAID it is (mine is RAID5 across 
4x400Gb SATA drives).  The machine boots off 2x80G IDE drives in a 
gmirror arrangement.  Strangely, FBSD still recognizes the 4 SATA 
drives as individuals, and then loads the ar driver for the raid 
array.

> Now, I'm a complete neophyte to making these SATA RAID systems. 
> What's the magic to making it work, and how do you keep the DVD drive
> from being part of the RAID?  Also, what should be done for AHCI mode? 
> It looked as though in this mode the drives would perform *much*
> faster. 

RAID mode is what you want to make work.

As to speed.  my home machine runs Fedora Core and under FC5 I could 
not set to anything but 'IDE legacy mode' where it mapped all the 
SATA devices into the IDE space.  This severely affected access 
speed.  Since I use the box for multitrack sound recording, this was 
a big problem.   As soon as I could I upgraded to FC6 which has 
support for native SATA mode and now I get 50MB/s sustained write 
speed.  much happier writing 8 tracks at 48khz (-:

So, I suggest checking the BIOS for setup options that allow you to 
spec the RAID config.

oh, and replace the onboard lan with an Intel card.  they rock


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Re: inventory software?

2008-08-26 Thread Andrea Venturoli

Omer Faruk SEN ha scritto:


  Hello,

Is there a inventory software in ports tree? What i want is to learn all 
hardware details (ram ,  cpu , mainboard etc. serial numbers and amount of 
them). I need a simple program that does this but couldn't able to find in 
ports tree



If you want to that for a whole network, you might try 
net-mgmt/ocsinventory-ng.


 bye
av.
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Re: inventory software?

2008-08-26 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Is there a inventory software in ports tree?


in base system - simply read /var/run/dmesg.boot

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inventory software?

2008-08-26 Thread Omer Faruk SEN


  Hello,

Is there a inventory software in ports tree? What i want is to learn all 
hardware details (ram ,  cpu , mainboard etc. serial numbers and amount of 
them). I need a simple program that does this but couldn't able to find in 
ports tree

Thanks in advance.

Regards.

-- 
Best regards,
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Joy stick not being detected!

2008-08-26 Thread Ian Smith
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:55:57 + Christopher Joyner wrote:

 > I have a Gravis GamePad Pro hooked up to a ISA SBLive!
 > emu10k1 loads, but the joy stick is not detected.
 > 
 > I am loading the module manually, kldload joy, only loads but no feedback.
 > 
 > Am I missing something?

Try the one-line perl example in joy(4) to see if your joystick works, 
for some value of 'works' .. ie actually logs changing axis values and 
button press/release status.

I don't think there's any specific support for joysticks, you pretty 
much have to write your own.  With what program did you hope to use it?

Years ago I wrote a little rexx program that read (pseudo) joystick X,Y 
values and button (actually relay switch) values for detecting and 
controlling shutdown conditions for a simple-interface Liebert UPS, 
using the standard joystick / MIDI port on a couple of ISA cards.

>From memory it only worked right when device joy was compiled into 
kernel, not kldloaded - but that was way back around FreeBSD 3.3 ..

cheers, Ian
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