Re: Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2
On 01/08/12 09:05, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote: Greetings, dear FreeBSD enthusiast. I am tearing my hair out trying to get FreeBSD 8.2 operating on my Hewlett-Packard xw4400 workstation. I am a newcomer to FreeBSD. This workstation is used by several different people. Normally, only one of them is logged in at any given time. I have several questions and concerns. (1) Does anyone know how to get FreeBSD to read the motherboard name? This name, on an xw4400, starts with "HP" followed by a eleven digits, and is given in Windows XP as "Full Computer Name" on the "Computer Name" tab of the "System Properties" window. Among other purposes, this name is used by Novell network operating system to distinguish hosts on a subnet. If you are running Xwindows you could also try "lshal" at the cmd line. (2) I cannot get the "find" command to locate files that I believe were installed at the time of sysinstall. If I understand the Handbook correctly, when one runs "find" from the "/" directory, it is supposed to inspect all directories and subdirectories of all partitions, which it is not doing. What concept am I missing here? (3) I thought that I would obtain a better understanding of the file system by running "man heir." This command runs fine under "sh." When I switch to my preferred shell, which is "bash," I type, and receive echo on the screen, "man hei." As soon as I depress "r," the entire previously entered command echos to the screen, starting where the "r" should have appeared. In checking the bash manual, it says that this response is correct for "control-r." I could not find "non-shift-r" to be called out as a command. Am I doing something wrong? Is this a hardware bug? Is this a software bug? Is there something that needs to be defined or undefined in a configuration file? (4) Not having very good luck with the "find" command, I thought I would try to use the "locate" command. To use this command, one must create a database. On www.us-webmasters.com, I read that this database could be constructed by running the command "#usr/libexec/locate.updatedb." I entered "cd" to get to this directory, I entered "ls -lt" to read the directory and to verify that it contained a file named "locate.updatedb," which it did. But when I entered "locate.updatedb" at the command prompt, I received the response "command not found." Why can the command shell not find the command when "ls" clearly indicates it to exist in the current directory? How do I, as a user, distinguish an executable binary file from a data file? FreeBSD does not seem to use file extension labels for this purpose. (5) What device driver must be installed for the sound board to be able to receive a m.i.d.i. over u.s.b. signal? This signal would be generated by a musician's keyboard, and would control a music synthesizer application, to be installed. I could find no mention of this topic in the Handbook. You will need to load the kernel module "uaudio". That will take care of OSS drivers for you, most apps will require Jack, though. There is an application in the ports that apparently reads midi and writes to Jack- I've yet to try it myself, but in theory it could work :) (6) In the book "Absolute FreeBSD" by Urban and Tiemann, I found a two line command to cause the bash prompt to display the file path and current directory. Unfortunately, the text is quite unclear as to the name of the file to which these line are to be added, or the directory in which this file is located. I assume that somewhere there must be login configuration files, bearing each user's name, that give his or her shell configuration instructions. What are the names of such files, and where are they located? Any and all comments and instruction on these points are sorely needed and will be much appreciated. Special thanks to those who responded to my previous message on this general topic. Sincerely, --Lee HTH. Good luck! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2
On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 12:32:25AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
>
> On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:05:55 -0800 (PST), leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net
> wrote:
> > (1) Does anyone know how to get FreeBSD to read the
> > motherboard name? This name, on an xw4400, starts with
> > "HP" followed by a eleven digits, and is given in Windows
> > XP as "Full Computer Name" on the "Computer Name" tab
> > of the "System Properties" window. Among other purposes,
> > this name is used by Novell network operating system to
> > distinguish hosts on a subnet.
>
> The OS provides the output of dmesg and maybe the
> output of pciconf -lv, as well as the sysctl value
> dev.acpi.0.%desc which may contain the required
> information. However, I'm sure there is a program
> in the ports collection that can be used to obtain
> that kind of information.
>
> Try:
>
> dmesg | grep "HP"
> sysctl -a | grep "HP"
> pciconf -lv | less
>
> and see if there's such a number mentioned. Maybe
> you can also use acpidump to retrieve that information
> from the ACPI datasets.
>
>
>
> > (2) I cannot get the "find" command to locate files
> > that I believe were installed at the time of sysinstall.
> > If I understand the Handbook correctly, when one runs
> > "find" from the "/" directory, it is supposed to inspect
> > all directories and subdirectories of all partitions,
> > which it is not doing. What concept am I missing here?
>
> It would be easier to answer if you could provide
> the find command line you've been running. :-)
>
> See "man find" for more information. Basically,
> "find / -name -type f" should be sufficient
> to access all partitions currently mounted to search
> for specified regular files.
>
>
>
> > (3) I thought that I would obtain a better understanding
> > of the file system by running "man heir." This command
> > runs fine under "sh." When I switch to my preferred shell,
> > which is "bash," I type, and receive echo on the screen,
> > "man hei." As soon as I depress "r," the entire previously
> > entered command echos to the screen, starting where the
> > "r" should have appeared. In checking the bash manual, it
> > says that this response is correct for "control-r." I
> > could not find "non-shift-r" to be called out as a command.
> > Am I doing something wrong? Is this a hardware bug? Is
> > this a software bug? Is there something that needs to be
> > defined or undefined in a configuration file?
>
> No, bash's configuration files provided after install
> should be fine.
>
> However, I think you have a typo. The command you're
> intending to run is "man hier" ("hierarchy"). I've
> tested both csh and bash here, both allow the command
> to be entered without any interruption. When I type
> "man hei" followed by Ctrl+R, I get the following
> output: "(reverse-i-search)`': man hei".
>
>
>
> > (4) Not having very good luck with the "find" command,
> > I thought I would try to use the "locate" command.
> > To use this command, one must create a database.
> > On www.us-webmasters.com, I read that this database
> > could be constructed by running the command
> > "#usr/libexec/locate.updatedb."
>
> The required task is usually executed by the system's
> "night job" at 3:00 once a week. The script that will
> be run is /etc/periodic/weekly/310.locate which you
> could run manually. It will deal with the correct
> call of /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb (instead of
> running it as root!).
The thing to run is periodic(8):
# periodic weekly
That will also update other useful stuff.
Regards,
--
Frank
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Re: Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2
On Sat 2012-01-07 15:05:55 UTC-0800, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net (leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net) wrote: > (5) What device driver must be installed for the sound board to be > able to receive a m.i.d.i. over u.s.b. signal? This signal would be > generated by a musician's keyboard, and would control a music > synthesizer application, to be installed. I could find no mention of > this topic in the Handbook. There are USB to MIDI in/out hardware devices available. Last I looked they were selling for about US$25 on eBay. I bought one about two years ago and use it in Ubuntu Linux. I don't think I ever tested if it worked in FreeBSD but I suspect it would. I also have a Casio WK3300 keyboard with USB output. I don't think it was supported by FreeBSD, but Ubuntu Linux (10.04 Lucid) recognised it. The sound card you use is irrelevant as to whether you can use MIDI over USB. In fact MIDI can be used for non-audio applications, for example lighting rigs. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2
Polytropon writes: > On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:05:55 -0800 (PST), leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net > wrote: >> (1) Does anyone know how to get FreeBSD to read the >> motherboard name? This name, on an xw4400, starts with >> "HP" followed by a eleven digits, and is given in Windows >> XP as "Full Computer Name" on the "Computer Name" tab >> of the "System Properties" window. Among other purposes, >> this name is used by Novell network operating system to >> distinguish hosts on a subnet. > > The OS provides the output of dmesg and maybe the > output of pciconf -lv, as well as the sysctl value > dev.acpi.0.%desc which may contain the required > information. However, I'm sure there is a program > in the ports collection that can be used to obtain > that kind of information. > > Try: > > dmesg | grep "HP" > sysctl -a | grep "HP" > pciconf -lv | less > > and see if there's such a number mentioned. Maybe > you can also use acpidump to retrieve that information > from the ACPI datasets. The 'kenv' command seems to have the board name available as 'smbios.system.product'. The 'kenv' command without arguments will show all values, so you can make sure that is the proper variable. -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2
On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:05:55 -0800 (PST), leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net
wrote:
> (1) Does anyone know how to get FreeBSD to read the
> motherboard name? This name, on an xw4400, starts with
> "HP" followed by a eleven digits, and is given in Windows
> XP as "Full Computer Name" on the "Computer Name" tab
> of the "System Properties" window. Among other purposes,
> this name is used by Novell network operating system to
> distinguish hosts on a subnet.
The OS provides the output of dmesg and maybe the
output of pciconf -lv, as well as the sysctl value
dev.acpi.0.%desc which may contain the required
information. However, I'm sure there is a program
in the ports collection that can be used to obtain
that kind of information.
Try:
dmesg | grep "HP"
sysctl -a | grep "HP"
pciconf -lv | less
and see if there's such a number mentioned. Maybe
you can also use acpidump to retrieve that information
from the ACPI datasets.
> (2) I cannot get the "find" command to locate files
> that I believe were installed at the time of sysinstall.
> If I understand the Handbook correctly, when one runs
> "find" from the "/" directory, it is supposed to inspect
> all directories and subdirectories of all partitions,
> which it is not doing. What concept am I missing here?
It would be easier to answer if you could provide
the find command line you've been running. :-)
See "man find" for more information. Basically,
"find / -name -type f" should be sufficient
to access all partitions currently mounted to search
for specified regular files.
> (3) I thought that I would obtain a better understanding
> of the file system by running "man heir." This command
> runs fine under "sh." When I switch to my preferred shell,
> which is "bash," I type, and receive echo on the screen,
> "man hei." As soon as I depress "r," the entire previously
> entered command echos to the screen, starting where the
> "r" should have appeared. In checking the bash manual, it
> says that this response is correct for "control-r." I
> could not find "non-shift-r" to be called out as a command.
> Am I doing something wrong? Is this a hardware bug? Is
> this a software bug? Is there something that needs to be
> defined or undefined in a configuration file?
No, bash's configuration files provided after install
should be fine.
However, I think you have a typo. The command you're
intending to run is "man hier" ("hierarchy"). I've
tested both csh and bash here, both allow the command
to be entered without any interruption. When I type
"man hei" followed by Ctrl+R, I get the following
output: "(reverse-i-search)`': man hei".
> (4) Not having very good luck with the "find" command,
> I thought I would try to use the "locate" command.
> To use this command, one must create a database.
> On www.us-webmasters.com, I read that this database
> could be constructed by running the command
> "#usr/libexec/locate.updatedb."
The required task is usually executed by the system's
"night job" at 3:00 once a week. The script that will
be run is /etc/periodic/weekly/310.locate which you
could run manually. It will deal with the correct
call of /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb (instead of
running it as root!).
> I entered "cd" to get to this directory, I entered
> "ls -lt" to read the directory and to verify that it
> contained a file named "locate.updatedb," which it did.
> But when I entered "locate.updatedb" at the command
> prompt, I received the response "command not found."
> Why can the command shell not find the command when
> "ls" clearly indicates it to exist in the current
> directory?
Because execution of programs will only be done from
directories that are listed in $PATH. Check the
output of "echo $PATH" and you'll see that /usr/libexec
is not on that list. Intendedly.
You need to explicitely call such programs with the
full pathname, or from within the directory by prefixing
it with ./, e. g. "./locate.updatedb". However, doing
that as user or as root is not the correct way to perform
the required action. Call the script from /etc/periodic
instead to issue the building of the database now.
> How do I, as a user, distinguish an executable binary
> file from a data file?
This is done by file attributes. The "executable" bit
must be set. Shells that call the ls command have the
ability to use a color scheme and a suffix to show
this directly:
% ll /etc/rc.conf /etc/rc.local
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1563 Aug 24 06:43 /etc/rc.conf
-rwxr- 1 root wheel 602 Dec 11 2009 /etc/rc.local*
The asterisk indicates an executable, as well as the "x"
in the attributes field at the beginning. Furthermore,
the filename "/etc/rc.local" appears in bright green
color.
For the C shell, use
setenv LSCOLORS ExGxdxdxCxDxDxBxBxegeg
and for bash, use
export LSCOLORS="ExGxdxdxCxDxDxBxBxegeg"
to configure the colors. See "man ls" for details.
