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Re: NAT: Handbook vs mailing list
On 2013-10-08 06:21, Chris Stankevitz wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-natd.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-April/229017.html Hello, Handbook section 31.9.3 suggests I should, among other things, add the line ipdivert_load=YES to /boot/loader.conf when setting up NAT. The mailing list message linked above suggests that the handbook information is the old way and that the correct way is to set ipfw_enable and natd_enable in rc.conf. Then /etc/rc.d/ipfw will load ipfw.ko, and if natd_enable is set, will invoke /etc/rc.d/natd, which loads ipdivert.ko at the right time. My inclination is to follow the handbook, but I thought I should first check to ensure the handbook is up-to-date. Thank you, This is my rc.conf with ipf (ipfilter) firewall. # Bring up the ipfilter software ipfilter_enable=YES ipmon_enable=YES # Start IP monitor log ipmon_flags=-D -f /var/log/ipf.log ## Tell ipfilter where to get its rules ipfilter_rules=/etc/ipf.rules #Enable ipnat ipnat_enable=YES #Tell ipnat where to get its rules ipnat_rules=/etc/ipnat.rules ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NAT: Handbook vs mailing list
Olivier Nicole wrote: [snip] The mailing list message linked above suggests that the handbook information is the old way and that the correct way is to set ipfw_enable and natd_enable in rc.conf. Then /etc/rc.d/ipfw will load ipfw.ko, and if natd_enable is set, will invoke /etc/rc.d/natd, which loads ipdivert.ko at the right time. From what you copied/explained, natd_enable will load ipdivert.ko and the handbook suggests that you load ipdivert.ko, so either way the module will be loaded. I'd go with the ipfw_enable and natd_enable as it may also do other needed things than just loading a kernel module. +1 on this. It is also present in the /etc/defaults/rc.conf this way as well (of course, use /etc/rc.conf for override customization). The original situation referred to early in the mailing-list content was a timing related problem where the ipdivert module would fail, even after ipfw loading _did_ succeed. Most of the 'old way' is a holdover from before the init system brought in the rc.subr startup scripts (imported from netbsd if memory serves). There have been a couple of hiccups along the way concerning the order things are started. For example, it doesn't really work to start a dhcp client prior to successful network initiate completion. Over time the rc.subr system has evolved and been cleaned up. A long time ago I eschewed running mergemaster when doing source-based upgrades. Just didn't like it and it never seemed like not doing it hurt anything. For quite some time I never experienced any problem with this approach. However, this eventually did bite me in the rump in a very bad way! :-) When running mergemaster while upgrading to a new release you may see these scripts being updated. So they are continuing to evolve, and a lot of this is to start up and configure things as the system comes up in a 'correct' and coherent order. So imho the Handbook is a wee bit outdated. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
NAT: Handbook vs mailing list
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-natd.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-April/229017.html Hello, Handbook section 31.9.3 suggests I should, among other things, add the line ipdivert_load=YES to /boot/loader.conf when setting up NAT. The mailing list message linked above suggests that the handbook information is the old way and that the correct way is to set ipfw_enable and natd_enable in rc.conf. Then /etc/rc.d/ipfw will load ipfw.ko, and if natd_enable is set, will invoke /etc/rc.d/natd, which loads ipdivert.ko at the right time. My inclination is to follow the handbook, but I thought I should first check to ensure the handbook is up-to-date. Thank you, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NAT: Handbook vs mailing list
Chris, On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-natd.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-April/229017.html Hello, Handbook section 31.9.3 suggests I should, among other things, add the line ipdivert_load=YES to /boot/loader.conf when setting up NAT. The mailing list message linked above suggests that the handbook information is the old way and that the correct way is to set ipfw_enable and natd_enable in rc.conf. Then /etc/rc.d/ipfw will load ipfw.ko, and if natd_enable is set, will invoke /etc/rc.d/natd, which loads ipdivert.ko at the right time. From what you copied/explained, natd_enable will load ipdivert.ko and the handbook suggests that you load ipdivert.ko, so either way the module will be loaded. I'd go with the ipfw_enable and natd_enable as it may also do other needed things than just loading a kernel module. best regards, Olivier My inclination is to follow the handbook, but I thought I should first check to ensure the handbook is up-to-date. Thank you, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Re: # portmaster -r pixman fails with !#/bin/sh list too long
On 10/03/2013 20:28, Antonio Olivares wrote: Have tried that, but it rebuilds pixman, but then X bombs out blurting out messages that libpixman.so is missing :( I have tried to remove print/texlive-scheme-full; removed it, but then run portmaster -R pixman, and portmaster -r pixman and the running of it stops with message that !#/bin/sh .. argument too long and comes up with texlive-?-?-_1 or similar. Have not been successful in fixing this issue. I have 2 machines working and 2 not working because of this. I am running out of ideas. Is there another way to fix this issue manually, i.e, going to /usr/ports/x11/pixman and rebuilding it there or have to go one by one? Is it vital to use the texlive ports you get via portshaker or could you switch to TEX_DEFAULT=texlive and use the texlive 2012 from official ports (which has a few huge instead of many tiny packages)? (If you want to switch, remove everything starting with texlive, check out a fresh ports tree without portshaker, since there is at least one port with the same name, and install print/texlive-full and maybe print/texlive-docs.) Cheers, Jan Henrik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: # portmaster -r pixman fails with !#/bin/sh list too long
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Antonio Olivares wrote: Have tried that, but it rebuilds pixman, but then X bombs out blurting out messages that libpixman.so is missing :( I have tried to remove print/texlive-scheme-full; removed it, but then run portmaster -R pixman, and portmaster -r pixman and the running of it stops with message that !#/bin/sh .. argument too long and comes up with texlive-?-?-_1 or similar. Have not been successful in fixing this issue. I have 2 machines working and 2 not working because of this. I am running out of ideas. Is there another way to fix this issue manually, i.e, going to /usr/ports/x11/pixman and rebuilding it there or have to go one by one? Careful: -R has a different meaning with portmaster than it does with portupgrade. It does not mean recursive like lowercase -r. pkg_libchk from sysutils/bsdadminscripts can be used to detect installed ports that depend on missing libraries. From that, it may be possible to just give a list of all the ones that are missing pixman to portmaster. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: # portmaster -r pixman fails with !#/bin/sh list too long
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Antonio Olivares wrote: Have tried that, but it rebuilds pixman, but then X bombs out blurting out messages that libpixman.so is missing :( I have tried to remove print/texlive-scheme-full; removed it, but then run portmaster -R pixman, and portmaster -r pixman and the running of it stops with message that !#/bin/sh .. argument too long and comes up with texlive-?-?-_1 or similar. Have not been successful in fixing this issue. I have 2 machines working and 2 not working because of this. I am running out of ideas. Is there another way to fix this issue manually, i.e, going to /usr/ports/x11/pixman and rebuilding it there or have to go one by one? Careful: -R has a different meaning with portmaster than it does with portupgrade. It does not mean recursive like lowercase -r. pkg_libchk from sysutils/bsdadminscripts can be used to detect installed ports that depend on missing libraries. From that, it may be possible to just give a list of all the ones that are missing pixman to portmaster. Dear all, It appears that using # portmaster -d -r pixman -x 'texlive-*-*' is doing the job :) I am keeping my fingers crossed and hope it comes through and succeeds! It stopped with libexo, but got that sorted out. Then stopped with mplayer*, but I am skipping it at this time. -x 'mplayer-*' and hope it succeeds, I'll then rebuild mplayer later if needed. Best Regards, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: # portmaster -r pixman fails with !#/bin/sh list too long
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Lowell Gilbert
freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org wrote:
Antonio Olivares olivares14...@gmail.com writes:
I tried your advice with the -R option, it worked, but for only pixman
the other ports that depend on it don't get rebuilt :(
I try to use -x 'texlive-*' but it does not work :(
I get
Could not execute shell
/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk, line 1192: warning /usr/bin/awk
'/^#define[[:blank:]]FreeBSD_version/ {print $3}
/usr/include/sys/param.h returned non-zero status
/usr/local/sbin/portmaster: rm: Argument list too long
and it justs sits there. Out of 3 machines only 1 is working because
I overlooked the pixman update entry in /usr/src/UPDATING :(
Please advice me as to how to get the desktop working again on these
machines. I did not want to shoot myself in the foot but I did so :(
Try the '-R' again; it may get a bit farther each time.
You can always recover by removing some of the ports and reinstalling
them after the remaining ports are updated. You're going to have to
rebuild a huge number of ports anyway, so this is not very different
from using portmaster on everything.
Good luck.
Have tried that, but it rebuilds pixman, but then X bombs out blurting
out messages that libpixman.so is missing :(
I have tried to remove print/texlive-scheme-full; removed it, but then
run portmaster -R pixman, and portmaster -r pixman and the running of
it stops with message that !#/bin/sh .. argument too long and comes up
with texlive-?-?-_1 or similar. Have not been successful in
fixing this issue. I have 2 machines working and 2 not working
because of this. I am running out of ideas. Is there another way to
fix this issue manually, i.e, going to /usr/ports/x11/pixman and
rebuilding it there or have to go one by one?
