APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS
I have the opportunity to replace an aging UPS with a new APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS one. My question is if anyone here has ever used this device under FreeBSD. APC does not have, or at least I couldn't find any, software for a FreeBSD system. Without the software, the unit is basically useless. I Googled and found an old message regarding FreeBSD and a similar UPS http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-October/062543.html dated 10/2004. Are those issues still relevant? According to http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/#freebsd I need to insure that this is a SmartUPS The unit I am looking at does not qualify. I might add that my present unit is connected to a Windows machine. I intend to replace that one and hook up both PCs to it. -- Carmel ✌ carmel...@hotmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013, Carmel wrote: I have the opportunity to replace an aging UPS with a new APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS one. My question is if anyone here has ever used this device under FreeBSD. APC does not have, or at least I couldn't find any, software for a FreeBSD system. Without the software, the unit is basically useless. I Googled and found an old message regarding FreeBSD and a similar UPS http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-October/062543.html dated 10/2004. Are those issues still relevant? According to http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/#freebsd I need to insure that this is a SmartUPS The unit I am looking at does not qualify. I might add that my present unit is connected to a Windows machine. I intend to replace that one and hook up both PCs to it. sysutils/apcupsd works with a lot of APC units. Offhand, I know it works with a several-year-old Back-UPS XS unit (not mine), and with all my older Smart-UPS units. Mac people say that apcupsd works with the BE750G: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20100314155518972 The Smart-UPS models are preferred for better quality. In some of the newer units, APC has gone to a proprietary communications protocol. The problem units are shown on the apcupsd.com site. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Your UPS Invoice is Ready
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Re: Your UPS Invoice is Ready
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Re: what software can support that UPS ?
thanks for help. found it non-FreeBSD specific. just this model is not supported by available software. Thanks again On Mon, 14 May 2012, Robert Huff wrote: Wojciech Puchar writes: /usr/ports/sysutils/apcupsd ? ? - so what to give as device? /dev/ugen1.3? set UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb My BackUPS RS 500 works fine using those and a empty DEVICE field. It is possible this is a new/redesigned model that Apcupsd does not handle correctly. (APC is famous for not having a consistant interface, even model lines.) If so, you should post to the apcupsd mailing list where these kind of things get prompt attention. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
what software can support that UPS ?
seems like it is very badly made USB interface, all class data is empty, ugen1.3: ECO Pro Series UPS EVER at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON bLength = 0x0012 bDescriptorType = 0x0001 bcdUSB = 0x0101 bDeviceClass = 0x bDeviceSubClass = 0x bDeviceProtocol = 0x bMaxPacketSize0 = 0x0008 idVendor = 0x0403 idProduct = 0xe520 bcdDevice = 0x0400 iManufacturer = 0x0001 EVER iProduct = 0x0002 ECO Pro Series UPS iSerialNumber = 0x0003 ECOPRO00 bNumConfigurations = 0x0001 FreeBSD gives only ugen interface. what (if any) software support that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what software can support that UPS ?
/usr/ports/sysutils/apcupsd ? On 05/14/2012 14:06, Wojciech Puchar wrote: seems like it is very badly made USB interface, all class data is empty, ugen1.3: ECO Pro Series UPS EVER at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON bLength = 0x0012 bDescriptorType = 0x0001 bcdUSB = 0x0101 bDeviceClass = 0x bDeviceSubClass = 0x bDeviceProtocol = 0x bMaxPacketSize0 = 0x0008 idVendor = 0x0403 idProduct = 0xe520 bcdDevice = 0x0400 iManufacturer = 0x0001 EVER iProduct = 0x0002 ECO Pro Series UPS iSerialNumber = 0x0003 ECOPRO00 bNumConfigurations = 0x0001 FreeBSD gives only ugen interface. what (if any) software support that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what software can support that UPS ?
/usr/ports/sysutils/apcupsd ? ? - so what to give as device? /dev/ugen1.3? set UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb not set DEVICE as specified in comments for USB devices. can't find UPS. tried setting DEVICE to /dev/ugen1.3 - no avail. tried /usr/ports/sysutils/nut selected EVER driver, and set up /dev/ugen1.3 as port - driver fails. from what i found in linux groups it should work as USB HID device. but uhid doesn't attach. On 05/14/2012 14:06, Wojciech Puchar wrote: seems like it is very badly made USB interface, all class data is empty, ugen1.3: ECO Pro Series UPS EVER at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON bLength = 0x0012 bDescriptorType = 0x0001 bcdUSB = 0x0101 bDeviceClass = 0x bDeviceSubClass = 0x bDeviceProtocol = 0x bMaxPacketSize0 = 0x0008 idVendor = 0x0403 idProduct = 0xe520 bcdDevice = 0x0400 iManufacturer = 0x0001 EVER iProduct = 0x0002 ECO Pro Series UPS iSerialNumber = 0x0003 ECOPRO00 bNumConfigurations = 0x0001 FreeBSD gives only ugen interface. what (if any) software support that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what software can support that UPS ?
Wojciech Puchar writes: /usr/ports/sysutils/apcupsd ? ? - so what to give as device? /dev/ugen1.3? set UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb My BackUPS RS 500 works fine using those and a empty DEVICE field. It is possible this is a new/redesigned model that Apcupsd does not handle correctly. (APC is famous for not having a consistant interface, even model lines.) If so, you should post to the apcupsd mailing list where these kind of things get prompt attention. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what software can support that UPS ?
UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb My BackUPS RS 500 works fine using those and a empty DEVICE field. how your UPS shows in dmesg? It is possible this is a new/redesigned model that Apcupsd does not handle correctly. (APC is famous for not having a consistant interface, even model lines.) If so, you should post to the apcupsd mailing list where these kind of things get prompt attention. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
APC UPS Trip Lite - usb device keeps disconnecting
Gentlemen, I have recently purchased a small APC UPS unit for my office server. We have power outages from time to time that can last a couple of hours ( Mexico City ). I would like to setup apcupsd to automatically shutdown the server when there is a power outage. Upon connecting the UPS with a USB cable to the server I get this message : ugen1.2: Tripp Lite at usbus1 uhid1: Tripp Lite Tripp Lite UPS, class 0/0, rev 1.10/0.07, addr 2 on usbus1 And then about 20 seconds later : ugen1.2: Tripp Lite at usbus1 (disconnected) uhid1: at uhub1, port 2, addr 2 (disconnected) 20 seconds after that : ugen1.2: Tripp Lite at usbus1 uhid1: Tripp Lite Tripp Lite UPS, class 0/0, rev 1.10/0.07, addr 2 on usbus1 Another 20 seconds : ugen1.2: Tripp Lite at usbus1 (disconnected) uhid1: at uhub1, port 2, addr 2 (disconnected) So on and so forth forever. I'm using 8.2-STABLE. I cvsupd, builttheworld, installedtheworld and all that in hopes that would solve the problem. But unfortunately it did not. I was unable to find a similar situation in Google. Any help would be very appreciated. Thank you! - Jose from Mexico ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: APC UPS Trip Lite - usb device keeps disconnecting
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:29 AM, jbiskofski jbiskof...@gmail.com wrote: And then about 20 seconds later : ugen1.2: Tripp Lite at usbus1 (disconnected) uhid1: at uhub1, port 2, addr 2 (disconnected) 20 seconds after that : ugen1.2: Tripp Lite at usbus1 uhid1: Tripp Lite Tripp Lite UPS, class 0/0, rev 1.10/0.07, addr 2 on usbus1 I have a TrippLite UPS that does this too -- it seems to stop disconnecting once the monitoring software runs and connects to the device. I personally use Network UPS Tools for monitoring, but it was a bit more complicated to set up than when I used apcupsd back when I had an APC-branded UPS. Hope this helps, Matt Mullins ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 323, Issue 9, Message: 3 On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:18:01 -0500 Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote: On Aug 11, 2010, at 3:06 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, August 11, 2010 12:25 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: He thinks that at 500W needed it would give me about 12 minutes on a 1400VA. My consideration is, then, give the server 2 minutes on battery. If full power has not been returned, shut down the server but leave the modem (w/ wireless) and switch running with power for up to 6 hours. A bit of advice: If this is an unattended system, give some thought to how you will boot the server back up if the outage is longer than two minutes but shorter than six hours. Most UPS installations have *some* kind of race condition issue if power comes back after the servers have begun a shutdown, but in your case it's an unusually long window. Meaning that my 2-minute window is unusually long? If the UPS can support the system for 12 minutes, I say give it 20% of the life of the support because our power outages here are usually spikes that kill my current web server (but amazingly *not* my file server). In fact, one of those power fluxes occurred last night. I love storms for the light shows, but hate them for the toll they take on my servers. Indeed. Ryan, I'm coming in late but I've read the whole thread, after many people have added useful insights. However I must question your initial power estimate for this server; in your first post you said (cutting a bit): I am looking at a 1400VA / 980W UPS to run a single server with a usually not on monitor, a DSL modem and a simple switch. The server should generate about 330W in power consumption, the monitor another 50-100, the modem about 10 and the switch about another 10 watts. So: UPS: 1400VA Server: 400W (liberal estimate) Modem: 10W Switch: 10W Monitor: 75W Total: 495W First, forget the monitor. You said it's usually off anyway, as you'd expect on a server. Plug it into the mains directly as needed, not on the UPS. Or at least use DPMS to suspend it after a minute or so idle. Secondly, get a power meter and actually measure your server running. Unless it's a real monster, it will likely draw less than 200W in normal use, possibly much less if using powerd to moderate CPU speed by load. So I suspect you may get something like 5 times the full-load rated time out of your 1400VA UPS, maybe 20-25 minutes or so. 5 minutes should be a comfortable runtime, to shut it down with 70-80% capacity remaining. Thirdly, I'll second using another UPS (eg 300VA units are cheap) for powering other than your server. That way you can use features of your software (eg NUT) to properly signal the UPS to shutdown (irrevocably) just after your server shuts down, to get proper resumption when power returns. Should you get multiple successive on-battery then on-mains events, good UPSs will delay restarting until there's enough capacity to run another cycle, which time may be tunable for your requirements. Additionally I spent $34 on a video card today that reduces my power consumption by 150Watts, resulting in a $13 per month savings in my powerbill - in MN we have a fixed-rate utility fee structure per season (winter power costs less than summer, I believe, for whatever reason) and a $10 mail-in rebate on the card means I will be turning a net profit in 2 months! -- Ryan Sorry, I don't get why you'd run a video card using in excess of 150W on any server? Or is that for your hot gaming box? :) cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
Just going to reply to this one bit for now: The computer used to be a gaming computer, converted this past fall into a file server when I lacked time to play any games in a year. Additionally I spent $34 on a video card today that reduces my power consumption by 150Watts, resulting in a $13 per month savings in my powerbill - in MN we have a fixed-rate utility fee structure per season (winter power costs less than summer, I believe, for whatever reason) and a $10 mail-in rebate on the card means I will be turning a net profit in 2 months! -- Ryan Sorry, I don't get why you'd run a video card using in excess of 150W on any server? Or is that for your hot gaming box? :) cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
On Thu, August 12, 2010 8:14 pm, Al Plant wrote: #3. Thats why setting the bios not to self boot would work. (Stopping the bios from turning the server on after an outage.) Someone would have to check the power status manually before throwing the switch manually to make it come up after power has been restored. Also turning servers and some desktops off and on is many cases a bad idea. Yeah, that's why I prefaced my original misgivings by asking if this was an unattended system. If someone will be around to push the button, there's no need to worry about bringing the system back up automatically. But if someone's going to have to drive 50 miles on a weekend to do it, automatic start-up is a good idea. ;) Where I work we have most of our systems set to *not* power back up after an outage. This is deliberate; I can't guarantee that the air conditioners will come back on when power is restored, so I need to manually verify that they're working before all that heat-generating equipment is powered back on. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