Oh, and the "ll" from my example is "ls -laFG" whic
Re: Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2
On 01/08/2012 01:05 AM, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote: Greetings, dear FreeBSD enthusiast. I am tearing my hair out trying to get FreeBSD 8.2 operating on my Hewlett-Packard xw4400 workstation. I am a newcomer to FreeBSD. This workstation is used by several different people. Normally, only one of them is logged in at any given time. I have several questions and concerns. (1) Does anyone know how to get FreeBSD to read the motherboard name? This name, on an xw4400, starts with "HP" followed by a eleven digits, and is given in Windows XP as "Full Computer Name" on the "Computer Name" tab of the "System Properties" window. Among other purposes, this name is used by Novell network operating system to distinguish hosts on a subnet. (2) I cannot get the "find" command to locate files that I believe were installed at the time of sysinstall. If I understand the Handbook correctly, when one runs "find" from the "/" directory, it is supposed to inspect all directories and subdirectories of all partitions, which it is not doing. What concept am I missing here? man find and "find / -name pattern" (3) I thought that I would obtain a better understanding of the file system by running "man heir." This command runs fine under "sh." When I switch to my preferred shell, which is "bash," I type, and receive echo on the screen, "man hei." As soon as I depress "r," the entire previously entered command echos to the screen, starting where the "r" should have appeared. In checking the bash manual, it says that this response is correct for "control-r." I could not find "non-shift-r" to be called out as a command. Am I doing something wrong? Is this a hardware bug? Is this a software bug? Is there something that needs to be defined or undefined in a configuration file? Do you mean "man hier"? (4) Not having very good luck with the "find" command, I thought I would try to use the "locate" command. To use this command, one must create a database. On www.us-webmasters.com, I read that this database could be constructed by running the command "#usr/libexec/locate.updatedb." I entered "cd" to get to this directory, I entered "ls -lt" to read the directory and to verify that it contained a file named "locate.updatedb," which it did. But when I entered "locate.updatedb" at the command prompt, I received the response "command not found." Why can the command shell not find the command when "ls" clearly indicates it to exist in the current directory? How do I, as a user, distinguish an executable binary file from a data file? FreeBSD does not seem to use file extension labels for this purpose. You are confusing the commands. As the name implies, locate.updatedb is to be used with locate, not find. Try man whereis and /usr/libexec. (5) What device driver must be installed for the sound board to be able to receive a m.i.d.i. over u.s.b. signal? This signal would be generated by a musician's keyboard, and would control a music synthesizer application, to be installed. I could find no mention of this topic in the Handbook. What hardware do you have? (6) In the book "Absolute FreeBSD" by Urban and Tiemann, I found a two line command to cause the bash prompt to display the file path and current directory. Unfortunately, the text is quite unclear as to the name of the file to which these line are to be added, or the directory in which this file is located. I assume that somewhere there must be login configuration files, bearing each user's name, that give his or her shell configuration instructions. What are the names of such files, and where are they located? Try .bashrc. The variable is named PS1. Any and all comments and instruction on these points are sorely needed and will be much appreciated. Special thanks to those who responded to my previous message on this general topic. Sincerely, --Lee ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" -- Rares Aioanei ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:45:37 -0800 (PST), leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote: > Good evening, dear FreeBSD enthusiast. I am a newcomer, > and have installed FreeBSD 8.2 on a Hewlett-Packard xw4400. Excellent choice of OS. > After many hours of frustration, I am tearing my hair out. > I want my system to include an M-Audio Delta 1010LT sound > card, MIDI over USB driver, X-windows, and Gnome. The M-Audio Delta sound hardware is listed in the snd_envy24 sound driver. MIDI over USB... sorry, no experience with that (only "real" MIDI in ye olden times). X-Window (X11) and Gnome need to be installed, they are not part of the operating system. > The instructions in the handbook and on-disk man do not > seem to apply to this version of FreeBSD, or at least I > do not seem to know how to apply them. The basic steps should be the same. They have been nearly the same since 4.0. :-) > I type "find sound," or "find pcm," or find snd_envy24," > or "find x11," or "find gnome," and receive either a > blank response, or response of "file does not exist" to > all of these queries. That's correct. See "man find" for how to properly invoke that program. Basically, you use # find -name to find some specific files, e. g. # find /usr/ports -name gnome # find /boot -name snd_envy24\* You can add the \* wildcard (* needs to be escaped for the shell to _not_ expand it!) if you're not searching for one specific file name. > All of these items were supposedly installed at the time > of system configuration, but as to where, I cannot seem > to determine. Installed software will be in /usr/local. You can for example use the command # find /usr/local -name gnome-session\* to see if the gnome session manager has been installed. An easier approach is to make yourself familiar with ports and packages, and how to use the pkg_* family of tools, as well as how to read the content of /var/db/pkg; for example, all installed software will cause a directory to be created in that path, so you can see if it's there: # ls /var/db/pkg/gnome* will list all gnome stuff that is installed. This subtree is your "catalog of installed things". But it's _much_ easier to read "man pkg_info" and use that. It's not the time for a lecture about shell scripting right now. :-) Just in case you don't know the correct syntax for any command, or the purpose or layout of a file, use its man page. FreeBSD is known for covering all the parts of the OS with a proper manual page (system binaries and scripts, configuration files, device drivers, kernel interfaces, library functions, system operation and maintenance procedures, and introductions). > The gnome installation took twice as long as installation > of everything else. Where did sysinstall install it? Into /usr/local. Gnome is a "heavy beast" with lots of dependencies. > How do I get it to start? This is covered in the Handbook in section 6.7: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html make sure you're running the depending services related to making Gnome functional. Additionally, in most cases you'll want to have hald_enable="YES" dbus_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf, the system's configuration file. Also see http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/ > The response to "startx" is "file does not exit." I realize > that I may be missing something o > b! > vious. It seems that you're missing X. :-) You need to install the xorg port (or package via pkg_add -r) along with the driver for your graphics card. If you have successfully accomplished that, Gnome should be up and running. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2
On 12/31/11 14:45, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote: Good evening, dear FreeBSD enthusiast. I am a newcomer, and have installed FreeBSD 8.2 on a Hewlett-Packard xw4400. After many hours of frustration, I am tearing my hair out. I want my system to include an M-Audio Delta 1010LT sound card, MIDI over USB driver, X-windows, and Gnome. The instructions in the handbook and on-disk man do not seem to apply to this version of FreeBSD, or at least I do not seem to know how to apply them. I type "find sound," or "find pcm," or find snd_envy24," or "find x11," or "find gnome," and receive either a blank response, or response of "file does not exist" to all of these queries. All of these items were supposedly installed at the time of system configuration, but as to where, I cannot seem to determine. The gnome installation took twice as long as installation of everything else. Where did sysinstall install it? How do I get it to start? The response to "startx" is "file does not exit." I realize that I may be missing something o b! vious. Any guidance is appreciated. -- Lee Lee, your provided info so far is great. But what happened when you first installed the system? Step by step through the install process. 1. Disk in, boot up. 2. Wait for beastie menu or hit enter to run. 3. Keyboard selected. 4. Standard install started. 5. Drive formatted. 6. Base packages selected - which ones? 7. Users, Root, mouse and time setup. 8. Network services (NFS client or server, gateway, etc). 9. Package install- any packages selected? (Is this where you installed gnome and X) 10. Anything else configured? 11. Reboot. What showed up on the reboot? Run dmesg and post the output. Also, which part of the handbook are you reading? The teletyped lines are commands to be run, and I'm not sure where your commands are coming from. Find is a directory tree parser, and can be used to find things. So you run "find / -name foo" to find "foo" in the filesystem. "find /" will list the whole filesystem. What attempting I believe would be "whereis", as in "whereis sound". Run "man find" or "man whereis" to discover more, or google those commands if you have trouble reading that on the console. Running startx won't get you far if you're looking for a Desktop Environment like Gnome, so lets hold on that. But lets see if you can get the sound first- login as root or "su -" at the prompt (password will be root's password) and try "kldload snd_driver" and "cat /dev/sndstat" and post the output. That will load sound and try to find the right driver for you as a kernel module. Note that and run "ee /boot/loader.conf" and add the driver there (as in snd_hda or snd_envy24) directly followed by _load=YES: eg, snd_hda_load=YES. Hit the escape key to save and exit. The driver will load every time you boot now. More next episode. Good luck :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD 9 on an AMD 64 with 16 GB of memory
On 9/25/2011 5:16 AM, Jukka A. Ukkonen wrote: > Booting proceeded as expected to the point when CD loader 1.2 was found > and the little rotor started running in the beginning of the line. >>From that moment on there was absolutely no progress. > > Any hints and pointers about what to try next would be welcome. I had seen the same symptoms in the past on some motherboards with USB LEGACY Support enabled in the BIOS. Try and disable that and boot up from the CD. You might also have to disable "something or another handoff" as well that typically is set near the USB Legacy support option. ---Mike -- --- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, m...@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD 9 on an AMD 64 with 16 GB of memory
On 25/09/2011 17:04, Mark Felder wrote: > I have an Opteron machine that on both 7.x and 8.x it displays this > behavior. The only fix was to boot from USB and it would get past it. > Weird. Was it also an LSI controller? I had the same problem a month ago. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Installing FreeBSD 9 on an AMD 64 with 16 GB of memory
I have an Opteron machine that on both 7.x and 8.x it displays this behavior. The only fix was to boot from USB and it would get past it. Weird. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD 9 on an AMD 64 with 16 GB of memory
Hi, I installed FreeBSD8.2 amd64 the other day on a 98GB RAM machine with 24 CPU's (a supermicro 2U server). Due to this alone, I doubt that the bootloader is limited in any way by the amount of RAM the machine has. However, I experienced the same behavior on several "small" machines (normal PC's) and in most cases, the controller was the culprit. I see you have LSI raid module .. weird, I installed several 8.2's on several servers with LSI raid modules. I cannot think of anything right now as the situations I've experienced in the past were solved symply by removing the raid controller from the machine or configuring all hdd's as single disks. Reading your post again, I see you've already done this. Out of ideas at this point really. sorry. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on a thinkpad x300
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Alokat wrote: > Hi, > > I have successfully installed FreeBSD on my x300 but I have some driver > problems. > > Does someone know how to figure out which driver I need for the sound and > the wlan card? The sound card should be snd_hda(4): http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=snd_hda&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+8.2-RELEASE&format=html Here's a document detailing sound configuration: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.html The wireless device driver should be iwn(4): http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=iwn&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+8.2-RELEASE&format=html Please refer to the handbook for configuration instructions: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.html > And the second point is: does someone know a GUI network manager I can use > for xfce4? There are (at least) a couple from ports you can try: http://www.freshports.org/net/pcbsd-netmanager http://www.freshports.org/net/wpa_gui/ I remember at one time testing a GTK-based utility, but I can't seem to dredge up the name of it from memory ATM... > Regards, > alokat Good luck, -Brandon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on a thinkpad x300
Alokat,
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Alokat wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have successfully installed FreeBSD on my x300 but I have some driver
> problems.
>
> Does someone know how to figure out which driver I need for the sound and
> the wlan card?
For the sound^{1}, try loading the
$ su -
passwd:
# kldload snd_driver
then do a
# cat /dev/sndstat
and that should guide you as to which driver you need.
For the wlan, you can do a
# ifconfig wlan0 list scan
and see if you can get some information and if you encounter
difficulties, you may refer to ^{2}
{1} http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.html
{2}
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.html
> And the second point is: does someone know a GUI network manager I can use
> for xfce4?
This one is a bit more harder to answer, I am not sure if there is
networkmanager in the ports?
>
> Regards,
> alokat
>
Regards,
Antonio
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Re: installing FreeBSD in VMWare-player
I could solve the boot problem of the USB key in the older laptop of my wife by inserting into /boot/loader.conf the line kern.cam.scsi_delay="1" (note: set kern.cam.boot_delay did not help) matthias -- Matthias Apitz «...una sola vez, que es cuanto basta si se trata de verdades definitivas.» «...only once, which is enough if it has todo with definite truth.» José Saramago, Historia del Cerca de Lisboa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing FreeBSD in VMWare-player
I wrote a small howTo for such a migration for others in the same situation. Comments/Impromvements are welcome; Thanks matthias $Id: moveFreeBSDintoVM.txt,v 1.2 2010/09/02 10:55:29 guru Exp $ How to move a complete FreeBSD installation into a VM Matthias Apitz 1. Preparations in the running FreeBSD system Save the current FreeBSD partition layout to paper, i.e. print: - /etc/fstab - output of 'df -kh' - output of 'bsdlabel ad8s4' (or whatever your disk is) so you later know the sizes you will need in the new VM. Reboot the system to single user mode, run fsck(8) in all file systems and mount them read only, while staying single user. Do dump(8) of all the partitions to some external media you later can use in the VM a) physically and b) could be mounted in FreeBSD. I used an USB disk with an UFS file system on it as /dev/da0s1a: # mount -t ufs /dev/da0s1a /mnt # dump -0au -f /mnt/usr.dump /usr # dump -0au -f /mnt/var.dump /var # dump -0au -f /mnt/root.dump / Finally shutdown the system. 2. Prepare the VM Attach resources big enough to reflect your real system to the VM. I used: RAM: 2 GByte IDE: 164 GByte (as one file in the host) Make sure that the VM's boot order is: 1st CD/DVD, 2nd disk, so you later can easy decide from where to boot by just attaching or not the CD/DVD to the VM, even if the disk has already a MBR. Copy an ISO image of the so called "FreeBSD livefs" to the host and attach this as CD/DVD to the VM 3. Partitioning of the disk This part is a bit tricky because the "FreeBSD livefs" does not really guide through it. Boot from "FreeBSD livefs" and - define country and keyboard - run "standard installation" from the menu - fdisk(8) the disk, use entire disk for FreeBSD - let it install FreeBSD's boot manager - partition the slice to the layout of your old system, i.e. to the following result: /dev/ad0s1a1 GByte / /dev/ad0s1b4 GByte swap /dev/ad0s1d2 GByte /var /dev/ad0s1e6 GByte /tmp /dev/ad0s1f(rest 146 GByte)/usr - commit the "last chance before scribbling on disk" The installer will now do the real fdisk(8) and BSD-label of the partitions. It will newfs(8) the above file system and try to install FreeBSD in it, which is not on the CD/DVD and which is not what we want. Answer all questions as "NO" to get finally back to the main menu of sysinstall(8) tool. Reboot again into the "FreeBSD livefs" and go to the fixit repair mode menu, start a shell. The above mentioned file systems are created fine and even the boot manager is fine in place (ofc it would not find anything to boot). The file systems are already polluted which things we don't want (because we later will restore from dumps). Run newfs(8) in all file system devices again: # newfs -m 0 -o space /dev/ad0s1a # newfs -m 0 -o space /dev/ad0s1b # newfs -m 0 -o space /dev/ad0s1d # newfs -m 0 -o space /dev/ad0s1e # newfs -m 0 -o space /dev/ad0s1f We now have clean file systems (and boot manager installed). 4. Restore the dumps First restore the old root file system using the booted "FreeBSD livefs", mount the new root as /mnt and the USB disk containing the dumps as /usb: # mount /dev/ad0s1a /mnt # mkdir /usb # mount -t usf -o ro /dev/da0s1a /usb # cd /mnt # restore rf /usb/root.dump # cd / # umount /mnt One could as well restore the other dumps the same way, but it's better to see if the new root file system already boot fine, because restoring the /usr dump will take many hours (in my case 9 hours for 120 GByte), Reset the VM (no need to worry, nothing is mounted), detach the CD/DVD and reboot the old/new root file system into single user mode. Remount the /root writable and restore the /usr dump: # mount -o rw / # mount -t usf -o ro /dev/da0s1a /mnt # mount /dev/ad0s1f /usr # cd /usr # restore rf /mnt/usr.dump (after 9 hours) # mount /dev/ad0s1d /var # cd /var # restore rf /mnt/var.dump Check and edit the /etc/fstab to reflect the new device names (in my original system the disk was /dev/ad0s8 and not /dev/ad0s1). Make /tmp writable for all users # mount /dev/ad0s1e /tmp # chmod 1777 /tmp The system is now installed and should be boot up fine to normal multi user mode, just reboot normally. 5. Final changes Edit some system files to reflect the new VM environment: /etc/rc.conf: - network interface is now em0, and not wlan0 /boot/loader.conf - sound (still not working) /etc/X11/xorg.conf - recreate the X11 config file the normal way install the vmware-tools for FreeBSD (still pending) 6. Some notes about performance The host is Dell Precision M4400 with Dual Core CPU of 3.09 GHz and runs Windows 7 Professional. It took 9h to restore a dump of /usr which was produced in ~2h. The compared write p