Thanks for your advice and suggestions but I am not getting there :(
Best Regards,
Antonio
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Re: # portmaster -r pixman fails with !#/bin/sh list too long
Antonio Olivares olivares14...@gmail.com writes: Dear folks, In updating ports I encounter above issue and cannot proceed. 20130929: AFFECTS: users of x11/pixman AUTHOR: zeis...@freebsd.org The library version of x11/pixman has changed, and portrevision has been bumped in all dependent ports. If you have external software that depends on pixman, this software needs to be recompiled. To recompile all software dependent on pixman, run: # portmaster -r pixman or # portupgrade -rf pixman The messages are that a pkg texlive-ub* and that #!/bin/sh list too long. I try to run # portmaster -d -r pixman -x 'texlive-*' but it still fails in the same place :( I continued with portmaster's -R option and got a lot further. You could try either that or the command line that portmaster suggests when it bails out. I am using texlive-freebsd from Romain Tartiere's googlecode page in case it is important. Please advice me so I can succeed to fix these issue. I lost X because I failed to read the /usr/src/UPDATING advice and then I realized that I overlooked this :( I don't think that texlive is relevant; if you continue the process instead of starting from scratch, you'll probably get farther. I'd prefer to actually debug the problem at its root, but it's the middle of the night and I don't seem to have enough brain cells awake to figure anything out. Good luck. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: # portmaster -r pixman fails with !#/bin/sh list too long
Dear Sir,
I tried your advice with the -R option, it worked, but for only pixman
the other ports that depend on it don't get rebuilt :(
I try to use -x 'texlive-*' but it does not work :(
I get
Could not execute shell
/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk, line 1192: warning /usr/bin/awk
'/^#define[[:blank:]]FreeBSD_version/ {print $3}
/usr/include/sys/param.h returned non-zero status
/usr/local/sbin/portmaster: rm: Argument list too long
and it justs sits there. Out of 3 machines only 1 is working because
I overlooked the pixman update entry in /usr/src/UPDATING :(
Please advice me as to how to get the desktop working again on these
machines. I did not want to shoot myself in the foot but I did so :(
Best Regards,
Antonio
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Lowell Gilbert
freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org wrote:
Antonio Olivares olivares14...@gmail.com writes:
Dear folks,
In updating ports I encounter above issue and cannot proceed.
20130929:
AFFECTS: users of x11/pixman
AUTHOR: zeis...@freebsd.org
The library version of x11/pixman has changed, and portrevision has
been bumped in all dependent ports. If you have external software that
depends on pixman, this software needs to be recompiled.
To recompile all software dependent on pixman, run:
# portmaster -r pixman
or
# portupgrade -rf pixman
The messages are that a pkg texlive-ub* and that #!/bin/sh list
too long. I try to run
# portmaster -d -r pixman -x 'texlive-*'
but it still fails in the same place :(
I continued with portmaster's -R option and got a lot further. You
could try either that or the command line that portmaster suggests
when it bails out.
I am using texlive-freebsd from Romain Tartiere's googlecode page in
case it is important. Please advice me so I can succeed to fix these
issue. I lost X because I failed to read the /usr/src/UPDATING advice
and then I realized that I overlooked this :(
I don't think that texlive is relevant; if you continue the process
instead of starting from scratch, you'll probably get farther.
I'd prefer to actually debug the problem at its root, but it's the
middle of the night and I don't seem to have enough brain cells awake
to figure anything out.
Good luck.
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Re: # portmaster -r pixman fails with !#/bin/sh list too long
Antonio Olivares olivares14...@gmail.com writes:
I tried your advice with the -R option, it worked, but for only pixman
the other ports that depend on it don't get rebuilt :(
I try to use -x 'texlive-*' but it does not work :(
I get
Could not execute shell
/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk, line 1192: warning /usr/bin/awk
'/^#define[[:blank:]]FreeBSD_version/ {print $3}
/usr/include/sys/param.h returned non-zero status
/usr/local/sbin/portmaster: rm: Argument list too long
and it justs sits there. Out of 3 machines only 1 is working because
I overlooked the pixman update entry in /usr/src/UPDATING :(
Please advice me as to how to get the desktop working again on these
machines. I did not want to shoot myself in the foot but I did so :(
Try the '-R' again; it may get a bit farther each time.
You can always recover by removing some of the ports and reinstalling
them after the remaining ports are updated. You're going to have to
rebuild a huge number of ports anyway, so this is not very different
from using portmaster on everything.
Good luck.
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# portmaster -r pixman fails with !#/bin/sh list too long
Dear folks, In updating ports I encounter above issue and cannot proceed. 20130929: AFFECTS: users of x11/pixman AUTHOR: zeis...@freebsd.org The library version of x11/pixman has changed, and portrevision has been bumped in all dependent ports. If you have external software that depends on pixman, this software needs to be recompiled. To recompile all software dependent on pixman, run: # portmaster -r pixman or # portupgrade -rf pixman The messages are that a pkg texlive-ub* and that #!/bin/sh list too long. I try to run # portmaster -d -r pixman -x 'texlive-*' but it still fails in the same place :( I am using texlive-freebsd from Romain Tartiere's googlecode page in case it is important. Please advice me so I can succeed to fix these issue. I lost X because I failed to read the /usr/src/UPDATING advice and then I realized that I overlooked this :( Best Regards, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Unban my second address from the mailing list
Hi, A long time ago, my domain malikania.fr has been banned because of lot bounces, now the server is working and running. I sometime send some PR directly from my server using this domain, thus I would like to be unbanned (the mail wasn't sent and postfix was saying that my domain is forbidden...). Can you unban my domain please? If I don't post to the good mailing-list, just le me know. Regards, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Unban my second address from the mailing list
David Demelier wrote: Hi, A long time ago, my domain malikania.fr has been banned because of lot bounces, now the server is working and running. I sometime send some PR directly from my server using this domain, thus I would like to be unbanned (the mail wasn't sent and postfix was saying that my domain is forbidden...). Can you unban my domain please? If I don't post to the good mailing-list, just le me know. No, it's not correct to mail the list for this. For list specific issues: Most lists on Internet use conventions of owner-LISTNAME@ or LISTNAME-owner@ (often admins alias one to the other so both work), so if you get a bounce, mail the other) http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions also lists: moderators at freebsd.org But in this case as it's a domain issue, mail postmas...@freebsd.org Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Unban my second address from the mailing list
On 22.09.2013 22:02, Julian H. Stacey wrote: David Demelier wrote: Hi, A long time ago, my domain malikania.fr has been banned because of lot bounces, now the server is working and running. I sometime send some PR directly from my server using this domain, thus I would like to be unbanned (the mail wasn't sent and postfix was saying that my domain is forbidden...). Can you unban my domain please? If I don't post to the good mailing-list, just le me know. No, it's not correct to mail the list for this. For list specific issues: Most lists on Internet use conventions of owner-LISTNAME@ or LISTNAME-owner@ (often admins alias one to the other so both work), so if you get a bounce, mail the other) http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions also lists: moderators at freebsd.org But in this case as it's a domain issue, mail postmas...@freebsd.org Cheers, Julian Okay thanks, I'll forward the original message ! Regards, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Potential Vulnerabilities list on US Cert
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 483, Issue 2, Message: 1 On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 10:41:44 -0400 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: I usually check the US Cert listing every week to see if anything interesting is listed. https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/bulletins/SB13-245 I discovered that there are two listings for FreeBSD: 1) http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2013-3077 2) http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2013-5209 I just thought that users should be aware of this. Thanks for the thought, Jerry. To add to Lowell's assurance .. If you followed the links in those vuln reports to the FreeBSD Security Advisories and source patches for all supported FreeBSD versions, that were applied prior to their announcement on 22nd August in (at least) the freebsd-security@ and freebsd-announce@ lists, you could have known a week sooner :) Anyone running a FreeBSD system with possibly untrusted local users running multicast (in the case of CVE-2013-3077) or running servers using SCTP (in the case of CVE-2013-5209) would naturally have read these and have applied updates before the CERT advisories appeared. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Potential Vulnerabilities list on US Cert
I usually check the US Cert listing every week to see if anything interesting is listed. https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/bulletins/SB13-245 I discovered that there are two listings for FreeBSD: 1) http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2013-3077 2) http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2013-5209 I just thought that users should be aware of this. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Potential Vulnerabilities list on US Cert
These are the sctp vulnerabilitiese from a week or two back. Anyone following the Security Advisories can safely ignore these; they were issued after the relevant advisories and patches, and consist of nothing but pointers to the previous information. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Potential Vulnerabilities list on US Cert
Jerry je...@seibercom.net writes: I usually check the US Cert listing every week to see if anything interesting is listed. https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/bulletins/SB13-245 I discovered that there are two listings for FreeBSD: 1) http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2013-3077 2) http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2013-5209 I just thought that users should be aware of this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD's CUPS / Postscript / Printing mailing-list
Hello, I'm now and than in the need of discussing CUPS / Postscript related printing questions. In the past there was www.cups.org with a CUPS related bug tracking system and user forums around CUPS. It seems that the server crashed some time ago and it's unknown when (and how) it will come back to life. Even when, it seems that some important part of CUPS (the text filters) is split away to the 'open printing folks', and I'm unsure if the forums will cover the full tool chain: from the file, through the job scheduler, filters, backend and printer device. That's why I wanted to ask, what about our own mailing list like freebsd-printing@ ? Even in the new age of colourful images, printing is essential for servers, and sometimes a tough job. Comments? matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ngctl list ?
Teske
Here is my results
Without netgraph compiled into the kernel, issuing ngctl list command
on the host only shows the socket for ngctl.
After I issue the kldload command on the host for netgraph ng_bridge
ng_eiface ng_ether ng_socket, then issuing ngctl list command now
shows the real NIC interface device names.
Thanks for you insight.
I have another problem.
To standardize my bridge and eiface names I want to use the JID number
as a suffix.
jid=`jls -j ${jailname} jid`
bridge_name=bridge${jid}
When creating the bridge it gets assigned bridge_name just like I want.
I want to assign the ${jid} to the ieface peer name and can not figure
out the syntax. This is the command I am using now
ngctl mkpeer eiface ether ether
This creates a default name of ngeth0
I would be ok with ngeth${jid}
But would really like to assign my own peer name vetjail${jid}
Does the mkpeer syntax allow doing this?
Thanks
Joe
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Re: ngctl list ?
