Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 12:44 -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote: Norberto Meijome wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:46:10 +0200 Momchil Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4) Forget about the DSL router. Box with wireless NIC, 1 NIC for home net, 1 NIC for the DSL - same as above, just have to tell your box how to connect to your ISP ok, this is interesting. You mean, plug the phone line straight into, say, fxp1 ? and then using ppp to connect over PPoE to your ISP? I had originally thought of getting a DSL card , but there doesn't seem to be any ADSL2/2+ supported. A phone line is RJ11 and can be only a single pair; ethernet cables which go into a fxp NIC are RJ45 and have four pairs. :-) If you wanted to connect the phone line directly, you'd rightly need to get a DSL PCI card. However, you can connect a DSL modem into one side in bridge mode, and have the output of the DSL modem connect to a FreeBSD machine via ethernet which uses PPP to do the PPPoE/PPPoA negotiation, or you can use a broadband router/switch to do that, instead. Regards, In your part of the world, yes. I've encountered setups (iirc in Denmark?) where the telco terminates their line as an RJ-11 and an RJ-45. You can then plug into that either a router that talks PPPoE on an ethernet port, or directly into NIC in your computer and talk PPPoE there. This is where PPPoE clients like rp-pppoe and their ilk come into play. You can even do (rudimentary) sharing of the ADSL by plumbing it into a hub. Any other client connected to the hub can kick off a PPPoE session. Not many telcos do this these days I think.. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:33:50 +1000 Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) i figured...but i asked just in the crazy chance that PPoE meant u could use any Ethernet capable device (like a NIC) to connect to DSL. Oh well, it'd been cool if true :D I can't speak in the general case, but it works for me. I guess you'll probably need to check with somebody in your ISP who doesn't read answers from a flow chart. -fr. -- Feargal Reilly, Chief Techie, FBI. PGP Key: 0xBD252C01 (expires: 2006-11-30) Web: http://www.fbi.ie/ | Tel: +353.14988588 | Fax: +353.14988489 Communications House, 11 Sallymount Avenue, Ranelagh, Dublin 6. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:33:50 +1000 Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) i figured...but i asked just in the crazy chance that PPoE meant u could use any Ethernet capable device (like a NIC) to connect to DSL. Oh well, it'd been cool if true :D If I were you I'd go with your original plan of putting your router into bridged mode, but I'd also try what I suggested about using the normal ethernet interface to access the other lan ports. That avoids the use of a second NIC and allows the use of the router's other ports. It has the additional advantage that you can put the router back into NAT mode, which can be useful for troubleshooting networking problems or if your FreeBSD machine has a fault. It's also useful if you want to boot a live-cd with internet access. The router will also allow you to switch to PPPoA, which makes it easy to deal with support if your ISP uses it as its official means of connection. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
Norberto Meijome wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:46:10 +0200 Momchil Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4) Forget about the DSL router. Box with wireless NIC, 1 NIC for home net, 1 NIC for the DSL - same as above, just have to tell your box how to connect to your ISP ok, this is interesting. You mean, plug the phone line straight into, say, fxp1 ? and then using ppp to connect over PPoE to your ISP? I had originally thought of getting a DSL card , but there doesn't seem to be any ADSL2/2+ supported. A phone line is RJ11 and can be only a single pair; ethernet cables which go into a fxp NIC are RJ45 and have four pairs. :-) If you wanted to connect the phone line directly, you'd rightly need to get a DSL PCI card. However, you can connect a DSL modem into one side in bridge mode, and have the output of the DSL modem connect to a FreeBSD machine via ethernet which uses PPP to do the PPPoE/PPPoA negotiation, or you can use a broadband router/switch to do that, instead. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:46:10 +0200
Momchil Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
4) Forget about the DSL router. Box with wireless NIC, 1 NIC for home net, 1
NIC for the DSL
- same as above, just have to tell your box how to connect to your ISP
ok, this is interesting. You mean, plug the phone line straight into, say,
fxp1 ? and then using ppp to connect over PPoE to your ISP?