Re: installing FreeBSD in VMWare-player
El día Tuesday, August 31, 2010 a las 03:13:51PM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió: > Now I have already again my 'old' root partition booting to single user > mode and I'm filling in the 120 GByte dump of the /usr ... The 1st try > crashed the Win7 to blue screen over the night :-( The 2nd try was successfull. It took 9 hours to get the dump restored. The system now boots fine, even of course slower than native. I still strougle with some smaller issues: Xorg uses only 1280x720, while the full host display is NVidia support 1920x1200; I can't get sound to work; the sound device is attached to the VM, the kernel loads snd_emu10k1.ko and sound.ko, but no device shows up. Any ideas? matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing FreeBSD in VMWare-player
El día Monday, August 30, 2010 a las 11:31:13AM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió: > El día Friday, August 27, 2010 a las 12:06:09PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias > escribió: > > > On 27/08/2010 10:24 ??.??., Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > > > Is it possible that the data gets corrupt on an USB key after some time? > > > I'm wondering why the system even is intact to be booted from... > > > > > > Will prepare the key again or just fill in the dumps I have... > > > > > > matthias > > I prepared another USB key which boots fine in my laptop, boots fine in > the other laptop native (i.e. without VM-player); but in the > VM-player and in an older laptop of my wife it can't mount the root file > system on boot; it says: ... Because the USB key was not booting in the VM I've now used a 8.0 livefs ISO to boot from. I used this livefs for the 1st time, I think, and even beeing an experienced FreeBSD user for more than 15 years it is not easy to understand how the livefs should be best use to 1) partition the slice and install boot manager 2) restore dumps from the USB disk I have The livefs brings you into the same menu like any other install CD. I was awaiting a straight forward boot into a multiuser run level and then do the work from there. Ofc you can user the installer and dont install anything (because there is nothing in this moment on the CD), and then jump to the shell. In this case the created file systems are already poluted with some stuff and are mounted together. I found no way to unmount /mnt/ad0s1a (todo newfs again). It always said 'busy'. So I booted a 2nd time the livefs and went right away to the shell... Now I have already again my 'old' root partition booting to single user mode and I'm filling in the 120 GByte dump of the /usr ... The 1st try crashed the Win7 to blue screen over the night :-( matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing FreeBSD in VMWare-player
El día Friday, August 27, 2010 a las 12:06:09PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió: > On 27/08/2010 10:24 ??.??., Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > Is it possible that the data gets corrupt on an USB key after some time? > > I'm wondering why the system even is intact to be booted from... > > > > Will prepare the key again or just fill in the dumps I have... > > > > matthias I prepared another USB key which boots fine in my laptop, boots fine in the other laptop native (i.e. without VM-player); but in the VM-player and in an older laptop of my wife it can't mount the root file system on boot; it says: ... umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x000 Root mount waiting for; usbus1 aumass0:1:0:-1 Attached to scbus1 uhub_explore:592: illegal enable change, port 1 da0at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Remobeable Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s travsfer da0: 7701MB (... byte per sector info) Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a Manual root file system specification... when I specify manually the root as 'ufs:/dev/da0s1a' the same message comes again; looks like some timing problem, or? this is with 8-CURRENT based on CVS of March 2009. Any hints? matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing FreeBSD in VMWare-player
El día Friday, August 27, 2010 a las 04:20:41PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió: > Try recreating, preferably newfs the key first. Don't be surprised if > you find out you need a new USB key. newfs(8) did not worked; a format in Win7 lies that it was fine and stops later writing to it after 2 GByte of 8; have to look for another key; thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing FreeBSD in VMWare-player
On 27/08/2010 3:17 μ.μ., Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Friday, August 27, 2010 a las 12:06:09PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias > escribió: > >> On 27/08/2010 10:24 ??.??., Matthias Apitz wrote: >>> Is it possible that the data gets corrupt on an USB key after some time? >>> I'm wondering why the system even is intact to be booted from... >>> >>> Will prepare the key again or just fill in the dumps I have... >>> >>> matthias >>> >> I've heard of stories of data 'fading out' from USB flash drives after >> some period of complete inactivity. >> Haven't experienced this myself though. Otherwise your procedure looks >> fine and it shouldn't fail. > A dump of the key gives several error messages: > > # dump -0au -f usb8.dmp /dev/da0s1a > DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Fri Aug 27 14:06:04 2010 > DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch > DUMP: Dumping /dev/da0s1a to usb8.dmp > DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] > DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] > DUMP: estimated 3980686 tape blocks. > DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] > DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] > DUMP: 52.81% done, finished in 0:04 at Fri Aug 27 14:15:35 2010 > DUMP: DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [block > 4992928]: count=8192 > read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [block 4992870]: > count=10240 > DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [block > 4992896]: count=7168 > DUMP: DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [sector > 4992928]: count=512 > DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [sector > 4992870]: count=512 > read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [sector 4992896]: > count=512 > DUMP: DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [sector > 4992899]: count=512 > DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [sector > 4992931]: count=512 > read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [sector 4992873]: > count=512 > DUMP: DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [block > 5032906]: count=10240 > read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [block 5032928]: > count=9216 > DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [block > 5032946]: count=7168 > > I will re-create the key or even use another media; > > matthias > Try recreating, preferably newfs the key first. Don't be surprised if you find out you need a new USB key. This reminds me of a recent incident I had with another key (of a respected brand as well) which failed and disappeared(!) from the bus while I was writing to it, plugged in on my freebsdgr.org server. Not only I had to umount -f, but subsequently seems the whole USB subsystem got 'stuck' and I had to reboot the server for it to work again. As I said, I have not witnessed 'data fading' in USB flash drives, but this the third one I throw away due to total hardware failure... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing FreeBSD in VMWare-player
El día Friday, August 27, 2010 a las 12:06:09PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió: > On 27/08/2010 10:24 ??.??., Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > Is it possible that the data gets corrupt on an USB key after some time? > > I'm wondering why the system even is intact to be booted from... > > > > Will prepare the key again or just fill in the dumps I have... > > > > matthias > > > > I've heard of stories of data 'fading out' from USB flash drives after > some period of complete inactivity. > Haven't experienced this myself though. Otherwise your procedure looks > fine and it shouldn't fail. A dump of the key gives several error messages: # dump -0au -f usb8.dmp /dev/da0s1a DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Fri Aug 27 14:06:04 2010 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping /dev/da0s1a to usb8.dmp DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 3980686 tape blocks. DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] DUMP: 52.81% done, finished in 0:04 at Fri Aug 27 14:15:35 2010 DUMP: DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [block 4992928]: count=8192 read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [block 4992870]: count=10240 DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [block 4992896]: count=7168 DUMP: DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [sector 4992928]: count=512 DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [sector 4992870]: count=512 read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [sector 4992896]: count=512 DUMP: DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [sector 4992899]: count=512 DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [sector 4992931]: count=512 read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [sector 4992873]: count=512 DUMP: DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [block 5032906]: count=10240 read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [block 5032928]: count=9216 DUMP: read error from /dev/da0s1a: Input/output error: [block 5032946]: count=7168 I will re-create the key or even use another media; matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing FreeBSD in VMWare-player
On 27/08/2010 10:24 π.μ., Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Is it possible that the data gets corrupt on an USB key after some time? > I'm wondering why the system even is intact to be booted from... > > Will prepare the key again or just fill in the dumps I have... > > matthias > I've heard of stories of data 'fading out' from USB flash drives after some period of complete inactivity. Haven't experienced this myself though. Otherwise your procedure looks fine and it shouldn't fail. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on a USB stick.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Fbsd1 wrote: > Christer Solskogen wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Tim Judd wrote: >> >>> And I agree with this 'Fbsd1' user (I wish 'Fbsd1' would update his >>> MTA with a real name) that since Christer is who uses the product, he >>> should look into it. >> >> I'm probably a bit paranoid, but when someone who is not using their >> real name, post a email saying something like "CLIK ON DIS LINK PLZ" >> /and/ Websense kicks in, my paranoia takes over :) >> > Yea like Christer Solskogen is your real name. It is. > Are you that naive that you > believe a name used on a email address has any truth in who really is using > it. What the hell makes you belive that? > If you have nothing to say about the article you should have kept your > paranoia to your self instead of questioning the integrity of the writer. > There was no reason to make your first reply. And even after being told your > websence software is in error you still continue mouthing nonsense. > So you don't see the problem here, do you? You post anonymously on the mailing list, post a link where the hostname pretty much looks like some place where you get your computer full of virus, and websense kicks in. If you don't see that as reason to be a bit more aware of what you have to offer you are retarded. > Once again YOU SHOULD BE ASKING YOUR WEBSENSE SOFTWARE VENDOR WHAT ARE THE > EXACT REASONS THEY FLAGGED THIS SITE. OTHER POSTERS HAVE ALL READY TOLD YOU > THAT FALSE POSITIVES ARE COMMON FROM VENDORS OF SUCH SCAM SERVICES AS > WEBSENSE. NOBODY HAS A GUN TO YOUR HEAD TO CLICK ON A LINK. THAT IS YOUR > CHOOSE OR NOT AND NOBODY HERE ON THE LIST HAS THE LEAST INTEREST IN WHAT YOU > CHOOSE TO CLICK ON SO KEPT IT TO YOUR SELF. > And when you tell me that Websense is a scam it must be because your site is full of evil stuff. Go away! > Any reply from this point on just marks you as a flamer. > And your post don't make you one? You're not even able to keep calm when people asks you a simple question. Still wonder why I think your intentions are not legit? -- chs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on a USB stick.
Christer Solskogen wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Tim Judd wrote: And I agree with this 'Fbsd1' user (I wish 'Fbsd1' would update his MTA with a real name) that since Christer is who uses the product, he should look into it. I'm probably a bit paranoid, but when someone who is not using their real name, post a email saying something like "CLIK ON DIS LINK PLZ" /and/ Websense kicks in, my paranoia takes over :) Yea like Christer Solskogen is your real name. Are you that naive that you believe a name used on a email address has any truth in who really is using it. If you have nothing to say about the article you should have kept your paranoia to your self instead of questioning the integrity of the writer. There was no reason to make your first reply. And even after being told your websence software is in error you still continue mouthing nonsense. Once again YOU SHOULD BE ASKING YOUR WEBSENSE SOFTWARE VENDOR WHAT ARE THE EXACT REASONS THEY FLAGGED THIS SITE. OTHER POSTERS HAVE ALL READY TOLD YOU THAT FALSE POSITIVES ARE COMMON FROM VENDORS OF SUCH SCAM SERVICES AS WEBSENSE. NOBODY HAS A GUN TO YOUR HEAD TO CLICK ON A LINK. THAT IS YOUR CHOOSE OR NOT AND NOBODY HERE ON THE LIST HAS THE LEAST INTEREST IN WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO CLICK ON SO KEPT IT TO YOUR SELF. Any reply from this point on just marks you as a flamer. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on a USB stick.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Tim Judd wrote: > And I agree with this 'Fbsd1' user (I wish 'Fbsd1' would update his > MTA with a real name) that since Christer is who uses the product, he > should look into it. I'm probably a bit paranoid, but when someone who is not using their real name, post a email saying something like "CLIK ON DIS LINK PLZ" /and/ Websense kicks in, my paranoia takes over :) -- chs, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on a USB stick.
On 2/15/10, Christer Solskogen wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Fbsd1 wrote: > >> http://www.a1poweruser.com/usb.info.htm >> > > Why does Websence think your site contains Potentially Unwanted Software? > Without even clicking his link, I've had past experience with a "legit" website being marked unsafe by various engines out there. 1) Another site "sister" to them (by means of the same IP subnet block) is truly unwanted, and it improperly marks a legit site bad. This includes the SOA's DNS servers (I had this case) 2) The legit site is using an ad agency that is known to do bad stuff with their banner ads. 3) A site with a vulnerable app (think wordpress or the notorious "php" apps that are put out) that hasn't been patched. And I agree with this 'Fbsd1' user (I wish 'Fbsd1' would update his MTA with a real name) that since Christer is who uses the product, he should look into it. --TJ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on a USB stick.
Christer Solskogen wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Fbsd1 wrote: http://www.a1poweruser.com/usb.info.htm Why does Websence think your site contains Potentially Unwanted Software? Have no idea what you are talking about. Since your using their software maybe you should be asking them this question. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on a USB stick.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Fbsd1 wrote: > http://www.a1poweruser.com/usb.info.htm > Why does Websence think your site contains Potentially Unwanted Software? -- chs, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: (SOLVED) Re: installing FreeBSD 8 on SSDs and UFS2 - partition alignment, block sizes, what does one need to know?
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:57:03 +0100, Dan Naumov wrote: On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Rick Macklem wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Dan Naumov wrote: For my upcoming storage system, the OS install is going to be on a 80gb Intel SSD disk and for various reasons, I am now pretty convinced to stick with UFS2 for the root partition (the actual data pool will be ZFS using traditional SATA disks). I am probably going to use GPT partitioning and have the SSD host the swap, boot, root and a few other partitions. What do I need to know in regards to partition alignment and filesystem block sizes to get the best performance out of the Intel SSDs? I can't help with your question, but I thought I'd mention that there was a recent post (on freebsd-current, I think?) w.r.t. using an SSD for the ZFS log file. It suggested that that helped with ZFS perf., so you might want to look for the message. rick I have managed to figure out the essential things to know by know, I just wish there was a single, easy to grasp webpage or HOWTO describing and whys and hows so I wouldn't have had had to spend the entire day googling things to get a proper grasp on the issue :) Maybe you can copy-paste your e-mail in a wiki somewhere. And your wish has come true for other peoples. Ronald. To (perhaps a bit too much) simplify things, if you are using an SSD with FreeeBSD, you: 1) Should use GPT 2) Should create the freebsd-boot partition as normal (to ensure compatibility with some funky BIOSes) 3) All additional partitions should be aligned, meaning that their boundaries should be dividable by 1024kb (that's 2048 "logical blocks" in gpart). Ie, having created your freeebsd-boot, your next partition should start at block 2048 and the partition size should be dividable by 2048 blocks. This applies to ALL further partitions added to the disk, so you WILL end up having some empty space between them, but a few MBs worth of space will be lost at most. P.S: My oversimplification was in that MOST SSDs will be just fine with a 512 kb / 1024 block alignment. However, _ALL_ SSDs will be fine with 1024 kb / 2048 block alignment. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov ___ freebsd...@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
(SOLVED) Re: installing FreeBSD 8 on SSDs and UFS2 - partition alignment, block sizes, what does one need to know?