On May 20, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Joe wrote:
[…]
Without netgraph compiled into the kernel, issuing ngctl list command on
the host only shows the socket for ngctl.
After I issue the kldload command on the host for netgraph ng_bridge
ng_eiface ng_ether ng_socket, then issuing ngctl list command now shows the
real NIC interface device names.
Thanks for you insight.
Cool… glad module-based ng_ether is working. (in 8.1 the ng_* modules all
worked, but for ng_ether, it wasn't producing the expected results as a module
-- glad that's been fixed).
I have another problem.
To standardize my bridge and eiface names I want to use the JID number as a
suffix.
jid=`jls -j ${jailname} jid`
bridge_name=bridge${jid}
When creating the bridge it gets assigned bridge_name just like I want.
I want to assign the ${jid} to the ieface peer name and can not figure out
the syntax. This is the command I am using now
ngctl mkpeer eiface ether ether
The syntax for renaming anything in netgraph with ngctl (non-interactively) is
ngctl name node new_name.
First you create the node and then you rename it.
As an aside...
It looks like you're creating the eiface separately from connecting it to the
bridge. You can combine the mkpeer and the (not shown) later connect by doing
a contextual mpeer (which will result in a peer being created that is already
connected to the bridge).
For example:
ngctl mkpeer rl0:lower eiface link# ether
You're creating a new eiface peer off the rl0:lower ether device and assigning
the link all in one go.
rl0 is your ng_ether device and rl0:lower is (presumably) your ng_bridge
device. link# is the new link to create. To find the # value in link#, I
run a loop that starts from 2 (because rl0:upper is link0, and rl0:lower is
link1) and counts upward until it finds an unused link#.
How I test for the existence of a link is by issuing:
ngctl info rl0:lower getstats #
Where # is the link# you're interested in. So here's the loop I run to find
link#
LINKNUM=2
while ngctl msg rl0:bridge getstats $LINKNUM /dev/null 21; do
LINKNUM=$(($LINKNUM+1))
done
At that point, I've calculated LINKNUM and can then issue the above command
with:
ngctl mkpeer rl0:lower eiface link$LINKNUM ether
NOTE: Again, assuming your ng_ether device is rl0 (a Realtek NIC; replace
with em0, bge0, or whatever as needed).
Resulting in a new eiface that is already connected to the bridge (previously
connected to rl0:lower).
Now… to rename that interface…
ngctl name rl0:lower:link$LINKNUM desired_name
But once you've done that, you're not finished yet. You now need to rename the
interface using ifconfig.
The syntax for renaming interfaces visible to ifconfig(8) is:
ifconfig old_name name new_name
The old name is obtainable with the following ngctl syntax:
ngctl show -n rl0:lower:link$LINKNUM
NOTE: It's the second word, so | awk '{print $2}' is handy here
Once you've got that value, you can then do your ifconfig re-naming. This is
the safe way to do the renaming (interrogate netgraph for the ifconfig name
using the above method).
NOTE: The netgraph renaming is entirely optional (should have mentioned that
earlier); all that is really needed is the ifconfig renaming (using the ngctl
show syntax to parse out the current ifconfig name for a peer). However, one of
the things that the netgraph-based naming buys you is that when you dump the
current config (using ngctl dot), you have a good mapping of eifaces-to-JIDs;
in my case… with the vimage script I developed… this is why I actually tend to
favor the jail-name truncated to fit into the interface name… it's much more
useful than staring at a graphviz rendering holding nothing but JIDs).
This creates a default name of ngeth0
I would be ok with ngeth${jid}
But would really like to assign my own peer name vetjail${kid}
All you really need is the above recipe and you should be on your way. Let me
know if you need additional help.
Does the mkpeer syntax allow doing this?
Well… not really. The name syntax of ngctl allows this.
Thanks
Cheers.
--
Devin
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ngctl list ?
When I issue ngctl list command on the host it only shows the socket for ngctl. I thought it would also show the real NIC interface device names. Am I wrong in thinking that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ngctl list ?
On May 19, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Joe wrote: When I issue ngctl list command on the host it only shows the socket for ngctl. I thought it would also show the real NIC interface device names. Am I wrong in thinking that? No, you're not wrong, however one wrinkle is that ng_ether(4) has to be compiled-in to get the netgraph subsystem to attach to your real NIC interfaces. On the system where you're executing ngctl list (same thing as ngctl ls), can you execute: config -x `sysctl -n kern.bootfile` | grep NETGRAPH_ETHER and get back something like the following (which I get back from my system): options NETGRAPH_ETHER # ng_ether(4) (and on that system, I get the following for ngctl ls) r...@folsom.vicor.commailto:r...@folsom.vicor.com ~ # ngctl ls There are 16 total nodes: Name: em0 Type: ether ID: 0003 Num hooks: 0 Name: em1 Type: ether ID: 0004 Num hooks: 0 Name: em2 Type: ether ID: 0005 Num hooks: 0 Name: ng0_beefcakeType: eiface ID: 0018 Num hooks: 1 Name: ng0_stats Type: eiface ID: 000f Num hooks: 1 Name: ngctl21992 Type: socket ID: 005f Num hooks: 0 Name: ng0_cfg0_vlbxri Type: eiface ID: 0024 Num hooks: 1 Name: igb0bridge Type: bridge ID: 0008 Num hooks: 4 Name: ng0_ipu0a_vlbxr Type: eiface ID: 0037 Num hooks: 1 Name: ng0_ipm0_vlbxri Type: eiface ID: 002d Num hooks: 1 Name: igb1bridge Type: bridge ID: 001d Num hooks: 8 Name: ng0_oos0a_vlbxr Type: eiface ID: 0042 Num hooks: 1 Name: ng0_opm0_vlbxri Type: eiface ID: 004e Num hooks: 1 Name: ng0_wss0a_vlbxr Type: eiface ID: 005b Num hooks: 1 Name: igb0Type: ether ID: 0001 Num hooks: 2 Name: igb1Type: ether ID: 0002 Num hooks: 2 NOTE: Alternatively… if you don't get a response back from config(8) similar to the above,… does kldstat show an ng_ether entry? I think last time I tried to load ng_ether(4) as a module (versus compiled-in), it didn't list any of my ether devices (Type: ether in above ngctl ls output). -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:15:35 -0400 Jerry wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:03:01 +0100 RW articulated: On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:45:29 -0400 Jerry wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 RW articulated: On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!, apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly configured MTA, I don't see a problem with backscatter. Now, if they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just subscribing to a list. Out of Office replies, sieve rejects, anti-spam challenges etc Yes, an incorrectly configured MTA or one of its milters. Not especially There are ways to deal with these assholes. Only some of it, and there's no general way of dealing with the out-of-list component. Allowing a blanket open-door policy is like setting file permissions on everything to 0777 just because you are to lazy to find a correct solution to a problem. Actually requiring subscription is pretty much like setting 0777, it's really only a protection against accidental list spamming. If a spammer actually wanted to spam lists he could harvest subscribed addresses, or simply subscribe. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:33 +0100 Bruce Cran articulated: There have been some discussions about this in the past. freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it. Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I would seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All that the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam merchants and Trolls. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:18:18PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: I'm a big fan of _not_ having to subscribe to a list to get a quick hand with a one off problem (obviously not this one!)- otherwise too many lists get subscribed to, oodles of messages come in which you can't do anything about and so forth (so its not simply just a matter of subscribe, unsubscribe as noted). I concur with you, which is why point #2 in my message (which I've elided for brevity here) comes into play: if the list-owners set the subscribers only flag in Mailman, then messages from nonsubscribers will be held for their attention. I don't think it's unreasonable or particularly burdensome to request that they check that queue once a day or so, and decide how to dispose of those messages. I should also expand on that to mention that Mailman offers a number of choices on how that disposition is handled: list-owners can choose, for example, to add the address in question to a list of non-subscribers permitted to post, so that subsequent traffic from the same person won't be held up and require attention. I've found this quite useful for cases where interested individuals send traffic sporadically. I've also found it quite useful to note the email addresses of obvious spammers and block them at the MTA, because they'll often step through *all* the mailing lists sequentially and it becomes tedious to discard the same spam over and over. Blocking at the MTA alleviates this problem. Another way to put it is that while using this method involves a small initial effort, it has the significant advantage of not requiring any action on the part of legitimate message senders, and the effort required by list-owners diminishes over time. It also doesn't require any coding effort or external plumbing. Aside from all that, the last suggestion (4) should be possible using some simple filtering without the need to change the subscription parameters. It could be possible to even do it automatically saving further work on a list-owner. I urge caution on that: oh, it's a fine idea, but introducing automation into that process has its issues/risks. In practice, I've found (having run many mailing lists over many years) that the manual workload is so small that it's not worth automating. Since I've now opened my big mouth on this topic twice: if the list-owners are paying attention and wish assistance with this, I'm certainly willing to help out. ---rsk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On 17/05/2013 11:42, Jerry wrote: Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I would seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All that the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam merchants and Trolls. Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!, apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: On 17/05/2013 11:42, Jerry wrote: Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I would seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All that the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam merchants and Trolls. Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!, apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. It seems to me that the level of spam in list is pretty much negligible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 RW articulated: On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: On 17/05/2013 11:42, Jerry wrote: Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I would seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All that the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam merchants and Trolls. Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!, apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly configured MTA, I don't see a problem with backscatter. Now, if they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just subscribing to a list. It seems to me that the level of spam in list is pretty much negligible. That would be a subjective statement. It is like asking how many times you have to slap your wife before you are considered a wife beater. Interestingly enough, the FBI won't classify you as a serial killer until you have killed a minimum of three people. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:45:29 -0400 Jerry wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 RW articulated: On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!, apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly configured MTA, I don't see a problem with backscatter. Now, if they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just subscribing to a list. Out of Office replies, sieve rejects, anti-spam challenges etc ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:03:01 +0100 RW articulated: On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:45:29 -0400 Jerry wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 RW articulated: On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!, apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly configured MTA, I don't see a problem with backscatter. Now, if they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just subscribing to a list. Out of Office replies, sieve rejects, anti-spam challenges etc Yes, an incorrectly configured MTA or one of its milters. There are ways to deal with these assholes. Allowing a blanket open-door policy is like setting file permissions on everything to 0777 just because you are to lazy to find a correct solution to a problem. