Re: [Freedos-user] Is DOS Navigator 16 or 32bit?

2024-05-28 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 4:02 AM Sabina Zelená. wrote: > > Greetings,I got a delivery-failure notification,when I tried to ask > the user-email-forum,so sorry for bothering U again,but probably I > have Read-Only access to the mailing list,even,when I posted my guide > to selective installation of

Re: [Freedos-user] Web forum

2024-05-21 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 11:28 AM Norby Droid via Freedos-user wrote: > > Would there be any interest in a web forum for FreeDos? This question comes up from time to time, and the consensus has always been a clear "No." Email lists work very well for discussion, especially for developers, and

Re: [Freedos-user] dos navigator

2024-05-20 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 8:31 PM Travis Siegel via Freedos-user wrote: > > I found my copy of PTS DOS Source, and was digging through them to see > some of the differences between that and opendos, for which I also have > the sources, and I ran across the dos navigator menuing system (at least >

Re: [Freedos-user] QEMU, DOOM, and sb16 issue resolved with audiodev specification

2024-05-14 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Good to know! I just upgraded to Fedora 40, and I use QEMU to run FreeDOS. I'll have to update my script that runs QEMU. On Tue, May 14, 2024, 5:35 AM Lukáš Kotek via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I recently hit a problem regarding Sound

Re: [Freedos-user] the msdos 4.0 sources has some multitasking code

2024-05-11 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Sat, May 11, 2024, 10:49 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hi Travis, > Does that mean the MS Dos code for 7 or so is has been releaced now as > well? > No, Microsoft has only released MS-DOS versions 1.25, 2.0 and 4.00 so far. Nothing beyond

Re: [Freedos-user] documentation update

2024-05-09 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Thu, May 9, 2024, 7:03 PM Roger via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > https://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/Main_Page > > [..] The wiki migration (from sourceforge to the new hosting) was incomplete because the SF server update broke the wiki. I didn't get to copy over the

Re: [Freedos-user] odd news

2024-05-08 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
[..] > 1. I keep an eye on the "DOS Ain't Dead" forums via their RSS feed, > and I thought the httpDOS announcement on "DOS Ain't Dead" was > interesting. And we sometimes (not all the time, but sometimes) get > people who ask what cool network stuff they can do with FreeDOS. And > this was

Re: [Freedos-user] odd news

2024-05-08 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:30 PM Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: > > > hi! as jim prefers all dos related things to be discussed on-list: > > why would a https server which is "not in real working condition" > and a dos port of gnupg where important features cannot be used > because dos has no

[Freedos-user] DOS spreadsheets

2024-05-05 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
We talked about this (briefly) during today's virtual get-together: I teach a few university courses, and right now is final grades time (that's why I could stay on the video call for only an hour - lots of grading) I use LibreOffice Calc to do final grades (either =LOOKUP or =VLOOKUP) but you

Re: [Freedos-user] cannot boot installation media

2024-04-27 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
To confirm, you're trying to boot the USB installer: https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.3/official/FD13-FullUSB.zip I assume you unzipped this and wrote the image to the USB flash drive using the right tool, and didn't just use Copy to get the file to the

Re: [Freedos-user] MSD freedos diagnostic comparative?

2024-04-26 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Laaca posted about a new system info tool they'd written, described here: https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/news/2024/03/fetch4fd-system-info-program/ > On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 00:43 Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> simple

Re: [Freedos-user] shouldn't fdimples add programs to path?

2024-04-25 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:51 AM Davi Ramos via Freedos-user wrote: > > I installed a bunch of stuff (all editors) but when I try to run > them it doesn't seem like they're on the path. Is that the correct > behavior? Should I manually add the bins to path? If so, how? Some larger DOS

Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

2024-04-25 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Davi Ramos wrote: >> > The "ã" is a very common character in Portuguese. It shows up in words >> > such as "não", "alçapão", and "órgão". >> > >> > The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for >> > Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated >> >

Re: [Freedos-user] Dial-up emulation?

