Optimus VGA support in new release 9.1
hi, I really want to migrate to FreeBSD for daily usages, Bu my main issue is my vga card on my notebook, this is optimus. any body knows is it supported in this new release? -- King Regards, Ashkan R ashkan...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Optimus VGA support in new release 9.1
On 31/12/2012 10:15, Ashkan Rahmani wrote: I really want to migrate to FreeBSD for daily usages, Bu my main issue is my vga card on my notebook, this is optimus. any body knows is it supported in this new release? That's an nVidia card. The FreeBSD version is pretty much irrelevant here. What you need to ask is my nVidia card supported by the x11/nvidia-driver port, or failing that the built-in Xorg nv driver? If you want 3-D acceleration and all that stuff, then you'll need the x11/nvidia-driver. Check the supported products tab on this page: http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd-x86-310.19-driver.html If your video card isn't there, or you can't recognise it from the part number, then I'm afraid you're out of luck[*]. Your best resource there is to ask on one of the nVidia forums. Cheers, Matthew [*] There are other drivers available for various legacy cards: finding information about these is left as an exercise for the student. -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Optimus VGA support in new release 9.1
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012, Ashkan Rahmani wrote: hi, I really want to migrate to FreeBSD for daily usages, Bu my main issue is my vga card on my notebook, this is optimus. any body knows is it supported in this new release? If the BIOS allows turning off the NVidia graphics, FreeBSD 9.1 has a KMS driver that will support the Intel graphics. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Optimus VGA support in new release 9.1
If the BIOS allows turning off the NVidia graphics, FreeBSD 9.1 has a KMS driver that will support the Intel graphics. You don't even need bios to support turning off the nvidia card.. im using a Asus N53SV-XR1 it has a nvidia optimus GT540M.. KMS works for the intel video card. so long as you dont use packages... you have to compile xorg with a few settings in your /etc/make.conf as well as use the xorg intel driver, the vesa driver doesn't work and will hard lock your system. these settings go in /etc/make.conf WITH_NEW_XORG=YES WITH_KMS=YES here is my xorg.conf cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf Section ServerLayout Identifier Not X.org Configured Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceSynaptics_Touchpad AlwaysCore EndSection Section Files ModulePath /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/webfonts/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/bitstream-vera/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Droid/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Liberation/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/terminus-font/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/LinLibertineG/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/anonymous-pro/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/GentiumBasic/ EndSection Section Module Load dri Load freetype Load extmod Load glx Load type1 Load synaptics EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Synaptics_Touchpad Driver Synaptics Option UseShm true Option SHMConfig on Option Protocol psm Option Device /dev/psm0 Option SendCoreEvents true Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7 Option FingerLow 26 Option FingerHigh 51 Option FingerPress 254 Option HorizEdgeScroll 1 Option MinSpeed 0.10 Option MaxSpeed 0.20 Option RTCornerButton 2 Option RBCornerButton 3 Option TapButton2 2 Option TapButton3 3 EndSection Section Device Identifier Card0 Driver intel VendorName Intel Corporation BoardName Intel nVidia Thingy BusID PCI:0:2:0 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 SubSection Display Modes 1366x768 Virtual 1366 768 EndSubSection EndSection Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: upgrade from OLD - NEW release