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On 05/17/2013 05:45, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 It seems to me that the level of spam in list is pretty much negligible. That would be a subjective statement. It is like asking how many times you have to slap your wife before you are considered a wife beater. Interestingly enough, the FBI won't classify you as a serial killer until you have killed a minimum of three people. This has gotten to the point of the ridiculous now. Comparing a few spam to wife beating and serial killers? That's just patently offensive, quite frankly. All this bike shedding and crosstalk has produced far more pointless email than all the spam I've gotten from this list in the last month. Capitalism: we brought you the pop-up ad. -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) da...@vicor.com david.robi...@fisglobal.com _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 10:53 -0700, Robison, Dave wrote: All this bike shedding and crosstalk has produced far more pointless email than all the spam I've gotten from this list in the last month. I don't know if those mails where pointless, but there were much mails and I only read two or three mails including this, IOW there was at least much traffic caused by this discussion, that has less to do with questions about FreeBSD, IMO this is ok, I like OT talk myself, even if I wasn't interested in this discussion. I'm subscribed to trillions of mailing lists, perhaps a few less than trillions and several open mailing lists, including this one. I don't get much spam and it's easy to filter the few junk mails I receive. The few spam I get can't be eliminated by any method. The internet is the Wilde West, it makes me wonder that I get that less spam. It's said, that for all long discussions in the Internet, soon or later somebody will mention the Nazis and if somebody mentions the Nazis, an Internet discussion has reached it's end. The Nazis where some kind of serial killers, so perhaps this is the reason to stop this discussion. I hope there wasn't a flame war, I really didn't read this thread. Please stay peacefully folks ;). We can't get rid of all junk mail and seriously, we can't get rid of all evil on this planet. Some people really do very bad crimes, so we shouldn't waste much time in thinking about spam. Polemical comparison does hurt some people, but I guess it should be ok, if somebody makes an inappropriate comparison. We should be allowed to write without keeping political correctness 24/7 in mind. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:53:39AM -0700, Robison, Dave wrote: This has gotten to the point of the ridiculous now. Comparing a few spam to wife beating and serial killers? That's just patently offensive, quite frankly. All this bike shedding and crosstalk has produced far more pointless email than all the spam I've gotten from this list in the last month. What he said, +infinity. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On 11/05/2013 02:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out. There have been some discussions about this in the past. freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Bruce Cran wrote: On 11/05/2013 02:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out. There have been some discussions about this in the past. freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it. That burdens FreeBSD lists with clueless, lazy non subscribers, spammers. Web forums exist for those too lame to subscribe forums can have Captcha. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Hi, On Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:33 +0100 Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On 11/05/2013 02:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out. There have been some discussions about this in the past. freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it. we running in a circle here. I noticed that on other FreeBSD lists, a moderator enables later mails which are sent from an unregistered address. Why can't this be done here? Get a group of volunteers in different time zones to handle this and off we go. Of course, I could be one of them in the Eastern World. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On May 14, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: I'm a big fan of _not_ having to subscribe to a list to get a quick hand with a one off problem (obviously not this one!)- otherwise too many lists get subscribed to, oodles of messages come in which you can't do anything about and so forth (so its not simply just a matter of subscribe, unsubscribe as noted). Unfortunately, many see it as a spam filter and thereby abuse it. How often do you need help with an issue with libreoffice, mozilla whatever, or other application? And yet subscription is compulsory and a ton of messages (devs convs mostly) come flooding in within minutes. Other lists I have been on had both a list and a forum that accessed the same content. While I see that FreeBSD has both, I do not think they share content. A forum gateway to the list would permit folks to sign up for the forum and NOT get a ton of email. If the forum were publicly readable that would also provide a way to look through (if not search) the archives. I am not trying to make work for people, just suggesting another way to address the competing issues of SPAM reduction and ease of access. -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On 05/12/13 22:04, Rich Kulawiec wrote: 1. Restricting mailing lists to subscribers only has been a best practice since the last century. It's a very good anti-spam tactic. 2. However, doing so -- for a list run via Mailman, like this one -- does not pose a significant impediment for non-subscribers. By default, Mailman will hold traffic from non-subscribers for list-owner approval. Provided the list-owners check that queue periodically and have reasonable spam-spotting abilities, this works beautifully. 3. Note that Mailman, as part of that same mechanism, allows list-owners to add non-subscribers to a list of those permitted to send traffic to the list without approval. This feature is probably more often used to allow traffic from alternative addresses for subscribers, e.g., someone is subscribed as f...@example.com but sends occasionally from f...@example.net. But it can just as easily be used for non-subscribers if the list-owners so choose. 4. List-owners may also find it useful to keep track of which spammers repeatedly attempt to abuse the list and block them at the MTA -- which has the desirable side effect of blocking them from ALL lists. I do this on a user/host/domain/network basis, and it's proven itself to be worth the effort. So: setting the subscribers-only flag on Mailman has major advantages, at the cost of additional work on the part of list-owners -- which can be mitigated in part across all lists by making changes to the MTA. I'm a big fan of _not_ having to subscribe to a list to get a quick hand with a one off problem (obviously not this one!)- otherwise too many lists get subscribed to, oodles of messages come in which you can't do anything about and so forth (so its not simply just a matter of subscribe, unsubscribe as noted). Unfortunately, many see it as a spam filter and thereby abuse it. How often do you need help with an issue with libreoffice, mozilla whatever, or other application? And yet subscription is compulsory and a ton of messages (devs convs mostly) come flooding in within minutes. Aside from all that, the last suggestion (4) should be possible using some simple filtering without the need to change the subscription parameters. It could be possible to even do it automatically saving further work on a list-owner. I admit the spam is getting worse, but there are still many more users sending who would like try before they buy - or subscribe. FreeBSD is an OS, yes, but it does give users options and freedom; and although many are willing to give up their freedom because it is *appears* safer, they tend to have serious regrets in the light of day. Better to find a way to maintain the freedom (and minimise the overheads required for oversight) through other measures. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Excerpt from Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org: 3. Note that Mailman, as part of that same mechanism, allows list-owners to add non-subscribers to a list of those permitted to send traffic to the list without approval. This feature is probably more often used to allow traffic from alternative addresses for subscribers, e.g., someone is subscribed as f...@example.com but sends occasionally from f...@example.net. But it can just as easily be used for non-subscribers if the list-owners so choose. I sometimes send using a different SMTP server, which may happen since my @bellsouth.net addresses are from my former ISP, ATT/Yahoo!, but still good under Yahoo! So I might send either from the ATT/Yahoo! SMTP server or from insightbb.com server, and Insight Cable (insightbb.com) customers will be migrated in the next month to Time Warner Cable, and email addresses will be in twc.com domain. But I use the same From: address. I switched my email address on this list because Insight Cable, but I believe not Time Warner Cable, uses synacor.com for spam filtering, and messages are deleted when synacor.com's software flags it as spam, and there were false positives resulting in bounced messages. Insight Cable customers never see the spam-filtered-out messages, and have no way to mitigate those filters. On sending CC to other participants in a thread, sometimes that can be too many, and I might consider it redundant to send CC to a list regular. Once, because of sending CC to other thread participants, I was sending to six email addresses, and the message was held for moderator approval because of being sent to so many recipients: a frequent characteristic of spam. But my message was approved when the moderator saw it was legit, on topic. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Sat, 11 May 2013 19:44:46 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Hi, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). The downside is that it would require people to subscribe in order to ask a question, True. I suggest the up side outweighs the down side though. From the point of view of subscribers perhaps, however from the point of view of users who don't wish to subscribe in order to ask a single question it is the other way round. this is also the reason for the convention of using Reply to all in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention for a *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new in 1993. I'm not intending to question or suggest any change re CC behaviour. (Maybe you mis-read or mis-infered what I intended, Not at all, just pointing out that the two things have a common reason in the FreeBSD lists. Personally I doubt that either will change any time soon. or maybe I mis-wrote, or mis-implied, whatever, please forget that bit, though as background I'd observe: Questions@ didn't exist for quite a while after FreeBSD started, Hackers@ some others preceded it. A good many others indeed - but all the user lists have always had the same conventions. Various people prune CC when they get littered with too many CC. ) True enough - and occasionally this loses the unsubscribed OP. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins.|licences available see You lose and Bill collects. |http://www.sohara.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Sun, 12 May 2013 07:39:31 +0100 Steve O'Hara-Smith articulated: On Sat, 11 May 2013 19:44:46 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Hi, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). The downside is that it would require people to subscribe in order to ask a question, True. I suggest the up side outweighs the down side though. From the point of view of subscribers perhaps, however from the point of view of users who don't wish to subscribe in order to ask a single question it is the other way round. I am not really a big fan of paying for a hunting license since I only hunt once a year; however, they still make me do it. As a POC earlier this year, I subscribed to this list under a different name address, returned to my MUA and the responding message from this list was waiting. I replied to it and was there upon subscribed. Total time, less than 1-1/2 minutes. And that included me taking a sip of coffee. The time to remove myself from the list was similar. Hell, it takes me longer than that to gather all of the info I might need to either ask or respond to a question on this list. this is also the reason for the convention of using Reply to all in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention for a *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new in 1993. I'm not intending to question or suggest any change re CC behaviour. (Maybe you mis-read or mis-infered what I intended, Not at all, just pointing out that the two things have a common reason in the FreeBSD lists. Personally I doubt that either will change any time soon. or maybe I mis-wrote, or mis-implied, whatever, please forget that bit, though as background I'd observe: Questions@ didn't exist for quite a while after FreeBSD started, Hackers@ some others preceded it. A good many others indeed - but all the user lists have always had the same conventions. Various people prune CC when they get littered with too many CC. ) I never respond to CC'ers. If they cannot take the time to subscribe, I cannot afford the time to respond. True enough - and occasionally this loses the unsubscribed OP. Perhaps our list should include a disclaimer (I hate them) that states: WARNING: CC ARE YOUR OWN RISK Actually, I think this is kind of funn: From: Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org To: Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Technically, I am responding to a CC'er who happens to be the list operator/owner or whatever terminology turns you on. My sieve filters are designed to filter out an CC messages; however, they are also designed to accept any mail from FreeBSD*. Since I was not in the CC address (directly), I ended up getting a CC'd mesage. I really have to rework my filters. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