2024-04-23 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Tue, Apr 23, 2024, 9:38 PM Brandon Taylor via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Since FreeDOS doesn't support physical network hardware (even if it's > emulated in a program like PCem or 86Box), I figure there's no way FreeDOS > is gonna be able to connect to the

Re: [Freedos-user] Ré : Way or utility in Freedos to have two applications running

2024-04-10 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
> Ramon Riera Marès wrote: > >> > >> > First of all, thanks to all the Freedos developers and collaborators. I > >> > want to know if there is any way or utility in Freedos to have > >> > two applications running, for example an outliner and a text editor, > >> > and be able to switch from one

Re: [Freedos-user] Ré : Way or utility in Freedos to have two applications running

2024-04-10 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Ramon Riera Marès wrote: >> >> > First of all, thanks to all the Freedos developers and collaborators. I >> > want to know if there is any way or utility in Freedos to have >> > two applications running, for example an outliner and a text editor, and >> > be able to switch from one to the

Re: [Freedos-user] How to try FDT2404 (Latest test version) on QEMU

2024-04-05 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Jim Hall wrote: [..] > > Then I create a virtual disk where I can install FreeDOS T2404. I'll > > set this up as 500MB, which is plenty big for what I do: > > > > $ qemu-img create -f qcow2 2404.qcow2 500M Paul Dufresne wrote: > I was prefering raw, because I was using: >

Re: [Freedos-user] How to try FDT2404 (Latest test version) on QEMU

2024-04-05 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
I run FreeDOS in QEMU on Linux, so I can show you what I do. First, I unzip the LiveCD ISO image so I can use it: $ unzip FDT2404-LiveCD.zip '*.iso' Archive: FDT2404-LiveCD.zip inflating: T2404LIVE.iso Then I create a virtual disk where I can install FreeDOS T2404. I'll set this up as

Re: [Freedos-user] Coding in BASIC for Freedos?

2024-03-17 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 12:52 PM Thomas Cornelius Desi wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > Question to you: Do you know how many LINES the FREEDOS Kernel has? > > Thanks, Thomas > Doing a quick count of _everything_ in the source tree, including tools and tests, from version 2.43 in Jeremy's GitHub

Re: [Freedos-user] Why DOS?

2024-03-17 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 12:28 PM Alvah Whealton via Freedos-user wrote: > > This question has arisen several times. I choose DOS because going back to > the Commodore 64 is so impractical for me. > I used DOS when I was growing up. My first computer was an Apple II at school, and then my

Re: [Freedos-user] Coding in BASIC for Freedos?

2024-03-17 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 6:26 AM Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: [..] > There are good reasons that DOS went away some 35 years ago. It has > its uses but not being able to flip to another window or another > screen to consult documentation, or try something out, or look it up > online, is a

Re: [Freedos-user] Report back: QEMU - Max size of Linux access folder

2024-03-17 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 3:27 AM hms--- via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Correction. My apologies. My memory doesn't work all that well these days. > Re. Linux error on boot up. I incorrectly said deleting the files in the > /dev/crash directory fixed the problem. >

Re: [Freedos-user] Coding in BASIC for Freedos?

2024-03-15 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 4:08 PM Norby Droid via Freedos-user wrote: >> >> DOes anyone have any experience with AUdioPCI cards onFreeDOS? >[..] Please start a new thread for this question. It is unlikely to be seen in a discussion thread about how to get started with programming on FreeDOS.

Re: [Freedos-user] Coding in BASIC for Freedos?

2024-03-15 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 5:23 PM tsiegel--- via Freedos-user wrote: >[..] > If you want something a bit more powerful, but not as complex as C, you > can always use turbo pascal, there are multiple versions of turbo pascal > in the museum site Borland setup before being sold to who know who, and >

Re: [Freedos-user] Coding in BASIC for Freedos?

