On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 16:23 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 07:07:36AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:43 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > > > > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a pa
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 07:07:36AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:43 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > > > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted
> > > > > above, is verboten.
> > >
> > > E
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:22:31PM -0800, Brian Whalen wrote:
> Chad Perrin wrote:
> >
> >Tell that to the uncountable hordes of dedicated Linux users who don't
> >know what they're missing and, as such, see no reason to even give
> >FreeBSD a try.
> >
> Many Linux people I know still think FreeB
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:13:38PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> >So, we end up splitting the potential FreeBSD users between Ubuntu and
> >Fedora with more of them going to Ubuntu because not quite as many become
>
> very nice. after trying FreeBSD they WILL get back to linux (and then
> w
Chad Perrin wrote:
Tell that to the uncountable hordes of dedicated Linux users who don't
know what they're missing and, as such, see no reason to even give
FreeBSD a try.
Many Linux people I know still think FreeBSD SMP sucks, that combined
with a lack of journaling filesystem on BSD gives
Guys, enough! This thread is starting to spam the list. Please take this to
freebsd-chat or off list.
OK i wont post on that anymore.
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So, we end up splitting the potential FreeBSD users between Ubuntu and
Fedora with more of them going to Ubuntu because not quite as many become
very nice. after trying FreeBSD they WILL get back to linux (and then
windows) quickly.
Those who REALLY know they need something different, like h
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:51:03 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >> That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement.
> >
> > There are users on this list who would love to see users of FBSD
> > bound by an NDA so that they could not say anything these self
> > appointed "CENSORS" conside
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:34:20 -0900
Beech Rintoul wrote:
> Guys, enough! This thread is starting to spam the list.
>
i agree too at this point and apologize for some of my
earlier contributions.
it is clear there will probably be no resolution between the engaging
parties of which a few seem to h
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:47 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:27:30PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> >
> > If you have done your own research then the algorithms wouldn't
> > necessarily be the same- they'd nearly certainly be different, wouldn't
> > they? So isn't that the basis for
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:43 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted
> > > > above, is verboten.
> >
> > Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is
> > p
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:25:29 -0500
Jerry wrote:
> Actually, I like your reference to 'Democracy'. Coming from a
> socialist, the very thought of an open discussion on any matter that
> does not fit in your narrow parameters would seem objectionable.
>
there are some serious problems with some pe
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:34:20AM -0900, Beech Rintoul wrote:
> On Monday 15 December 2008 11:14:08 Chad Perrin wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:53:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > > >>and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that
> > > >> moderator's job will be just rem
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:27:30PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
>
> If you have done your own research then the algorithms wouldn't
> necessarily be the same- they'd nearly certainly be different, wouldn't
> they? So isn't that the basis for the patent? A patent is a registration
> of an idea. Two differ
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:08:18PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >Actually, Pentium M processors may well be the best x86-compatible CPUs
> >of their generation -- low power consumption relative to the competition,
> >and the best performance per dollar in their class. Pentium 4, though,
> >cert
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted
> > > above, is verboten.
>
> Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is
> patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should b
On Monday 15 December 2008 11:14:08 Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:53:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > >>and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that
> > >> moderator's job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG.
> > >> NOTHING else.
> > >
> > >As lo
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:06:58PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > base system: nothing appropriate
> >
> >Maybe what we need isn't for you to keep complaining about 70% of the
> >very helpful list traffic,
>
> helpful for whom?
>
> >thus producing another 5% of the list traffic
> >yourself (
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:44:41PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >>
> >>moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure"
> >>simply doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and
> >>louder will takeover, no matter if it make sense or not.
> >
> >Yes, and you have gone
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:49 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> > I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only discussing
> > the base-system already exists (probably stable or arch). This is
> > freebsd questions- and the nature of the list according to the
> > all-knowing handbook
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:53:01PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> >That might be a valid concern if your notion of "off topic" didn't
> >include things that pretty much everyone else seems to think is on topic
> >enough to fit into this list.
>
> do we have to start deciding what's "on-topic"
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:13:03PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >>That's THAT simple, unless you like it to be more complicated.
> >
> >No there isn't.
> >
> >The freebsd-newbies list has been merged with freebsd-questions for
> >several years now.
> >
> >You could have easily verified this by f
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:14:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 19:21 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39:26AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> > >
> > > Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than
> > > grind their teeth on FreeBSD strai
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:16:23PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >>It's already happening on that group that's why i talk about starting
> >>moderation to remove all posts that are not about group topic!
> >
> >Group topic? As far as I can tell, the topic is "user questions"
>
> about FreeBSD
A
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:53:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >>
> >>and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that moderator's
> >>job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG. NOTHING else.