On Wed, August 11, 2010 1:18 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: On Aug 11, 2010, at 3:06 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, August 11, 2010 12:25 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: He thinks that at 500W needed it would give me about 12 minutes on a 1400VA. My consideration is, then, give the server 2 minutes on battery. If full power has not been returned, shut down the server but leave the modem (w/ wireless) and switch running with power for up to 6 hours. A bit of advice: If this is an unattended system, give some thought to how you will boot the server back up if the outage is longer than two minutes but shorter than six hours. Most UPS installations have *some* kind of race condition issue if power comes back after the servers have begun a shutdown, but in your case it's an unusually long window. Meaning that my 2-minute window is unusually long? If the UPS can support the system for 12 minutes, I say give it 20% of the life of the support because our power outages here are usually spikes that kill my current web server (but amazingly *not* my file server). In fact, one of those power fluxes occurred last night. I love storms for the light shows, but hate them for the toll they take on my servers. Nope, 2 minutes is fine, maybe even short depending on how long your system takes to shut down. What I'm asking about is this scenario: 1. Power goes out. 2. Server shuts itself down after 2 minutes. 3. Power comes back on before the UPS batteries are exhausted. The server never sees a power cycle, so it doesn't boot itself back up until someone physically goes and pushes the button. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
On Aug 11, 2010, at 6:01 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, August 11, 2010 1:18 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: On Aug 11, 2010, at 3:06 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, August 11, 2010 12:25 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: He thinks that at 500W needed it would give me about 12 minutes on a 1400VA. My consideration is, then, give the server 2 minutes on battery. If full power has not been returned, shut down the server but leave the modem (w/ wireless) and switch running with power for up to 6 hours. A bit of advice: If this is an unattended system, give some thought to how you will boot the server back up if the outage is longer than two minutes but shorter than six hours. Most UPS installations have *some* kind of race condition issue if power comes back after the servers have begun a shutdown, but in your case it's an unusually long window. Meaning that my 2-minute window is unusually long? If the UPS can support the system for 12 minutes, I say give it 20% of the life of the support because our power outages here are usually spikes that kill my current web server (but amazingly *not* my file server). In fact, one of those power fluxes occurred last night. I love storms for the light shows, but hate them for the toll they take on my servers. Nope, 2 minutes is fine, maybe even short depending on how long your system takes to shut down. What I'm asking about is this scenario: 1. Power goes out. 2. Server shuts itself down after 2 minutes. 3. Power comes back on before the UPS batteries are exhausted. The server never sees a power cycle, so it doesn't boot itself back up until someone physically goes and pushes the button. Good points. I just want to make sure it has a safe shutdown (the usual reason for a UPS) but it will be set with a BIOS turn on time if it is not on. This is for a mirrored archive that updates overnight. If it is in the middle of the process it will kill and shut off. Most power outages in my area are 1) during the hottest days of the summer - like today and 2) last less than 60 seconds. It's biggest draw is to give it a steady stream of power. -- Ryan___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
Oliver Fromme wrote: Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote: He thinks that at 500W needed it would give me about 12 minutes on a 1400VA. That W and VA numbers of the UPS are pretty much irrelevant, because they tell nothing about the capacity of the battery. Those numbers only give an upper limit on the power that the UPS can handle (i.e. you cannot connect devices totalling 800 W to a 500 W UPS, for example). In order to be able to estimate how long the UPS can power wattage, you need to know the capacity of the battery. The capacity is usually given in Ah units (Ampere hours). For example, a battery with 10 Ah capacity can deliver 10 Ampere for 1 hour, or 20 Ampere for 30 minutes, or 30 Ampere for 20 Minutes ... and so on. At a typical battery voltage of 12 V, 30 A would be 360 W. So, theoretically a 10 Ah battery would be able to hold devices that use 360 W for about 20 Minutes. In practice it will be less because no UPS has 100% efficiency. Best regards Oliver Another often overlooked detail is how long the battery will last. These amp-hour figures are all for new batteries, and the number of discharge/charge cycles has some effect over time as well. Generally speaking when a UPS just sits there and does very little the batteries are like new for the first two years. Somewhere into year 3 they begin to nose over the derating curve. So at year 3.75 they will have signifigantly less full power runtime than when new. The quality of manufacture for the batteries controls this, for example with lead-acid how much metal goes into the plates. I admit to being bitten a time or two: There is a certain tendency to put the UPS in the rack and walk away and forget all about it. I've learned the hard way to keep records so I can replace weak batteries in a timely fashion. Or this happens: But that server should have been able to stay up 20 minutes instead of crashing at 7 minutes... -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, August 11, 2010 1:18 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: On Aug 11, 2010, at 3:06 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, August 11, 2010 12:25 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: He thinks that at 500W needed it would give me about 12 minutes on a 1400VA. My consideration is, then, give the server 2 minutes on battery. If full power has not been returned, shut down the server but leave the modem (w/ wireless) and switch running with power for up to 6 hours. A bit of advice: If this is an unattended system, give some thought to how you will boot the server back up if the outage is longer than two minutes but shorter than six hours. Most UPS installations have *some* kind of race condition issue if power comes back after the servers have begun a shutdown, but in your case it's an unusually long window. Meaning that my 2-minute window is unusually long? If the UPS can support the system for 12 minutes, I say give it 20% of the life of the support because our power outages here are usually spikes that kill my current web server (but amazingly *not* my file server). In fact, one of those power fluxes occurred last night. I love storms for the light shows, but hate them for the toll they take on my servers. Nope, 2 minutes is fine, maybe even short depending on how long your system takes to shut down. What I'm asking about is this scenario: 1. Power goes out. 2. Server shuts itself down after 2 minutes. 3. Power comes back on before the UPS batteries are exhausted. The server never sees a power cycle, so it doesn't boot itself back up until someone physically goes and pushes the button. ## I have had these power dips and surges here in Hawaii. I have installed UPS power from two stationary batters that will run the servers for 12 hours. We have experienced extensive outages in the past and this was our only solution. Surges are almost impossible to stop. I have them jump cross a surge protector. I have recently had several UPS Desktop backups fail from a surge and then a drop below 70 v. This caused the UPS to have the charging diodes blow. It was cheaper to replace the UPS 's than to repair them. #3. The motherboard bios can be set to stop a server from self booting from a power outage. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
On Aug 12, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Al Plant wrote: David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, August 11, 2010 1:18 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: On Aug 11, 2010, at 3:06 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, August 11, 2010 12:25 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: He thinks that at 500W needed it would give me about 12 minutes on a 1400VA. My consideration is, then, give the server 2 minutes on battery. If full power has not been returned, shut down the server but leave the modem (w/ wireless) and switch running with power for up to 6 hours. A bit of advice: If this is an unattended system, give some thought to how you will boot the server back up if the outage is longer than two minutes but shorter than six hours. Most UPS installations have *some* kind of race condition issue if power comes back after the servers have begun a shutdown, but in your case it's an unusually long window. Meaning that my 2-minute window is unusually long? If the UPS can support the system for 12 minutes, I say give it 20% of the life of the support because our power outages here are usually spikes that kill my current web server (but amazingly *not* my file server). In fact, one of those power fluxes occurred last night. I love storms for the light shows, but hate them for the toll they take on my servers. Nope, 2 minutes is fine, maybe even short depending on how long your system takes to shut down. What I'm asking about is this scenario: 1. Power goes out. 2. Server shuts itself down after 2 minutes. 3. Power comes back on before the UPS batteries are exhausted. The server never sees a power cycle, so it doesn't boot itself back up until someone physically goes and pushes the button. ## I have had these power dips and surges here in Hawaii. I have installed UPS power from two stationary batters that will run the servers for 12 hours. We have experienced extensive outages in the past and this was our only solution. Surges are almost impossible to stop. I have them jump cross a surge protector. I have recently had several UPS Desktop backups fail from a surge and then a drop below 70 v. This caused the UPS to have the charging diodes blow. It was cheaper to replace the UPS 's than to repair them. #3. The motherboard bios can be set to stop a server from self booting from a power outage. Yes. The downside comes from when the BIOS is told to turn on the server at, say, 10pm and the power is still out... it starts the process and runs out of battery mid-way through the boot before it gets the chance to load the UPS controller. -- Ryan___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
On Aug 12, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: Yes. The downside comes from when the BIOS is told to turn on the server at, say, 10pm and the power is still out... it starts the process and runs out of battery mid-way through the boot before it gets the chance to load the UPS controller. You may want to think about using two UPS units -- a large one for your server, and a smaller one for your network stack. This way you can use UPS monitoring software (like NUT or PowerChute) to have the server command its UPS to switch off when it's fully shut down. Then when power comes back the server UPS will switch back on and the server will boot back up, assuming you've set the BIOS to boot up on power recovery. Some UPS units have the ability to set a power recovery delay to ensure the battery has some charge before the server starts up, too. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:49 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: On Aug 12, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: Yes. The downside comes from when the BIOS is told to turn on the server at, say, 10pm and the power is still out... it starts the process and runs out of battery mid-way through the boot before it gets the chance to load the UPS controller. You may want to think about using two UPS units -- a large one for your server, and a smaller one for your network stack. This way you can use UPS monitoring software (like NUT or PowerChute) to have the server command its UPS to switch off when it's fully shut down. Then when power comes back the server UPS will switch back on and the server will boot back up, assuming you've set the BIOS to boot up on power recovery. Some UPS units have the ability to set a power recovery delay to ensure the battery has some charge before the server starts up, too. Great idea, I'll definitely keep that in mind. -- Ryan___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
Ryan Coleman wrote: On Aug 12, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Al Plant wrote: David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, August 11, 2010 1:18 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: On Aug 11, 2010, at 3:06 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, August 11, 2010 12:25 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: He thinks that at 500W needed it would give me about 12 minutes on a 1400VA. My consideration is, then, give the server 2 minutes on battery. If full power has not been returned, shut down the server but leave the modem (w/ wireless) and switch running with power for up to 6 hours. A bit of advice: If this is an unattended system, give some thought to how you will boot the server back up if the outage is longer than two minutes but shorter than six hours. Most UPS installations have *some* kind of race condition issue if power comes back after the servers have begun a shutdown, but in your case it's an unusually long window. Meaning that my 2-minute window is unusually long? If the UPS can support the system for 12 minutes, I say give it 20% of the life of the support because our power outages here are usually spikes that kill my current web server (but amazingly *not* my file server). In fact, one of those power fluxes occurred last night. I love storms for the light shows, but hate them for the toll they take on my servers. Nope, 2 minutes is fine, maybe even short depending on how long your system takes to shut down. What I'm asking about is this scenario: 1. Power goes out. 2. Server shuts itself down after 2 minutes. 3. Power comes back on before the UPS batteries are exhausted. The server never sees a power cycle, so it doesn't boot itself back up until someone physically goes and pushes the button. ## I have had these power dips and surges here in Hawaii. I have installed UPS power from two stationary batters that will run the servers for 12 hours. We have experienced extensive outages in the past and this was our only solution. Surges are almost impossible to stop. I have them jump cross a surge protector. I have recently had several UPS Desktop backups fail from a surge and then a drop below 70 v. This caused the UPS to have the charging diodes blow. It was cheaper to replace the UPS 's than to repair them. #3. The motherboard bios can be set to stop a server from self booting from a power outage. Yes. The downside comes from when the BIOS is told to turn on the server at, say, 10pm and the power is still out... it starts the process and runs out of battery mid-way through the boot before it gets the chance to load the UPS controller. #3. Thats why setting the bios not to self boot would work. (Stopping the bios from turning the server on after an outage.) Someone would have to check the power status manually before throwing the switch manually to make it come up after power has been restored. Also turning servers and some desktops off and on is many cases a bad idea. Example: I was called out today to look at a desktop that was turned off while the user went away for a month. It did not survive the turn on. Corrosion took its toll on the mobo and fans. The humidity was the cause. No humidity in the case when the unit is on and fans (3 of them) are working. Hope you can solve your problem. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