2024-03-15 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 11:45 AM Thomas Cornelius Desi via Freedos-user wrote: > > Hello, > > could someone from the list give me an advice, what programming language to > learn, > if I would want to do some programming in FREEDOS? > > I am an absolute »Noobie« with programming, but stumbling

Re: [Freedos-user] QEMU - Max size of Linux access folder

2024-03-11 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Jim Hall wrote: [..] > > If there's a config issue on your Lubuntu, you might > > consider updating to 23.10 or 24.04 LTS Liam Proven wrote: > Whoah. Not correct. Not possible. > > LTS releases can be upgraded directly to the next LTS release (and > nothing else.) > > Interim releases only to the

Re: [Freedos-user] QEMU - Max size of Linux access folder

2024-03-11 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 3:34 AM h...@iafrica.com wrote: > > Hi Jim > Thank you. I have few questions. What is the maximum size allowed for > the FreeDos image file? Can I resize my image file, currently 200Mb? Can > I create an additional virtual drive "D:" and mount it in the same way? I

Re: [Freedos-user] QEMU - Max size of Linux access folder

2024-03-10 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
I wrote the article, but I haven't used this QEMU feature for a long time. I found that the "live" access to the folder could be problematic (sometimes no problem .. typically slow .. crashed QEMU a few times) but that was several years ago and the QEMU folks may have fixed that issue by now.

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS webpage - where can I see more News?

2024-03-10 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
I will need to add a link or button to show more news. Right now, it just shows the latest six news items. The FreeDOS news items are actually stored in the SourceForge News system, and the website pulls from the RSS feed to generate the news items for the front page. Here's the link to our news

[Freedos-user] C programming guides

2024-02-28 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Starting a new thread for this topic: On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 7:46 AM Linvel Risner via Freedos-user wrote: [..] > I'm trying to research written programming guides, although maybe I > should just watch the Jim Hall video sets. > I also wrote a series of articles to support the videos, which

Re: [Freedos-user] Announcement: lDebug release 7

2024-02-16 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Excellent news, thanks for sharing! I'll post a news item about it for the website this tomorrow, when I'm in front of my computer again On Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:23 PM E. C. Masloch via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hello list! > > Today I prepared release 7 of

Re: [Freedos-user] One use case for FreeDos

2024-01-29 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Thomas Cornelius Desi wrote: > > Apropos authoring on DOS Software: As I was looking for > someting nifty that would enhance my writing workflow on > the computer, I decided for VDE by Eric Meyer writer. > ( have a look here: https://archive.org/details/vde-197 ) > It actually does sort-of-UTF8

Re: [Freedos-user] One use case for FreeDos

2024-01-29 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Mart Zirnask wrote: >> As for writers with DOS, I recalled and managed to dig up a video with >> Philip Roth using a standing desk and a Blue DOS Screen - is this also >> Wordstar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBlVEcMSOGw=201 >> >> The video is dated 2004, though - back then, I imagine it was

Re: [Freedos-user] One use case for FreeDos

2024-01-29 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
> Dan Schmidt wrote: > > Now, I might have gone with WordPerfect 6 instead of > > WordStar 4, but the idea itself is solid: A computer that > > you just use for writing, sans distractions. No YouTube, > > no Email, no Facebook -- you sit -- you write. I mean, > > it's hard to argue it didn't work

Re: [Freedos-user] One use case for FreeDos

2024-01-27 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 4:51 PM Dan Schmidt via Freedos-user wrote: > > Now, that's an interesting use for a Dos/FreeDOS retro computer: > > https://www.theverge.com/2014/5/14/5716232/george-r-r-martin-uses-dos-wordstar-to-write > > How many computers destined for the landfill still have

Re: [Freedos-user] What DOS programs represent the 1980s and early 90s?

2024-01-02 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Jim Hall wrote: > > Same for word processors. We used a few word processors at home, > > probably copies of whatever my parents were using at work. [..] > > I looked through the shareware > > catalog(*) I subscribed to, and ordered a copy of the most highly > > rated word processor: Galaxy. It was

Re: [Freedos-user] What DOS programs represent the 1980s and early 90s?

2024-01-01 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 5:39 PM andrew fabbro via Freedos-user wrote: > > Whatever programs are most representative, they might have been > distributed as shareware. There's still "trial software" today but > not like going to a BBS and seeing hundreds of shareware packages, > or getting a CD

[Freedos-user] What DOS programs represent the 1980s and early 90s?