> >
> >As long as neither you, nor anyone that thinks like you, is in charge of
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:12:16 +0100 (CET),
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>>> freebsd-questions User questions and technical support
>>
>> Exactly. Note, however, that 'user questions' means something very
>> different from what you are pushing to convince everybody else :-)
>
> so please start to answe
That's THAT simple, unless you like it to be more complicated.
No there isn't.
The freebsd-newbies list has been merged with freebsd-questions for
several years now.
You could have easily verified this by following the link to:
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies
sor
freebsd-questions User questions and technical support
Exactly. Note, however, that 'user questions' means something very
different from what you are pushing to convince everybody else :-)
so please start to answer every possible question. for example problems
with windows ftp program
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:06:52 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar
wrote:
>> I.e. "freebsd-quesitions" is for all FreeBSD-related questions, not
>> only questions about the FreeBSD base system.
>
> from handbook:
>
> freebsd-questions User questions and technical support
Exactly. Note, however, that
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:49:57 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar
wrote:
>> I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only
>> discussing the base-system already exists (probably stable or
>> arch). This is freebsd questions- and the nature of the list
>> according to the all-knowing handboo
I.e. "freebsd-quesitions" is for all FreeBSD-related questions, not only
questions about the FreeBSD base system.
from handbook:
freebsd-questions User questions and technical support
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:49:57PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> > I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only discussing
> > the base-system already exists (probably stable or arch). This is
> > freebsd questions- and the nature of the list according to the
> > all-knowing h
When I say that FreeBSD is *not* a bunch elitist bastards and we do
*not* like driving users away, I am aware of how serious it is to 'speak
on behalf of the entire FreeBSD team'
I speak only for myself. As i already wrote, i don't want FreeBSD to be
turned into mainstream crap, because there a
That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement.
There are users on this list who would love to see users of FBSD bound
by an NDA so that they could not say anything these self appointed
"CENSORS" consider verboten.
you are excellent at messing things up.
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I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only discussing
the base-system already exists (probably stable or arch). This is
freebsd questions- and the nature of the list according to the
all-knowing handbook IS for newbies, people who probably won't
understand the difference between
There are many constructive ways of improving FreeBSD. You have already
submitted 7 bug reports in out bug database. If you think you can help
of which at least 2 was completely ignored;) (no even response)
by submitting *more* bug reports, testing FreeBSD patches, developing
new FreeBSD co
moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure"
simply doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and
louder will takeover, no matter if it make sense or not.
Yes, and you have gone a long way in proving just that point. Your
narrow minded, inability to accept anyone
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 02:16 -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted
> > > above, is verboten.
>
> Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is
> patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should be
> no
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:49:43 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>>
>> I think that can be handled quite easily by community social
>> pressure, and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's
>> someone else's job".
>
>moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure"
>simply doe
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:49:43PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>>
>> I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure,
>> and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's someone else's job".
>
> moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure" simply
> doesn
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:06:58 +0100 (CET),
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> Now i'm using FreeBSD and it got better each version. Really better,
> not "better".
>
> And i really want to keep it that way, because there is no alternative
> now!
There are many constructive ways of improving FreeBSD. You ha
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 12:54 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >>
> >> Most of them don't.
> >
> > Considering that, the moment someone shows up and says "I'm a Windows
> > user, but I'm thinking about trying out FreeBSD," you immediately assume
> > the person doesn't want to learn without bothering t
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 12:49 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> > I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure,
> > and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's someone else's job".
>
> moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure"
> simply doesn't.
It's already happening on that group that's why i talk about starting
moderation to remove all posts that are not about group topic!
Group topic? As far as I can tell, the topic is "user questions"
about FreeBSD
(according to http://lists.freebsd.org/ and the List-Id header). Where
exactly i
i don't think that has to happen at all.
personally i think self-moderation is best, followed by moderation
(which i haven't found to be a bad thing).
here the former seems to be dominant because of the quality of people
on the list, so it is quite sufficient.
this quality gets down. not becau
Heh. "The customer is /always/ right, even when they're wrong." The
difference is that you give the idiot customers exactly what they ask
for, and the good customers what they actually need
which cannot be done.
you choose idiots or good customers, as it's effectively 2 market niches.
_
Actually, Pentium M processors may well be the best x86-compatible CPUs
of their generation -- low power consumption relative to the competition,
and the best performance per dollar in their class. Pentium 4, though,
certainly sucks.
as having pentium-M laptop and pentium-4 server i can only sa
base system: nothing appropriate
Maybe what we need isn't for you to keep complaining about 70% of the
very helpful list traffic,
helpful for whom?
thus producing another 5% of the list traffic
yourself (directly, and indirectly through annoyed responses to you), but
for someone to come up
Most of them don't.