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Rick Macklem wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Dan Naumov wrote: > >> For my upcoming storage system, the OS install is going to be on a >> 80gb Intel SSD disk and for various reasons, I am now pretty convinced >> to stick with UFS2 for the root partition (the actual data pool will >> be ZFS using traditional SATA disks). I am probably going to use GPT >> partitioning and have the SSD host the swap, boot, root and a few >> other partitions. What do I need to know in regards to partition >> alignment and filesystem block sizes to get the best performance out >> of the Intel SSDs? >> > I can't help with your question, but I thought I'd mention that there > was a recent post (on freebsd-current, I think?) w.r.t. using an SSD > for the ZFS log file. It suggested that that helped with ZFS perf., so > you might want to look for the message. > > rick I have managed to figure out the essential things to know by know, I just wish there was a single, easy to grasp webpage or HOWTO describing and whys and hows so I wouldn't have had had to spend the entire day googling things to get a proper grasp on the issue :) To (perhaps a bit too much) simplify things, if you are using an SSD with FreeeBSD, you: 1) Should use GPT 2) Should create the freebsd-boot partition as normal (to ensure compatibility with some funky BIOSes) 3) All additional partitions should be aligned, meaning that their boundaries should be dividable by 1024kb (that's 2048 "logical blocks" in gpart). Ie, having created your freeebsd-boot, your next partition should start at block 2048 and the partition size should be dividable by 2048 blocks. This applies to ALL further partitions added to the disk, so you WILL end up having some empty space between them, but a few MBs worth of space will be lost at most. P.S: My oversimplification was in that MOST SSDs will be just fine with a 512 kb / 1024 block alignment. However, _ALL_ SSDs will be fine with 1024 kb / 2048 block alignment. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD 8 on an HP Pavilion TX2510US
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Warren Block wrote: For the future, it's often helpful to identify the notebook you're using. And now I see it was in the subject all along... -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD 8 on an HP Pavilion TX2510US
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Ed Lerner wrote: Hello, I have been wanting to put FreeBSD on my laptop for some time now. I backed up all of my files to a separate HD. I burned 8.0-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso to a DVD and installed it on my laptop, removing all partitions so FreeBSD is my sole OS. I also used the FreeBSD boot manager. I have attempted a number of different settings variations and installations. My problem is that FreeBSD seems to install properly, yet I cannot get to a GUI. I have added all ports and specifically checked the GNOME packages. When I attempt to run 'gdm', I get returned: ** (gdm-binary:878): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory You need to start the GNOME services (including dbus): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html Short form: add gnome_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and restart. For the future, it's often helpful to identify the notebook you're using. You might find information on specific models here: http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd 7.1 ( error mounting /dev/acd0 input/outputerror)
[lines broken in quote] 2009/3/31 ajeesh joseph : > hello,I have tried the way how you suggested. But unfortunately iam getting > same error.today > i tried to install by plugging HDD as primary master and cdrom and primary > slave.I tried > to install.During install a new problem of /dev/ad0s1a on /mnt : input/output > error appears,,can > you help me in solving this so that i can install freebsd. So... Your original configuration was hard drive as Primary Master, and CD as Secondary Master. Are you using 80-conductor cables? 80 conductor: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/z_000553idecable80.jpg 40 conductor: http://www.scientific-solutions.biz/products/938605/images/cable_ribbon.jpg The 40 conductor ribbons sometimes throw up problems in strange times and places, an effect I observed when installing FreeBSD on my Xbox. Also, the 80-conductor cables often support CS jumper settings; try setting both jumpers to cable select, and plug the 80-conductor cable in with the labelled ends into the correct drives. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd 7.1 ( error mounting /dev/acd0 input/outputerror)
hello,I have tried the way how you suggested. But unfortunately iam getting same error.today i tried to install by plugging HDD as primary master and cdrom and primary slave.I tried to install.During install a new problem of /dev/ad0s1a on /mnt : input/output error appears,,can you help me in solving this so that i can install freebsd. Original message From:Wojciech Puchar< woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl >Date: 30 Mar 09 20:16:00Subject:Re: installing freebsd 7.1 ( error mounting /dev/acd0 input/outputerror)To: Kevin Kinsey CD/DVD DMA problems are commontryset hw.ata.atapidma=0 bootafter getting to bootloader prompt (6)On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Kevin Kinsey wrote:> ajeesh joseph wrote: >>Hello,I was installing freebsd 7.0/7.1to my Ampro RB700,celeron>> processor,usb hdd 80gb using my CD drive.during the time of installation i>> get error "error mounting /dev/acd0 input/output error" >> could any one tell me how to solve this and how can i install the>> OS..regardsAjeesh> > /dev/a cd0 is your CDROM drive. > > Try using a different CD for starters ... (a > 2nd copy) ... if that doesn't work, it might > be a bad CDROM drive. > > HTH, > > Kevin Kinsey > > If one studies too zealously, one easily loses his pants. > A. Einstein > > > freebsdquesti...@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsdquestions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsdquestionsunsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > freebsdquesti...@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsdquestions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsdquestionsunsubscr...@freebsd.org" Get Yourself a cool, short @in.com Email ID now! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd 7.1 ( error mounting /dev/acd0 input/output error)
CD/DVD DMA problems are common try set hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 boot after getting to bootloader prompt (6) On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Kevin Kinsey wrote: ajeesh joseph wrote: Hello,I was installing freebsd 7.0/7.1to my Ampro RB700,celeron processor,usb hdd 80gb using my CD drive.during the time of installation i get error "error mounting /dev/acd0 input/output error" could any one tell me how to solve this and how can i install the OS..regardsAjeesh /dev/acd0 is your CDROM drive. Try using a different CD for starters ... (a 2nd copy) ... if that doesn't work, it might be a bad CDROM drive. HTH, Kevin Kinsey -- If one studies too zealously, one easily loses his pants. -- A. Einstein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd 7.1 ( error mounting /dev/acd0 input/output error)
ajeesh joseph wrote: Hello,I was installing freebsd 7.0/7.1to my Ampro RB700,celeron processor,usb hdd 80gb using my CD drive.during the time of installation i get error "error mounting /dev/acd0 input/output error" could any one tell me how to solve this and how can i install the OS..regardsAjeesh /dev/acd0 is your CDROM drive. Try using a different CD for starters ... (a 2nd copy) ... if that doesn't work, it might be a bad CDROM drive. HTH, Kevin Kinsey -- If one studies too zealously, one easily loses his pants. -- A. Einstein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Harold Hartley wrote: > I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to > install on windows like ubuntu does. Sorry - I am not quite certain what you mean by this. FreeBSD is an "operating system", just as Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc are different operating systems. If you mean as in a dual-boot configuration it is doable and has been done by users for many years. It is easiest to install Windows first and leave sufficient free space on the rest of the hard drive into which FreeBSD can be installed. As to boot loaders there is a choice to make, but some form of boot loader which presents a menu at boot time will enable one to choose which OS to enter. Much of this requires knowledge a neophyte may not possess. While there is much excellent documentation within the FreeBSD project, it may not be easy stuff for the non-computer geek. However, with study, patience, and some degree of trial and error the knowledge is ultimately attainable. > I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live > in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to > choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a > freebsd choice. While I don't wish to enter the desktop flame war, FreeBSD can make an excellent desktop. There are even a couple of desktop oriented projects which are probably easier for a beginner to get going with. One thing you should probably be aware of though - in spite of the above statement FreeBSD has historically been more server oriented. If you are not a system administrator in a data center running servers there is less impetus for you to choose it as a desktop OS. If you are already utilizing a Linux desktop such as Ubuntu with Gnome or KDE and are satisfied you may only be duplicating your efforts for no real particular advantage. FreeBSD is historically a better "server" operating system. > I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have > to use windows for. Lol! The opposite is true for me. I keep a VirtualBox VM with Windows XP handy in case I need some Windows app temporarily (Office). > I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have > read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to > run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to > be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to > boot into when I want. If you have a sufficiently powerful machine you can use a Virtual Machine such as VMware or VirtualBox where you can install and run other operating systems in a virtual environment. This is opposed to the dual-boot described above, as it enables you to run multiple "Virtual" computers at the same time - no need to reboot. This is also a great way to go if you want to experiment with varieties of different software(s) without trashing your main operating system. These VMs are all available as packages for Ubuntu. > I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a > linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always > learning. > IMHO learning is a good thing. You should know that we are not "FreeBSD", but rather a mailing list of people who use FreeBSD. Communities of aficionados will be quite diverse, but while many in a hardcore Unix group will be sympathetic to a point many others will not. YMMV I noticed quite a few years ago a striking difference between the Microsoftian Windows world and Unix. Many in the Windows world pop a disk in a machine and click "OK" in a dialog box a few dozen times and consider themselves instant "Computer Knowledgeable". I work in both environments and one thing attracting me more to the Unix world was the fact that many more Unix workers were college graduates with Computer Science degrees. It is very easy for such highly educated individuals to look down upon those from the Windows universe. One group knows what the other is missing, in spite of the fact the other may not. Couple that with geeky personalities in general and it can be abrasive at times. Such highly educated people typically can seem somewhat intolerant towards those who haven't yet acquired a certain ground floor skill level. Many others are more welcoming when they perceive someone who truly wants to learn. again: YMMV! Don't let it discourage you from learning. Learning new stuff constantly is a good thing, and if you don't push a little into uncharted territory you'll stagnate, and that's just not interesting. Just my $.02:-) -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Heller-Johnson syndrome (Re: installing freebsd on windows)
> Heller's Law: The first myth of management is that it exists. > > Johnson's Corollary: Nobody really knows what is going on anywhere > within the organization. Author unknown: If someone *does* know what is going on in the organization, that person must be fired. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Jerry wrote: > If the connection is down, I am probably NOT using the PC. Hell, > if the power is out for more than 30 minutes, my UPS is dead so > I am most definitely not using the machine. So you never experience connectivity problems for any reason other than a local power failure? Astonishing! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Wojciech Puchar wrote: got completely off topic. please get that discussion off the list FreeBSD is not windows program, but standalone OS. Possibly it can be run under windows and some kind of VM but it should be discussed on windows support list etc. ___ I'm sorry that I even brought up the windows and freebsd questions if it was going to bring out such nonsense answers or atitudes from some. I was always told that to learn about something is to ask the question no matter how silly it may be. Harold ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
got completely off topic. please get that discussion off the list FreeBSD is not windows program, but standalone OS. Possibly it can be run under windows and some kind of VM but it should be discussed on windows support list etc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:49:48 + Frank Shute wrote: >> Virtual desktops. What are you referring to? Visit the power toys URL >> for further information. >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx > >Thanks for that. Did they use to be called PowerTools? I downloaded >them a few years ago but it didn't come with virtual desktops. I don't remember. Maybe. They have had virtual desktops for years though. >> >Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the >> >info locally? >> >> Not necessarily. Many people don't want to clutter up their system >> with documentation that they will never use. I certainly don't. If I >> actually need an obscure bit of information, I can always obtain it. >And when your 'net connection is down, then you can obtain it? >I maintain the Handbook locally. It's no effort and can save my bacon >for whenever I don't have 'net access. If the connection is down, I am probably NOT using the PC. Hell, if the power is out for more than 30 minutes, my UPS is dead so I am most definitely not using the machine. >> >I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install >> >cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and >> >undocumented. >> In your opinion. I never have a problem finding what I am looking >> for. >> >You can read the source can you? I can't. >> If you are referring to the source code; well that is obvious. If >> something else, then what? People get paid to develop the software. >> If they gave it away, they would not make a living, the unemployment >> lines would swell, and crime would increase. Now, if you don't >> believe in a capitalistic system of free enterprise, please come >> over and paint my house this weekend. I promise not to insult you by >> offering to pay you. >You've fallen hook, line & sinker for the broken windows fallacy. >I support free software with a subscription to TUG. It's not my job to >keep software developers in employment though. I am strong believer in the free enterprise system. It is certainly not your responsibility to keep anyone employed. Use whatever you want. >> >Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be >> >scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what >> >you're looking for at all. >> >> Yes, it is fragmented. The simple fact that there is so much >> information is the cause, not the problem. > >It maybe the cause but it's also a problem. There should be one page >on microsoft.com for each of their OSes where one can start looking >for info. Are you joking? There all ready is. There is a home page for each of their major products. From there you can pretty much wander anywhere you want. I find it beyond belief that you cannot find one. >For instance, I did a search for "cmd.exe commands" on Google and it >didn't return a useful page from microsoft.com on the first page. >That's weak. What's even weaker is that cmd.exe isn't described in any >of the local documentation on Vista/XP. 1) That is a Google limitation. On WinXP 2) type: cmd.exe into the search box Honestly, have you actually tried? Honestly, that is pretty pathetic. >> Did you actually install the 'Power Shell?' I assume that is what you >> are talking about. Read the 'Getting Started" pages. I just installed >> it and there is a wealth of information there. Certainly enough to >> get started with. > >I was talking about cmd.exe. That's the shell on Windows isn't it? I don't know. It is your system, you tell me. >I thought Powershell shipped with my version of Vista (business) but I >guess I was wrong. You are incorrect. At least it did not ship with the original version of Vista. That, like everything else, is subject to change. >> BTW, many people consider 'man' to be an acronym for "Much About >> Nothing". Therein lies the reason that O'Reilly has make a fortune >> distributing 'How-To' books. > >I own a shelf full of O'Reilly books. If I get my softs for free, I >don't mind paying for extra documentation. I have a whole wall in my office filled with mostly O'Reilly books dealing with everything from Postfix, Sendmail, etc. to common tasks like Regular Expressions, Sed & Awk, ad-infinitum. Contrary to you statement, the 'man' for most products, commands, etc. is usually quite weak. Hence the acronym I previously described. At best it only touches the surface. There are a few exceptions, but they are few and far between. >When I pay for software, I expect it to be thoroughly documented (à la >AutoCAD with a big thick manual). IBM did a study approximately 10 years ago regarding software documentation included with the software. They found what most users all ready knew; most end users NEVER read the documentation. They either use on-line help or telephone support. IBM, Microsoft and most other major software publishers saved millions by discarding what the end user was all ready discarding; i.e. the MANUAL. Nort
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 08:39:32AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:45:33 + > Frank Shute wrote: > > >On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 + > >> Frank Shute wrote: > >> > >> >On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a > >> >> >couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop > >> >> >and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the > >> >> >developers have done an excellent job > >> >> > >> >> of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. > > A system can never be over powered. > > >> >No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got > >> >things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and > >> >purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. > >> > >> Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google > >> for the information. > > > >Four of what? > > Virtual desktops. What are you referring to? Visit the power toys URL > for further information. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx Thanks for that. Did they use to be called PowerTools? I downloaded them a few years ago but it didn't come with virtual desktops. > > >Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the > >info locally? > > Not necessarily. Many people don't want to clutter up their system with > documentation that they will never use. I certainly don't. If I > actually need an obscure bit of information, I can always obtain it. And when your 'net connection is down, then you can obtain it? I maintain the Handbook locally. It's no effort and can save my bacon for whenever I don't have 'net access. > > >I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install > >cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and > >undocumented. > > In your opinion. I never have a problem finding what I am looking for. > > >> MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. > > > >Are you being sarcastic? > > > >Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs? > > Are you being sarcastic? No. > > >You can read the source can you? I can't. > > If you are referring to the source code; well that is obvious. If > something else, then what? People get paid to develop the software. If > they gave it away, they would not make a living, the unemployment lines > would swell, and crime would increase. Now, if you don't believe in a > capitalistic system of free enterprise, please come over and paint my > house this weekend. I promise not to insult you by offering to pay you. You've fallen hook, line & sinker for the broken windows fallacy. I support free software with a subscription to TUG. It's not my job to keep software developers in employment though. > > >Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be > >scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're > >looking for at all. > > Yes, it is fragmented. The simple fact that there is so much information > is the cause, not the problem. It maybe the cause but it's also a problem. There should be one page on microsoft.com for each of their OSes where one can start looking for info. For instance, I did a search for "cmd.exe commands" on Google and it didn't return a useful page from microsoft.com on the first page. That's weak. What's even weaker is that cmd.exe isn't described in any of the local documentation on Vista/XP. > > >> What is it you are looking for? > > > >Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are > >some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they > >are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a > >limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the > >Vista Explorer replacement. > > > >Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some > >documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the > >commands it supports. It doesn't. > > Did you actually install the 'Power Shell?' I assume that is what you > are talking about. Read the 'Getting Started" pages. I just installed > it and there is a wealth of information there. Certainly enough to get > started with. I was talking about cmd.exe. That's the shell on Windows isn't it? I thought Powershell shipped with my version of Vista (business) but I guess I was wrong. > > BTW, many people consider 'man' to be an acronym for "Much About > Nothing". Therein lies the reason that O'Reilly has make a fortune > distributing 'How-To' books. I own a shelf full of O'Reilly books. If I get my softs for free, I don't mind paying for extra documentation. When I pay for software, I expect it to be thoroughly documented (à la AutoCAD with a big thick manual). > > >I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:45:33 + Frank Shute wrote: >On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote: >> >> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 + >> Frank Shute wrote: >> >> >On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> >> >> >It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a >> >> >couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop >> >> >and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the >> >> >developers have done an excellent job >> >> >> >> of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. A system can never be over powered. >> >No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got >> >things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and >> >purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. >> >> Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google >> for the information. > >Four of what? Virtual desktops. What are you referring to? Visit the power toys URL for further information. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx >Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the >info locally? Not necessarily. Many people don't want to clutter up their system with documentation that they will never use. I certainly don't. If I actually need an obscure bit of information, I can always obtain it. >I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install >cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and >undocumented. In your opinion. I never have a problem finding what I am looking for. >> MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. > >Are you being sarcastic? > >Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs? Are you being sarcastic? >You can read the source can you? I can't. If you are referring to the source code; well that is obvious. If something else, then what? People get paid to develop the software. If they gave it away, they would not make a living, the unemployment lines would swell, and crime would increase. Now, if you don't believe in a capitalistic system of free enterprise, please come over and paint my house this weekend. I promise not to insult you by offering to pay you. >Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be >scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're >looking for at all. Yes, it is fragmented. The simple fact that there is so much information is the cause, not the problem. >> What is it you are looking for? > >Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are >some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they >are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a >limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the >Vista Explorer replacement. > >Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some >documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the >commands it supports. It doesn't. Did you actually install the 'Power Shell?' I assume that is what you are talking about. Read the 'Getting Started" pages. I just installed it and there is a wealth of information there. Certainly enough to get started with. BTW, many people consider 'man' to be an acronym for "Much About Nothing". Therein lies the reason that O'Reilly has make a fortune distributing 'How-To' books. >I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use >to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a >bonus too. Wrong, you are looking for a specific OS that is tailored to your very specific specification. Everyone does not (thank GOD) have the same criteria. If it suits you, then great. If not, find one that does. Bitching like an old wash woman accomplishes nothing. >Extensive documentation on the machine is a must. Then install it. Everyone does not want massive amounts of useless clutter. >I've searched on google for documentation on the powershell to no >avail. All the docs as such seem to be available if you are a member >of MSDN - I presume so anyway, but for the general public they don't >seem to be readily available. Obviously, you have not installed the shell. Besides the info included with the program, you might want to check out the following URL. It should answer most of your immediate questions. I also question you 'search' ability. I don't seem to be having any problem finding gratuitous amounts of documentation. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926139 >In short, I gave Vista a decent shot (I quite like XP) but it was like >wading through treacle and I thought that if I am to get the best out >of it, I'm probably going to have to sign up for MSDN and download >vast amounts of "missing" software and spend inordinate amounts of >time on google. Yes, it is commonly referred to as a 'learning curve' Personally, anyone who cannot handle a Win32 machine has serous problems. Six yea
Re: installing freebsd on windows
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Re: installing freebsd on windows
Tim Judd wrote: I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a bonus too. I see the sense in C:\Users I see the sense in C:\Documents and Settings I see the sense in C:\WINDOWS I see the sense in using CMD.exe -- after all, the dos box has been around forever Not trying to start, continue, or add fuel to a flamewar or whatever, but you can expand on how you can make sense of C:\Users and C:\Documents and Settings existing at the same time? Shouldn't Users(the equiv of /home basically) contain therein all Documents and Settings. My idea would be to put settings in logically named hidden files preceded by a '.' ;) The new windows method is as irksome and confusing as the old method. Also FYI, there is no comparison between ping /? and man ping. Man pages offer a completely different level of insight into a command, and it is exponentially more efficient than any windows method to date. Finally trying to run your computer without documentation is like trying to run your car with an owners manual. Ever try to find the fuel cutoff switch on a 1987 Ford EXP? Trust me, it goes a lot faster with the manual and that's why such things are standard--consumers expect it. Also please note I do firmly believe there is a place in this world for windows. That some people would expect a single mother working as a nurse to come home take care of the kids, and be able to make flash 9 work so she can partake in other common activities on the internet, or resolve dependency issues(on the computer) seems more than a bit asinine to me. However the place for windows is not on my desktop except for work which mainly serves as a repository for putty sessions. Even that limited use will hopefully come to an end soon. -- Adam Vandemore Systems Administrator IMED Mobility (605) 498-1610 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:09:52AM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Frank Shute wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 + > > > Frank Shute wrote: > > > > > > >On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple > > > >> >of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I > > > >> >love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the > > > >> >developers have done an excellent job > > > >> > > > >> of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. > > > > > > > >No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got > > > >things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and > > > >purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. > > > > > > Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google for > > > the information. > > > > Four of what? > > > > Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the > > info locally? > > > Want to download the Internet? Ok, as soon as 5 minutes pass from the > download, your copy is old. So you're trying to say that all local documentation is useless because it's out of date after 5 minutes? Sit back and work out why your statement is retarded. > > > > I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install > > cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and > > undocumented. > > > > > MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. > > > > I can see that perception. That's right it's a perception - a wrong one. > Depends on where you look though. Limiting > yourself to one source (google) or another (MSDN) isn't wise, because google > will give you real-world experience and help, whereas MSDN is documented as > it SHOULD operate and RECOMMENDED practices. MSDN cost money last time I looked. > > > > Are you being sarcastic? > > > > I'm not. I didn't ask you. > > > > Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs? > > > > Write one, publish it. You're being bloody silly now. > > > > You can read the source can you? I can't. > > > > Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be > > scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're > > looking for at all. > > > > Because not a single admin works the same as the next. People with Windows > mindset will work in one way, people with Linux mindset will work another, > and people with OS X mindset will work in a 3rd way, all unique.so There's one recommended and widely respected way of working with anything vaguely technical: read & grok it's documentation. > > > > > What is it you are looking for? > > > > Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are > > some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they > > are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a > > limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the > > Vista Explorer replacement. > > > > Useless insults aside, there is a difference in the help systems for the > desktop systems, versus the server systems. 2008 is a good mix, although > it's not unix. So you're saying you get decent docs with 2008 and not with the desktop systems? If not what exactly are you trying to say? > > OS X 10.5, Leopard is certified unix, and still doesn't feel as natural (or > useful) as BSD or Linux does. If you want to know why, let me know. I don't want to know and with all due respect if I wanted to know I wouldn't ask you. > > > > Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some > > documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the > > commands it supports. It doesn't. > > > > manpages aren't an Internet thing. It's not an RFC standard. No shit, Sherlock. Did I say that manpages are an "Internet thing"? > > MS Windows has command line help, you use /? that works for most apps. > > cmd /? So I want to know how the file manager on Vista works. Since I don't even know what it's called, how does your nugget of information help me? > > > > I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use > > to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a > > bonus too. > > > > I see the sense in C:\Users > I see the sense in C:\Documents and Settings > I see the sense in C:\WINDOWS Tell me where the hosts file is? And then tell me how much sense that makes. > I see the sense in using CMD.exe -- after all, the dos box has been around > forever and it wasn't called cmd.exe then. Fail. > > An editor better than Notepad? MS Write. And then MS Office/Word, then > OpenOffice. Somewhere there's Abiwrite. Of all these 5, only one is > commercial software. Those are wordprocessors not editors. None ship with the OS. Fail. > > >
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Frank Shute wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > > > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 + > > Frank Shute wrote: > > > > >On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >> > > >> >It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple > > >> >of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I > > >> >love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the > > >> >developers have done an excellent job > > >> > > >> of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. > > > > > >No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got > > >things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and > > >purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. > > > > Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google for > > the information. > > Four of what? > > Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the > info locally? Want to download the Internet? Ok, as soon as 5 minutes pass from the download, your copy is old. > I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install > cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and > undocumented. > > > MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. > I can see that perception. Depends on where you look though. Limiting yourself to one source (google) or another (MSDN) isn't wise, because google will give you real-world experience and help, whereas MSDN is documented as it SHOULD operate and RECOMMENDED practices. > Are you being sarcastic? > I'm not. > Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs? > Write one, publish it. > You can read the source can you? I can't. > > Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be > scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're > looking for at all. > Because not a single admin works the same as the next. People with Windows mindset will work in one way, people with Linux mindset will work another, and people with OS X mindset will work in a 3rd way, all unique.so > > What is it you are looking for? > > Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are > some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they > are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a > limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the > Vista Explorer replacement. > Useless insults aside, there is a difference in the help systems for the desktop systems, versus the server systems. 2008 is a good mix, although it's not unix. OS X 10.5, Leopard is certified unix, and still doesn't feel as natural (or useful) as BSD or Linux does. If you want to know why, let me know. > Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some > documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the > commands it supports. It doesn't. > manpages aren't an Internet thing. It's not an RFC standard. MS Windows has command line help, you use /? that works for most apps. cmd /? > I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use > to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a > bonus too. > I see the sense in C:\Users I see the sense in C:\Documents and Settings I see the sense in C:\WINDOWS I see the sense in using CMD.exe -- after all, the dos box has been around forever An editor better than Notepad? MS Write. And then MS Office/Word, then OpenOffice. Somewhere there's Abiwrite. Of all these 5, only one is commercial software. > Extensive documentation on the machine is a must. > Nope. That's a personal belief, one that isn't a "must". You're imagining things on that. > I've searched on google for documentation on the powershell to no > avail. All the docs as such seem to be available if you are a member > of MSDN - I presume so anyway, but for the general public they don't > seem to be readily available. > PowerShell is still "new".. If you want documentation, MS Press makes a windows 2008 resource kit including a book called 'Windows PowerShell Scripting Guide' that's over 600 pages. Not all resources have to be google-able. Spend a few bucks and buy something that'll help you... it'll benefit you too. > In short, I gave Vista a decent shot (I quite like XP) but it was like > wading through treacle and I thought that if I am to get the best out > of it, I'm probably going to have to sign up for MSDN and download > vast amounts of "missing" software and spend inordinate amounts of > time on google. > Books. Or get something like a Safari Books Online subscription and then start reading the info online... same books, online. Save a tree. > The cost and time benefits didn't seem worth it since I'm quite happy > with FreeBSD and there's only one Windows only application that I use: > AutoCAD; for that I maintain an XP installation
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 + > Frank Shute wrote: > > >On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >> >It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple > >> >of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I > >> >love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the > >> >developers have done an excellent job > >> > >> of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. > > > >No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got > >things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and > >purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. > > Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google for > the information. Four of what? Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the info locally? I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and undocumented. > MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. Are you being sarcastic? Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs? You can read the source can you? I can't. Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're looking for at all. > What is it you are looking for? Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the Vista Explorer replacement. Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the commands it supports. It doesn't. I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a bonus too. Extensive documentation on the machine is a must. I've searched on google for documentation on the powershell to no avail. All the docs as such seem to be available if you are a member of MSDN - I presume so anyway, but for the general public they don't seem to be readily available. In short, I gave Vista a decent shot (I quite like XP) but it was like wading through treacle and I thought that if I am to get the best out of it, I'm probably going to have to sign up for MSDN and download vast amounts of "missing" software and spend inordinate amounts of time on google. The cost and time benefits didn't seem worth it since I'm quite happy with FreeBSD and there's only one Windows only application that I use: AutoCAD; for that I maintain an XP installation. Staying on topic, my advice to the original poster is to dump Windows and use FreeBSD - it's better documented and you can either use WINE to run your "must have" Windows programs or have a separate Windows partition. With a bit of luck your Windows "must haves" will eventually have unix replacements. > -- > Jerry > ges...@yahoo.com > > A bore is a man who talks so much about > himself that you can't talk about yourself. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 + Frank Shute wrote: >On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> >It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple >> >of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I >> >love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the >> >developers have done an excellent job >> >> of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. > >No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got >things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and >purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google for the information. MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. What is it you are looking for? -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com A bore is a man who talks so much about himself that you can't talk about yourself. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of > >months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On > >reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an > >excellent job > > of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. > > Just i don't understand the idea of wasting the power of good hardware > just to waste. IMO, making the user experience a little less daunting is a good use of hardware. Saying that, I've introduced my nephew (age 14) to FreeBSD proper. He made good progress and managed to build himself a PC (with some brief written instructions from me) and to install but came unstuck on an unsupported video card and lack of a decent 'net connection. But I'll fix him up when I go out to Oz later this year by which time he should have broadband. I wanted him to have a sound understanding of the fundamentals and how everything fits together. I don't think PC-BSD would have done that. But a copy of FreeBSD 7.0 (downloaded at school), a book on vim and a book on ksh should give him a good start to computing nirvana ;) Sorry if I've strayed off-topic. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an excellent job of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. Just i don't understand the idea of wasting the power of good hardware just to waste. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Wojciech Puchar wrote: PC-BSD===>http://www.pcbsd.org/ DesktopBSD===>http://www.desktopbsd.net/ And PC-BSD even provides an installer (PBI) that makes "Windows" users feel at home: Download something from the web manually, then click "next, next, next, finish" and have an application installed. :-) even more - it's even as slow and messy as windows. no idea about stability - possibly it's better. personally - i've tried once PC-BSD, removed it one hour after installing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an excellent job and it's really come of age recently. I now spend almost zero time maintaining and tweaking my computer (apart from from some laptop acpi teething troubles). I used to keep Windows XP handy for a diminishing number of things, now it is truly redundant. It's personal choice not a hard and fast rule. Everyone has different circumstances. If I was using old hardware, as I think you do, I would probably think differently but on this 2GHz 1GB ram machine it's great, and I still have FreeBSD underneath to play with if I want. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:12:39PM -0400, Harold Hartley wrote: I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to install on windows like ubuntu does. I don't know what Ubuntu does. But, you can install FreeBSD on a machine that also runs MS-Win. The traditional way is to 'dual-boot' the machine. But, you can also install some virtual machine software and run both under that. its worth noting that you can install freebsd to the same HD as windows under vmware on windows. its not very complicated. also worth noting is that the proper version of XP will run under vmware/native with only a hardware profile. effectively you can run windows from freebsd, and vice versa. and yes, the vmware version 3 on freebsd. You can also install wine and run MS-Win stuff on FreeBSD. There are some limits to that I think, but people do it. I run a dual (or triple) boot. It is documented in the handbook and works just fine. I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a freebsd choice. I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have to use windows for. Basically, that is what I do. Mostly I boot FreeBSD and use it for my desktop. But, sometimes I need to use Photoshop which I have on the MS-Win side and printing labels seems to work better with Word than Openoffice, so I boot MS-Win for those. jerry I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to boot into when I want. I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always learning. Thanks Harold Hartley 158 Russell Street Lewiston, Maine 04240 wheelie...@gwi.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Vasadi I. Claudiu Florin wrote: > No affence here but if you want to just click, click, next, finish, stick to > mtfk ubuntu we dnt need u No offence. But please read before sending the email. -- Twenty Percent of Zero is Better than Nothing. -- Walt Kelly ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 08:22:31PM +0530, Mehul Ved wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > I don't know what Ubuntu does. > > What ubuntu does is > 1) Install ubuntu as a windows program > 2) Run the ubuntu installer as any other win32 installer > 3) Ubuntu is installed on a clean NTFS partition > 4) Use windows bootloader > So, you install and uninstall ubuntu from within windows. But, to > switch between windows and ubuntu you have to reboot. > This is what I have gathered from other people. I haven't used it > myself. Probably the wubi[1] page would have more information on this. > > 1. http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php#internals Thanks for the explanation. I would rather have FreeBSD installed on a good UFS2 slice than an NTFS partition. I would much rather have it cleanly separate from MS-Win - not even booting it.I don't want my FreeBSD system dragged down by MS baggage. jerry > > -- > > Twenty Percent of Zero is Better than Nothing. -- Walt Kelly ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote: > I don't know what Ubuntu does. What ubuntu does is 1) Install ubuntu as a windows program 2) Run the ubuntu installer as any other win32 installer 3) Ubuntu is installed on a clean NTFS partition 4) Use windows bootloader So, you install and uninstall ubuntu from within windows. But, to switch between windows and ubuntu you have to reboot. This is what I have gathered from other people. I haven't used it myself. Probably the wubi[1] page would have more information on this. 1. http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php#internals -- Twenty Percent of Zero is Better than Nothing. -- Walt Kelly ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:12:39PM -0400, Harold Hartley wrote: > I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to > install on windows like ubuntu does. I don't know what Ubuntu does. But, you can install FreeBSD on a machine that also runs MS-Win. The traditional way is to 'dual-boot' the machine. But, you can also install some virtual machine software and run both under that. You can also install wine and run MS-Win stuff on FreeBSD. There are some limits to that I think, but people do it. I run a dual (or triple) boot. It is documented in the handbook and works just fine. > I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live > in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to > choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a > freebsd choice. > > I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have > to use windows for. Basically, that is what I do. Mostly I boot FreeBSD and use it for my desktop. But, sometimes I need to use Photoshop which I have on the MS-Win side and printing labels seems to work better with Word than Openoffice, so I boot MS-Win for those. jerry > > I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have > read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to > run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to > be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to > boot into when I want. > > I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a > linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always > learning. > > Thanks > Harold Hartley > 158 Russell Street > Lewiston, Maine 04240 > wheelie...@gwi.net > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:12:39 -0400 Harold Hartley wrote: >I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd >to install on windows like ubuntu does. > >I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I >live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer >to choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and >maybe a freebsd choice. > >I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have >to use windows for. > >I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have >read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able >to > run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love > to >be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to >boot into when I want. > >I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not >a linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always >learning. If you are interested in using a virtual machine, these two URLs might prove useful. http://www.microsoft.com/virtualization/default.mspx?WT.mc_id=13E48F94-882A-43DB-9ED5-BBC184D75FC7&WT.srch=1&mode=1&CR_ID=-1&CR_TC=9OSUHTJXBB2LNZC http://vpc.visualwin.com/index.aspx FreeBSD is fully supported according to the documentation. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com Systems programmers are the high priests of a low cult. R. S. Barton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: installing freebsd on windows
PC-BSD ===> http://www.pcbsd.org/ DesktopBSD ===> http://www.desktopbsd.net/ And PC-BSD even provides an installer (PBI) that makes "Windows" users feel at home: Download something from the web manually, then click "next, next, next, finish" and have an application installed. :-) even more - it's even as slow and messy as windows. no idea about stability - possibly it's better. personally - i've tried once PC-BSD, removed it one hour after installing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Or does freebsd offer a choice to install without messing anything up. It's a professional operating system, of course it does. :-) (FreeBSD exactly does what you tell it to do, nothing more and nothing less.) maybe that's why it's told to be so difficult for most people ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
install on windows like ubuntu does. FreeBSD is separate independent OS. it simply doesn't make sense. I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to choose what I what a problem to create partition for FreeBSD? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Bruce Anthony Grobler wrote: > As long as you have enough ram ( I'd say at least a gig) try VMware Server > 1.1/2.0. I have production machines (including two freebsd 7.1 vm's) running > on a VMware Server 2.0 working very well with the host having 3 gigs of ram, I do have 1.5GB of RAM. Will consider trying it on VMWare or maybe if I can get less lazy, nothing like installing it on hard disk. -- Am I SHOPLIFTING? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Ruben de Groot wrote: > What worked for me was enabling VT-x/AMD-V in Virtualbox. No more panics > since. If I am correct, that requires hardware with virtualisation support. That's not the case with my old P4. -- Am I SHOPLIFTING? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:30:31AM +0530, Mehul Ved typed: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > For testing purposes I've used Suns VirtualBox under Windows, it runs under > > Linux as well. (Free)BSD installs well and it can give you a first > > impression on how it works. There are some settings that you must keep in > > mind, disk size can't be dynamic. You can use the VirtualBox forums for more > > information. > > /Leslie > > VirtualBox is really great for no-hassles virtualisation for newbies. > I rely on it too. But, I haven't had a good experience with FreeBSD > 7.0 on VirtualBox, too many kernel panics. And it's not just me there > are lots of people who have had the same problem with no evident > solution. > I am not discouraging this solution but informing of a problem that I > have faced. If there's a work around for that, I'd be happy to try it > myself. What worked for me was enabling VT-x/AMD-V in Virtualbox. No more panics since. Ruben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote: > For testing purposes I've used Suns VirtualBox under Windows, it runs under > Linux as well. (Free)BSD installs well and it can give you a first > impression on how it works. There are some settings that you must keep in > mind, disk size can't be dynamic. You can use the VirtualBox forums for more > information. > /Leslie VirtualBox is really great for no-hassles virtualisation for newbies. I rely on it too. But, I haven't had a good experience with FreeBSD 7.0 on VirtualBox, too many kernel panics. And it's not just me there are lots of people who have had the same problem with no evident solution. I am not discouraging this solution but informing of a problem that I have faced. If there's a work around for that, I'd be happy to try it myself. -- Am I SHOPLIFTING? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Harold Hartley skrev: I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to install on windows like ubuntu does. I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a freebsd choice. I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have to use windows for. I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to boot into when I want. I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always learning. Thanks Harold Hartley 158 Russell Street Lewiston, Maine 04240 wheelie...@gwi.net For testing purposes I've used Suns VirtualBox under Windows, it runs under Linux as well. (Free)BSD installs well and it can give you a first impression on how it works. There are some settings that you must keep in mind, disk size can't be dynamic. You can use the VirtualBox forums for more information. /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:30:58 -0400, Harold Hartley wrote: > Some may be running windows and may want to try freebsd and doesn't want > to rid windows. > But if something could be done to make it easy enough for those that > doesn't know how to install freebsd or something of that sort. I think the FreeBSD documentation makes it easy enough. :-) NBo, honestly: It's so easy, simply put in the CD and follow the instructions on the screen. There's no black magic involved. > I know how to install linux to a drive without other OS's on it and I > know how to use the command line to install or setup other apps like > flash or java and other apps that need other commands. > > But I'm sure others are not familiar with using the command line and > such for installing a OS. But then, FreeBSD surely isn't for them. For those users, PC-BSD and DesktopBSD are much better ways to go. They do still have a functional FreeBSD OS, but the installer is with nice graphics and guides them through a "next, next, next, next, next, reboot" procedure as they know it from "Windows". If you want to have a look at it, these are the homepages: PC-BSD ===>http://www.pcbsd.org/ DesktopBSD ===>http://www.desktopbsd.net/ And PC-BSD even provides an installer (PBI) that makes "Windows" users feel at home: Download something from the web manually, then click "next, next, next, finish" and have an application installed. :-) > I really am interested in freebsd, but I don't want to mess up my OS's > on my drive either. You don't need to be frightened of that. In order to wipe off something you still need, you will have to be VERY stupid. :-) FreeBSD provides means that warn you if you're accidentally doing something wrong. But please keep in mind that FreeBSD relies on the circumstance that IF you instruct it to do something, you're SURE that you want to do so. Everything you need is some free space on the disk. Anything else keeps unmodified. > My main interest is wanting to learn how to develop code on linux and/or > freebsd. Then you won't encounter any problems. As a Linux user, you're already equipped with basic UNIX knowledge that will help you to understand FreeBSD. > If I had a second drive on my computer, could I install freebsd on the > 2nd drive and still select it from the boot list Of course. As I mentioned, your boot manager will have to know about the new OS, either by you (putting the correct information into it) or by itself (autodetection of a second hard disk with a valid boot block). > Maybe I should take this to the other topic of the mailing list. > I noticed you CC to the freebsd-questions list. Is that the list I need > to continue my questions on. Yes. I think it's okay to CC the list because our conversation may be helpful to others. I'm not intending something evil. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Harold Hartley wrote: > I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to > install on windows like ubuntu does. > > In www.microsoft.com , search Virtual PC in Search Microsoft.com . There will be a result among many others : http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/97a74f0e-798d-45ff-b9bf-7feed68c40e51033.mspx Virtual PC is free of charge . If you can install Virtual PC ( any of them suitable to your hardware and Windows version ) you may try to use FreeBSD . Personally I did not try it . Good luck to you . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:59:40 -0400, Harold Hartley wrote: > Ubuntu uses "wubi > installer" like an application and can be uninstalled if anyone didn't > like it. And it sets it up at the boot up time a list to choose from. > > That is about what I was talking about. Okay, I do understand. I haven't used any MICROS~1 products yet, and I've installed Ubuntu just from its CD or DVD for testing purposes, but I'm not a Linux user, so I definitely don't have much experience in this sector. > I'm not sure how they did that using the "wubi installer" But if freebsd > could do something like that, it would be great. Hmmm... I may still ask: What should it be good for, exactly? Those who want to use FreeBSD usually install it by one of the standard means. They usually don't have "Windows" or do already want to use a two-or-more-OS system, but they don't run the installer from within "Windows". (Side note: I think there's already a tool that lets you install FreeBSD from within Linux, useful if you want to replace an already pre-loaded OS on a server where you don't have physical access to simply put in the FreeBSD installation CD.) Those who want to try FreeBSD don't install it, they run it from a live system CD (e. g. FreeSBIE) or use it in an emulator (and install it there). Furthermore, there's VirtualBSD: http://www.virtualbsd.info/ for maximum "Windows" compatibility. :-) > But will it over write the bootup list or the windows or ubuntu > software. No. At installation time, you can instruct it to leave the boot area of your hard disk untouched. The only thing you may need is to put a setting into the boot manager you're using at the moment to boot between Ubuntu and "Windows" so it can also boot into FreeBSD. Maybe your boot manager automatically detects the new OS and adds a choice by itself. You can, however, use FreeBSD's boot manager to make the boot selection at system startup. Everything you need is some disk space on your hard disk (not occupied by any slice, "partition" how it's called by "Windows"). The installer allows you to delete anything existing (what you don't need anymore) and create a slice to install FreeBSD in. You can also install it on another (physical) hard disk. > Or does freebsd offer a choice to install without messing > anything up. It's a professional operating system, of course it does. :-) (FreeBSD exactly does what you tell it to do, nothing more and nothing less.) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:12:39 -0400, Harold Hartley wrote: > I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to > install on windows like ubuntu does. I'm not sure I do understand "install FreeBSD on 'Windows'" - what does "on" refer to? a) Start an installer from within "Windows" that installs FreeBSD on the system b) Run FreeBSD within "Windows" by means of an emulator c) Run FreeBSD as an application in Windows In DOS times, there was a tool that booted Linux from within DOS. Because things are more complicated in "Windows", I don't think such a tool does exist - it would have to kick "Windows" out of memory, and we know that it doesn't like that. :-) But it's still possible to use FreeBSD without leaving "Windows". You need an emulator. I don't know how they are called in "Windows", but they do exist in FreeBSD as well, for example qemu. In "Windows", there's "VMWare" that you can buy. Using such a means of emulation, you can install FreeBSD on a "virtual PC" and then use it as it would run on "bare metal". > I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live > in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to > choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a > freebsd choice. Then you would need to install FreeBSD on this box. This is easily be done by downloading the proper ISO from the FTP server or FreeBSD's web page. See the excellent documentation in the handbook (on the web page, too) to learn how this is done. > I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have > read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to > run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to > be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to > boot into when I want. There's no need to think so complicated. You start the computer using the bootable CD or DVD, then install the OS (just as you installed Ubuntu) and then instruct your boot manager to add a new entry for FreeBSD. That's all. I hope I'm not saying anything incorrect, but to answer your main question: No, it's not possible to install FreeBSD in "Windows". What you want to achieve has nothing to do with "Windows", just ignore it. > I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a > linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always > learning. FreeBSD's documentation (the handbook and the FAQ, to be found on FreeBSD's web site) will help you to do so. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on multy hosts
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:53:12 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > why don't simply use unix tools. for same-sized harddrives simply use dd Or dump / restore, as described in the handbook. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on multy hosts
Another idea is to make one installation and make an image of it. With clonezilla it will be able to use pxe to install it on many hosts. http://clonezilla.org/ After you install your image, you must, how Wojciech Puchar told you, change ip (or you use dhcp), hostname and other stuff like this. I've not tested clonezilla, but at work i use acronis trueimage to install windows on clients. why don't simply use unix tools. for same-sized harddrives simply use dd ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on multy hosts
Proskurin Kirill wrote: Hello all. I search some guides - how to install FreeBSD on 10+ hosts at once. As I understand right - it is some thing about PXE and some install.cfg. Another idea is to make one installation and make an image of it. With clonezilla it will be able to use pxe to install it on many hosts. http://clonezilla.org/ After you install your image, you must, how Wojciech Puchar told you, change ip (or you use dhcp), hostname and other stuff like this. I've not tested clonezilla, but at work i use acronis trueimage to install windows on clients. Greeting ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on multy hosts
Well - and if need just to power on server and say it to boot at PXE and go away for 30 min. And then I came back - I have a typical preconfigured server. I need full automatisation. so make simple PXE bootable system and write script to make disklabels, do newfs, install (copy/untar) your system, fix rc.conf and make disk bootable ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on multy hosts
Wojciech Puchar пишет: Hello all. I search some guides - how to install FreeBSD on 10+ hosts at once. As I understand right - it is some thing about PXE and some install.cfg. forgot - you have to of course make disklabel, newfs and make disk bootable (bsdlabel -B disk) Well - and if need just to power on server and say it to boot at PXE and go away for 30 min. And then I came back - I have a typical preconfigured server. I need full automatisation. -- Best regards, Proskurin Kirill ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on multy hosts
Hello all. I search some guides - how to install FreeBSD on 10+ hosts at once. As I understand right - it is some thing about PXE and some install.cfg. forgot - you have to of course make disklabel, newfs and make disk bootable (bsdlabel -B disk) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD on multy hosts
I search some guides - how to install FreeBSD on 10+ hosts at once. As I understand right - it is some thing about PXE and some install.cfg. no. just make PXE able to boot ANY FreeBSD install (single user is enough, or boot from CD/DVD) and then copy all files from one host to another. then just change configs (like hostname and IP in your rc.conf) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD 7.1 on a Dell Inspiron 530s - HELP!