1. Restricting mailing lists to subscribers only has been a best practice since the last century. It's a very good anti-spam tactic. 2. However, doing so -- for a list run via Mailman, like this one -- does not pose a significant impediment for non-subscribers. By default, Mailman will hold traffic from non-subscribers for list-owner approval. Provided the list-owners check that queue periodically and have reasonable spam-spotting abilities, this works beautifully. 3. Note that Mailman, as part of that same mechanism, allows list-owners to add non-subscribers to a list of those permitted to send traffic to the list without approval. This feature is probably more often used to allow traffic from alternative addresses for subscribers, e.g., someone is subscribed as f...@example.com but sends occasionally from f...@example.net. But it can just as easily be used for non-subscribers if the list-owners so choose. 4. List-owners may also find it useful to keep track of which spammers repeatedly attempt to abuse the list and block them at the MTA -- which has the desirable side effect of blocking them from ALL lists. I do this on a user/host/domain/network basis, and it's proven itself to be worth the effort. So: setting the subscribers-only flag on Mailman has major advantages, at the cost of additional work on the part of list-owners -- which can be mitigated in part across all lists by making changes to the MTA. ---rsk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). The downside is that it would require people to subscribe in order to ask a question, this is also the reason for the convention of using Reply to all in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention for a *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new in 1993. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Hi, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). The downside is that it would require people to subscribe in order to ask a question, True. I suggest the up side outweighs the down side though. I've always felt when I as a newbie somewhere, wanted to post any other project's mail list to ask a question get free help, then I owed it to those there to subscribe if necessary. However, FreeBSD could always provide a web Captcha anti spam validater for those too lazy/ uncommited to subscribe questions@ ? this is also the reason for the convention of using Reply to all in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention for a *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new in 1993. I'm not intending to question or suggest any change re CC behaviour. (Maybe you mis-read or mis-infered what I intended, or maybe I mis-wrote, or mis-implied, whatever, please forget that bit, though as background I'd observe: Questions@ didn't exist for quite a while after FreeBSD started, Hackers@ some others preceded it. Various people prune CC when they get littered with too many CC. ) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Hi questions@ ( spammer not cc'd ) Reference: From: Aaron Seligman aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com Reply-to: aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 18:59:07 + (UTC) Subject:Re: Display Video Campaigns-Inventory Needed Message-id: 1368039547.0568389241738...@mf7.sendgrid.net Happy hump-day, We have an opportunity with an RTB partner to monetize INT Geo's; UK, CAN, AUS Video: (Pre-roll, mid-roll and post-roll) If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). Newbies would be told subscribe before posting in all of: /etc/motd http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions Automatic list bounce response. Only clueless, lazy, spammers might be lost. A net gain. Cheers, Julian I'm curious how much spam you get through this list. Just counted, and I have about 2 Spams per week for the last month, that's more than usual. Regards, Michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
I'm curious how much spam you get through this list. Just counted, and I have about 2 Spams per week for the last month, that's more than usual. Personaly I'm on ~ 47 freebsd lists or so my MH dirs + procmail filter boxes suggest, so when someone spams multiple lists with the same spam it irritates. I'm on various other lists too, (last I counted it was about 100 in all inc. freebsd) so grateful for each list that is subscribers only. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Hi, From: Erich Dollansky erichsfreebsdl...@alogt.com Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:33:47 +0700 Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: some lists are like this anyway. Why are not all like this? Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out. To allow a free-er environment for us than that might first give: Taking the syntax of majordomo as an example to illustrate an idea in (I know Freebsd.org moved on to Mailman, but I'm assuming/ hoping Mailman is at least equally as flexible as Majordomo; as I'm an administrator for Majordomo lists, have tried the idea below seen it work, I can quote syntax for it correctly) Given a list eg scsi@freebsd might exist that happended to go from open to restrict_post = scsi ie write only for subscribers, it could easily be made eg restrict_post = scsi questions hackers So others in eg questions who had occasional scsi specific questions could be referred to post there without person needing to subscribe to scsi@ as a regular ( agreed, just hope all respondents CC the OP, if OP is too lazy/ busy to subscribe eg scsi@). Most list config files could do that, so it would be equally possible for eg someone subscribed to hardware@ to answer a question posted to questions@, even if the answering hardware@ person was not personaly subscribed to reading every post to questions@. questions@ could have a questions.config with something like: restrict_post = questions hackers current ports scsi etc Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
List Spam Filtering
Hi questions@ ( spammer not cc'd ) Reference: From: Aaron Seligman aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com Reply-to: aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 18:59:07 + (UTC) Subject: Re: Display Video Campaigns-Inventory Needed Message-id: 1368039547.0568389241738...@mf7.sendgrid.net Happy hump-day, We have an opportunity with an RTB partner to monetize INT Geo's; UK, CAN, AUS Video: (Pre-roll, mid-roll and post-roll) If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). Newbies would be told subscribe before posting in all of: /etc/motd http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions Automatic list bounce response. Only clueless, lazy, spammers might be lost. A net gain. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Most of the spam I've seen get through is actually obvious from the subject line. I've seen more posts by people who weren't subscribed and asked to be cc'd than I've seen spam. Making the list subscribers only would only hinder the the lucky spammers, and stop more people genuinely asking for help. I have seen more spam in the past few weeks, but it's better than google. For some reason, even though I don't speak anything other than English, email with Asian characters is not spam. On 5/8/2013 7:26 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Hi questions@ ( spammer not cc'd ) Reference: From: Aaron Seligman aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com Reply-to: aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 18:59:07 + (UTC) Subject:Re: Display Video Campaigns-Inventory Needed Message-id: 1368039547.0568389241738...@mf7.sendgrid.net Happy hump-day, We have an opportunity with an RTB partner to monetize INT Geo's; UK, CAN, AUS Video: (Pre-roll, mid-roll and post-roll) If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). Newbies would be told subscribe before posting in all of: /etc/motd http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions Automatic list bounce response. Only clueless, lazy, spammers might be lost. A net gain. Cheers, Julian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Hi, On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: some lists are like this anyway. Why are not all like this? I notice that my postings get delayed and obviously check when I use by accident my real e-mail address. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
seeking mailing list manager(s)
(Yes - I know there's a list owner's address. I send mail there. Nothing happens. I am chosing to believe this is a technical problem, perhaps part of the same problem about which I wish to complain.) Hello: Would someone repsonsible for the mamagement of this mailing list please contact me privately? Respectfully, Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: seeking mailing list manager(s)
On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 07:53 -0400, Robert Huff wrote: (Yes - I know there's a list owner's address. I send mail there. Nothing happens. I am chosing to believe this is a technical problem, perhaps part of the same problem about which I wish to complain.) Hello: Would someone repsonsible for the mamagement of this mailing list please contact me privately? Respectfully, Robert Huff You mail was redirected to my junk folder and when I marked it as not being junk, it was sorted by the mails' date and I had to sort by the receive date, to see it within the new received mails. I'm not from mailing list management, so I can't help you, but perhaps your mails don't came through regarding to spam filters. Some ISPs from time to time are blackhole listed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Re: w and who don't list users in FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1
2013. március 19. 17:12 napon Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com írta: On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 16:59 +0100, Istvan Gabor wrote: I tried google search but w and who are not good search terms. Indeed, it for sure isn't easy, but did you try with quotes and other options? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=freebsd+%22who+command%22 I don't know if there is a solution, but you're at least not the first who experienced this issue. Thank you. I tried this type of search before my posting but the results I looked at were not relevant or did not give a solution. I did not know about let me google that for you, thanks for that. Istvan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: w and who don't list users in FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1
2013. március 19. 17:03 napon Ruben de Groot mai...@bzerk.org írta: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 04:59:56PM +0100, Istvan Gabor typed: Hello: I have both FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1 on two different computers. w and who commands do not list logged in users in any of them (either for root or a regular user). The output of w is: root@:/root # w 4:56PM up 10 mins, 0 users, load averages: 0.18, 0.26, 0.20 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT root@:/root # And the output of who: root@:/root # who root@:/root # Why is this and how can I fix it? This can happen if your kernel and world are out of sync. 1. How could I check this? 2. I found that users are reported if they are logged in on terminal session or through ssh. User who is logged in through KDM3 into KDE3 session is not shown. Does this change the above diagnosis? Can it be something else, maybe? Thanks, Istvan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: w and who don't list users in FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1