Considering that, the moment someone shows up and says "I'm a Windows
user, but I'm thinking about trying out FreeBSD," you immediately assume
the person doesn't want to learn without bothering to read any further, I
yes. because if this person would like, he/she would rea
and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that moderator's
job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG. NOTHING else.
As long as neither you, nor anyone that thinks like you, is in charge of
moderation, it might not be a *complete* disaster.
of course it should be you t
That might be a valid concern if your notion of "off topic" didn't
include things that pretty much everyone else seems to think is on topic
enough to fit into this list.
do we have to start deciding what's "on-topic" by voting?
congratulations
i don't mean moderation like removing one o
I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure,
and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's someone else's job".
moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure"
simply doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and louder
will takeove
Why not send them to something like DesktopBSD or PC-BSD, or even
FreeSBIE (if that project is still around)? If they go to some chintzy
user-obsequious Linux distribution like PCLinuxOS first, they'll just
have more stuff to unlearn *if* it ever occurs to them to give some BSD
Unix variant a try
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:04:52 -0700
Chad Perrin wrote:
>On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:57:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>> >>bad (TM).
>> >
>> >No -- at *any* level:
>>
>> you are wrong.
>>
>> for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees
>> ktalk about your company.
>
>Th
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 19:21 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39:26AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> >
> > Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than
> > grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let em get their skills and
> > experience in how *nix in g
> > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted
> > above, is verboten.
Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is
patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should be
no problem writing a driver for that h/w. OTOH if the algorithms
used in the d
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 02:11 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 05:11:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> >
> > But if I remember my legal and ethics course correctly if you can arrive
> > at a conclusion through your own research then your reasonably clear.
> > For example, the drivers a
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 05:11:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
>
> But if I remember my legal and ethics course correctly if you can arrive
> at a conclusion through your own research then your reasonably clear.
> For example, the drivers are closed source but the hardware itself is an
> entirely separa
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 23:53 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:50:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > >
> > > I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable,
> > > and to develop them we'd need the h
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:03:55 +
Matthew Seaman wrote:
> Heh. "The customer is /always/ right, even when they're wrong." The
> difference is that you give the idiot customers exactly what they ask
> for, and the good customers what they actually need
>
now that is a business model!!
if i e
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:12:28 -0700
Chad Perrin wrote:
> I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure,
> and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's someone else's
> job".
>
i don't think that has to happen at all.
personally i think self-moderation is best, follo
prad wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really
"idiots") make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less
work.
exactly!
proper advocacy on a 'free' (or otherwise) system doesn't mean
accomm
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:50:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >
> > I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable,
> > and to develop them we'd need the hardware specs so we'd have a target
> > toward which to develop d
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:31:17PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
>
> What I can't equate with is why its acceptable for intel to do the
> same... check if_iwi and its "firmware". No other wifi device (that I'm
> aware of- at least they'd be in the minority anyway) works this way. The
> excuse is fcc regs-
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 09:42:32PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >probably that they would create "competitors" somehow, magically, without
> >providing any information that directly encourages competition for their
> >hardware. If they wanted to provide per-incident paid software support
> >or
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 04:49:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >>>Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS.
> >>
> >>I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants
> >>it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic.
> >
> >exactly...
> >when is something part of FBSD and when not?
>
> what is "
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:03:29AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> >You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers
> >were stupid. Maybe they were...
>
> the difference is that FreeBSD is free software.
>
> or is not?
Perhaps you are not familiar with the term "analogy"
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:04:18PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this
>
> i don't discourage beginners that want to learn.
>
> Most of them don't.
Considering that, the moment someone shows up and says "I'm a Windows
user, but I'm t
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:49:58PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> >
> >you're reply to another post:
> >>If you wish you can call me "fuhrer" ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly
> >>got too far.
> >>
> >:D
> >good response to that unfortunate eruption of enthusiasm.
>
> i think it's a problem o
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 09:38:29PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>
> without moderation it's a mess.
I've seen more mess in response to your entirely unwelcoming manner than
ever in response to anything you call "off topic" in some of your
examples.
>
> It's nice people like to help other peop
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:26:21PM -0800, prad wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700
> Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> > I'll
> > provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe
> > you'll be able to understand my point ...
> >
> good illustrative examples, chad!
>
> i think
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:57:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >>bad (TM).
> >
> >No -- at *any* level:
>
> you are wrong.
>
> for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees
> ktalk about your company.
That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement.
--
Chad Pe
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39:26AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
>
> Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than
> grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let em get their skills and
> experience in how *nix in general works on something a little easier
> (for MIB lovers: noi
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this
answer after looking ..