Booting in safe-mode doesn't have the TIMEOUT - READ_BIG messages, but instead I get an interrupt storm detected. The LiveCD didn't work because when I boot with ACPI disabled, no disks are detected which means that I cannot mount the LiveCD. :( On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM, patrick wrote: > Hi, I just got a new Dell Inspiron 530s, and am having some trouble > getting FreeBSD 7.1 installed on it. When I boot up from the CD, after > it detects all of the disks, I start getting messages like: > > acd0: TIMEOUT - READ_BIG retrying (1 retry left) > > and so on. > > Google results suggested that I disable ACPI from the boot menu. This > works insofar as I get to the installation menu; however, when I go to > partition the disk, it says that no disks were found. Is there a way I > can disable ACPI, but set some boot-time variables to help the system > find the disk controller? > > I'm in the process of creating a LiveCD to see if acpidump might help > isolate just what the problem is, but if anyone has some advice in the > meantime, I'd greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Patrick > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:19:00PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: Jerry, You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry I have a HP laptop which came with a recovery partition. I don't have windows on the laptop now but I used to and: a) somewhere there is a utility to make recovery dvds which do the same job so you can remove the recovery partition. b) there is a HP backup and recovery utility - you might have to install it from the HP software. There is an option to remove the recovery partition with it. Sure, you can nuke the vendor maintenance slice if you want to and get rid of the MS stuff as well at the same time. But, the OP seemed to want to keep those and add FreeBSD to the system. jerry I meant to suggest that you can put the recovery slice onto DVD to reclaim an additional 5gb disk space. So my whole procedure would be - create backup dvd's (with the HP backup and recovery manager software if I'm right in thinking that's where this utility lives). Test them! - get rid of the recovery slice using the backup and recovery manager. XP should now be the first slice (primary partition) if it wasn't already - use gparted or other suitable utility to shrink the XP slice - install FreeBSD in the new free space. If the laptop is still under warranty you probably need to be able to reinstall it to factory state before you can talk to them about a warranty claim - hence the recovery dvd's. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 18:05 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:19:00PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > > > Jerry McAllister wrote: > > >On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: > > > > > >>Jerry, > > >> > > >>You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get > > >>around > > >>the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the > > >>nail on the head! I will try this soon. > > > > > >Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long > > >as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. > > > > > >jerry > > > > I have a HP laptop which came with a recovery partition. I don't have > > windows on the laptop now but I used to and: > > > > a) somewhere there is a utility to make recovery dvds which do the same > > job so you can remove the recovery partition. > > b) there is a HP backup and recovery utility - you might have to install > > it from the HP software. There is an option to remove the recovery > > partition with it. > > > Sure, you can nuke the vendor maintenance slice if you want to and get > rid of the MS stuff as well at the same time. But, the OP seemed to > want to keep those and add FreeBSD to the system. > > jerry Thats how I read it too. That said I'll recognize you guys as the experts- its been years since I had to dual boot! I seem to have forgotten a lot of it... :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:19:00PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > Jerry McAllister wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: > > > >>Jerry, > >> > >>You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get > >>around > >>the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the > >>nail on the head! I will try this soon. > > > >Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long > >as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. > > > >jerry > > I have a HP laptop which came with a recovery partition. I don't have > windows on the laptop now but I used to and: > > a) somewhere there is a utility to make recovery dvds which do the same > job so you can remove the recovery partition. > b) there is a HP backup and recovery utility - you might have to install > it from the HP software. There is an option to remove the recovery > partition with it. Sure, you can nuke the vendor maintenance slice if you want to and get rid of the MS stuff as well at the same time. But, the OP seemed to want to keep those and add FreeBSD to the system. jerry > > The dvd creation utility might be part of the back and recovery > partition. I've used the recovery dvd's 2 or 3 times, they work fine, > including recreating the recovery partition. > > Sorry i can't give you more exact details, HTH. > > Chris > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: Jerry, You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry I have a HP laptop which came with a recovery partition. I don't have windows on the laptop now but I used to and: a) somewhere there is a utility to make recovery dvds which do the same job so you can remove the recovery partition. b) there is a HP backup and recovery utility - you might have to install it from the HP software. There is an option to remove the recovery partition with it. The dvd creation utility might be part of the back and recovery partition. I've used the recovery dvd's 2 or 3 times, they work fine, including recreating the recovery partition. Sorry i can't give you more exact details, HTH. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: > Jerry, > > You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around > the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the > nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry > > Thanks, > > tsai > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 06:13:45AM -0800, tsai wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Is there a tutorial on how to install FreeBSD on a system which already > > has > > > Windows XP on it? The goal is to have dual-boot with both. > > > > The FreeBSD Handbook - free online at the FreeBSD web site - has a > > whole section on that. It is easy. The machine on which I am typing > > is dual boot with FreeBSD Win-XP. > > > > Basically, you first have to shrink the XP slice (which is called > > a primary partition in the MS world) to make room for FreeBSD. > > Probably the best utility for that nowdays is gpartd which is > > available for free. Just do a little search and then burn a > > bootable copy of it to a CD. It works with NTFS as well as other > > MS file system types and some other freeware does not. You can > > also use the Parition Magic commercial product, but stick with > > version 7 which works well as long as it is on a hard disk. > > Version 8 of Partition Magic doesn't work well. Neither of them > > work with USB connected drives even though Version 8 claims to do so. > > But, gpartd does also work with USB drives. > > > > After shrinking the MS slice, then create a second bootable slice - > > which they call a primary partition. It may complain a bit about > > having two primary partitions, but don't worry about that. > > > > Also, make sure the MS-XP slice is first on the drive. It gets > > confused if it is not the first bootable slice on the drive. > > FreeBSD is happy to boot from wherever you tell it. > > > > One small and esotheric exception is that some hardware companies > > such as Dell and HP, put a diagnostic slice (primary partition) in > > front of MS-Win on the disk. But they get around it by marking it > > as a 'hidden' primary partition so MS MBRs do not 'see' it and just > > ignore it. (But FreeBSD MBRs do see it and usually label it as ??? > > in the menu, leaving you to ignore it) > > > > So, leave that hardware maintenance slice where it is, have the MS-XP > > slice next followed by the FreeBSD slice and, if you find it useful, an > > additional small slice that you make in to a FAT32 type. If the MS-XP > > slice is NTFS, it is handy to have a FA32 type slice around to use to > > transfer files between MS and FreeBSD.Four or five GB should be > > plenty depending on your usage. Alternatively, if you have shrunk > > the MS slice down below the max size for Fat32, then you can just > > convert the NTFS system to FAT32. I don't remember if gpartd will > > do that, but Partition Magic (version 7) will do it nicely. That > > introduces some limitations, plus FAT is not thought to be quite as > > reliable as NTFS, but I have never had any problem doing that. If > > you have no need to transfer files between the systems, then it is > > a moot point and don't bother worrying about this. > > > > When you get done with all this, everything will look just the same > > to the MS-XP machine, except it will have less disk space. > > FreeBSD will see all those slices. Presuming all those slices I > > mentioned, they will be identified as follows. > > > > /dev/ad0s1 -> Maintenance slice > > /dev/ad0s2 -> XP slice (either NTFS or FAT32) > > /dev/ad0s3 -> FreeBSD slice > > /dev/ad0s4 -> Extra file transfer FAT32 slice > > > > Or, without the extras, it would be: > > > > /dev/ad0s1 -> XP slice (either NTFS or FAT32) > > /dev/ad0s2 -> FreeBSD slice > > > > That is for ATA or SATA drives. > > SCSI or SAS drives would be named /dev/da0... > > > > Once you have this slice creation done, just boot the sysinstall CD > > and install FreeBSD to the FreeBSD slice you created. It should > > see those slices and only write to the one you specify. > > Make it write the FreeBSD MBR (the MS MBR won't work) and > > select the option for making the slice bootable, just like you > > would if installing FreeBSD by itself on the disk. > > > > Everything else is just like a normal install. > > Note: Of course, the total size you have to deal with when you do > > the partitioning in to a for /, b for swap, d for whatever, etc > > will be the size of the slice you made for FreeBSD, not the > > size of the disk itself. > > > > Then when you boot, you will see a menu that asks you to select > > which bootable slice to boot and you specify it using the 'F' keys > > eg F1, F2, F3 and it should look something like this. > > > > F1 - ??? > > F2 - MS-DOS(or ??? if NTFS) > > F3 -
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 06:13:45AM -0800, tsai wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there a tutorial on how to install FreeBSD on a system which already has > Windows XP on it? The goal is to have dual-boot with both. The FreeBSD Handbook - free online at the FreeBSD web site - has a whole section on that. It is easy. The machine on which I am typing is dual boot with FreeBSD Win-XP. Basically, you first have to shrink the XP slice (which is called a primary partition in the MS world) to make room for FreeBSD. Probably the best utility for that nowdays is gpartd which is available for free. Just do a little search and then burn a bootable copy of it to a CD. It works with NTFS as well as other MS file system types and some other freeware does not. You can also use the Parition Magic commercial product, but stick with version 7 which works well as long as it is on a hard disk. Version 8 of Partition Magic doesn't work well. Neither of them work with USB connected drives even though Version 8 claims to do so. But, gpartd does also work with USB drives. After shrinking the MS slice, then create a second bootable slice - which they call a primary partition. It may complain a bit about having two primary partitions, but don't worry about that. Also, make sure the MS-XP slice is first on the drive. It gets confused if it is not the first bootable slice on the drive. FreeBSD is happy to boot from wherever you tell it. One small and esotheric exception is that some hardware companies such as Dell and HP, put a diagnostic slice (primary partition) in front of MS-Win on the disk. But they get around it by marking it as a 'hidden' primary partition so MS MBRs do not 'see' it and just ignore it. (But FreeBSD MBRs do see it and usually label it as ??? in the menu, leaving you to ignore it) So, leave that hardware maintenance slice where it is, have the MS-XP slice next followed by the FreeBSD slice and, if you find it useful, an additional small slice that you make in to a FAT32 type. If the MS-XP slice is NTFS, it is handy to have a FA32 type slice around to use to transfer files between MS and FreeBSD.Four or five GB should be plenty depending on your usage. Alternatively, if you have shrunk the MS slice down below the max size for Fat32, then you can just convert the NTFS system to FAT32. I don't remember if gpartd will do that, but Partition Magic (version 7) will do it nicely. That introduces some limitations, plus FAT is not thought to be quite as reliable as NTFS, but I have never had any problem doing that. If you have no need to transfer files between the systems, then it is a moot point and don't bother worrying about this. When you get done with all this, everything will look just the same to the MS-XP machine, except it will have less disk space. FreeBSD will see all those slices. Presuming all those slices I mentioned, they will be identified as follows. /dev/ad0s1 -> Maintenance slice /dev/ad0s2 -> XP slice (either NTFS or FAT32) /dev/ad0s3 -> FreeBSD slice /dev/ad0s4 -> Extra file transfer FAT32 slice Or, without the extras, it would be: /dev/ad0s1 -> XP slice (either NTFS or FAT32) /dev/ad0s2 -> FreeBSD slice That is for ATA or SATA drives. SCSI or SAS drives would be named /dev/da0... Once you have this slice creation done, just boot the sysinstall CD and install FreeBSD to the FreeBSD slice you created. It should see those slices and only write to the one you specify. Make it write the FreeBSD MBR (the MS MBR won't work) and select the option for making the slice bootable, just like you would if installing FreeBSD by itself on the disk. Everything else is just like a normal install. Note: Of course, the total size you have to deal with when you do the partitioning in to a for /, b for swap, d for whatever, etc will be the size of the slice you made for FreeBSD, not the size of the disk itself. Then when you boot, you will see a menu that asks you to select which bootable slice to boot and you specify it using the 'F' keys eg F1, F2, F3 and it should look something like this. F1 - ??? F2 - MS-DOS(or ??? if NTFS) F3 - FreeBSD If you make that extra file transfer FAT32 slice, do not mark that as bootable and it should not show up in the menu. But the maintenance slice will show up as F1 - ??? if you have one. Have fun, jerry > > Thanks, > > tsai > > -- > tsai > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
I used gparted (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ ) to move the XP partition to make room for fBSD. You make a bootable CD and I found it to be quite simple. Make sure that your XP partition is defragmented before using gparted. Otherwise, gparted will not let you manipulate the partition. Once you make a decent partition for fBSD (mine is around 25G), just follow fBSD's installation docs ( http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install.html [+]) . Again, it's pretty easy. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:13 AM, tsai wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there a tutorial on how to install FreeBSD on a system which already has > Windows XP on it? The goal is to have dual-boot with both. > > Thanks, > > tsai > > -- > tsai > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > -- www.nealhogan.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Installing FreeBSD