UPS question
I know that APC's website states this load on this unit results in this runtime. However I do not trust these figures, typically, when coming from smaller manufacturers than APC. I am looking at a 1400VA / 980W UPS to run a single server with a usually not on monitor, a DSL modem and a simple switch. The server should generate about 330W in power consumption, the monitor another 50-100, the modem about 10 and the switch about another 10 watts. So: UPS: 1400VA Server: 400W (liberal estimate) Modem: 10W Switch: 10W Monitor: 75W Total: 495W According to a calculator if I enter all that information: http://www.csgnetwork.com/upssizecalc.html It says that it will use 693VA. Enter that into http://www.csgnetwork.com/batterylifecalc.html It requires Amps... 495W / 120 voltage = 4.125 amps... doesn't seem right but... 192 hours... that's not right, right? -- Ryan___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
Hi, Ryan-- On Aug 11, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: Total: 495W According to a calculator if I enter all that information: http://www.csgnetwork.com/upssizecalc.html It says that it will use 693VA. That sounds reasonable. The better PSUs have 80 Plus certification for efficiency, and that's better than the typical wall warts used for modems and switches and the like commonly manage. (The efficiency they're assuming is a bit over 70%; using 80% would be around 600VA.) Enter that into http://www.csgnetwork.com/batterylifecalc.html It requires Amps... 495W / 120 voltage = 4.125 amps... doesn't seem right but... 192 hours... that's not right, right? Assume for discussion their number was right. In order to get 495W of output load, the UPS needs to provide 693 volt-amps of juice to your equipment. After the inverter and 10:1 stepup transformer used to convert 12VDC or whatever the UPS batteries are charged to up to 120VAC, the current needed would be 5.77 amps. However, the 12VDC battery source itself would be getting a draw of 57 amps (ideally; again, the inverter+transformer themselves might only rate about 90% efficiency for very good quality UPS, so would be drawing more like 60 or 65 amps). A standard APC/Tripplite/whatever 700VA UPS tend so have a lead-acid battery reasonably similar to a car battery, and typically will have around 100 amp-hours of charge; they'd probably give you 90 minutes of backup time. But you can look up the detailed specs of specific models and work from their amp-hour (or watt-hour) ratings-- actually, I think I'm guestimating more from what a 1200VA unit might provide, and a 700VA model is probably going to provide more like 40-60 minutes of power... Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
Thanks, Chuck. I talked with a former colleague that has a lot of experience in specing out UPS requirements (between battery-ready and generator-ready backups at the office they have up to 5 minutes of battery backup before the gas generator is needed with a 128-hour recharge time just to support their servers and wiring racks in the office). He thinks that at 500W needed it would give me about 12 minutes on a 1400VA. My consideration is, then, give the server 2 minutes on battery. If full power has not been returned, shut down the server but leave the modem (w/ wireless) and switch running with power for up to 6 hours. Now I need to build a server (looking at RAID5 8x2TB) for less than $1600 w/o a CPU if I can... a local custom builder quoted me $4000 today for a full system inc. CPU, RAM and DVD. -- Ryan On Aug 11, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote: Hi, Ryan-- On Aug 11, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: Total: 495W According to a calculator if I enter all that information: http://www.csgnetwork.com/upssizecalc.html It says that it will use 693VA. That sounds reasonable. The better PSUs have 80 Plus certification for efficiency, and that's better than the typical wall warts used for modems and switches and the like commonly manage. (The efficiency they're assuming is a bit over 70%; using 80% would be around 600VA.) Enter that into http://www.csgnetwork.com/batterylifecalc.html It requires Amps... 495W / 120 voltage = 4.125 amps... doesn't seem right but... 192 hours... that's not right, right? Assume for discussion their number was right. In order to get 495W of output load, the UPS needs to provide 693 volt-amps of juice to your equipment. After the inverter and 10:1 stepup transformer used to convert 12VDC or whatever the UPS batteries are charged to up to 120VAC, the current needed would be 5.77 amps. However, the 12VDC battery source itself would be getting a draw of 57 amps (ideally; again, the inverter+transformer themselves might only rate about 90% efficiency for very good quality UPS, so would be drawing more like 60 or 65 amps). A standard APC/Tripplite/whatever 700VA UPS tend so have a lead-acid battery reasonably similar to a car battery, and typically will have around 100 amp-hours of charge; they'd probably give you 90 minutes of backup time. But you can look up the detailed specs of specific models and work from their amp-hour (or watt-hour) ratings-- actually, I think I'm guestimating more from what a 1200VA unit might provide, and a 700VA model is probably going to provide more like 40-60 minutes of power... Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
On Wed, August 11, 2010 12:25 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: He thinks that at 500W needed it would give me about 12 minutes on a 1400VA. My consideration is, then, give the server 2 minutes on battery. If full power has not been returned, shut down the server but leave the modem (w/ wireless) and switch running with power for up to 6 hours. A bit of advice: If this is an unattended system, give some thought to how you will boot the server back up if the outage is longer than two minutes but shorter than six hours. Most UPS installations have *some* kind of race condition issue if power comes back after the servers have begun a shutdown, but in your case it's an unusually long window. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
On Aug 11, 2010, at 3:06 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, August 11, 2010 12:25 pm, Ryan Coleman wrote: He thinks that at 500W needed it would give me about 12 minutes on a 1400VA. My consideration is, then, give the server 2 minutes on battery. If full power has not been returned, shut down the server but leave the modem (w/ wireless) and switch running with power for up to 6 hours. A bit of advice: If this is an unattended system, give some thought to how you will boot the server back up if the outage is longer than two minutes but shorter than six hours. Most UPS installations have *some* kind of race condition issue if power comes back after the servers have begun a shutdown, but in your case it's an unusually long window. Meaning that my 2-minute window is unusually long? If the UPS can support the system for 12 minutes, I say give it 20% of the life of the support because our power outages here are usually spikes that kill my current web server (but amazingly *not* my file server). In fact, one of those power fluxes occurred last night. I love storms for the light shows, but hate them for the toll they take on my servers. Additionally I spent $34 on a video card today that reduces my power consumption by 150Watts, resulting in a $13 per month savings in my powerbill - in MN we have a fixed-rate utility fee structure per season (winter power costs less than summer, I believe, for whatever reason) and a $10 mail-in rebate on the card means I will be turning a net profit in 2 months! -- Ryan___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UPS question
Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote: He thinks that at 500W needed it would give me about 12 minutes on a 1400VA. That W and VA numbers of the UPS are pretty much irrelevant, because they tell nothing about the capacity of the battery. Those numbers only give an upper limit on the power that the UPS can handle (i.e. you cannot connect devices totalling 800 W to a 500 W UPS, for example). In order to be able to estimate how long the UPS can power wattage, you need to know the capacity of the battery. The capacity is usually given in Ah units (Ampere hours). For example, a battery with 10 Ah capacity can deliver 10 Ampere for 1 hour, or 20 Ampere for 30 minutes, or 30 Ampere for 20 Minutes ... and so on. At a typical battery voltage of 12 V, 30 A would be 360 W. So, theoretically a 10 Ah battery would be able to hold devices that use 360 W for about 20 Minutes. In practice it will be less because no UPS has 100% efficiency. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Passwords are like underwear. You don't share them, you don't hang them on your monitor or under your keyboard, you don't email them, or put them on a web site, and you must change them very often. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD and UPS
The vendor of our new server, tells me that an APC Smart-UPS 2200VA or APC Smart-UPS 3000VA does not have software for automatic shutdown when power is lost, which is compatible with FreeBSD, it is only compatible with Windows and Linux. Is this true? Has someone experience with that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD and UPS
In response to Pieter Donche pieter.don...@ua.ac.be: The vendor of our new server, tells me that an APC Smart-UPS 2200VA or APC Smart-UPS 3000VA does not have software for automatic shutdown when power is lost, which is compatible with FreeBSD, it is only compatible with Windows and Linux. Is this true? Has someone experience with that? It's probably true. However, just because APC doesn't supply software officially supported by FreeBSD, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I've had good success with ports/sysutils/apcupsd/ -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD and UPS
Yes ! There is a very good soft called apcupsd. I am working in Angola and have had a lot of problems with electricity // until I have discovered this soft. It works perfectly with the apc network card (It came as an option on my APC 1500). I have setup apcupsd to use snmp (this seems to be the most stable use). I was very surprised because the soft did shutdown the server automatically when the UPS went out of battery… and I had not tested that (lack of time). So the soft even went beyond my expectations… Port: apcupsd-3.14.5 Path: /usr/ports/sysutils/apcupsd Info: Set of programs for controlling APC UPS Maint: ite...@freebsd.org B-deps: gettext-0.17_1 gmake-3.81_3 libiconv-1.11_1 net-snmp-5.4.2.1_2 perl-5.8.9_2 R-deps: net-snmp-5.4.2.1_2 perl-5.8.9_2 WWW:http://www.apcupsd.com Le 6 mars 09 à 16:04, Pieter Donche a écrit : The vendor of our new server, tells me that an APC Smart-UPS 2200VA or APC Smart-UPS 3000VA does not have software for automatic shutdown when power is lost, which is compatible with FreeBSD, it is only compatible with Windows and Linux. Is this true? Has someone experience with that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Gregober --- PGP ID -- 0x1BA3C2FD bsd @at@ todoo.biz P Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD and UPS
install apcupsd from ports On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Pieter Donche wrote: The vendor of our new server, tells me that an APC Smart-UPS 2200VA or APC Smart-UPS 3000VA does not have software for automatic shutdown when power is lost, which is compatible with FreeBSD, it is only compatible with Windows and Linux. Is this true? Has someone experience with that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD and UPS
I am working in Angola and have had a lot of problems with electricity // until I have discovered this soft. It works perfectly with the apc network card (It came as an option on my APC 1500). I have setup apcupsd to use snmp (this seems to be the most stable use). I was very surprised because the soft did shutdown the server automatically when the UPS went out of battery? and I had not tested that (lack of time). So the soft even went beyond my expectations? it is important too to make sure BIOS settings are set to automatically power up computer when power is present. by default it will not until you press a button ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
UPS Gembird 1200VA
hi, i have received an Gembird UPS 1200 VA for one of the servers and i am trying to get it work. The main problem is that the cd came with a compiled aplication for linux and with linux_base-fc8 installed it does not detect it. the apcupsd does not recognize it either. is there a way to make this work under FreeBSD? #usbdevs -d addr 1: UHCI root hub, VIA uhub0 addr 2: UPS USB MON V1.4, ? ugen0 #uname -a FreeBSD bkvideo 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #1: Tue Dec 9 11:23:41 UTC 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BKVIDEO i386 Thank you, -- Octavian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UPS Gembird 1200VA
Octavian Ionescu wrote: hi, i have received an Gembird UPS 1200 VA for one of the servers and i am trying to get it work. The main problem is that the cd came with a compiled aplication for linux and with linux_base-fc8 installed it does not detect it. the apcupsd does not recognize it either. is there a way to make this work under FreeBSD? #usbdevs -d addr 1: UHCI root hub, VIA uhub0 addr 2: UPS USB MON V1.4, ? ugen0 #uname -a FreeBSD bkvideo 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #1: Tue Dec 9 11:23:41 UTC 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BKVIDEO i386 Thank you, I am not familiar with this model, but you could try sysutils/nut. It supports a large number os UPSes. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A silent UPS - (A little OT, I know...)
