Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-30 Thread dos386
OK, obsolete WDE is on the CD in FREEDOS\3RDPARTY ... The CD has a strange and obsolete kernel: - NOT UPX'ed - 2040 from May-25 The floppy DOES have kernel 2040 ... but I really would kick anything except 2040 and maybe 2038 and maybe 2036 (as from 1.0 distro). No need for 2039 or even

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-30 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 30-7-2011 15:08, dos386 schreef: OK, obsolete WDE is on the CD in FREEDOS\3RDPARTY ... I remember adding that (just like EXTRACT for bootdisk contents under Windows), just can't think of any purpose/use that I added it for, anymore. Will be removed then. If anyone knows a rather universal

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-30 Thread dos386
Will be removed then. WDE is cool, but version 0.30 please :-) Internet-based installation of FD1.1 possible through packet driver, DHCP program and HTGET/FTP (not WGET, size constraints). VMware-specific so I hope it will work on real PC too :-) -- ~~~ wow ~~~

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-30 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 30-7-2011 15:42, dos386 schreef: Will be removed then. WDE is cool, but version 0.30 please :-) I'll have a look. Internet-based installation of FD1.1 possible through packet driver, DHCP program and HTGET/FTP (not WGET, size constraints). VMware-specific so I hope it will work on

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-29 Thread dos386
Who gives a shit? It's included in MS-DOS 6.22, it'll be included in FreeDOS. It's not hurting you is it? You don't suffer from erectile disfunction because you ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erectile_dysfunction - because you can't write

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-29 Thread dos386
BTW, what's the goal of EDLIN ??? Never used it ... But please keep DEBUG, I'm using it (but not as ASS'embler, maybe add FASM also ?) -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online.

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-29 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! BTW, what's the goal of EDLIN ??? Never used it ... It is there for nostalgic reasons and aims to be the DOS text editor which is translated into most languages ;-) But actually even the author of MS EDLIN barely used it, so we can be happy to also have our EDIT text editor. But please

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-29 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011, Eric Auer wrote: Hi! BTW, what's the goal of EDLIN ??? Never used it ... It is there for nostalgic reasons and aims to be the DOS text editor which is translated into most languages ;-) But actually even the author of MS EDLIN barely used it, so we can be happy to

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-29 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:03 AM, dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: In short, I don't think EXE2BIN belongs in BASE for FreeDOS. So do I. I don't know of anybody using it I don't use it and have no clue for what it is supposed to be useful. In old days, MASM, LINK, EXE2BIN was the norm.

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-29 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: BTW, what's the goal of EDLIN ??? Never used it ... It is there for nostalgic reasons and aims to be the DOS text editor which is translated into most languages ;-) Presumably it's for limited automated scripting (e.g.

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-29 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 29-7-2011 19:02, Rugxulo schreef: - KERNELS 2040 - WDE 0.30 - UPX UPX is too useful, IMHO, though I know some shun it (which seems weird). And I don't think WDE is included in there (yet). At least a quick search couldn't find it in BASE or UTIL. I can't even recall what WDE was for

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-29 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote: Op 29-7-2011 19:02, Rugxulo schreef: I can't even recall what WDE was for anymore. disk editor, basically for viewing raw disks and/or editing or saving bits to wherever. Not useful except for hardcore nerds.

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-28 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote: At 09:06 PM 7/27/2011, Rugxulo wrote: I've seen some strange hacks, but .BAT is far from ideal for normal computations. It's not supposed to do computations, it's for file scripting. Do due with what's available... I

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-27 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote: At 04:11 PM 7/26/2011, Rugxulo wrote: It's just hard to imagine why they would ever include LINK and EXE2BIN when nothing comes with DOS that can use them. BASICA/GW-BASIC surely didn't. I don't know, I'm not as savvy as

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-27 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, (sorry for dragging this out so long!!) On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: I know users can get a real programming tool themselves, I'm just saying, having it built-in is more useful overall. It's not that I think BWBASIC is bad, just far from complete or

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-27 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 10:32 PM 7/26/2011, Steve Nickolas wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Steve Nickolas lyricalnan...@usotsuki.hoshinet.org wrote: Some versions of MS-DOS even included LIB (I have some specimens of 2.x and 3.x that do). DEC's releases for the

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-27 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 11:08 PM 7/26/2011, Rugxulo wrote: Well, .BAT isn't exactly Turing complete, last I checked. Why would that possibly matter? GW-BASIC is fine if you like it. Most will complain about line numbers. What's wrong with line numbers? As I already mentioned, too many people these days don't seem

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-27 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote: At 10:32 PM 7/26/2011, Steve Nickolas wrote: Can't remember (prolly 2.0).  It was on the MS-DOS 2.01 master. I am fairly certain that whatever DEC Rainbow version of MS-DOS 2.01 you have that this is the same