I had originally thought of getting a DSL card , but there doesn't seem to be
any ADSL2/2+ supported.
cheers,
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Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Monday 02 July 2007 03:45:39 Norberto Meijome wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:46:10 +0200 Momchil Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4) Forget about the DSL router. Box with wireless NIC, 1 NIC for home net, 1 NIC for the DSL ^^ - same as above, just have to tell your box how to connect to your ISP ok, this is interesting. You mean, plug the phone line straight into, say, fxp1 ? and then using ppp to connect over PPoE to your ISP? I had originally thought of getting a DSL card , but there doesn't seem to be any ADSL2/2+ supported. Well, as you get your internet connection through a DSL line, the above is meant to be a DSL card. -- PGP KeyID: 0x3118168B Keyserver: pgp.mit.edu Key fingerprint BB50 2983 0714 36DC D02E 158A E03D 56DA 3118 168B pgpclIeguBIZD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 04:16:13 +0200
Momchil Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 02 July 2007 03:45:39 Norberto Meijome wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:46:10 +0200
Momchil Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
4) Forget about the DSL router. Box with wireless NIC, 1 NIC for home
net, 1 NIC for the DSL
^^
- same as above, just have to tell your box how to connect to your ISP
ok, this is interesting. You mean, plug the phone line straight into, say,
fxp1 ? and then using ppp to connect over PPoE to your ISP?
I had originally thought of getting a DSL card , but there doesn't seem to
be any ADSL2/2+ supported.
Well, as you get your internet connection through a DSL line, the above is
meant to be a DSL card.
:) i figured...but i asked just in the crazy chance that PPoE meant u could use
any Ethernet capable device (like a NIC) to connect to DSL. Oh well, it'd been
cool if true :D
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Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:07:05 +0200 (CEST)
zigniew szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Basically, will squid not be an
overkill for a family network consisting of 3-4 machines? The box I want
to devote for gateway/pc purposes is a Compaq PIII 866 Mhz with 512 MB RAM
and 40GB HD.
Hi Zigniew,
Back in '96 I used to run squid on a (linux Slackware) 486 DX 100Mhz, 64 MB RAM
for 20 to 30 computers, with a dialup line. I can't imagine why it wouldn't
work or be overkill for your setup :) I actually have the same setup in mind
(down to the compaq + Dlink in bridged mode :-D )
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Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
Hi, Back in '96 I used to run squid on a (linux Slackware) 486 DX 100Mhz, 64 MB RAM for 20 to 30 computers, with a dialup line. I can't imagine why it wouldn't work or be overkill for your setup :) I actually have the same setup in mind (down to the compaq + Dlink in bridged mode :-D ) Great! OK I am encouraged to give it a try. But hardware-wise I will need to NICs and plug my modem line into one NIC and then the other NIC will be used to connect the Dlink router. I figure the Dlink router essentially becomes redundant but it is a wireless machine so I would like to use it anyway. Is my thinking correct here? Thank you! Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:42:58 +0200 (CEST)
zigniew szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great! OK I am encouraged to give it a try. But hardware-wise I will need
to NICs and plug my modem line into one NIC and then the other NIC will be
used to connect the Dlink router. I figure the Dlink router essentially
becomes redundant but it is a wireless machine so I would like to use it
anyway.
you'll need 2 nics, right.
If you use the wireless in the DSL modem, you'll be bypassing the BSD server.
Which may be fine if the kids' computer(s) cant do wireless. (beware of USB
wireless dongles ;) )
Is my thinking correct here?
what I have planned to do is use a non-wireless DSL modem in bridged mode
(DLINK 504T), connect to the BSD box.
BSD box with 2 NICs ('wan' and 'lan') as well as a DLINK G520 PCI Wireless
card (Atheros chipset) and make the BSD box the wireless AP.
And throwing in a small flash IDE drive for faster bootups.