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 08:24 +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 01:02 +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Da Rock wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 23:45 +0200, Erik Cederstrand wrote: Da Rock wrote: This may sound like a strange question, but is there a way to mute the voice box of a UPS? I have a highly specialised application for one- I need a mobile desktop pc (very cheap). I need to setup a pc for my little girl so that she has music, video, and visualisations while she's in her cot- which is mobile and moved from room to room. So I don't want to shutdown the pc when in transit, and I certainly don't want any shrieks when I unplug the power... Just crack open the UPS box and cut the wires to the loudspeaker :-) I thought of that- but how do you do that with those little sealed units? I'm looking at a small consumer unit around 500-700VA. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got a couple of cheap APC models (RS500). You can turn off all their alert signals using the apcupsd ( sysutils/apcupsd) program ( which is of course used for automatic shutdowns). The setting is stored in UPS memory (probably flash or EEPROM) and is retained. This is good actually, since one of these is pretty close to my bedroom ;) So it can be switched off with the software? That could work for me... I just confirmed with APC regarding this software setting, and they confirmed it- but stated categorically that only the Window$ software of their making could do it. Can you confirm the BSD software will do it? I think I shocked the guy when he suggested just hook up to another windows box to change the setting, then put it on whatever machine I wanted, and I told him that was near impossible- I wouldn't corrupt my network with M$!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A silent UPS - (A little OT, I know...)
Da Rock wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 08:24 +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 01:02 +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Da Rock wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 23:45 +0200, Erik Cederstrand wrote: Da Rock wrote: This may sound like a strange question, but is there a way to mute the voice box of a UPS? I have a highly specialised application for one- I need a mobile desktop pc (very cheap). I need to setup a pc for my little girl so that she has music, video, and visualisations while she's in her cot- which is mobile and moved from room to room. So I don't want to shutdown the pc when in transit, and I certainly don't want any shrieks when I unplug the power... Just crack open the UPS box and cut the wires to the loudspeaker :-) I thought of that- but how do you do that with those little sealed units? I'm looking at a small consumer unit around 500-700VA. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got a couple of cheap APC models (RS500). You can turn off all their alert signals using the apcupsd ( sysutils/apcupsd) program ( which is of course used for automatic shutdowns). The setting is stored in UPS memory (probably flash or EEPROM) and is retained. This is good actually, since one of these is pretty close to my bedroom ;) So it can be switched off with the software? That could work for me... I just confirmed with APC regarding this software setting, and they confirmed it- but stated categorically that only the Window$ software of their making could do it. Can you confirm the BSD software will do it? I think I shocked the guy when he suggested just hook up to another windows box to change the setting, then put it on whatever machine I wanted, and I told him that was near impossible- I wouldn't corrupt my network with M$!!! I assure you, apcupsd has this option. Here is a direct paste from my freebsd server: Please select the function you want to perform. 1) Test kill UPS power 2) Perform self-test 3) Read last self-test result 4) Change battery date 5) View battery date 6) View manufacturing date 7) Set alarm behavior 8) Set sensitivity 9) Quit Select function number: 7 Current alarm setting: DISABLED Press... E to Enable alarms D to Disable alarms Q to Quit with no changes Your choice: You can access this by running apctest as root. It is installed as part of sysutils/apcupsd. You should however stop the apcupsd monitoring daemon before running apctest. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A silent UPS - (A little OT, I know...)
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 16:35 +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Da Rock wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 08:24 +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 01:02 +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Da Rock wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 23:45 +0200, Erik Cederstrand wrote: Da Rock wrote: This may sound like a strange question, but is there a way to mute the voice box of a UPS? I have a highly specialised application for one- I need a mobile desktop pc (very cheap). I need to setup a pc for my little girl so that she has music, video, and visualisations while she's in her cot- which is mobile and moved from room to room. So I don't want to shutdown the pc when in transit, and I certainly don't want any shrieks when I unplug the power... Just crack open the UPS box and cut the wires to the loudspeaker :-) I thought of that- but how do you do that with those little sealed units? I'm looking at a small consumer unit around 500-700VA. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got a couple of cheap APC models (RS500). You can turn off all their alert signals using the apcupsd ( sysutils/apcupsd) program ( which is of course used for automatic shutdowns). The setting is stored in UPS memory (probably flash or EEPROM) and is retained. This is good actually, since one of these is pretty close to my bedroom ;) So it can be switched off with the software? That could work for me... I just confirmed with APC regarding this software setting, and they confirmed it- but stated categorically that only the Window$ software of their making could do it. Can you confirm the BSD software will do it? I think I shocked the guy when he suggested just hook up to another windows box to change the setting, then put it on whatever machine I wanted, and I told him that was near impossible- I wouldn't corrupt my network with M$!!! I assure you, apcupsd has this option. Here is a direct paste from my freebsd server: Please select the function you want to perform. 1) Test kill UPS power 2) Perform self-test 3) Read last self-test result 4) Change battery date 5) View battery date 6) View manufacturing date 7) Set alarm behavior 8) Set sensitivity 9) Quit Select function number: 7 Current alarm setting: DISABLED Press... E to Enable alarms D to Disable alarms Q to Quit with no changes Your choice: You can access this by running apctest as root. It is installed as part of sysutils/apcupsd. You should however stop the apcupsd monitoring daemon before running apctest. I figured this was the case of M$ misinformation again. Cool- I've made the right choice then. I ordered one based on the fact that at worst I could run either window$ in a VM, or wine, or that window$ lookalike in a VM. But this is much better... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A silent UPS - (A little OT, I know...)
This may sound like a strange question, but is there a way to mute the voice box of a UPS? I have a highly specialised application for one- I need a mobile desktop pc (very cheap). I need to setup a pc for my little girl so that she has music, video, and visualisations while she's in her cot- which is mobile and moved from room to room. So I don't want to shutdown the pc when in transit, and I certainly don't want any shrieks when I unplug the power... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A silent UPS - (A little OT, I know...)
In response to Da Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This may sound like a strange question, but is there a way to mute the voice box of a UPS? I have a highly specialised application for one- I need a mobile desktop pc (very cheap). I need to setup a pc for my little girl so that she has music, video, and visualisations while she's in her cot- which is mobile and moved from room to room. So I don't want to shutdown the pc when in transit, and I certainly don't want any shrieks when I unplug the power... Last I checked, that was called a laptop. If for some incomprehensible reason a laptop doesn't work then the answer is going to be specific to the brand/model of UPS you have. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A silent UPS - (A little OT, I know...)
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 17:10 -0400, Bill Moran wrote: In response to Da Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This may sound like a strange question, but is there a way to mute the voice box of a UPS? I have a highly specialised application for one- I need a mobile desktop pc (very cheap). I need to setup a pc for my little girl so that she has music, video, and visualisations while she's in her cot- which is mobile and moved from room to room. So I don't want to shutdown the pc when in transit, and I certainly don't want any shrieks when I unplug the power... Last I checked, that was called a laptop. If for some incomprehensible reason a laptop doesn't work then the answer is going to be specific to the brand/model of UPS you have. grins I have 2 of those, and both in use... Plus, she can't use a keyboard yet, so I don't want clutter- the unit will be hidden away, and only screen will be seen by the child (ATM anyway). And, again, costs are an issue... I don't have one yet, but I was hoping someone might have a suggestion as to which one might be capable of switching off the audio alert. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A silent UPS - (A little OT, I know...)
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 23:45 +0200, Erik Cederstrand wrote: Da Rock wrote: This may sound like a strange question, but is there a way to mute the voice box of a UPS? I have a highly specialised application for one- I need a mobile desktop pc (very cheap). I need to setup a pc for my little girl so that she has music, video, and visualisations while she's in her cot- which is mobile and moved from room to room. So I don't want to shutdown the pc when in transit, and I certainly don't want any shrieks when I unplug the power... Just crack open the UPS box and cut the wires to the loudspeaker :-) I thought of that- but how do you do that with those little sealed units? I'm looking at a small consumer unit around 500-700VA. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A silent UPS - (A little OT, I know...)
Da Rock wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 23:45 +0200, Erik Cederstrand wrote: Da Rock wrote: This may sound like a strange question, but is there a way to mute the voice box of a UPS? I have a highly specialised application for one- I need a mobile desktop pc (very cheap). I need to setup a pc for my little girl so that she has music, video, and visualisations while she's in her cot- which is mobile and moved from room to room. So I don't want to shutdown the pc when in transit, and I certainly don't want any shrieks when I unplug the power... Just crack open the UPS box and cut the wires to the loudspeaker :-) I thought of that- but how do you do that with those little sealed units? I'm looking at a small consumer unit around 500-700VA. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got a couple of cheap APC models (RS500). You can turn off all their alert signals using the apcupsd ( sysutils/apcupsd) program ( which is of course used for automatic shutdowns). The setting is stored in UPS memory (probably flash or EEPROM) and is retained. This is good actually, since one of these is pretty close to my bedroom ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A silent UPS - (A little OT, I know...)