On 5/23/06, Albert Shih [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 22/05/2006 à 19:27:47+0200, Dominique Goncalves a écrit Hi, On 5/22/06, Albert Shih [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all From many time I make the upgrade my FreeBSD by using : make -DNO_PROFILE buildowlrd make buildkernel make installkernel reboot/single make -DNO_PROFILE installworld mergemaster reboot Well everything work fine..but I always have some old file in /lib and /usr/lib Can I destroy him without problem ? There are news targets that can help you since FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE: check-old, delete-old and delete-old-libs [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src]$ make check-old Checking for old files Checking for old libraries Checking for old directories To remove old files and directories run 'make delete-old'. To remove old libraries run 'make delete-old-libs'. HTH Of course that help. Lots of thanks. and on old release (because I've lots of 5.x -- 6.x but I've also lots of 4.x -- 5.x) are the some things like that ? AFAIK, unfortunately only since 6.1-RELEASE according to http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/ObsoleteFiles.inc?f=uonly_with_tag=RELENG_6_1logsort=date Thanks again. Regards. -- Albert SHIH Universite de Paris 7 (Denis DIDEROT) U.F.R. de Mathematiques. 7 ième étage, plateau D, bureau 10 Heure local/Local time: Tue May 23 01:16:33 CEST 2006 Regards. -- There's this old saying: Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
upgrade from OLD - NEW release
Hi all From many time I make the upgrade my FreeBSD by using : make -DNO_PROFILE buildowlrd make buildkernel make installkernel reboot/single make -DNO_PROFILE installworld mergemaster reboot Well everything work fine..but I always have some old file in /lib and /usr/lib Can I destroy him without problem ? Lots of thanks. Regards. -- Albert SHIH Universite de Paris 7 (Denis DIDEROT) U.F.R. de Mathematiques. 7 ième étage, plateau D, bureau 10 Heure local/Local time: Mon May 22 16:24:56 CEST 2006 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade from OLD - NEW release
Hi, On 5/22/06, Albert Shih [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all From many time I make the upgrade my FreeBSD by using : make -DNO_PROFILE buildowlrd make buildkernel make installkernel reboot/single make -DNO_PROFILE installworld mergemaster reboot Well everything work fine..but I always have some old file in /lib and /usr/lib Can I destroy him without problem ? There are news targets that can help you since FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE: check-old, delete-old and delete-old-libs [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src]$ make check-old Checking for old files Checking for old libraries Checking for old directories To remove old files and directories run 'make delete-old'. To remove old libraries run 'make delete-old-libs'. HTH Lots of thanks. Regards. -- Albert SHIH Universite de Paris 7 (Denis DIDEROT) U.F.R. de Mathematiques. 7 ième étage, plateau D, bureau 10 Heure local/Local time: Mon May 22 16:24:56 CEST 2006 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards. -- There's this old saying: Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade from OLD - NEW release
Le 22/05/2006 à 19:27:47+0200, Dominique Goncalves a écrit Hi, On 5/22/06, Albert Shih [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all From many time I make the upgrade my FreeBSD by using : make -DNO_PROFILE buildowlrd make buildkernel make installkernel reboot/single make -DNO_PROFILE installworld mergemaster reboot Well everything work fine..but I always have some old file in /lib and /usr/lib Can I destroy him without problem ? There are news targets that can help you since FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE: check-old, delete-old and delete-old-libs [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src]$ make check-old Checking for old files Checking for old libraries Checking for old directories To remove old files and directories run 'make delete-old'. To remove old libraries run 'make delete-old-libs'. HTH Of course that help. Lots of thanks. and on old release (because I've lots of 5.x -- 6.x but I've also lots of 4.x -- 5.x) are the some things like that ? Thanks again. Regards. -- Albert SHIH Universite de Paris 7 (Denis DIDEROT) U.F.R. de Mathematiques. 7 ième étage, plateau D, bureau 10 Heure local/Local time: Tue May 23 01:16:33 CEST 2006 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Release on Cooking Basics from Maran Illustrated!
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Could Free-BSD includes RPM Linux emulator in new release?
Dear Sir Could Free-BSD includes RPM Linux emulator in new release? Or provides instructions to install RPM Linux emulator in your website... Thank you very much! thomas wong __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Could Free-BSD includes RPM Linux emulator in new release?