2013. március 19. 18:44 napon Nikos Vassiliadis nv...@gmx.com írta: On 19/3/2013 6:03 μμ, Ruben de Groot wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 04:59:56PM +0100, Istvan Gabor typed: Hello: I have both FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1 on two different computers. w and who commands do not list logged in users in any of them (either for root or a regular user). The output of w is: root@:/root # w 4:56PM up 10 mins, 0 users, load averages: 0.18, 0.26, 0.20 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT root@:/root # And the output of who: root@:/root # who root@:/root # Why is this and how can I fix it? This can happen if your kernel and world are out of sync. It can also happen if /var/run/utx.active is corrupt. Could you try deleting it? It will be re-created after a successful login. I tried this but did not make any change. Maybe the problem is related to the session type, KDE3. See my answer to Ruben. Thanks, Istvan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: w and who don't list users in FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1
Istvan Gabor suseuse...@lajt.hu writes: 2. I found that users are reported if they are logged in on terminal session or through ssh. User who is logged in through KDM3 into KDE3 session is not shown. Does this change the above diagnosis? Can it be something else, maybe? Well, if they don't start a login shell, they're not going to show up as logged in. Most terminal programs have an option to start them as login shells, but I don't know KDE well enough to know what the normal practice there would be. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
w and who don't list users in FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1
Hello: I have both FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1 on two different computers. w and who commands do not list logged in users in any of them (either for root or a regular user). The output of w is: root@:/root # w 4:56PM up 10 mins, 0 users, load averages: 0.18, 0.26, 0.20 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT root@:/root # And the output of who: root@:/root # who root@:/root # Why is this and how can I fix it? Thanks, Istvan ps: I tried google search but w and who are not good search terms. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: w and who don't list users in FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 04:59:56PM +0100, Istvan Gabor typed: Hello: I have both FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1 on two different computers. w and who commands do not list logged in users in any of them (either for root or a regular user). The output of w is: root@:/root # w 4:56PM up 10 mins, 0 users, load averages: 0.18, 0.26, 0.20 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT root@:/root # And the output of who: root@:/root # who root@:/root # Why is this and how can I fix it? This can happen if your kernel and world are out of sync. Ruben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: w and who don't list users in FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1
On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 16:59 +0100, Istvan Gabor wrote: I tried google search but w and who are not good search terms. Indeed, it for sure isn't easy, but did you try with quotes and other options? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=freebsd+%22who+command%22 I don't know if there is a solution, but you're at least not the first who experienced this issue. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: w and who don't list users in FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1
On 19/3/2013 6:03 μμ, Ruben de Groot wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 04:59:56PM +0100, Istvan Gabor typed: Hello: I have both FreeBSD 9.0 and 9.1 on two different computers. w and who commands do not list logged in users in any of them (either for root or a regular user). The output of w is: root@:/root # w 4:56PM up 10 mins, 0 users, load averages: 0.18, 0.26, 0.20 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT root@:/root # And the output of who: root@:/root # who root@:/root # Why is this and how can I fix it? This can happen if your kernel and world are out of sync. It can also happen if /var/run/utx.active is corrupt. Could you try deleting it? It will be re-created after a successful login. Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: an upto date list of new ports
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Aryeh Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: is there a site or other location that lists *NEW* (not updated) ports since a given date? http://www.freshports.org/ has some limited options (24hrs, 48hrs, 7days, one month)... but since the ports tree is now under SVN, it's probably easier to use SVN directly to find out. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
an upto date list of new ports
is there a site or other location that lists *NEW* (not updated) ports since a given date? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Supported Hardware list update request.
Hello, I would like to know the process to have a new version of hardware product listed in this page: http://bsssd.sourceforge.net/hardware.html#hardware Our TPM is fully compliant with the current driver provided as a module with latest FreeBSD 9.1. Best Regards, Jean-Luc BLANC TPM Application engineer Applications team Secure Microcontrollers Division (SMD) Microcontrollers, Memories Secure microcontrollers (MMS) Group [cid:image001.jpg@01CDFF18.B99414C0]http://www.st.com/internet/com/common/flv.jsp?url=https://s3.amazonaws.com/st-videos/newbrand_film_st_HD.flvwidth=800height=450title=TITLE STMicroelectronics 190 Av Celestin Coq - ZI 13106 ROUSSET cedex FRANCE * +33 4 42 68 84 72 6 +33 4 42 68 87 29 * jean-luc.bl...@st.commailto:jean-luc.bl...@st.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SPAM-flag on FBSD list
FreeBSD emailing lists are not spammers, though they let some spams through that their filters miss. Insight Cable uses synacor.com spam-filtering (dis)service that the Insight Cable user can't turn off. This remedy is worse than the disease in my case because it causes bounces, and then my list membership is disabled. Just a few days ago, I switched my FreeBSD lists email address back to the old-but-still-working ATT-Yahoo bellsouth.net email. But synacor.com only filtered out a small percentage of FreeBSD list messages, some but not all of which were spams. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
SPAM-flag on FBSD list
Hello, while testing a new mail configuration on freebsd-test@, I noticed a very interesting part in the header, which I just paste Old-X-HE-Spam-Score: -2.3 Old-X-HE-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-2.3 points) pts rule name description -- -- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [8.8.178.116 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 TVD_SPACE_RATIOTVD_SPACE_RATIO X-HE-SPF: PASSED Curious about who is the culprit in the chain, I did [cjr@dijkstra:~]$ dig -x 8.8.178.116 (01-13 16:42) ; DiG 9.8.3-P4 -x 8.8.178.116 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 33133 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;116.178.8.8.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 116.178.8.8.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN PTR mx2.FreeBSD.org. ;; Query time: 96 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.178.1#53(192.168.178.1) ;; WHEN: Sun Jan 13 16:42:11 2013 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 71 Are the FreeBSD-mail servers spammers? Anyhow, have a nice week, cheers, -- Christopher TZ: GMT + 2h GnuPG/GPG: 0xE8DE2C14 FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE #4 r245101: Sun Jan 6 21:13:49 CET 2013 c...@dijkstra.cruwe.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DIJKSTRA Punctuation matters: Lets eat Grandma or Lets eat, Grandma - Punctuation saves lives. A panda eats shoots and leaves or A panda eats, shoots, and leaves - Punctuation teaches proper biology. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SPAM-flag on FBSD list
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:06:50 -0500
Joe Altman free...@chthonixia.net wrote:
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 04:48:06PM +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote:
Hello,
while testing a new mail configuration on freebsd-test@, I noticed a
very interesting part in the header, which I just paste
Old-X-HE-Spam-Score: -2.3
Old-X-HE-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-2.3 points)
pts rule name description
--
-- -2.3
RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/,
medium trust [8.8.178.116 listed in list.dnswl.org]
From the org's web page:
dnswl.org: DNS Whitelist - Protect against false positives
What is dnswl.org?
Dnswl.org is the leading whitelist provider for email filtering. It
has over 80'000 users and contains more than 150'000 entries of good
mailservers.
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Thanks for the explanation, the wl part of the domain and the negative
number escaped me completly.
Sorry for the noise, cheers,
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A panda eats shoots and leaves or A panda eats, shoots, and leaves -
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how to delete link in port packing list
In a port I am working on I have a link for home - /user/home In the ports pkg-plist I can delete every thing but that darn link. Is there some statement along the line of %%EXAMPLESDIR%%default/home/lab1/.profile that will delete the @home link? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to delete link in port packing list
Fbsd8 wrote: In a port I am working on I have a link for home - /user/home In the ports pkg-plist I can delete every thing but that darn link. Is there some statement along the line of %%EXAMPLESDIR%%default/home/lab1/.profile that will delete the @home link? sorry for the noise, figured it out. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
List all hard drives on system (with capacities)... How?
I'd like to write a small program or shell script that simply lists all of the physical hard drives attached to the local system, along with their product identifiers and their respective capacities. The following simple script works well for both PATA/SATA and USB hard drives, but it does not list drive capacities: #!/bin/sh atacontrol list | grep ': ad[0-9]' | sed 's/^.*: //' camcontrol devlist | grep '(da[0-9]' | sed -E 's/^(.*) \((da[0-9]+).*$/\2 \1/' How can I modify the script above in order to get it to print out the respective drive capacities? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List all hard drives on system (with capacities)... How?
On 12/06/2012 05:30 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: I'd like to write a small program or shell script that simply lists all of the physical hard drives attached to the local system, along with their product identifiers and their respective capacities. The following simple script works well for both PATA/SATA and USB hard drives, but it does not list drive capacities: #!/bin/sh atacontrol list | grep ': ad[0-9]' | sed 's/^.*: //' camcontrol devlist | grep '(da[0-9]' | sed -E 's/^(.*) \((da[0-9]+).*$/\2 \1/' How can I modify the script above in order to get it to print out the respective drive capacities? Look into fdisk -s -- Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List all hard drives on system (with capacities)... How?
In message 50c12b6c.5020...@tundraware.com, Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com wrote: On 12/06/2012 05:30 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: I'd like to write a small program or shell script that simply lists all of the physical hard drives attached to the local system, along with their product identifiers and their respective capacities. The following simple script works well for both PATA/SATA and USB hard drive s, but it does not list drive capacities: #!/bin/sh atacontrol list | grep ': ad[0-9]' | sed 's/^.*: //' camcontrol devlist | grep '(da[0-9]' | sed -E 's/^(.*) \((da[0-9]+).*$/\2 \1 /' How can I modify the script above in order to get it to print out the respective drive capacities? Look into fdisk -s Thank you Tim. Silly me! Before I even got your reply, I had already doen a bit more research and I had found what I think may perhaps be an even better answer. I never knew about this utility program called diskinfo, but I just now found it, and it seems to do the trick. There appears to be a small problem with using fdisk -s... It looks like it hiccups when and if the drive in question has not actually been partitioned yet: # fdisk -s /dev/ad6 fdisk: invalid fdisk partition table found (The diskinfo utility apparently does not suffer from this problem.) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List all hard drives on system (with capacities)... How?