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 07:49:27AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: I don't have one yet, but I was hoping someone might have a suggestion as to which one might be capable of switching off the audio alert. Open up the box. Find the wires to the speaker, and cut them. ;-) Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgp700V8RlOXn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A silent UPS - (A little OT, I know...)
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 01:02 +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Da Rock wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 23:45 +0200, Erik Cederstrand wrote: Da Rock wrote: This may sound like a strange question, but is there a way to mute the voice box of a UPS? I have a highly specialised application for one- I need a mobile desktop pc (very cheap). I need to setup a pc for my little girl so that she has music, video, and visualisations while she's in her cot- which is mobile and moved from room to room. So I don't want to shutdown the pc when in transit, and I certainly don't want any shrieks when I unplug the power... Just crack open the UPS box and cut the wires to the loudspeaker :-) I thought of that- but how do you do that with those little sealed units? I'm looking at a small consumer unit around 500-700VA. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got a couple of cheap APC models (RS500). You can turn off all their alert signals using the apcupsd ( sysutils/apcupsd) program ( which is of course used for automatic shutdowns). The setting is stored in UPS memory (probably flash or EEPROM) and is retained. This is good actually, since one of these is pretty close to my bedroom ;) So it can be switched off with the software? That could work for me... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UPS / USB / system reboot
Hello, I am running apcupsd. Toady we had several power failures. One of them lasted longer than the UPS was able to sustain. So: Mon Feb 18 15:21:06 CET 2008 Power failure. Mon Feb 18 15:21:12 CET 2008 Running on UPS batteries. Mon Feb 18 16:40:19 CET 2008 Battery power exhausted. Mon Feb 18 16:40:19 CET 2008 Initiating system shutdown! Mon Feb 18 16:40:19 CET 2008 User logins prohibited Mon Feb 18 16:40:19 CET 2008 Attempting to kill the UPS power! Mon Feb 18 16:40:25 CET 2008 UPS will power off after 180 seconds ... Mon Feb 18 16:40:25 CET 2008 Please power off your UPS before rebooting your computer ... Mon Feb 18 16:40:57 CET 2008 apcupsd exiting, signal 15 Mon Feb 18 16:40:57 CET 2008 apcupsd shutdown succeeded First of all, I am not really sure why it says to power off UPS before reboot. It often happens that with power failuers there's no one around. Secondly, the system was unable to reboot, not sure but the culprit seems to be this entry in fstab: /dev/ad3s1d/backup ufs rw 2 2 ad3s1d is a USB hard drive. It is normally unmounted and I think it was unmounted while power failure occured. Why would it cause problem while system is resuming operation? Feb 18 16:40:25 lists apcupsd[493]: Please power off your UPS before rebooting your computer ... Feb 18 16:40:25 lists shutdown: halt by root: apcupsd initiated shutdown Feb 18 16:40:57 lists rc.shutdown: 30 second watchdog timeout expired. Shutdown terminated. Feb 18 16:40:57 lists init: /bin/sh on /etc/rc.shutdown terminated abnormally, going to single user mode Feb 18 16:40:57 lists syslogd: exiting on signal 15 The result was I had to come to the site and fsck, then comment out the /backup line in fstab. Only then the system was able to start. Otherwise it complained about not being able to find /backup or the like but I cannot now find the precise message in logs. Your advice is greatly appreciated! -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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/dev/ad3s1d/backup ufs rw 2 2 ad3s1d is a USB hard drive. It is normally unmounted and I think it so add noauto after rw ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, 2008/2/18, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: /dev/ad3s1d/backup ufs rw 2 2 ad3s1d is a USB hard drive. It is normally unmounted and I think it so add noauto after rw Thanks! A lot! -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AAARRRGH: network foul-ups.
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The trouble is that two of my machines report the identical
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Be sure to flush old entries from: /var/lib/dhclient/dhclient.leases on
DHCP Clients
~BAS
tao2 was 10.0.0.250. Today I switched the names in
/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf, shutdown, and rebooted my
mailserver--also my DNS server--and the two other computers.
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Yeah, and also make sure that both machine are reporting the correct I{s in
their arp databases. You use the arp -a to list, take a look at the man
page arp(8). Arp is one way to enter aliases onto your local net.
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Re: AAARRRGH: network foul-ups.
On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 18:38 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: The trouble is that two of my machines report the identical private IP: 10.0.0.250. Previously tao was 10.0.0.247 and Be sure to flush old entries from: /var/lib/dhclient/dhclient.leases on DHCP Clients ~BAS tao2 was 10.0.0.250. Today I switched the names in /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf, shutdown, and rebooted my mailserver--also my DNS server--and the two other computers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AAARRRGH: network foul-ups.
The trouble is that two of my machines report the identical private IP: 10.0.0.250. Previously tao was 10.0.0.247 and tao2 was 10.0.0.250. Today I switched the names in /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf, shutdown, and rebooted my mailserver--also my DNS server--and the two other computers. Whenever I reboot my new tao2 (used to be 10.0.0.247) is reports its IP as 10.0.0.250. Anybody know how I've screw this up?? thanks in advancem gary -- Gary Kline Sr. Systems Admin, Thought Unlimited [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Looking for some inpiration with UPS setup
NetOpsCenter wrote: Christopher Key wrote: I've a FreeBSD fileserver, a solid state router (Linksys box running OpenWRT) and a couple of gigabit switches that I'd like to move onto a UPS (I'm primarily looking at the APC Smart-UPS line). I have a similar setup in my noc shed. I got 2 old APC units that a client had replaced and attached a 120 AMP stationery batteries to them. They will power the switch, 3 servers and KVM switches and a monitor for 6 hours uninterrupted. It's not pretty to look at but is stable and does the job nicely. I'm rather pressed for space, this gear is in a tiny cupboard also storing the traditional contents of a utility room and garage. I'd manged to allow myself 1 shelf, 30cm x 50cm x 20cm for the UPS gear. That might just be enough space to squeeze in a UPS and a 120Ah SLA battery, which would keep both up for at least 6h, hopefully enough to span most outages. For outages longer than that, I'd probably not mind losing my DHCP leases anyway. Are there any specific requirements for the attached batteries, or will any 12V SLA battery suffice? It's just a shame that no UPS units offer a WOL option for waking up attached equipment. Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Looking for some inpiration with UPS setup
Christopher Key wrote: NetOpsCenter wrote: Christopher Key wrote: I've a FreeBSD fileserver, a solid state router (Linksys box running OpenWRT) and a couple of gigabit switches that I'd like to move onto a UPS (I'm primarily looking at the APC Smart-UPS line). I have a similar setup in my noc shed. I got 2 old APC units that a client had replaced and attached a 120 AMP stationery batteries to them. They will power the switch, 3 servers and KVM switches and a monitor for 6 hours uninterrupted. It's not pretty to look at but is stable and does the job nicely. I'm rather pressed for space, this gear is in a tiny cupboard also storing the traditional contents of a utility room and garage. I'd manged to allow myself 1 shelf, 30cm x 50cm x 20cm for the UPS gear. That might just be enough space to squeeze in a UPS and a 120Ah SLA battery, which would keep both up for at least 6h, hopefully enough to span most outages. For outages longer than that, I'd probably not mind losing my DHCP leases anyway. Are there any specific requirements for the attached batteries, or will any 12V SLA battery suffice? It's just a shame that no UPS units offer a WOL option for waking up attached equipment. Hi, I wonder why it is such a big deal to keep the leases? Why not asssign static IP's to everything instead if it is a small setup? Just curious... --per ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Looking for some inpiration with UPS setup
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:33:34 + Christopher Key [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've a FreeBSD fileserver, a solid state router (Linksys box running OpenWRT) and a couple of gigabit switches that I'd like to move onto a UPS (I'm primarily looking at the APC Smart-UPS line). The requirements for the FreeBSD system are pretty simple, it's not likely to be of any use if the power's out, so after a few minutes to allow any files open over the network to be saved, it should perform an orderly shutdown and remain off until the power returns. However, the router is a little different. It maintains some state information in RAM (dhcp leases etc) that I'd prefer not to lose during a short power outage, and it would also be useful to retain internet access, so ideally I'd like the router and switches to stay up for as long as the battery lasts in the UPS. Space and budget are limited, so ideally I'd like to achieve all this with a single UPS, which is where the problems arise. As I understant it, when the UPS wants to wake the attached machines up, it power cycles its output. This however will reset the router, which was what I was hoping to avoid. Looking at the relative power requirements, I suspect your Linksys WRT box would likely draw 12W max and perhaps a good deal less (check its specs or measure it) whereas your server + switches might draw 10 times that, even without a monitor staying on. (P-166 or 3GHz quad-core? :) Given you're using a main UPS that needs to cycle power to restart your server (presumably powered off by 'shutdown -p +1 message for syslog' ONO after several minutes running on UPS battery) then using a tiny UPS to run your router separately makes good sense. Have a look at, for example, http://phk.freebsd.dk/soekris/ups/ which supplies 12V for a Soekris 4501/4801 but could easily be adapted if the Linksys isn't happy with 12VDC input. A 12Ah SLA battery could run the Soekris at 6W (.5A) for maybe 20 hrs. The 250/12VAC transformer needed is likely in a nearby junkbox as a plugpak for some external modem, or you could use many 12-15VDC @1A unregulated supplies, which include the transformer and the first rectifier .. even more old modems used these. Meanwhile your larger (3-500VA?) UPS can look after your server etc. I've thought around the problem for some time, but not come up with any convincing solutions: 1) Use some sort of WOL command from the router to the FreeBSD system rather than having the UPS power cycle its output. How does the router know the power's returned? Can the UPS be set not to power cycle its power output when the power returns? No idea about the former, and I don't know if OpenWRT could be made to listen to the UPS and act on it - anything's possible I guess - but if the UPS is still running when power returns, it has to cycle power to wakeup the server somehow, or you need some sort of external swiching. 2) Use a second cheap UPS to 'protect' the router whilst the primary UPS cycles its power output. This seems rather crude, and would presumably reduce the battery life of the primary UPS due the losses in the second UPS. As above .. if the second UPS is small, it will be relatively efficient for its load, and can be run from the mains rather than the primary UPS. Anything bigger than 12Ah (or even 7Ah) for the router UPS is overkill, and it's more efficient to run the router on DC than its plugpak anyway. 3) Have the UPS wake the PC via some other means. USB would seem to ideal choice, but the motherboard won't do a wake on USB from S5, and I'm can't find a UPS with an ethernet interface. Some older laptops, at least, were reputed to do wake-on-serial input, but I'm not sure if that would work with (serial) UPS wiring or not. 4) KISS. Buy two smaller, cheapers UPS units. Or buy one, get one (nearly) free from the junkbox and a few bits from the local electronics store. Coopt a friendly engineering student if you're wary about the bit of soldering or choosing components. Generally: don't shutdown your server too soon .. I don't know about your situation, but here at least most blackouts, brownouts and surges last just a few seconds, sometimes short enough to reset server A while server B sails through, but outages more than a few minutes are much rarer (and are then likely to last perhaps hours). Sometimes power will come back for a few seconds then quit again, and you don't want too much stop/start, so if you can persuade your UPS to wait for a minute or so of good power before cycling its output back on, so much the safer. Cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Looking for some inpiration with UPS setup
Hello, Apolgies for the slightly OT post, but I'm hoping that some of the ammased expertise might be able to suggest a solution. I've a FreeBSD fileserver, a solid state router (Linksys box running OpenWRT) and a couple of gigabit switches that I'd like to move onto a UPS (I'm primarily looking at the APC Smart-UPS line). The requirements for the FreeBSD system are pretty simple, it's not likely to be of any use if the power's out, so after a few minutes to allow any files open over the network to be saved, it should perform an orderly shutdown and remain off until the power returns. However, the router is a little different. It maintains some state information in RAM (dhcp leases etc) that I'd prefer not to lose during a short power outage, and it would also be useful to retain internet access, so ideally I'd like the router and switches to stay up for as long as the battery lasts in the UPS. Space and budget are limited, so ideally I'd like to achieve all this with a single UPS, which is where the problems arise. As I understant it, when the UPS wants to wake the attached machines up, it power cycles its output. This however will reset the router, which was what I was hoping to avoid. I've thought around the problem for some time, but not come up with any convincing solutions: 1) Use some sort of WOL command from the router to the FreeBSD system rather than having the UPS power cycle its output. How does the router know the power's returned? Can the UPS be set not to power cycle its power output when the power returns? 2) Use a second cheap UPS to 'protect' the router whilst the primary UPS cycles its power output. This seems rather crude, and would presumably reduce the battery life of the primary UPS due the losses in the second UPS. 3) Have the UPS wake the PC via some other means. USB would seem to ideal choice, but the motherboard won't do a wake on USB from S5, and I'm can't find a UPS with an ethernet interface. 4) KISS. Buy two smaller, cheapers UPS units. Does anyone have any clever ideas for a solution? Any thoughts much appreciated. -- Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what kind of UPS will work best?