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 08:28:13PM -0700, thomas wrote: Dear Sir Could Free-BSD includes RPM Linux emulator in new release? Or provides instructions to install RPM Linux emulator in your website... It can and does, and has for years. Instructions for using the linux emulator may be found in the handbook on the website. Kris pgpytA91SPjw5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 11:41:15PM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. This may or may not be an option for you: both IBM and HP (Compaq) offer remote supervisor cards that offer network access to the machine, even when it is booting, etc. You can use it to access the BIOS, watch the machine boot, get into single user mode, etc, all from your chair in another city. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Are these supervisor cards unique to IBM HP? Can the card be bought separately and will they work on generic motherboard? Do you have URL for info on these supervisor cards? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Pauly Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 1:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 11:41:15PM +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. This may or may not be an option for you: both IBM and HP (Compaq) offer remote supervisor cards that offer network access to the machine, even when it is booting, etc. You can use it to access the BIOS, watch the machine boot, get into single user mode, etc, all from your chair in another city. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 01:54:26PM -0400, JJB wrote: Are these supervisor cards unique to IBM HP? Can the card be bought separately and will they work on generic motherboard? Do you have URL for info on these supervisor cards? They are unique to each manufacturer. I am not aware of a generic one. We currently use IBM's. Just google for IBM remote supervisor II. The IBM can even be accessed via a web browser (with password security obviously). I'm not up-to-date on the Compaq's. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Peter Pauly wrote: On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 01:54:26PM -0400, JJB wrote: Are these supervisor cards unique to IBM HP? Can the card be bought separately and will they work on generic motherboard? Do you have URL for info on these supervisor cards? They are unique to each manufacturer. I am not aware of a generic one. We currently use IBM's. Just google for IBM remote supervisor II. The IBM can even be accessed via a web browser (with password security obviously). I'm not up-to-date on the Compaq's. the Compaq (new HP) one is called remote insight light out edition II a quick google should find the relevent URL I'd be supprised if it works in non Compaq/HP servers though. (meant to try it but we dont have any at my current workplace :( ) some more modern Compaq/HP servers have them intergrated. one nice feature I like is the Virtual floppy drive. if you realy needed to you could (in theory, never tried it) install any OS that supports floppy based installs without having to go near the machine if the light out board had the right network settings. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Of course you wouldn't want to upgrade from 5.1 to 5.2 remotely. You have to fix things between these two releases in single user. In my case, the userland wouldn't completely install. I had to manually copy files from the build directory to their locations on the file system in order to get this to work. Not all the files, but enough to get the install to work. You can pull this off on the 4.x tree without a hitch. I did upgrades from 4.7 to 4.8 to 4.8 stable to 4.9 release remotely on a machine without a problem. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Ok, thank you all for response. As far as I see things now, the best way to upgrade from one stable release to the next is via source upgrade. Configuration files probably need some attention, because mergemaster cannot be run remotely. Upgrading from one major release to the next (4.x - 5.x) is practically not possible remotely, or at least _very_ difficult. Upgrade problems like the statd issue will not occur with stable branches. There is no other good way to upgrade remotely, is it? What about old files from the previous release? Will these be deleted properly with source upgrade? I've heard of occasional problems with old libraries lying around. Are there any efforts to improve the software managment in the base system? NetBSD for instance has once started a system-pkgsrc project (but does not seem to continue this), which I think is a great idea. Managing the system software with pkg_add and friends would be nice IMO. /Roman signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. I mean, I have a server running, to which I have no physical access. The only way to maintain it, is over SSH. The upgrade instructions in INSTALL.txt suggest putting in the CD, and using sysinstall for a binary upgrade. That is no option for me. What I am looking for is an upgrade method which - can be used over an SSH connection - is not too difficult (like manually placing each piece in the right place) - does not leave old stuff on the HD (like the sysinstall method does, AFAIK) ... to make it short, something like the ports system (especially portupgrade) does with non-system apps would be cool. Is there a way to achieve that? This would be the one bit, which would make me switch to FreeBSD. /Roman signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Hey