2023-12-24 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
I'm thinking about doing a video that shows how to do real work on DOS. I sometimes see comments on YouTube with people asking "could you really do *work* with DOS?" And the answer is *of course you can, that happened every day.* So I'm collecting a list of things you'd do in the 80s and 90s with

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2024 calendar coming soon

2023-12-19 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Jim Hall wrote: [..] >>> The anniversary is coming up in June 2024. I'm trying to finish a >>> 2024 calendar that you can buy (at low cost, if you want it in print) >>> or download (if you just want the images). I'm trying to finish >>> grading a bunch of university classes that I teach, so I

[Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2024 calendar coming soon

2023-12-17 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
(I'm re-sharing this item from my virtual get-together "followup" email so it gets seen by others) The anniversary is coming up in June 2024. I'm trying to finish a 2024 calendar that you can buy (at low cost, if you want it in print) or download (if you just want the images). I'm trying to

Re: [Freedos-user] Epson dot matrix printer emulator?

2023-11-20 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
That looks super interesting, and I think that fits my need - thanks. I'll have to give this a try. On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 11:33 AM Ben Collver via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > I wrote a post about how to do this on FreeDOS. It converts Epson printer > data to

[Freedos-user] Epson dot matrix printer emulator?

2023-11-20 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
I'm looking for DOS software that will basically simulate an Epson dot matrix printer. Like an FX-80. Basic idea is that I should be able to print from a DOS program to a file, then feed that file into this emulator so I can view the output. Specifically looking for graphics mode printing (like

Re: [Freedos-user] Dunfield releases 40+ years of Source Code

2023-11-08 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023, 5:15 AM hms--- via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > This is indeed a treasure trove of material. > Does anyone know where to find the user manuals and binary files? > The binary files are at https://dunfield.themindfactory.com/dnld.htm >

Re: [Freedos-user] Dunfield releases 40+ years of Source Code

2023-11-06 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
This is super exciting! If I remember correctly, we recommended Micro-C as a great free (gratis) C compiler for DOS. I remember using it for several programs of my own at the time. It would be great if Dave could have used a more standard open source license (for example, any of the licenses from

Re: [Freedos-user] DosView, a modern image format viewer and converter

2023-11-06 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
FYI: The DosView news item has been on the https://www.freedos.org/ website for the last few days. It's currently the top news item on the FreeDOS website. On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 5:01 AM Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: > > > Hi! SuperIlu is has recently released version 1.1 of DosView: > >

Re: [Freedos-user] Ré : New game for DOS using DJGPP - Open Source

2023-10-01 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Juan wrote: > > I used DJGPP back in the 90s, and was a life changing experience for me: > > my first contact with GCC and free software. > > > > I never managed to finish any games back then, but I have released one > > recently, and the source code is available in case anyone is interested:

Re: [Freedos-user] HIMEMX zip file dates

2023-10-01 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Eric wrote: > You can also find updates for JEMM and HIMEMX on Japheth's GitHub "Baron von > Riedesel", even his HIMEMSX to use more than 4 GB RAM :-) Mercury Thirteen wrote: [..] > Looks like I fell behind on keeping up with all of Japheth's updates! The > downloads section at

Re: [Freedos-user] EduQiz rel 2023

2023-10-01 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 2:58 PM Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user wrote: > > Hello List, > > About a year ago I have created a graphical, quiz-like program as a > pretext for my kids to get some hands-on with my 386 PC and learn a > thing or two in the process. I named the program EduQiz and kept it

Re: [Freedos-user] languages

2023-10-01 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Joao wrote: > > It's been a while since i use freedos on asus eeepc with portuguese from > > portugal and if i recall i can't write the * with shift and *+" key and > > since there is no numeric keypad. > Tom wrote: [..] > > "i can't write the * with shift and *+" key" > c) about the worst bug

[Freedos-user] Planning the FreeDOS "2024" calendar

2023-09-24 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
I'm making a FreeDOS "2024" calendar, and looking for suggestions of what screenshots to include in it. Any ideas? The "2023" calendar came out in January 2023, but that's too late. I'm planning to share the "2024" calendar in mid to late October so folks can get a copy for Christmas gifts, or

Re: [Freedos-user] Announcement: lDebug release 6

2023-08-29 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Jim Hall wrote: > > Can you send me an announcement (in about 100 words) that I can > > copy/paste into the news system? C. Masloch wrote: > Sure, I based it on yours with a few improvements: > > lDebug (that's with a small L) is a 86-DOS debugger that replaces the > classic DOS Debug program.