Hi,
the *why*. Is there a best type to save me from this? Do any of
these power supplies come with scripts to shutdown a Unix {or
Linux} computer? Is there a UPS that is designed for heavy use
and a very short (5- to 10-second) uptime? I'll need one that can
interface thru the COM ports or the UBS port, if that is how
these devices work.
Sorry if I jump in the thread. When it comes to detecting a power
outage and shutingdown nicely your server, a cheap/easy way is for the
server (on the UPS) to check through the network for a low grade PC
(not on the UPS). If the low grade PC is down, it means the power is
off and the server should consider a shutdown.
Dirty trick, but it works.
Best regards,
Olivier
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RE: what kind of UPS will work best?
Hi Gary,
I've owned and worked with at least a dozen different UPS brands.
The best UPS I have - which I have right now powering several systems,
is a Best Power Ferrups FE series. I don't think they make it anymore,
sorry!
As for the APC units - the APC standby units are everyone's whore.
I have a collection of them that have failed for a variety of reasons.
They have their problems.
The worst part about the APC units are the batteries. If you decide
to go APC, when it comes time to replace the batteries you -must- buy
the most expensive lead acid gel cells you can find. You cannot put in
the cheap Chinese batteries and have them last. The reason is that
APC has deliberately calibrated their charging circuitry to fast-charge
the batteries and they use fast charge curves that will destroy the
cheap batteries very quickly. By contrast most everyone else in the
industry uses feedback circuits that measure how fast the battery is
taking a recharge and will not boil dry the cheap batteries. Last time
I changed batteries in my Best unit was 9/2004 and they are still going
strong and I used the cheap Chinese batteries. By contrast all the
APC units I had which I got the same cheap batteries for, have dead
batteries in them now.
Now, it may be in the brand new APC's they have changed things. I
noticed in the last new APC unit we sold that APC had switched to
cheaper cells from Better Battery rather than the more spendy cells
from Panasonic that they used in their older UPSes. But, I still think
there are better deals to be had.
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Hi Folks,
Recently, a storm happened and the power surge blew me
off-line. Time to get serious about buying a UPS that will
handle my four main servers for at-most, a 10-second power
outage. After that, shut down my computers. It took me 90
minutes of up and down and crawling around last time. That's
the *why*. Is there a best type to save me from this? Do any of
these power supplies come with scripts to shutdown a Unix {or
Linux} computer? Is there a UPS that is designed for heavy use
and a very short (5- to 10-second) uptime? I'll need one that can
interface thru the COM ports or the UBS port, if that is how
these devices work.
tia,
gary
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Re: what kind of UPS will work best?
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 11:36 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, Ray wrote: On Monday 08 October 2007 8:36:39 pm Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, Rob wrote: think. Most the draw in a residence is the HVAC. what is this? HVAC? Heating Ventilation Air Conditioning move the machine around to be used for heating during winter. Compared to that PCs are a minor consumer. Erich Just my 2 cents. As others have said, go with APC. I just recently hooked up a 2200XL rack mounted unit which is running 6 servers. A recent calibration test showed that the unit will run these servers for about 3 hours before it's absolutely necessary to shut down the power. Another nice thing about the APC's is that you can find SNMP/Web modules for some of their units which will generate SNMP traps when events occur with the power. I'm using apcupsd from the ports collection to control the servers in the event of a long term power outage. It has a configurable master/slave mode. You connect the master to the UPS and then slave from the master to other servers. My UPS and server are older so the connection between them is serial. You may get different results with newer hardware that is USB or if you choose to go the SNMP route. -- Chris -- __o All I was doing was trying to get home from work. _`\,_ -Rosa Parks ___(*)/_(*)___ Christopher Sean Hiltonchris | at | vindaloo.com pgp key: D0957A2D/f5 30 0a e1 55 76 9b 1f 47 0b 07 e9 75 0e 14 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: what kind of UPS will work best?
On October 08, 2007 at 10:41PM Bart Silverstrim wrote: [snip] what is this? HVAC? Heating and air conditioning, I believe. No? HVAC (pronounced either H-V-A-C or, occasionally, H-VAK) is an initialism/acronym that stands for heating, ventilation, and air conditioning. HVAC may also stand for High-voltage alternating current -- Gerard ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what kind of UPS will work best?
On Sunday 07 October 2007, Gary Kline wrote: First, thank to both you and Bart for your cmments. You were *right* about the price. Can I assume that a ballpark would be 400W for each server? (My wife is right: I've got to cut back to three computers:-) I've found one APC 2200VA with a 17minute uptime. 3 times 400W, yes? I think this is overkill. Some time ago I was wondering the same thing and to verify my guess on the overall power usage of my servers I bought a VA/Watts meter (EUR. 39,-). Turns out average wattage is about 90watts per server idle and max 130watts under load. On powerup they will use a max. of 180watts for less than a second. The servers are simple dual cores with about 2 harddisks each. (no screens or other devices attached) Also, the powerfactor was ~0,95 so that means that for every Watt of apparent power (VA) almost a Watt of real power was used. Thus, for my servers I would need something like a 500Watt/600VA UPS. So my advice is: don't guess but measure. Cheers, Pieter de Goeje ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what kind of UPS will work best?
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 02:36:05AM +0200, Pieter de Goeje wrote: On Sunday 07 October 2007, Gary Kline wrote: First, thank to both you and Bart for your cmments. You were *right* about the price. Can I assume that a ballpark would be 400W for each server? (My wife is right: I've got to cut back to three computers:-) I've found one APC 2200VA with a 17minute uptime. 3 times 400W, yes? I think this is overkill. Some time ago I was wondering the same thing and to verify my guess on the overall power usage of my servers I bought a VA/Watts meter (EUR. 39,-). Turns out average wattage is about 90watts per server idle and max 130watts under load. On powerup they will use a max. of 180watts for less than a second. The servers are simple dual cores with about 2 harddisks each. (no screens or other devices attached) Also, the powerfactor was ~0,95 so that means that for every Watt of apparent power (VA) almost a Watt of real power was used. Thus, for my servers I would need something like a 500Watt/600VA UPS. So my advice is: don't guess but measure. Thanks a lot. I was thinking of doing something like this; maybe an ammeter to see how much power each server draws; then (possiibly add a bit for reserve). I'm looking at this as a long-time project. Not rushing to do something completely foolish. So the more accuracy, the better! gary Cheers, Pieter de Goeje ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pieter de Goeje wrote: verify my guess on the overall power usage of my servers I bought a VA/Watts meter (EUR. 39,-). Turns out average wattage is about 90watts per server idle and max 130watts under load. On powerup they will use a max. of 180watts for I've got one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001 Works nicely for measuring cumulative power usage. APC's web site also has a selector with very model-specific power consumption figures: http://www.apc.com/tools/ups_selector/index.cfm -Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 02:05:17PM -0400, Rob wrote: Pieter de Goeje wrote: verify my guess on the overall power usage of my servers I bought a VA/Watts meter (EUR. 39,-). Turns out average wattage is about 90watts per server idle and max 130watts under load. On powerup they will use a max. of 180watts for I've got one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001 Works nicely for measuring cumulative power usage. APC's web site also has a selector with very model-specific power consumption figures: http://www.apc.com/tools/ups_selector/index.cfm Outstanding; thanks++ for the URL for the watt/amp/volt/Hz/VA meter. I just ordred one. Also for the ups_selector page. I'll need help getting the daemon and getting everything squared away, but that's months away. gary -Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what kind of UPS will work best?