Roman, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. I mean, I have a server running, to which I have no physical access. The only way to maintain it, is over SSH. The upgrade instructions in INSTALL.txt suggest putting in the CD, and using sysinstall for a binary upgrade. That is no option for me. What I am looking for is an upgrade method which - can be used over an SSH connection - is not too difficult (like manually placing each piece in the right place) - does not leave old stuff on the HD (like the sysinstall method does, AFAIK) ... to make it short, something like the ports system (especially portupgrade) does with non-system apps would be cool. I use CVSup to update my system and then rebuild as described in the /usr/src/Makefile file, (yeah yeah there is a UPDATING file on should follow), the only thing that i am not doing, since i dont have physical access as well, is boot into single user mode and run mergemaster, mostly i am keen of knowing what changes , so far on my 5.x servers there weren't any issue's requiring mergemaster to run. Apart from that i updated my systems many times, without being in single user mode, with an ssh connection. Hope this helps a bit.. ow yeah /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui is where the cvsup lives :) Cheers Is there a way to achieve that? This would be the one bit, which would make me switch to FreeBSD. /Roman -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Sunday 06 June 2004 02:44 pm, Remko Lodder wrote: Hey Roman, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. I mean, I have a server running, to which I have no physical access. The only way to maintain it, is over SSH. The upgrade instructions in INSTALL.txt suggest putting in the CD, and using sysinstall for a binary upgrade. That is no option for me. What I am looking for is an upgrade method which - can be used over an SSH connection - is not too difficult (like manually placing each piece in the right place) - does not leave old stuff on the HD (like the sysinstall method does, AFAIK) ... to make it short, something like the ports system (especially portupgrade) does with non-system apps would be cool. I use CVSup to update my system and then rebuild as described in the /usr/src/Makefile file, (yeah yeah there is a UPDATING file on should follow), the only thing that i am not doing, since i dont have physical access as well, is boot into single user mode and run mergemaster, mostly i am keen of knowing what changes , so far on my 5.x servers there weren't any issue's requiring mergemaster to run. Apart from that i updated my systems many times, without being in single user mode, with an ssh connection. This doesn't work on the upgrade to 5.2 from 5.1. You have to boot into single user mode to do the installworld. You have incompatible features at this upgrade. Kent Hope this helps a bit.. ow yeah /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui is where the cvsup lives :) Cheers Is there a way to achieve that? This would be the one bit, which would make me switch to FreeBSD. /Roman -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Hi, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), .. Apart from that i updated my systems many times, without being in single user mode, with an ssh connection. This doesn't work on the upgrade to 5.2 from 5.1. You have to boot into single user mode to do the installworld. You have incompatible features at this upgrade. Exactly these kinds of hassles I don't want. I am wondering - FreeBSD has built such a nice thing like the ports system. It's a work of genius. Only that the install/upgrade process of the system itself is completely different (and not very convenient IMO). Is it not possible to 'port' the System stuff into the ports system (or a different ports system, say, the 'system ports' or something like that). Just an idea. Ok, are there other ways? Isn't there a script, which places the new archives over the old ones, and removes the stuff, that's left from the old system? Or is this a too-difficult task? /Roman signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Sunday 06 June 2004 02:55 pm, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), .. Apart from that i updated my systems many times, without being in single user mode, with an ssh connection. This doesn't work on the upgrade to 5.2 from 5.1. You have to boot into single user mode to do the installworld. You have incompatible features at this upgrade. Exactly these kinds of hassles I don't want. I am wondering - FreeBSD has built such a nice thing like the ports system. It's a work of genius. Only that the install/upgrade process of the system itself is completely different (and not very convenient IMO). Is it not possible to 'port' the System stuff into the ports system (or a different ports system, say, the 'system ports' or something like that). Just an idea. Ok, are there other ways? Isn't there a script, which places the new archives over the old ones, and removes the stuff, that's left from the old system? Or is this a too-difficult task? The problem with 5.1 5.2 is called statfs. See, /usr/src/UPDATING. It will run with a new kernel and not the old kernel. If you do an installworld before you do an installkernel, you have to use the fixit CD to fix it. For a while, they thought you had to do a clean install. I have no idea what happens if you boot to a 5.2 kernel with a 5.1 userland. The ports are entirely different because they don't deal with basic things such as fs'es. Somewhere in the 5.2 chain is the port problem with pthreads. You can count on rebuilding all of your ports that use pthreads. Portupgrade does a lot of what you talk about but I always use puf and it avoids moving the libraries in to the compat directory. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Am Mo, den 07.06.2004 schrieb Kent Stewart um 0:03: On Sunday 06 June 2004 02:55 pm, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), .. Apart from that i updated my systems many times, without being in single user mode, with an ssh connection. This doesn't work on the upgrade to 5.2 from 5.1. You have to boot into single user mode to do the installworld. You have incompatible features at this upgrade. Exactly these kinds of hassles I don't want. I am wondering - FreeBSD has built such a nice thing like the ports system. It's a work of genius. Only that the install/upgrade process of the system itself is completely different (and not very convenient IMO). Is it not possible to 'port' the System stuff into the ports system (or a different ports system, say, the 'system ports' or something like that). Just an idea. Ok, are there other ways? Isn't there a script, which places the new archives over the old ones, and removes the stuff, that's left from the old system? Or is this a too-difficult task? The problem with 5.1 5.2 is called statfs. See, /usr/src/UPDATING. It will run with a new kernel and not the old kernel. If you do an installworld before you do an installkernel, you have to use the fixit CD to fix it. For a while, they thought you had to do a clean install. Ugly. I am not too familiar with the internals of FreeBSD. But I really think, that in the long run, FreeBSD must have a more clever software managment for the system stuff. Something like 'apt-get dist-upgrade' comes to mind, or 'emerge -Ud world'. It should be possible to track what changes from one point release to the next one, and do most of the upgrade stuff automatically (excluding most configuration) and without a CD. Rebuilding the ports tree stuff after the upgrade is not the problem (because this is already managed in a very good way). All I want is not reinstalling the system after every few releases. The FreeBSD team should care about an possibility to easily upgrade from at least one point release to another. Only my suggestion. Best regards, Roman signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
RE: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
The source upgrade is not the problem, it's when on those rare times that system configuration file statements are added or changed that requiring mergemaster to run. There is no way around that condition when that happens. The 5.1 to 5.2 case is special just because 5.x is development branch. You would not see this in stable branch upgrades. Now I think I read about an case where an person had two remote headless systems and he set each one up with an serial console to the other system. So he could have ssh session to box A which had serial console connection to box B that he then could put box B into single user mode to do mergemaster and return back to multi user mode. Then he would use ssh session to box B who had serial console connection to box A and do same thing to box A. So there is an way around your remote problem as long as you have two boxes at same remote location. You know the real simple solution is to do your upgrade to local box and remove hard disk and ship it to remote location and have short downtime while hard drives are swapped. All ways have an single IDE drive just for your operation system separate from your data drives. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kent Stewart Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 5:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Remko Lodder; Roman Kennke Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release On Sunday 06 June 2004 02:44 pm, Remko Lodder wrote: Hey Roman, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. I mean, I have a server running, to which I have no physical access. The only way to maintain it, is over SSH. The upgrade instructions in INSTALL.txt suggest putting in the CD, and using sysinstall for a binary upgrade. That is no option for me. What I am looking for is an upgrade method which - can be used over an SSH connection - is not too difficult (like manually placing each piece in the right place) - does not leave old stuff on the HD (like the sysinstall method does, AFAIK) ... to make it short, something like the ports system (especially portupgrade) does with non-system apps would be cool. I use CVSup to update my system and then rebuild as described in the /usr/src/Makefile file, (yeah yeah there is a UPDATING file on should follow), the only thing that i am not doing, since i dont have physical access as well, is boot into single user mode and run mergemaster, mostly i am keen of knowing what changes , so far on my 5.x servers there weren't any issue's requiring mergemaster to run. Apart from that i updated my systems many times, without being in single user mode, with an ssh connection. This doesn't work on the upgrade to 5.2 from 5.1. You have to boot into single user mode to do the installworld. You have incompatible features at this upgrade. Kent Hope this helps a bit.. ow yeah /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui is where the cvsup lives :) Cheers Is there a way to achieve that? This would be the one bit, which would make me switch to FreeBSD. /Roman -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Roman Kennke wrote: All I want is not reinstalling the system after every few releases. The FreeBSD team should care about an possibility to easily upgrade from at least one point release to another. Only my suggestion. Have you read the Handbook chapter called The Cutting Edge? It describes the standard method of updating the system via source. Not a difficult process, although it can be time-consuming. It works; one of my servers started at 4.1, and is now running 4.10. Problems arise when you switch branches (4.x to 5.x), and apparently there have been difficulties in the 5.x branch. But 5.x is not a release version yet, so that's to be expected. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