On 12/7/2012 1:34 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 12/06/2012 05:30 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: I'd like to write a small program or shell script that simply lists all of the physical hard drives attached to the local system, along with their product identifiers and their respective capacities. The following simple script works well for both PATA/SATA and USB hard drives, but it does not list drive capacities: #!/bin/sh atacontrol list | grep ': ad[0-9]' | sed 's/^.*: //' camcontrol devlist | grep '(da[0-9]' | sed -E 's/^(.*) \((da[0-9]+).*$/\2 \1/' How can I modify the script above in order to get it to print out the respective drive capacities? Look into fdisk -s I think fdisk should need a valid partition table, or not? diskinfo works nice with all disk-like devices be it a physical disk, a slice, a partition, a swap-backed device etc. Its output is easily parsable using a single line per device and if you use -v you will get the same info in human-readable form. HTH, Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List all hard drives on system (with capacities)... How?
On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 04:23:54PM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
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You know about the exponentiation operator in Perl -- right?
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I don't think typing 1024 four times with * between each pair is really a
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guys, it helps to have g_get_home_dir() rather than g_get_homedir(); I *finally* triple-checked. yep, that was why my voice-by- computer GUI program wouldn't compile. ...Anyhow, I hope there are some listmembers on -questions who can help me with a final un-implemented feature. my program will help people with a small laptop or tablet that runs Unix who CAN type but whose speech is impaired. or perhaps they cannot talk at all. one of my last features is a window that will display something the speech-impaired may have typed several minutes before. by hitting the display prev button, a window opens with the title, say talk.17.text that was the 17th entry typed and spoken by the computer. it may be several paragraphs. I already have (at the button of this window), the buttons [Play], [Last window], [Next window], [Close window]. I am not skilled enough yet to know how to reach the Last or Next --if these exist. wondering if any FBSD folk can help me with this. if so, let's take it offline to avoid anybody who may not think that -questions is the right mailinglist. ithink I have exhausted all good-will among the gtk* lists and forums. right now I'm working on the built-in documentation. --this Will include a brief tutorial on vim/gvim. TIA, people... . -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
ugh. dump / restore problem(s) Cannot find file dump list
I needed to expand a /var partition, which required saving and restoring /var and /usr did the following: booted to backup disk dump -0aR -h 0 -f /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 /dev/ada0p4 (repeat for /tmp, /usr, / partitions to be safe) repartitioned the main disk using gpart newfs the modified partitions (var, tmp, usr) rewrote the boot block and boot partition (#1) mount /dev/ada0p4 /mnt/ssd/var cd /mnt/ssd/var restore -r /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 Cannot find file dump list Any ideas why I get the Cannot find file dump list? What / where is it supposed to be? I was able to get some stuff back from one of the files, but only by doing: #restore -if /usr/backup/dump_usr_0_201121113_1920 restore verbose restore add libdata restore extract Extract requested files You have not read any tapes yet If you are extracting just a few files, start with the last volume and work towards the first; restore can quickly skip tapes that have no further files to extract. Otherwise, begin with volume 1. Specify next volume #: 1 Mount tape volume 1 Enter none if there are no more tapes otherwise enter tape name (default: /usr/backup/dump_usr_0_20121113_1920) unknown tape header type -2 abort [yn] n resync restore, skipped 786 blocks extract file ... ... Add links Set directory mode, owner, and times. Set owner / mode for '.' [yn] y restore If I did not enter Enter after the otherwise enter tape name, but rather entered none I did not get all of the desired contents. Can anyone shed light on this problem? I have been able to restore most everything from a cp I had done at the same time, but I'm not very confident in the results. Fortunately, user data was on a different disk. Obviously, should have done a restore -rN ... before repartitioning. Ugh. Related question: I now realize I should not have answered y to the set owner / mode question, as it changed the mode to the default for root instead of doing what I thought which was restoring the owner / mode to what was saved in the dump. Will restore -x /usr/backup/dump... correct the owner and mode? (and group and flags?) Thanks, Gary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) Cannot find file dump list
El día Wednesday, November 14, 2012 a las 01:20:14AM -0700, Gary Aitken escribió: I needed to expand a /var partition, which required saving and restoring /var and /usr did the following: booted to backup disk dump -0aR -h 0 -f /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 /dev/ada0p4 (repeat for /tmp, /usr, / partitions to be safe) repartitioned the main disk using gpart newfs the modified partitions (var, tmp, usr) rewrote the boot block and boot partition (#1) mount /dev/ada0p4 /mnt/ssd/var cd /mnt/ssd/var restore -r /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 Cannot find file dump list Any ideas why I get the Cannot find file dump list? What / where is it supposed to be? You need to specify the file containing the DUMP with -f flag; and use the flag -r only to restore to the original location, or -x to restore into the current dir; check the man page for details; matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) Cannot find file dump list
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:20:14 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: mount /dev/ada0p4 /mnt/ssd/var cd /mnt/ssd/var restore -r /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 Cannot find file dump list The last command looks wrong. The restore program requires the dump file to be provided via -f, so # restore -rf /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 should work. You can find an example in man restore. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) Cannot find file dump list
From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de To: free...@dreamchaser.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) Cannot find file dump list On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:20:14 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: mount /dev/ada0p4 /mnt/ssd/var cd /mnt/ssd/var restore -r /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 Cannot find file dump list The last command looks wrong. The restore program requires the dump file to be provided via -f, so # restore -rf /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 should work. You can find an example in man restore. Hi There is no - . This is the correct format : restore rf /path/to/dump/files good luck :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) Cannot find file dump list
El día Wednesday, November 14, 2012 a las 01:01:08AM -0800, Jack Mc Lauren escribió: Hi There is no - . This is the correct format : restore rf /path/to/dump/files from man restore(8): RESTORE(8) FreeBSD System Manager's Manual RESTORE(8) NAME restore, rrestore — restore files or file systems from backups made with dump SYNOPSIS restore -i [-dDhmNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] restore -R [-dDNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] restore -r [-dDNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] restore -t [-dDhNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] [file ...] restore -x [-dDhmNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] [file ...] ... matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) Cannot find file dump list
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:01:08 -0800 (PST), Jack Mc Lauren wrote: There is no - . This is the correct format : restore rf /path/to/dump/files Really? The manual at man restore mentions: restore -r [-dDNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] And in the -r section: newfs /dev/da0s1a mount /dev/da0s1a /mnt cd /mnt restore rf /dev/sa0 So it seems that _both_ formats are supported (comparable to tar). One of the (in my opinion) most interesting reference sources for dump/restore also mentions this format: # mount /dev/da0s1 /mnt # mkdir /tmp/oldvar # cd /tmp/oldvar # restore -ruf /mnt/var.dump # umount /mnt Source: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_em_dump_8_em_em_restore_8_em -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) Cannot find file dump list
On 11/14/12 01:30, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Wednesday, November 14, 2012 a las 01:20:14AM -0700, Gary Aitken escribió: I needed to expand a /var partition, which required saving and restoring /var and /usr did the following: booted to backup disk dump -0aR -h 0 -f /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 /dev/ada0p4 (repeat for /tmp, /usr, / partitions to be safe) repartitioned the main disk using gpart newfs the modified partitions (var, tmp, usr) rewrote the boot block and boot partition (#1) mount /dev/ada0p4 /mnt/ssd/var cd /mnt/ssd/var restore -r /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 Cannot find file dump list Any ideas why I get the Cannot find file dump list? What / where is it supposed to be? You need to specify the file containing the DUMP with -f flag; and use the flag -r only to restore to the original location, or -x to restore into the current dir; check the man page for details; Sorry all, a typing issue on my part when composing the email; problem remains: # restore -iN -f /mnt/hd_ssd_backup/usr/backup/dump_tmp_0_20121113_1920 Cannot find file dump list ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) Cannot find file dump list
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:01:08 -0800 (PST), Jack Mc Lauren wrote: There is no - . This is the correct format : restore rf /path/to/dump/files Really? The manual at man restore mentions: restore -r [-dDNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] And in the -r section: newfs /dev/da0s1a mount /dev/da0s1a /mnt cd /mnt restore rf /dev/sa0 So it seems that _both_ formats are supported (comparable to tar). One of the (in my opinion) most interesting reference sources for dump/restore also mentions this format: # mount /dev/da0s1 /mnt # mkdir /tmp/oldvar # cd /tmp/oldvar # restore -ruf /mnt/var.dump Yes, -u unlinks an existing file before restoring that file, useful for restoring dumps over an existing filesystem. Leave out the -u when restoring to a new filesystem and the restore will go faster. # umount /mnt And that points out a mistake: /mnt can't be unmounted while it is the PWD. Fixed. Source: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_em_dump_8_em_em_restore_8_em Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) Cannot find file dump list
El día Wednesday, November 14, 2012 a las 09:45:22AM -0700, Warren Block escribió: One of the (in my opinion) most interesting reference sources for dump/restore also mentions this format: # mount /dev/da0s1 /mnt # mkdir /tmp/oldvar # cd /tmp/oldvar # restore -ruf /mnt/var.dump Yes, -u unlinks an existing file before restoring that file, useful for restoring dumps over an existing filesystem. Leave out the -u when restoring to a new filesystem and the restore will go faster. # umount /mnt And that points out a mistake: /mnt can't be unmounted while it is the PWD. Fixed. I think PWD is /tmp/oldvar and not /mnt; matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Re: How to list /etc/fstab in new BFSD label?