Gary Kline wrote: Outstanding; thanks++ for the URL for the watt/amp/volt/Hz/VA meter. I just ordred one. Also for the ups_selector page. Glad to help. When you're experimenting with the meter, remember that for many devices you need to plug it in for a couple days to average out the load. Like a refrigerator, where the defrost only kicks in every few days. No so big a deal on computers, but you'll still get more accurate numbers. I saw one online review of the thing where the author was testing devices for less than an hour at a time, which is NOT going to give any accurate results. Some of my discoveries: CRTs that don't go into low power mode suck obscene amounts of power. Refrigerators aren't as bad a you might think. Most the draw in a residence is the HVAC. I'll send you (off list) a spreadsheet I was using to track stuff. -Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Rob wrote: think. Most the draw in a residence is the HVAC. what is this? HVAC? Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, Rob wrote: think. Most the draw in a residence is the HVAC. what is this? HVAC? Heating and air conditioning, I believe. No? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 08 October 2007 8:36:39 pm Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, Rob wrote: think. Most the draw in a residence is the HVAC. what is this? HVAC? Heating Ventilation Air Conditioning Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Ray wrote: On Monday 08 October 2007 8:36:39 pm Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, Rob wrote: think. Most the draw in a residence is the HVAC. what is this? HVAC? Heating Ventilation Air Conditioning move the machine around to be used for heating during winter. Compared to that PCs are a minor consumer. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 11:12:00AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, there are basically two types of UPS' around: online and stand-by or fly-by. The online version is much more expensive but also much better in critical conditions. Gary Kline wrote: Hi Folks, Recently, a storm happened and the power surge blew me off-line. Time to get serious about buying a UPS that will handle my four main servers for at-most, a 10-second power You have the choice between four individual boxes or one big box. Cases like this let the online version shine. Stand-by versions fail pretty often especially if you have a neighbour around running big engines powered directly from the power lines. Even big air-cons can cause the problems. Linux} computer? Is there a UPS that is designed for heavy use and a very short (5- to 10-second) uptime? I'll need one that can I do not think that it is a good advice to go for 10 second uptime. Take a rating fitting your machines (400W power rating for the machine, 600VA for the UPS) with at least 10 minutes uptime. APC supplies you with both types of UPS. All APC I have seen failing were of the fly-by type, all other were the online version. I think, it will be the same for any other brand. But do not drop dead when you see the price difference. This will be money well spend. First, thank to both you and Bart for your cmments. You were *right* about the price. Can I assume that a ballpark would be 400W for each server? (My wife is right: I've got to cut back to three computers:-) I've found one APC 2200VA with a 17minute uptime. 3 times 400W, yes? The first thing is to be sure of getting large enough UPS to bridge the few-seconds power outtages or fraction/section surges. So I need help there. Another question or two can wait. thanks for any further clues! gary Erich -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what kind of UPS will work best?
Hi, Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 11:12:00AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: *right* about the price. Can I assume that a ballpark would be 400W for each server? (My wife is right: I've got to cut back to three computers:-) I've found one APC 2200VA with a 17minute uptime. 3 times 400W, yes? there are other factors which affect this. It is the current peak when a PC starts and the phase shift it causes. The phase shift should not be a problem but the peak. I would not bother as long as you do not switch the computers on in parallel. The first thing is to be sure of getting large enough UPS to bridge the few-seconds power outtages or fraction/section surges. If they define 17 minutes, this device will be good for you. Just get the online version to avoid surprises later. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
what kind of UPS will work best?
Hi Folks,
Recently, a storm happened and the power surge blew me
off-line. Time to get serious about buying a UPS that will
handle my four main servers for at-most, a 10-second power
outage. After that, shut down my computers. It took me 90
minutes of up and down and crawling around last time. That's
the *why*. Is there a best type to save me from this? Do any of
these power supplies come with scripts to shutdown a Unix {or
Linux} computer? Is there a UPS that is designed for heavy use
and a very short (5- to 10-second) uptime? I'll need one that can
interface thru the COM ports or the UBS port, if that is how
these devices work.
tia,
gary
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Re: what kind of UPS will work best?
Gary Kline wrote:
Hi Folks,
Recently, a storm happened and the power surge blew me
off-line. Time to get serious about buying a UPS that will
handle my four main servers for at-most, a 10-second power
outage. After that, shut down my computers. It took me 90
minutes of up and down and crawling around last time. That's
the *why*. Is there a best type to save me from this?
APC makes GREAT UPS's and have good support. I once blew out an APC by
miswiring a switch on a computer (don't ask). I called tech support,
they agreed that what I told them had happened shouldn't have happened,
and shipped me a new UPS for free, without any hassle. From that point
on, I swore I'd go APC first.
Do any of
these power supplies come with scripts to shutdown a Unix {or
Linux} computer?
Not that I know of...there's daemons you can install for that purpose,
though.
Is there a UPS that is designed for heavy use
and a very short (5- to 10-second) uptime?
Generally you need to add up your power requirements and match the load
to the UPS's power rating.
I'll need one that can
interface thru the COM ports or the UBS port, if that is how
these devices work.
Today it's common to have a USB interface.
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Re: what kind of UPS will work best?
Hi, there are basically two types of UPS' around: online and stand-by or fly-by. The online version is much more expensive but also much better in critical conditions. Gary Kline wrote: Hi Folks, Recently, a storm happened and the power surge blew me off-line. Time to get serious about buying a UPS that will handle my four main servers for at-most, a 10-second power You have the choice between four individual boxes or one big box. Cases like this let the online version shine. Stand-by versions fail pretty often especially if you have a neighbour around running big engines powered directly from the power lines. Even big air-cons can cause the problems. Linux} computer? Is there a UPS that is designed for heavy use and a very short (5- to 10-second) uptime? I'll need one that can I do not think that it is a good advice to go for 10 second uptime. Take a rating fitting your machines (400W power rating for the machine, 600VA for the UPS) with at least 10 minutes uptime. APC supplies you with both types of UPS. All APC I have seen failing were of the fly-by type, all other were the online version. I think, it will be the same for any other brand. But do not drop dead when you see the price difference. This will be money well spend. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FBSD-friendly UPS for home needs
Hello, I am going to get a UPS device for my home freebsd gateway/router and wonder if there is anything that you would recommend? At work I use APC units and there is a dedicated software to manage it (apcupsd). Not sure if that's the case with other manufacturers? I'd like to get something that could be managed by software and at the some time not too expensive... you know home budget...erm... Well, many thanks for all recommendations! Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FBSD-friendly UPS for home needs
Zbigniew Szalbot writes: I am going to get a UPS device for my home freebsd gateway/router and wonder if there is anything that you would recommend? At work I use APC units and there is a dedicated software to manage it (apcupsd). Not sure if that's the case with other manufacturers? I'd like to get something that could be managed by software and at the some time not too expensive... you know home budget...erm... Assuming the manufacturer does not provide a program - and few do - the preferred software for APC (and compatible) units is apcupsd; for others, it seems to be nut (sysutils/nut). Check carefully to make sure it works with your UPS. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FBSD-friendly UPS for home needs
On Saturday 25 August 2007 12:53:19 Robert Huff wrote: Zbigniew Szalbot writes: I am going to get a UPS device for my home freebsd gateway/router and wonder if there is anything that you would recommend? At work I use APC units and there is a dedicated software to manage it (apcupsd). Not sure if that's the case with other manufacturers? I'd like to get something that could be managed by software and at the some time not too expensive... you know home budget...erm... Assuming the manufacturer does not provide a program - and few do - the preferred software for APC (and compatible) units is apcupsd; for others, it seems to be nut (sysutils/nut). Check carefully to make sure it works with your UPS. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ill put in another vote for an APC with sysutile/apcupsd. here is some example output of the what the software pulls from the unit: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ apcaccess APC : 001,037,0912 DATE : Sat Aug 25 12:57:45 CDT 2007 HOSTNAME : athena.dfwlp.com RELEASE : 3.14.1 VERSION : 3.14.1 (04 May 2007) freebsd UPSNAME : Athena APC RS 1500 CABLE: USB Cable MODEL: Back-UPS RS 1500 UPSMODE : Stand Alone STARTTIME: Sat Aug 25 07:56:21 CDT 2007 STATUS : ONLINE LINEV: 118.0 Volts LOADPCT : 18.0 Percent Load Capacity BCHARGE : 100.0 Percent TIMELEFT : 49.0 Minutes MBATTCHG : 5 Percent MINTIMEL : 3 Minutes MAXTIME : 0 Seconds SENSE: High LOTRANS : 097.0 Volts HITRANS : 138.0 Volts ALARMDEL : Always BATTV: 27.1 Volts LASTXFER : Low line voltage NUMXFERS : 0 TONBATT : 0 seconds CUMONBATT: 0 seconds XOFFBATT : N/A SELFTEST : NO STATFLAG : 0x0708 Status Flag MANDATE : 2006-09-19 SERIALNO : BBlalalalalalalalala BATTDATE : 2001-09-25 NOMINV : 120 NOMBATTV : 24.0 FIRMWARE : 8.g9 .D USB FW:g9 APCMODEL : Back-UPS RS 1500 END APC : Sat Aug 25 12:57:49 CDT 2007 (as you can see, its USB connected too, which is a nice convenience) cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FBSD-friendly UPS for home needs
At 11:15 AM 8/25/2007, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, I am going to get a UPS device for my home freebsd gateway/router and wonder if there is anything that you would recommend? At work I use APC units and there is a dedicated software to manage it (apcupsd). Not sure if that's the case with other manufacturers? I'd like to get something that could be managed by software and at the some time not too expensive... you know home budget...erm... Well, many thanks for all recommendations! Zbigniew Szalbot I use nut from the ports. I have had no problem with UPS's that have a serial interface. Some USB interfaces work, some do not. So I would use a UPS with a seral interface assuming you have a free serial port on the server. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, that's the case with other manufacturers? I'd like to get something that could be managed by software and at the some time not too expensive... you know home budget...erm... I use nut from the ports. I have had no problem with UPS's that have a serial interface. Some USB interfaces work, some do not. So I would use a UPS with a seral interface assuming you have a free serial port on the server. Thank you - thank you very much for all the responses. Very helpful. Have a nice week-end. Regards, -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.slowo.pl www.lcwords.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UPS enabled Shutdown
Jonathan Horne wrote: On Sunday 24 June 2007 07:18:56 Ivan Carey wrote: Hello, How do I setup FreeBSD 6.2 to allow a UPS to shutdown a system via a USB port. I may be using a Powerware UPS, I'm not sure which one yet. Thanks, Ivan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you havent made your UPS purchase yet (and as long as you dont have a prewired hatred of APC), sysutils/apcupsd works flawlessly for me, for both serial and USB interface'd APCs. cheers, I haven't purchased a UPS yet. Does apcupsd send shutdown messages to Windows users logged into the server via Samba or does it only send it to users logged directly into FreeBSD? Reading the apcusbd manual I noticed it said that to access the RETURNCHARGE setting in the ups you need to be connected via a serial port. Do you use a Serial or USB connection? I am thinking of purchasing an APC SUA1500I model. Thanks, Ivan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD 6.2 and UPS (Zebra) LP 2844 Printer USB
Hello! I'm trying to attach a UPS (United Parcel Services) LP 2844 printer to my FreeBSD box (6.2-STABLE) via a USB cable. My goal is to share this label printer on my internal network via SAMBA/CUPS. I believe this printer is essentially the same as the Zebra LP 2844 model. When I connect the USB cable, I get the following message on the root console: uhub0: port 1, set config at addr 2 failed uhub0: device problem (STALLED), disabling port 1 I've searched google and the archives looking for the solution and I'll I really found was some info on /dev permissions. So, my /etc/rc.conf has: devfs_system_ruleset=login and /etc/devfs.rules has: [login=100] add path 'unlpt*' mode 0660 group cups add path 'ulpt*' mode 0660 group cups add path 'lpt*' mode 0660 group cups This doesn't seem to fix the issue. Needless to say, CUPS doesn't see this printer at all. Has anyone successfully attached this printer? I'm running on a Dell PowerEdge 400SC machine with world and ports updated within the last week. Thanks! Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UPS enabled Shutdown
Hello, How do I setup FreeBSD 6.2 to allow a UPS to shutdown a system via a USB port. I may be using a Powerware UPS, I'm not sure which one yet. Thanks, Ivan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UPS enabled Shutdown
On Jun 24, 2007, at 7:18 AM, Ivan Carey wrote: Hello, How do I setup FreeBSD 6.2 to allow a UPS to shutdown a system via a USB port. I may be using a Powerware UPS, I'm not sure which one yet. I use the apcupsd port in sysutils. I'm not sure whether it supports your Powerware UPS though. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UPS enabled Shutdown
On Sunday 24 June 2007 07:18:56 Ivan Carey wrote: Hello, How do I setup FreeBSD 6.2 to allow a UPS to shutdown a system via a USB port. I may be using a Powerware UPS, I'm not sure which one yet. Thanks, Ivan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you havent made your UPS purchase yet (and as long as you dont have a prewired hatred of APC), sysutils/apcupsd works flawlessly for me, for both serial and USB interface'd APCs. cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UPS enabled Shutdown
Ivan Carey wrote: Hello, How do I setup FreeBSD 6.2 to allow a UPS to shutdown a system via a USB port. I may be using a Powerware UPS, I'm not sure which one yet. Thanks, Ivan As others said, if you get an APC then apcupsd works flawlessly. I am using it myself on both Linux and FreeBSD. If you do buy something else though, have a look at /usr/ports/sysutils/nut This is the network ups tools program that supports a variety of UPSes and is very configurable. Have a look at their website and see if it supports your intended model. I have not used the BSD port myself, but I am using it with a cheap mustek ups on Linux and it works without problems. Manolis ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: APCUPSD with Belkin Model F6C900-UNV UPS on FreeBSD 6.2?