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-27 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote: At 10:32 PM 7/26/2011, Steve Nickolas wrote: Can't remember (prolly 2.0).  It was on the MS-DOS 2.01 master. I am fairly certain that whatever DEC Rainbow version of MS-DOS 2.01 you have that this is the same disk/image that I have in my archive. And I am

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-27 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote: At 11:08 PM 7/26/2011, Rugxulo wrote: Well, .BAT isn't exactly Turing complete, last I checked. Why would that possibly matter? Hmmm? The whole point was about what is/was included by default, e.g. DEBUG vs. QBASIC or

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-27 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 09:06 PM 7/27/2011, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote: At 11:08 PM 7/26/2011, Rugxulo wrote: Well, .BAT isn't exactly Turing complete, last I checked. Why would that possibly matter? Hmmm? The whole point was about what is/was

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Joe Cosentino
something while you're at it? - Original Message - From: Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN Hi again, On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Steve Nickolas lyricalnan

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Joe Cosentino wrote: Who gives a shit? It's included in MS-DOS 6.22, it'll be included in FreeDOS. It's not hurting you is it? You don't suffer from erectile disfunction because you dir and see exe2bin listed there do you? NO! Jebus Christ, can't you find something

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Robert Riebisch
Steve Nickolas wrote: For the record and for the sake of historical accuracy, I checked the installation floppies for both upgrade and nonupgrade versions of MS-DOS 6.22, as well as full installers all the way down to 5.0 - 5.0 was the last version to include exe2bin on the install

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Joe Cosentino
HAHA, Oh snap, son! - Original Message - From: Robert Riebisch r...@bttr-software.de To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN Steve Nickolas wrote: For the record and for the sake of historical accuracy, I

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Joe Cosentino hardmar...@comcast.net wrote: Who gives a shit? I don't know, that's why I'm bringing it up. Constructive criticism is welcome (but ...). It's included in MS-DOS 6.22, it'll be included in FreeDOS. That's not a good metric since, as

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Joe Cosentino
Jebus Christ, can't you find something better to bitch about? Or how about fixing something while you're at it? This might be a good time to practice what you preach. Sorry dude, but I've done more to advance this project in 6 months (not the last 6 months, mind you), than you have done

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 26-7-2011 22:32, Joe Cosentino schreef: Jebus Christ, can't you find something better to bitch about? Or how about fixing something while you're at it? This might be a good time to practice what you preach. As useless as EXE2BIN might be, we'll keep it..in BASE even. I'll admit to never

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Joe Cosentino hardmar...@comcast.net wrote: can't you find something better to bitch about?  Or how about fixing something while you're at it? This might be a good time to practice what you preach. Sorry dude, but I've done more to advance this project

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote: Op 26-7-2011 22:32, Joe Cosentino schreef: Or how about fixing something while you're at it? This might be a good time to practice what you preach. As useless as EXE2BIN might be, we'll keep it..in BASE even. it's

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Steve Nickolas lyricalnan...@usotsuki.hoshinet.org wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote: On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Joe Cosentino hardmar...@comcast.net wrote: It's included in MS-DOS 6.22, it'll be included in FreeDOS. That's not a good

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 04:11 PM 7/26/2011, Rugxulo wrote: It's just hard to imagine why they would ever include LINK and EXE2BIN when nothing comes with DOS that can use them. BASICA/GW-BASIC surely didn't. I don't know, I'm not as savvy as some people here (Ralf?). Well, as you asked... ;-) EXE2BIN and LINK where

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Ralf A. Quint wrote: Seeing that there is so little respect for the old tools that made out DOS, I am not sure if I should pick up one of my projects I had started a few years back, a GW-BASIC clone, looks like there won't be much interest for this at least in here. Or

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 08:10 PM 7/26/2011, Steve Nickolas wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Ralf A. Quint wrote: Seeing that there is so little respect for the old tools that made out DOS, I am not sure if I should pick up one of my projects I had started a few years back, a GW-BASIC clone, looks like there won't be

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Steve Nickolas lyricalnan...@usotsuki.hoshinet.org wrote: Some versions of MS-DOS even included LIB (I have some specimens of 2.x and 3.x that do).  DEC's releases for the Rainbow even had MASM (!). Now that is surprising! I wonder which version (and why

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Steve Nickolas lyricalnan...@usotsuki.hoshinet.org wrote: Some versions of MS-DOS even included LIB (I have some specimens of 2.x and 3.x that do).  DEC's releases for the Rainbow even had MASM (!). Now that is

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-25 Thread Rugxulo
Hi again, On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Steve Nickolas lyricalnan...@usotsuki.hoshinet.org wrote: Exe2bin: Not all software uses compilers which create COM directly. PC DOS 2000 doesn't even *have* exe2bin. I'm not sure about MS-DOS 6.22 since I can't find an online listing. (I used to