Roman Kennke writes: All I want is not reinstalling the system after every few releases. My first installation of FreeBSD was 2.0.5. Since then I have done a clean install for x.0 releases - as a matter of policy (excuse to upgrade hardware, plus it cleans out orphaned files) but not necessity. (Or am I not remembering a red flag day between 2.x and 3.0?) Between .0s, I have successfully upgraded using the method described in the handbook. These days I'm more worried about a port upgrade trashing a config file. Have I had problems? Yes. All of them turned out to be hardware-related or me doing something stupid that broke the process. Robert huff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to a new release
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, Roman Kennke wrote: Hi list, One thing, that is making me _not_ using FreeBSD is, that I see no way to easily upgrade from, say 5.1 to 5.2 (just an example), over network. I mean, I have a server running, to which I have no physical access. The only way to maintain it, is over SSH. The upgrade instructions in INSTALL.txt suggest putting in the CD, and using sysinstall for a binary upgrade. That is no option for me. What I am looking for is an upgrade method which - can be used over an SSH connection - is not too difficult (like manually placing each piece in the right place) - does not leave old stuff on the HD (like the sysinstall method does, AFAIK) Generally this can be done (though it is not recommended) the way that is described in Chapter 21 of the handbook - you just don't drop into single user mode. But you shouldn't track -CURRENT then, since -CURRENT developers tend to produce some horrible bugs every two or three months. Do test this upgrade procedure on a local machine, so you know how things work. ... to make it short, something like the ports system (especially portupgrade) does with non-system apps would be cool. Is there a way to achieve that? This would be the one bit, which would make me switch to FreeBSD. I am convinced you will. Uli. /Roman +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems creating a new release
Hi list! I'm currently trying to create a Knoppix-like desktop system from 4.9 sources, with almost no sourcecode change. I made a new directory where I create the new system in, then I built the world and some of my favorite ports into this directory. For all this, I modified a shellscript I often use for installation, so it adds -DNOSTATIC to every make commandline to save space, and sets DESTDIR correctly. I'm having a few problems with some ports, and some questions about the changes I have to make. I'll mount /var, /tmp, /etc and /root as memory disks. For /tmp, /var and /root I guess I need to create the devices with vnconfig, and just mount them from /etc/fstab, right? For /etc, I'll modify init to mount the memory disk over the original /etc, create the config files based on the user's hardware and maybe even load saved configuration from a floppy. Would this work, or is it nonsense? And where can I insert my procedures to create the config files? (I only have basic C knowledge) Next problem: Some ports are badly behaved. For example, the /usr/X11R6 directory doesn't exist at all in the new system, although I built some X11 ports. Lots of them failed during the build. I have one program (not in the ports) with a Loki installer that doesn't want to install when locked into the new directory. It says: ELF binary type 0 not known. Regards, Daniela ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New release
On Saturday 15 February 2003 08:29 am, Jack Raats wrote: When will the tree be frozen? The release scheme on http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.8R/schedule.html is not uptodate Can anyone give a clue? Jack sorry for the semi-sarcasm, but no step can really be announced before it is announced! It looks like they are as much as 7 days behind (and possibly none at all, the testing guide could appear later today), but with all the releng team has to do, that's not too surprising, it is all done by volunteers. That page seems like the best place to check. Tthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is a closed list for committers only. So those reminder anouncements could have been made already and everything on schedule, just not updated the page yet It seems the code freeze announcement is only sent to developers, but you can follow [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to see exactly when it does happen. Why the announcement is not sent to -stable, I have no idea. Basically, likely no biggie, be patient Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
New release
When will the tree be frozen? The release scheme on http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.8R/schedule.html is not uptodate Can anyone give a clue? Jack To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