On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 17:00:13 -1000, Al Plant wrote: Aloha, I cant find any How TO on writing the hardware devices into /etc/fstab to mount and find how the DVD and CD players get connected. Open the file in your favourite editor and add the lines according to your needs, if this was the question. :-) (This happens to be with a test box FreeBSD 10.* which has worked fine other than that.) The BSD install I understand is also for FreeBSD 9.* as well. fd0, /floppy, acd0 /cdrom, acd1 DVD, do not come up although they are in /dmesg list. I thought FreeBSD would have removed the acd devices in favour of the SCSI-backed cd device drivers? If dmesg lists the devices as recognized, the required device files should be present in /dev. Ye olde sysinstall did add them to your first /etc/fstab, but you are free to add whatever you like manually. For the purpose of installation, they shouldn't be needed. And I have to admit that I've never actually seen them in one of the dialogs in the installer - only the hard disk related things are in there. The automatically generated /etc/fstab at least had them listed (for sysinstall, not tested for bsdinstall). However, modern HAL + DBUS combinations prefer not to have any media devices listed in /etc/fstab, because they're doing the stuff required on their own. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
How to list /etc/fstab in new BFSD label?
Aloha, I cant find any How TO on writing the hardware devices into /etc/fstab to mount and find how the DVD and CD players get connected. (This happens to be with a test box FreeBSD 10.* which has worked fine other than that.) The BSD install I understand is also for FreeBSD 9.* as well. fd0, /floppy, acd0 /cdrom, acd1 DVD, do not come up although they are in /dmesg list. Any help would be appreciated. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List flames (was Re: Why Clang)
from Stephen Cook scli...@gmail.com: No, this is unusual. But also remember that most of these lists are not just unmoderated but open to posting without subscription. Then it becomes kind of amazing at how little flaming and trolling there is. That's not an accident, the admins work hard to limit abuse. As an alternate, consider the forums (http://forums.freebsd.org/), which are moderated. Because of FreeBSD lists being mainly unmoderated and open to posting without subscription, I notice some outright spams that slip through the list filters. I believe (could possibly be wrong) that the lists have spam filters in place. If a message has properties of spam, it will be held for a human moderator to see if it is spam (dump it) or not spam (let it through). Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List flames (was Re: Why Clang)
Because of FreeBSD lists being mainly unmoderated and open to posting without subscription, I notice some outright spams that slip through the list filters. I believe (could possibly be wrong) that the lists have spam filters in place. it must have and well done. FreeBSD list is for sure more known to spammer than me, while i would get ca 2000 spams per day after turning off my antispam system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
List total traffic amount across external nic
Running ipfilter and trying to list the total amount of the traffic passing through the external NIC. Maybe there is some other command to show this info. Any help is appreciated. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List total traffic amount across external nic
El día Thursday, June 07, 2012 a las 12:14:56PM -0400, Fbsd8 escribió: Running ipfilter and trying to list the total amount of the traffic passing through the external NIC. Maybe there is some other command to show this info. Any help is appreciated. In the past I used for this: $ cd /usr/ports/net/trafshow $ cat pkg-descr TrafShow continuously displays the information regarding packet traffic on the configured network interface that matches the boolean expression. It periodically sorts and updates this information. It may be useful for locating suspicious network traffic on the net. WWW: http://soft.risp.ru/trafshow/index_en.shtml HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List total traffic amount across external nic
On 06/07/2012 11:14, Fbsd8 wrote: Running ipfilter and trying to list the total amount of the traffic passing through the external NIC. Maybe there is some other command to show this info. Any help is appreciated. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org try: systat -ifstat -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?
On 06/02/2012 06:59 PM, Jason Hellenthal wrote: Because... at some point it may return to normal without all the bikeshedding and, I run because, I don't run because. The previous threads before this message should have been on a web form or questions@ as they are completely out of control. why not to use FreeBSD should go on questions Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?
Jason Hellenthal wrote: Because... at some point it may return to normal without all the bikeshedding and, I run because, I don't run because. Agreed ! Many replies were sent to Wrong lists. Original poster respondents abused stable@ questions@ Cross posting 2 lists un-necessarily, despite: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL C.1.3 List Charters Rules of the road: No posting should be made to more than 2 mailing lists, and only to 2 when a clear and obvious need ... There was a desire, as always, but no need. (so I removed cc: stable@ on this post, to avoid this post also breaking that rule, (on the basis that stable@ readership are more likely to already know about Not cross posting, using the Right list, as questions@ started as a target list to point clueless new users to, from /etc/motd. (It was expected as users grew experienced, they'd subscribe other lists themed to their interests.))) Noise was emitted to lists with wrong remits. advoc...@freebsd.org exists for promo. talk inc. re. wiki. Please read list remits, conform to them, subscribe appropriate lists. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy Furthering the Use of FreeBSD Share ideas and plan to increase the number of companies and individuals using FreeBSD http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-stable. the stable cvsup target is built from the latest official RELEASE with the addition of critical bug fixes. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send how to questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Jason Hellenthal wrote: Because... at some point it may return to normal without all the bikeshedding and, I run because, I don't run because. Agreed ! Many replies were sent to Wrong lists. Original poster respondents abused stable@ questions@ Cross posting 2 lists un-necessarily, despite: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL C.1.3 List Charters Rules of the road: No posting should be made to more than 2 mailing lists, and only to 2 when a clear and obvious need ... There was a desire, as always, but no need. (so I removed cc: stable@ on this post, to avoid this post also breaking that rule, (on the basis that stable@ readership are more likely to already know about Not cross posting, using the Right list, as questions@ started as a target list to point clueless new users to, from /etc/motd. (It was expected as users grew experienced, they'd subscribe other lists themed to their interests.))) Noise was emitted to lists with wrong remits. advoc...@freebsd.org exists for promo. talk inc. re. wiki. Please read list remits, conform to them, subscribe appropriate lists. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy Furthering the Use of FreeBSD Share ideas and plan to increase the number of companies and individuals using FreeBSD http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-stable. the stable cvsup target is built from the latest official RELEASE with the addition of critical bug fixes. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send how to questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ The question Why are you using FreeBSD ? was a very good one , but , in my opinion , other side Why are you not using FreeBSD? would be appropriate , because in engineering , everything for any subject is - Advantages - Disadvantages When Disadvantages is NOT evaluated sufficiently well , the results mostly will be unpredictable . Instead of corrupting the original thread , I wanted to help to cover the other side in parallel to the original question . If you think , my response is unconscious , here is the my subscription list to FreeBSD mailing lists : freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org freebsd-annou...@freebsd.org freebsd-chrom...@freebsd.org freebsd-a...@freebsd.org freebsd-clus...@freebsd.org freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org freebsd-datab...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd-emulat...@freebsd.org freebsd-gn...@freebsd.org freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org freebsd-hardw...@freebsd.org freebsd-multime...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd-performa...@freebsd.org freebsd-po...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-sm...@freebsd.org freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org freebsd-standa...@freebsd.org freebsd-thre...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd...@freebsd.org freebsd...@freebsd.org freebsd-apa...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd-driv...@freebsd.org freebsd-virtualizat...@freebsd.org freebsd-sysinst...@freebsd.org freebsd-toolch...@freebsd.org freebsd-off...@freebsd.org freebsd-desk...@freebsd.org Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Jason Hellenthal wrote: Because... at some point it may return to normal without all the bikeshedding and, I run because, I don't run because. Agreed ! Many replies were sent to Wrong lists. Original poster respondents abused stable@ questions@ Cross posting 2 lists un-necessarily, despite: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL C.1.3 List Charters Rules of the road: No posting should be made to more than 2 mailing lists, and only to 2 when a clear and obvious need ... There was a desire, as always, but no need. (so I removed cc: stable@ on this post, to avoid this post also breaking that rule, (on the basis that stable@ readership are more likely to already know about Not cross posting, using the Right list, as questions@ started as a target list to point clueless new users to, from /etc/motd. (It was expected as users grew experienced, they'd subscribe other lists themed to their interests.))) Noise was emitted to lists with wrong remits. advoc...@freebsd.org exists for promo. talk inc. re. wiki. Please read list remits, conform to them, subscribe appropriate lists. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy Furthering the Use of FreeBSD Share ideas and plan to increase the number of companies and individuals using FreeBSD http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-stable. the stable cvsup target is built from the latest official RELEASE with the addition of critical bug fixes. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send how to questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ The question Why are you using FreeBSD ? was a very good one , but , in my opinion , other side Why are you not using FreeBSD? would be appropriate , because in engineering , everything for any subject is I don't think these kinds of _very_ general questions are really helpful and there are a lot of them. I guess, because there are no sales representatives giving people advice about FreeBSD, people feel more confident when they get some advice from a mailing list about what sought of hardware people have used to successfully do some task or other. Especially, when this involves buying something expensive. But in general, why are you using/ not using operating system 'x' is not a good question because there are so many variables and you can't compare the results in any really conclusive way. The best thing is to just try it, and anyway, *with FreeBSD the software itself will not cost you any money*. Maybe you will be surprised, maybe you won't be. I mean there is no single specific task that general purpose OSs like FreeBSD are designed for. - Advantages - Disadvantages When Disadvantages is NOT evaluated sufficiently well , the results mostly will be unpredictable . I think, it's fair to say that the results will be somewhat unpredictable, maybe in a positive way, maybe not. Instead of corrupting the original thread , I wanted to help to cover the other side in parallel to the original question . If you think , my response is unconscious , here is the my subscription list to FreeBSD mailing lists : freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org freebsd-annou...@freebsd.org freebsd-chrom...@freebsd.org freebsd-a...@freebsd.org freebsd-clus...@freebsd.org freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org freebsd-datab...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd-emulat...@freebsd.org freebsd-gn...@freebsd.org freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org freebsd-hardw...@freebsd.org freebsd-multime...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd-performa...@freebsd.org freebsd-po...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-sm...@freebsd.org freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org freebsd-standa...@freebsd.org freebsd-thre...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd
Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?
Hi, On 02 June 2012 AM 11:25:52 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Thank you very much . this is the same what I new comer from Windows will say after getting responses like this. He will then take out his Windows installation medium and feel happy with Windows. Every neighbour will be willing to help without a discussion about how this should be done. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