Re: [Freedos-user] Announcement: lDebug release 6

2023-08-28 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
> Hi Jim, > > I noticed that the file on ibiblio isn't updated yet [1]. Likewise the > FreeDOS Software page [2] linked from the website [3]. Though both of > these list 1.3 in their pathnames, so I'm not sure what the appropriate > action would be. However, I do think that the website [3] should

Re: [Freedos-user] Planning the next virtual get-together

2023-08-27 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 1:00 PM zerofive--- via Freedos-user wrote: > > Is there a recording of the get-together? I couldn't attend due to personal > reasons. :( > Sorry, I don't record the virtual get-togethers for personal privacy reasons. But maybe we'll see you at the next get-together?

[Freedos-user] Planning the next virtual get-together

2023-08-27 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Thanks to everyone for joining today's FreeDOS virtual get-together! We had a great conversation about different topics, mostly about tech topics - like programming, DOS apps, the wiki, and retrocomputing. We'll plan the next virtual get-together for Sunday, September 24. That will be focused on

Re: [Freedos-user] REMINDER: FreeDOS virtual get-together is tomorrow

2023-08-27 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Hi everyone! We're about 15 minutes away from the virtual get-together. Here's the connection information, for anyone who needs it early: https://bluejeans.com/909315200/0433 Meeting ID: 909 315 200 Passcode: 0433 Phone number: (if you are dialing in by phone) +1.408.419.1715 (US / San Jose,

[Freedos-user] REMINDER: FreeDOS virtual get-together is tomorrow

2023-08-26 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 10:29 AM Jim Hall wrote: [..] > Let's do it! Plan for our FreeDOS virtual get-together for NEXT > SUNDAY, August 27 at 11am US/Central. (Use your favorite timezone > converter to find your local time.) We usually alternate topics every > month (technical v social) but we

Re: [Freedos-user] Announcement: lDebug release 6

2023-08-26 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Great news, thanks! I've been following the feature request discussion on the tracker, so it's great to see the new version with the cool new changes. There's a lot in this announcement (because so many new features) so I wasn't able to reproduce all of that in the news item for the website, but

Re: [Freedos-user] Online Get-together

2023-08-20 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Jerome wrote: >> I think the monthly online get-together is today. Jim wrote: > We haven't scheduled the August get-together, and today I have another > video call at that time (family call). > > However, how about a virtual get-together next Sunday, August 27? Jerome wrote: > Sounds good. > >

Re: [Freedos-user] Online Get-together

2023-08-20 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
We haven't scheduled the August get-together, and today I have another video call at that time (family call). However, how about a virtual get-together *next Sunday*, August 27? On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 8:03 AM Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > I think

Re: [Freedos-user] How do I change screen resolution?

2023-08-06 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Sun, Aug 6, 2023, 7:40 AM EdzUp via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hi all, I could cobble together a Command line app to chuck the system > into VGA/SVGA resolutions :) > But this is just a special case of the MODE command, which can already set the screen to use

Re: [Freedos-user] (C library) SvarLANG ver 20230730

2023-08-01 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 9:38 AM Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user wrote: > > Hi, > > I have recently released a new version of SvarLANG. SvarLANG is a C > library and toolset for enabling DOS applications to easily support > multiple languages. [..] > > http://svardos.org/svarlang/ Thanks, Mateusz!

Re: [Freedos-user] Dos

2023-07-24 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 5:14 PM Rahim Fakir via Freedos-user wrote: > > Whats The main Diference between freedos and dos. > Which os The best, dos freedos runs a 486? As Bryan said, FreeDOS is a more modern version of DOS. Also, FreeDOS is open source software. Very early versions of MS-DOS

Re: [Freedos-user] My curiosity

2023-07-24 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 3:46 PM Daniel Essin via Freedos-user wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm following this list and find it very interesting. I found it when I > was trying to prepare myself to help a friend whose business in built > around a DOS app. It's clear that many/most/all? have access to