"freebsd - the power to serve"
Might one reasonably surmise that "the power to serve" implies
doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers,
FTP servers, web
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really
> "idiots") make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less
> work.
>
exactly!
proper advocacy on a 'free' (or otherwise) system doesn't mean
accommodating r
Julien Cigar(jci...@ulb.ac.be)@2008.12.11 16:23:04 +0100:
> "except when i forgot to unmount" -> yep, the problem lies here, it's so
> natural to just unplug an USB device
That's not an excuse for the kernel panic. The real problem is the
kernel code rot. They can't fix the problem because the cod
Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS.
I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants
it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic.
exactly...
when is something part of FBSD and when not?
what is "base system"
all the ports aren't?
port system (script and Makefiles) are part of FreeB
SO - please just stop ALL NTG topics here. this group really lacks
moderator. not someone that will remove posts he considers "lame"
but all
that is off topic.
Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS.
I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one
wants
it to do isn't a FreeBSD
Your talking about things without providing any evidence as usual.
It's just bollocks. NVidia has fabulous 3dgraphics cards and their
drivers work very very well. At least they do on solaris (32/64bit).
...and Mac OSX and Linux and even Windows
well is said too much at least compared to adver
On 12 dec 2008, at 21:54, dick hoogendijk wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true
reason they do this.
With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy and certainly
there are thousand
On 12 dec 2008, at 20:32, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I disagree. I believe, rather, that support for closed hardware
specs
isn't *as* important -- but is still at least somewhat important.
My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very
dangerous
precedent if the solution inv
Da Rock writes:
> I'm sorry, but the only image I could conjure up for a
> pointy-haired boss was Bart Simpson in a suit (or Lisa as
> President) :D
>
> Do you have another image in mind?
You are obviously not familiar with the comic strip "Dilbert"
written by Scott Adams. Please
with "secret" drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of
their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs.
Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going
on. It explains why cpu usage can go up some times during use.
another example. Part of
are thousands of hardware bugs.
with "secret" drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of
their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs.
Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going
most "high end" popular products are just buggy. as lo
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:05:26 +1000
Da Rock wrote:
>On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 13:05 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>> > >>>I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here.
>> > >>
>> > >>exactly what i wrote. the problem is
related things. Ideally developers are self-motivated. They do it because
they want to, not because they have to or because they won't get paid if they
don't[+]. It's not an entirely black and white distinction -- after all,
employees aren't slaves. If they really can't stand being nice to t
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Matthew Seaman <
m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote:
> Glen Barber wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers
were stupid. Maybe they were...
>>>
Glen Barber wrote:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar
wrote:
You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers
were stupid. Maybe they were...
the difference is that FreeBSD is free software.
or is not?
How is that relevant?
The tech was being paid to do
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 18:46 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:47:23PM -0800, prad wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:25 -0700
> > Chad Perrin wrote:
> >
> > > His manner of expressing his feelings seems to be to try to crush
> > > others' beneath his heel. Try examining th
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 10:37 -0800, prad wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:51:22 +1000
> Da Rock wrote:
>
> > The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO
> > work in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good.
> >
> i'm not so sure that is really "THAT good". bel
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 21:35 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >> NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware.
> >> this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers
> >> do make support for it.
> >>
> >> what is common today isn't normal.
> >
> > I honestly have no id
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 02:44 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general
> ignorance of daycoders and pointy-haired bosses -- all of whom think Java
> is the best programming language around because that's what "most"
> programmers use and have so
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar
wrote:
>>
>> You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers
>> were stupid. Maybe they were...
>
> the difference is that FreeBSD is free software.
>
> or is not?
How is that relevant?
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Glen Barber
"If you have any troub
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 19:15 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > cropping up and saying the equivalent of "If we work on that stuff,
> > FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck." I disagree with
> because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now.
Its better at providing window$ functi
You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers
were stupid. Maybe they were...
the difference is that FreeBSD is free software.
or is not?
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On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 09:32 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 08:46:49PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:29 -0500, Jerry wrote:
> >
> >
> > > IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement,
> > > it has to improve its hardwar
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 22:46 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all?
>
> no. all i want is to stop all stupid topics about:
>
> - KDE/Gnome/other crap (or great things for somebody)
>
> BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF FREEBSD. FreeBSD has nothing to this, exc
> If we want FreeBSD to grow to where vendors pick up obscure and
> not-so-obscure
> devices and support it more than it is now, we need publicity. If we need
> publicity, we need marketing types. If we need marketing types, we need to
> pay them, and we need to put up with them, and even be n
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 13:05 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > >>>I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here.
> > >>
> > >>exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions
> > >>others) are wil
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