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Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
Hi there again,
Great! OK I am encouraged to give it a try. But hardware-wise I will
need
to NICs and plug my modem line into one NIC and then the other NIC will
be
used to connect the Dlink router. I figure the Dlink router essentially
becomes redundant but it is a wireless machine so I would like to use it
anyway.
you'll need 2 nics, right.
If you use the wireless in the DSL modem, you'll be bypassing the BSD
server.
Just one question here. If I plug the router to the lan NIC and configure
it to take DHCP and DNS settings from the BSD box, then the wireless will
not bypass the BSD machine, will it?
what I have planned to do is use a non-wireless DSL modem in bridged mode
(DLINK 504T), connect to the BSD box.
BSD box with 2 NICs ('wan' and 'lan') as well as a DLINK G520 PCI
Wireless
card (Atheros chipset) and make the BSD box the wireless AP.
I see. I can do the same but that would render the wireless Dlink useless
so I wonder if I can still use it and control connections via the BSD
machine.
Thank you very much!
Zbigniew Szalbot
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Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:00:01 +1000 Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:42:58 +0200 (CEST) zigniew szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great! OK I am encouraged to give it a try. But hardware-wise I will need to NICs and plug my modem line into one NIC and then the other NIC will be used to connect the Dlink router. I figure the Dlink router essentially becomes redundant but it is a wireless machine so I would like to use it anyway. you'll need 2 nics, right. I'm not sure that's true. If you're bridging PPPoE then you can access the internet on the tun i/f and the lan on the NIC's normal ethernet i/f. I do that with my Draytek Vigor 100 modem which has extra ports for the purpose, you can do it with a lot of DSL routers too. I've never used a wireless router, but I would imagine that the wireless clients would simply behave as if they are on the LAN. If that works then it would allow the FreeBSD machine to firewall the wireless clients too without any additional hardware. Although I'm not sure if it's possible to bridge PPP through a separate router, as opposed to a combined DSL-modem-router, but it's worth a try. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
Gaye Abdoulaye wrote: ADSL line. At some point I would like to use an old pc with freebsd on it to sit between the router and the rest of my home network. If your are searching a BSD like solution, you have pfsense: http://www.pfsense.org/ But what I use IPCOP: http://www.ipcop.org/ With some addons like *BlockOutTraffic (BOT)*, SQUIDGUARD, and others I'll 2nd the suggestion for IPCop www.ipcop.org It's Linux, not BSD -- not my first OS choice, but it's a mature, feature laden product (that already has squid built in) that is better and more secure than something you could whip up yourself in a weekend. See the doc page http://ipcop.org/index.php?module=pnWikkatag=IPCopDocumentation , particularly features and software used to get an idea of the extensive capabilities. There's also m0n0wall http://m0n0.ch/wall/ that's BSD based, but very stripped down. And these guys http://www.mikrotik.com/ have lots of good stuff for DIYers. -R ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, I'll 2nd the suggestion for IPCop www.ipcop.org It's Linux, not BSD -- not my first OS choice, but it's a mature, feature laden product (that already has squid built in) that is better and more secure than something you could whip up yourself in a weekend. As far as I remember, when installing FBSD I chose not to install Linux binary compatibility (not sure if that matters though). But my question is more general. Can Linux software be safely (and securely) used on a unix platform? I am happy to use squid and dansguardian, especially that for a home network I do not need a complete software suites, do I? Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Friday 29 June 2007 09:13:09 zigniew szalbot wrote: If you use the wireless in the DSL modem, you'll be bypassing the BSD server. Just one question here. If I plug the router to the lan NIC and configure it to take DHCP and DNS settings from the BSD box, then the wireless will not bypass the BSD machine, will it? You can do it in the following ways: 1) Box with one NIC - connect the box to your home network - disable DSL router`s DHCP for your home network - start dhcpd on the box giving ip addresses to your home clients and telling them that the box itself is the gateway, run squid or whatever you want to capture your clients' traffic and filter them, then the box users the DSL router for gateway - disadvantages: if your kids are smart they will just change their gateway so that it`s not the box, but the DSL router and override your filtering 2) Same as above, but say DSL`s home ip is 10.51.87.1 you give the box 10.51.87.2, then give the box another ip (alias) 10.37.6.1 and tell the dhcpd on the box to give ip adresses from the 10.37.6.0/24 network to the client. The idea is to use 2 networks, one box - clients, the other for dsl router - box - disadvantages: again if your kids are smart they`ll just set themselves some static ip from the dsl router`s network and browse. They just have to figure out router`s ip and network :) as in the above case 3) Box with 2 NICs and wireless NIC - disable dsl router`s wireless NIC - connect dsl router to NIC1 on the box - connect NIC2 to home net - setup the box wireless as Access Point - bridge NIC2 and the wireless NIC on the box - run your filter 4) Forget about the DSL router. Box with wireless NIC, 1 NIC for home net, 1 NIC for the DSL - same as above, just have to tell your box how to connect to your ISP -- This correspondence is strictly confidential. Any screening, filtering and/or production for the purpose of public or otherwise disclosure is forbidden without written permission by the author signed above. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete any copies PGP KeyID: 0x3118168B Keyserver: pgp.mit.edu Key fingerprint BB50 2983 0714 36DC D02E 158A E03D 56DA 3118 168B pgpvaXII4YpIh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
At 11:43 AM 6/29/2007, zbigniew szalbot wrote: As far as I remember, when installing FBSD I chose not to install Linux binary compatibility (not sure if that matters though). But my question is more general. Can Linux software be safely (and securely) used on a unix platform? I am happy to use squid and dansguardian, especially that for a home network I do not need a complete software suites, do I? IPCop that was suggested is NOT a stand-alone application that you can run in linux compat mode. It's an entire linux distro, with O/S, servers and apps all pre-installed configured. It needs to be installed on a dedicated machine; although the hardware requirements are minimal and it doesn't need to be a fast machine. It might run on a virtual PC if you just wanted to test drive it. It's a 15MB .ISO file you burn to CD and boot to the installer. It can be installed to a bootable USB key if your machine supports those. If you have an old IDE drive 250MB or bigger (everybody does, right?) throw it in a spare machine and try it. You'll need a 2nd NIC unless your WAN connection is serial. I run it with the old 4-port Adaptec NICs found on Ebay for $10. I know some of ya' are grumbling that I'm advocating or even mentioning a linux based package here, but it is a rather kick-ass package, and it is at least non-windoze and open-source ;) -RW ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
zigniew szalbot a écrit : Hello, I am looking for advice. I have a dlink router/modem that connects to my ADSL line. At some point I would like to use an old pc with freebsd on it to sit between the router and the rest of my home network. What kind of set up should I be aiming for to make it possible? On the software side I am also looking for some kind of parental control utility. I guess I can use pf. But would that be enough? I think it would have to be something that would allow me to define keywords based on which sites containing them would get automatically blocked on the fbsd gateway. I'd rather use open source solutions. Many thanks in advance! Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your are searching a BSD like solution, you have pfsense: http://www.pfsense.org/ But what I use IPCOP: http://www.ipcop.org/ With some addons like *BlockOutTraffic (BOT)*, SQUIDGUARD, and others you can have contents filtering and proxing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Jun 28, 2007, at 3:40 PM, zigniew szalbot wrote: On the software side I am also looking for some kind of parental control utility. I guess I can use pf. But would that be enough? I think it would have to be something that would allow me to define keywords based on which sites containing them would get automatically blocked on the fbsd gateway. I'd rather use open source solutions. squid and squidguard seem like the obvious choices to me. -j ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Thursday 28 June 2007 18:08:33 Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: On Jun 28, 2007, at 3:40 PM, zigniew szalbot wrote: On the software side I am also looking for some kind of parental control utility. I guess I can use pf. But would that be enough? I think it would have to be something that would allow me to define keywords based on which sites containing them would get automatically blocked on the fbsd gateway. I'd rather use open source solutions. squid and squidguard seem like the obvious choices to me. -j I use squid and dansguardian. Very easy to setup. /usr/ports/www/dansguardian Derrick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