O/H L Goodwin έγραψε: I'm still looking for the right UPS for a server running FreeBSD 6.2. Staples has the Belkin Enterprise Series 900VA UPS (model F6C900-UNV) on sale for $89.99. Will apcupsd on FreeBSD 6.2 work with this unit??? Theoretically no (http://www.apcupsd.org/manual/Supported_UPSes_Cables.html) unless someone with hands-on experience on this unit can say otherwise. -- RTFM and STFW before anything bad happens _ Thanos Rizoulis Electronic Computing Systems Engineer Larissa, Greece FreeBSD/PCBSD user ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
APCUPSD with Belkin Model F6C900-UNV UPS on FreeBSD 6.2?
I'm still looking for the right UPS for a server running FreeBSD 6.2. Staples has the Belkin Enterprise Series 900VA UPS (model F6C900-UNV) on sale for $89.99. Will apcupsd on FreeBSD 6.2 work with this unit??? FYI, I'm posting to freebsd-questions because I've had zero replies to my posts about three different UPS brands/models to the apcupsd-user mailing list. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CyberPower UPS and PowerPanel Linux daemon on FreeBSD
I need to buy a UPS for a FreeBSD 6.2 fileserver. The APC model I was going to buy is over-priced at local stores, so I'm looking at other brands available locally. The CyberPower CP800AVR 800VA/450W UPS has USB and RS-232 ports and supports auto-shutdown for Linux (and Mac OS X). Would the Linux daemon will work for FreeBSD, and if so, is the installation/configuration on FreeBSD going to be the same as for Linux? Here's a link to the Linux User's Guide containing install instructions: http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/downloads/PPPLinux1.0.3.pdf Thanks! We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CyberPower UPS and PowerPanel Linux daemon on FreeBSD
L Goodwin wrote: The CyberPower CP800AVR 800VA/450W UPS has USB and RS-232 ports and supports auto-shutdown for Linux (and Mac OS X). Although I don't have the answer to your question I did want to put in a good word for that precise model. I've had mine for some time and remain quite satisfied, although it's connected to a windows machine drawing around 180W. (a surplus 2.5KW boat anchor build before USB was available backs up the fbsd machines...) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CyberPower UPS and PowerPanel Linux daemon on FreeBSD
On May 7, 2007, at 12:55 PM, L Goodwin wrote: I need to buy a UPS for a FreeBSD 6.2 fileserver. The APC model I was going to buy is over-priced at local stores, so I'm looking at other brands available locally. The CyberPower CP800AVR 800VA/450W UPS has USB and RS-232 ports and supports auto-shutdown for Linux (and Mac OS X). I am fairly confident that apcupsd (in ports) will support many cyberpower UPSes, but I haven't found a definitive statement. You may wish to ask on the apcupsd-users mailing list. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using nut-ups with apc UPS on USB
I still have one server running 5.X release. 5.X also should automatically generate the devs. Do you have support for usb in your kernel? If you do have usb compiled in your kernel, check your dmesg that the usb devices are properly being identified. -Derek At 07:27 PM 3/27/2007, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 27/03/07 Derek Ragona said: Which FreeBSD version are you running? In 6.X the devs are created automatically on bootup. In earlier versions you may need to make it. Look at the Makefile in /dev for the correct make option. I'm running 5-STABLE. I don't see a Makefile in /dev. Mike -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using nut-ups with apc UPS on USB
On 28/03/07 Derek Ragona said: I still have one server running 5.X release. 5.X also should automatically generate the devs. Do you have support for usb in your kernel? If you do have usb compiled in your kernel, check your dmesg that the usb devices are properly being identified. It's there. ugen0: APC Back-UPS ES 500 FW:824.B1.D USB FW:B1, rev 1.10/1.06, addr 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# usbdevs addr 1: OHCI root hub, SiS addr 2: Back-UPS ES 500 FW:824.B1.D USB FW:B1, APC addr 1: OHCI root hub, SiS Hmm, seems that I have it now. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls -l /dev/usb* crw-rw 1 root operator 240, 255 Mar 24 11:07 /dev/usb crw-rw 1 root operator 240, 0 Mar 24 11:07 /dev/usb0 crw-rw 1 root operator 240, 1 Mar 24 11:07 /dev/usb1 Mike pgp9dBRRXH3H3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: using nut-ups with apc UPS on USB
On 26/03/07 Derek Ragona said: I use nut-ups on a number of systems both attached to a UPS and some as network slaves. In all my systems I use UPS's that have serial interfaces and USB, but connect them via serial. If you read the docs on nut-ups you will see some drivers do support the USB's. You will need to specify the port in ups.conf typically in /usr/local/etc/nut The line would be: port = /dev/usb0 You can experiment with the port to get the right one. Nut will tell you if is can or cannot talk to the UPS. I don't seem to have a /dev/usb0 device file. Do I need to mknod it? Mike pgpDmhloIoKNX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: using nut-ups with apc UPS on USB
Which FreeBSD version are you running? In 6.X the devs are created automatically on bootup. In earlier versions you may need to make it. Look at the Makefile in /dev for the correct make option. -Derek At 05:39 PM 3/27/2007, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 26/03/07 Derek Ragona said: I use nut-ups on a number of systems both attached to a UPS and some as network slaves. In all my systems I use UPS's that have serial interfaces and USB, but connect them via serial. If you read the docs on nut-ups you will see some drivers do support the USB's. You will need to specify the port in ups.conf typically in /usr/local/etc/nut The line would be: port = /dev/usb0 You can experiment with the port to get the right one. Nut will tell you if is can or cannot talk to the UPS. I don't seem to have a /dev/usb0 device file. Do I need to mknod it? Mike -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using nut-ups with apc UPS on USB
On 27/03/07 Derek Ragona said: Which FreeBSD version are you running? In 6.X the devs are created automatically on bootup. In earlier versions you may need to make it. Look at the Makefile in /dev for the correct make option. I'm running 5-STABLE. I don't see a Makefile in /dev. Mike pgpZUIIzjtp4l.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: using nut-ups with apc UPS on USB
I use nut-ups on a number of systems both attached to a UPS and some as network slaves. In all my systems I use UPS's that have serial interfaces and USB, but connect them via serial. If you read the docs on nut-ups you will see some drivers do support the USB's. You will need to specify the port in ups.conf typically in /usr/local/etc/nut The line would be: port = /dev/usb0 You can experiment with the port to get the right one. Nut will tell you if is can or cannot talk to the UPS. -Derek At 09:18 PM 3/25/2007, Michael P. Soulier wrote: Hey, I'm new to using nut-ups, or any UPS monitoring software. Mainly I want some kind of reporting on power failures, and for a clean shutdown in the event of a prolonged outage. The UPS is an APC Back-UPS ES 500, with a USB interface. With usbd running, usbdevs shows it connected. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ sudo usbdevs Password: addr 1: OHCI root hub, SiS addr 2: Back-UPS ES 500 FW:824.B1.D USB FW:B1, APC addr 1: OHCI root hub, SiS The syntax of upsd.conf requires a pathname for the port to talk do. What device file would this work out to? Any hints on setting this up? If nut-ups isn't the right software, I'm open to suggestions. Cheers, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
using nut-ups with apc UPS on USB
Hey, I'm new to using nut-ups, or any UPS monitoring software. Mainly I want some kind of reporting on power failures, and for a clean shutdown in the event of a prolonged outage. The UPS is an APC Back-UPS ES 500, with a USB interface. With usbd running, usbdevs shows it connected. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ sudo usbdevs Password: addr 1: OHCI root hub, SiS addr 2: Back-UPS ES 500 FW:824.B1.D USB FW:B1, APC addr 1: OHCI root hub, SiS The syntax of upsd.conf requires a pathname for the port to talk do. What device file would this work out to? Any hints on setting this up? If nut-ups isn't the right software, I'm open to suggestions. Cheers, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using nut-ups with apc UPS on USB
On Mar 25, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Michael P. Soulier wrote: Hey, I'm new to using nut-ups, or any UPS monitoring software. Mainly I want some kind of reporting on power failures, and for a clean shutdown in the event of a prolonged outage. The UPS is an APC Back-UPS ES 500, with a USB interface. [...] Any hints on setting this up? If nut-ups isn't the right software, I'm open to suggestions. I'm not familiar with nut-ups, but I've been very happy with apcupsd (in ports/sysutils). I am using an APC Back-UPS XS 1200. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to choose an UPS?
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 13:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to buy an UPS. What should I know and take into account to choose a proper one? Elisej Babenko You may want to buy what fits your budget and still be good on features. I would generally recommend on buying an APC UPS. It has good life and pretty good features too. They came in various models, you may want to check out their website. http://www.apc.com Usually, if you are willing to interface the UPS with your Computer, like it should automatically shutdown the computer when there's a power failure, then you may want to buy one with USB support. But I am not sure that you can interface it with FreeBSD. It can be done with Linux and Windows. :) -- Regards, Amit. http://copperskullcprogramming.blogspot.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to choose an UPS?
If you are going to interface it with the FreeBSD for automatic shutdown, etc. Look at the port for nut in /usr/ports/sysutils. This supports only serial port models in the stable version but supports USB in the experimental version. I use the stable version and have bought Belkin's that have both USB and serial ports on their units for monitoring. This is in their line for UPS-networking. These are pretty good priced too. -Derek At 01:44 AM 11/28/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to buy an UPS. What should I know and take into account to choose a proper one? Elisej Babenko ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