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 3:11 AM, Rommel Tan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Dear Sir/Madam: > Pleasant day! > First of all, sorry if this enquiry shouldn't be directed to you, please > help me direct to the right person. > Few months ago I've purchase a FreeBSD book which includes an installation > DVD for FreeBSD 6.1. I tried to install it in my Toshiba Satellite, Intel > Centrino with current Windows XP SP3 OS after doing some partition. But, I'm > stock with boot error; sorry I'm very new to this system; I tried to search > for an answer but no to avail. > Here is the last part of the error: > . > Pci6: on pcib2 > Pci6: at device 2.0 (no driver attached) > Cbb0: eme 0x8007000-0xb8007fff irq 16 at device 4.0 on > pci6 > Cardbus0: on cbb0 > Pccard0: <16-bit PCCard> on cbb0 > Fwohci0: <1394 Open Host Controller Interface> mem > 0xb8008000-0xb80087ff,0xb80-0xb8003fff irq 18 at device 4.2 on pci6 > Fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=0) > Fwohci0: No. Of Isochronous channels is 4. > Fwohci0: EUI64 00:02:3f:58:69:40:a5:e6 > NMI ISA b0, EISA ff > RAM parity error, likely hardware failure. the above line is very clear to me. RAM is gone. Then it implies u cannot boot XP on this machine, can you ? > > Fatal trap 19: non-maskable interrupt trap while in kernel mode > Instruction pointer = 0x20:0xc0528586 > Stack pointer = 0x28:0xc10209c4 > Frame pointer = 0x28:0xc10209d8 > Code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xf, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, > gran 1 > Processor eflags = interrupt enable, IOPL = 0 > Current process= 0 (swapper) > Trap number = 19 > Panic: non-maskable interrupt trap > Uptime: 1s > Automatic reboot in 15 seconds – press a key on the console to abort > > Hope you can enlighten me on this matter. > Thank you and more power! > > Best Regards, > RommelTan > > > --- > > The information contained in this Internet message is confidential and > intended only for the use of the individual or entity identified. If > the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, any > dissemination, distribution or copying of the information contained in > this Internet message is strictly prohibited. If you received this > message in error, please notify the sender ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > immediately. > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > [EMAIL PROTECTED]" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installing FreeBSD
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 07:11:56PM -0800, Rommel Tan wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Dear Sir/Madam: > Pleasant day! > First of all, sorry if this enquiry shouldn’t be directed to you, > please help me direct to the right person. The questions mailing list is OK. > Few months ago I’ve purchase a FreeBSD book which includes an > installation DVD for FreeBSD 6.1. I tried to install it in my Toshiba > Satellite, Intel Centrino with current Windows XP SP3 OS after doing > some partition. But, I’m stock with boot error; sorry I’m very new to > this system; I tried to search for an answer but no to avail. > Here is the last part of the error: > . > Pci6: on pcib2 > Pci6: at device 2.0 (no driver attached) > Cbb0: eme 0x8007000-0xb8007fff irq 16 at device 4.0 on > pci6 > Cardbus0: on cbb0 > Pccard0: <16-bit PCCard> on cbb0 > Fwohci0: <1394 Open Host Controller Interface> mem > 0xb8008000-0xb80087ff,0xb80-0xb8003fff irq 18 at device 4.2 on pci6 > Fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=0) > Fwohci0: No. Of Isochronous channels is 4. > Fwohci0: EUI64 00:02:3f:58:69:40:a5:e6 > NMI ISA b0, EISA ff Have a look at the following line. It tells you what is wrong. > RAM parity error, likely hardware failure. Your Random Access Memory is broken. This is a hardware failure and not something that FreeBSD can fix. Try replacing the RAM modules. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpy7dt3wFYrL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Installing FreeBSD
Telpiz Sorin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > tried several times to install 7.0-RELEASE x amd64 on my > friend's machine that is eqiupped with hard drive manufactured by > Samsung. The hard drive (master) appears to have SATA interface, > nonetheless SYSINSTALL regognizes it as ad04! That is fine. > Besides, SYSINSTALL complains about the disk's geometry . Also probably not a problem; C/H/S geometries are rarely important these days. > The text > console works very slowly, though the machine (ASUS motherboard) has > 2 Gigs of RAM and a good GeForce video board. For comparison, my old > IBM machine ( PentiumII , 128Mb RAM , 16Mb video memory ) runs Free > BSD much more faster. Could you help us fix the trouble? Can you quantify the slowness? This isn't much of an explanation for us to work with... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installing FreeBSD
On 12 Jun 2008 , Telpiz Sorin entreated about "Installing FreeBSD": > tried several times to install 7.0-RELEASE x amd64 on my > friend's machine that is eqiupped with hard drive manufactured by > Samsung. The hard drive (master) appears to have SATA interface, > nonetheless SYSINSTALL regognizes it as ad04! Besides, SYSINSTALL > complains about the disk's geometry . The text console works very > slowly, though the machine (ASUS motherboard) has 2 Gigs of RAM > and a good GeForce video board. For comparison, my old IBM machine ( > PentiumII , 128Mb RAM , 16Mb video memory ) runs Free BSD much more > faster. Could you help us fix the trouble? Best regards and much > thanks. sorin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had this with my Linux box at home. The solution is to change the CMOS setting for the drive mode to 'enhanced' (on my motherboard at any rate). If you use the compatibility mode then the chipset maps the SATA drives to the 'IDE' space and speed will be limited to somewhere around PIO4 (-: in my experience, sysinstall ALWAYS complains about geometry and I always just leave it and it always just works. YMMV -- DA Fo rsythNetwork Supervisor Principal Technical Officer -- Institute for Water Research http://www.ru.ac.za/institutes/iwr/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installing FreeBSD
tried several times to install 7.0-RELEASE x amd64 on my friend's machine that is eqiupped with hard drive manufactured by Samsung. The hard drive (master) appears to have SATA interface, nonetheless SYSINSTALL regognizes it as ad04! what do you expect to be recognized as? it's OK The text console works very slowly, for this i have no idea.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installing freeBSD
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 09:45:43PM +0200, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Huu Daud wrote: > >Iam new to this forum and to the Unix.My interest is to install and > >configure freeBSD on my desktop computer.I have downloaded the iso for > >i386. > >and burn on the CD and DVD.My problem is when I boot from the CD or DVD > >,it didnt send me to the screen for selection options as it is shown on > >the web.Instead, it sends me to the A drive prompt(DOS).Is it possible to > >install from the DOS?.How then > > > Just start up Nero Express; then you will get a window in which you can > choose 'Disc Image or Saved Project'. > When you click on that option, you can choose the location of the .iso file. > > Did you ftp the .iso file? Then first try thru _http_ and process the above. > > That you burn your iso on a Windows machine has nothing to do with the > problem. Other than that some of the Win burners default to, or seem to encourage selecting, the wrong options. But, you're right, the CD easily be burned on a Win machine with many different pieces of software. jerry > > -- Jos > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installing freeBSD
Huu Daud wrote: Iam new to this forum and to the Unix.My interest is to install and configure freeBSD on my desktop computer.I have downloaded the iso for i386. and burn on the CD and DVD.My problem is when I boot from the CD or DVD ,it didnt send me to the screen for selection options as it is shown on the web.Instead, it sends me to the A drive prompt(DOS).Is it possible to install from the DOS?.How then Just start up Nero Express; then you will get a window in which you can choose 'Disc Image or Saved Project'. When you click on that option, you can choose the location of the .iso file. Did you ftp the .iso file? Then first try thru _http_ and process the above. That you burn your iso on a Windows machine has nothing to do with the problem. -- Jos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installing freeBSD
On Mon 2008-06-09 12:10:01 UTC-0500, Shelby Cain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 17:00 +, D Hill wrote: > > > Likely you have burned the iso file on a windows machine? I use both > > Roxio and Nero and have NEVER had any issues. Both will automatically > > set up correctly to burn the contents of the ISO just by > > double-clicking on the ISO image. > > As will free Windows utilities like ImgBurn http://www.imgburn.com/ Another free alternative which I've used in the past is BurnAtOnce. http://www.burnatonce.net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installing freeBSD
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 06:33:56PM +0200, Filippo Moretti wrote: > Jerry McAllister ha scritto: > >On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 08:24:13AM -0700, Huu Daud wrote: > > > > > >>Hello, > >>Greetings, > >>Iam new to this forum and to the Unix. My interest is to install and > >>configure freeBSD on my desktop computer.I have downloaded the iso for > >>i386. > >>and burn on the CD and DVD.My problem is when I boot from the CD or DVD , > >>it didnt send me to the screen for selection options as it is shown on > >>the web. Instead, it sends me to the A drive prompt(DOS).Is it possible > >>to install from the DOS?.How then. > >> > I got the same problem,very likely you have burned the iso file on a > window machine.I gave up. > If you have a floppy drive make the boot floppy as explained on the > handbook ,and then install > via ftp. > sincerely > Filippo If the problem is burning on an MS machine, then you have to make sure that the system is not trying to make an ISO out of the file before it burns it.The file is already an ISO and needs to be burned just as it is without any type of conversion. You'll have to check the options for the utility that you are using to burn the CD. jerry > > > >I am having a little trouble picturing what you got. It doesn't sound > >like something I have seen when booting from a CD. > > > >First, is there something in your floppy drive? If so, take it out. > > > >Second, your BIOS boot sequence should be: Floppy, CD, hard disk > >If it doesn't happen to have the CD in the BIOS sequence, then > >put it there. > > > >When you start to boot from the CD, then just let it continue. > >It might put up a boot menu, but you should be able to just wait > >and take the default. > > > >Past that, there should be no other prompt or menu after that > >besides install selection stuff. > > > >jerry > > > > > > > >>Thank you for your help > >>huu > >> > >>___ > >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >>"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > >> > >___ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > > > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installing freeBSD
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 17:00 +, D Hill wrote: > Likely you have burned the iso file on a windows machine? I use both Roxio > and Nero and have NEVER had any issues. Both will automatically set up > correctly to burn the contents of the ISO just by double-clicking on the > ISO image. As will free Windows utilities like ImgBurn http://www.imgburn.com/ Regards, Shelby Cain signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Installing freeBSD
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 at 18:33 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] confabulated: Jerry McAllister ha scritto: On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 08:24:13AM -0700, Huu Daud wrote: Hello, Greetings, Iam new to this forum and to the Unix. My interest is to install and configure freeBSD on my desktop computer.I have downloaded the iso for i386. and burn on the CD and DVD.My problem is when I boot from the CD or DVD , it didnt send me to the screen for selection options as it is shown on the web. Instead, it sends me to the A drive prompt(DOS).Is it possible to install from the DOS?.How then. I got the same problem,very likely you have burned the iso file on a window machine. Likely you have burned the iso file on a windows machine? I use both Roxio and Nero and have NEVER had any issues. Both will automatically set up correctly to burn the contents of the ISO just by double-clicking on the ISO image. I gave up. If you have a floppy drive make the boot floppy as explained on the handbook ,and then install via ftp. sincerely Filippo I am having a little trouble picturing what you got. It doesn't sound like something I have seen when booting from a CD. First, is there something in your floppy drive? If so, take it out. Second, your BIOS boot sequence should be: Floppy, CD, hard disk If it doesn't happen to have the CD in the BIOS sequence, then put it there. When you start to boot from the CD, then just let it continue. It might put up a boot menu, but you should be able to just wait and take the default. Past that, there should be no other prompt or menu after that besides install selection stuff. jerry Thank you for your help huu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installing freeBSD
Jerry McAllister ha scritto: On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 08:24:13AM -0700, Huu Daud wrote: Hello, Greetings, Iam new to this forum and to the Unix. My interest is to install and configure freeBSD on my desktop computer.I have downloaded the iso for i386. and burn on the CD and DVD.My problem is when I boot from the CD or DVD , it didnt send me to the screen for selection options as it is shown on the web. Instead, it sends me to the A drive prompt(DOS).Is it possible to install from the DOS?.How then. I got the same problem,very likely you have burned the iso file on a window machine.I gave up. If you have a floppy drive make the boot floppy as explained on the handbook ,and then install via ftp. sincerely Filippo I am having a little trouble picturing what you got. It doesn't sound like something I have seen when booting from a CD. First, is there something in your floppy drive? If so, take it out. Second, your BIOS boot sequence should be: Floppy, CD, hard disk If it doesn't happen to have the CD in the BIOS sequence, then put it there. When you start to boot from the CD, then just let it continue. It might put up a boot menu, but you should be able to just wait and take the default. Past that, there should be no other prompt or menu after that besides install selection stuff. jerry Thank you for your help huu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installing freeBSD
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 08:24:13AM -0700, Huu Daud wrote: > Hello, > Greetings, > Iam new to this forum and to the Unix. My interest is to install and > configure freeBSD on my desktop computer.I have downloaded the iso for i386. > and burn on the CD and DVD.My problem is when I boot from the CD or DVD , > it didnt send me to the screen for selection options as it is shown on the > web. Instead, it sends me to the A drive prompt(DOS).Is it possible to > install from the DOS?.How then. I am having a little trouble picturing what you got. It doesn't sound like something I have seen when booting from a CD. First, is there something in your floppy drive? If so, take it out. Second, your BIOS boot sequence should be: Floppy, CD, hard disk If it doesn't happen to have the CD in the BIOS sequence, then put it there. When you start to boot from the CD, then just let it continue. It might put up a boot menu, but you should be able to just wait and take the default. Past that, there should be no other prompt or menu after that besides install selection stuff. jerry > Thank you for your help > huu > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