Hello, Thank you all who have responded! utility. I guess I can use pf. But would that be enough? I think it would have to be something that would allow me to define keywords based on which sites containing them would get automatically blocked on the fbsd gateway. I'd rather use open source solutions. squid and squidguard seem like the obvious choices to me. -j I use squid and dansguardian. Very easy to setup. /usr/ports/www/dansguardian I have never tried squid but it seems quite a big package. I have also seen oops but not sure which to choose. Basically, will squid not be an overkill for a family network consisting of 3-4 machines? The box I want to devote for gateway/pc purposes is a Compaq PIII 866 Mhz with 512 MB RAM and 40GB HD. Thank you! Zbigniew Szalbot Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
Hello, Thank you all who have responded! utility. I guess I can use pf. But would that be enough? I think it would have to be something that would allow me to define keywords based on which sites containing them would get automatically blocked on the fbsd gateway. I'd rather use open source solutions. squid and squidguard seem like the obvious choices to me. -j I use squid and dansguardian. Very easy to setup. /usr/ports/www/dansguardian I have never tried squid but it seems quite a big package. I have also seen oops but not sure which to choose. Basically, will squid not be an overkill for a family network consisting of 3-4 machines? The box I want to devote for gateway/pc purposes is a Compaq PIII 866 Mhz with 512 MB RAM and 40GB HD. Thank you! Zbigniew Szalbot Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
Hello, Thank you all who have responded! utility. I guess I can use pf. But would that be enough? I think it would have to be something that would allow me to define keywords based on which sites containing them would get automatically blocked on the fbsd gateway. I'd rather use open source solutions. squid and squidguard seem like the obvious choices to me. -j I use squid and dansguardian. Very easy to setup. /usr/ports/www/dansguardian I have never tried squid but it seems quite a big package. I have also seen oops but not sure which to choose. Basically, will squid not be an overkill for a family network consisting of 3-4 machines? The box I want to devote for gateway/pc purposes is a Compaq PIII 866 Mhz with 512 MB RAM and 40GB HD. Thank you! Zbigniew Szalbot Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
Hello, Thank you all who have responded! utility. I guess I can use pf. But would that be enough? I think it would have to be something that would allow me to define keywords based on which sites containing them would get automatically blocked on the fbsd gateway. I'd rather use open source solutions. squid and squidguard seem like the obvious choices to me. -j I use squid and dansguardian. Very easy to setup. /usr/ports/www/dansguardian I have never tried squid but it seems quite a big package. I have also seen oops but not sure which to choose. Basically, will squid not be an overkill for a family network consisting of 3-4 machines? The box I want to devote for gateway/pc purposes is a Compaq PIII 866 Mhz with 512 MB RAM and 40GB HD. Thank you! Zbigniew Szalbot Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd / gateway / parental control
On Jun 28, 2007, at 4:07 PM, zigniew szalbot wrote: I use squid and dansguardian. Very easy to setup. /usr/ports/www/dansguardian I have never tried squid but it seems quite a big package. I have also seen oops but not sure which to choose. Basically, will squid not be an overkill for a family network consisting of 3-4 machines? The box I want to devote for gateway/pc purposes is a Compaq PIII 866 Mhz with 512 MB RAM and 40GB HD. Squid works just fine for a single-user environment, even, especially if you use an adblocker and/or override the local DNS for annoying adfarm sites to return just a transparent 1x1 pixel GIF image instead of the ads. Squid is noticeably smarter about figuring out when to recheck web resources for changes and do so efficiently compared to pretty much all of the local caching done by browsers. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
