[Freedos-user] [OT] Videoconference references
I mentioned these historic examples. The first describes a hydraulic
analog computer.
{The MONIAC (Monetary National Income Analogue Computer), also the
Phillips Hydraulic Computer and the Financephalograph, was created in
1949 by the New Zealand economist Bill Phillips to model the national
economic processes of the United Kingdom, while Phillips was a student
at the London School of Economics (LSE). The MONIAC is an analogue
computer which used fluidic logic to model the workings of an economy.
The MONIAC name is suggested by associating money and ENIAC, an early
electronic digital computer.}
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONIAC
This second subject, explains an algorithm's mistaken assumption. Its
economic cost was USD 1.2 billion, or EUR 1.1 billion!
{Put in place in July 2016 and announced to the public in December of
the same year,[6][7] the scheme aimed to replace the formerly manual
system of calculating overpayments and issuing debt notices to welfare
recipients with an automated data-matching system that compared
Centrelink records with averaged income data from the Australian
Taxation Office.[5][6]}
{The Australian government lost a 2019 lawsuit over the legality of the
income averaging process, and settled a class action lawsuit in 2020.
The scheme was further condemned by Federal Court Justice Bernard Murphy
in his June 2021 ruling against the Government where he approved a A$1.8
billion settlement including repayments of debts paid, wiping of
outstanding debts, and legal costs.[17]}
{"That the Department of Human Services should resume full
responsibility for calculating verifiable debts (including manual
checking) relating to income support overpayments, which are based on
actual fortnightly earnings and not an assumed average; and provide
those issued debt notices with the debt calculation data required to be
assured any debts are correct".}
{In November 2019, the federal government agreed to orders by the
Federal Court of Australia in Amato v the Commonwealth that the
averaging process using ATO income data to calculate debts was unlawful,
and announced that it would no longer raise debts without first
gathering evidence – such as payslips – to prove a person had
underreported their earnings to Centrelink.[1][2]}
{On 31 May 2020, Attorney-General Christian Porter, who was Minister for
Social Services when the Robodebt system was first implemented, and who
had previously defended the scheme,[33] conceded that the use of
averaged income data to calculate welfare overpayments was unlawful,
stating that there was "no lawful basis for it".[9][47]}
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robodebt_scheme
{The report concluded that the robodebt scheme was "devised without
regard to the social security law", and that the use of income averaging
in estimating entitlements "was essentially unfair, treating many people
as though they had received income at a time when they had not".[20]}
{In the aftermath of the final report, Kathryn Campbell, secretary of
the Department of Human Services from 2011 to 2017, was suspended
without pay from her position as a special adviser on the AUKUS nuclear
submarine project, a position with a $900,000 salary.[27] Additionally,
a PwC consultant who testified to the Royal Commission was fired in the
hours after the final report was released.[28]}
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_into_the_Robodebt_Scheme
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol
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[Freedos-user] Please update your address record
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Re: [Freedos-user] Planning the next virtual get-together
Thanks, Jim: We'll plan the next virtual get-together for Sunday, September 24. For me that will be 2 AM Monday. I expect to attend. -- This iiNet address won't last! I have joined Exetel. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] REMINDER: FreeDOS virtual get-together is tomorrow
Thanks, Jim: Plan for our FreeDOS virtual get-together for NEXT SUNDAY, August 27 at 11am US/Central. For me, then will be 2 AM Monday 28 August. (Use your favorite timezone converter to find your local time.) That's Australian Eastern Standard Time (AEST). We usually alternate topics every month (technical v social) but we didn't get to meet last month - so this meeting will be focused on "technical." That will be of lesser interest to me. And I have an appointment that afternoon. So maybe I won't join (for long). -- This iiNet address won't last! I have joined Exetel. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol
Thanks, Paul: I recently learn of the Gemini protocol. I apologise for slowness getting-around-to my e-Mail Inbox contents. Gemini is a group of technologies similar to the ones that lie behind your familiar web browser. Using Gemini, you can explore an online collection of written documents which can link to other written documents. I have installed amfora in a Ubuntu PC. And I briefly looked in the CAPCOM aggregator. But I feel lost! Please advise a newbie on browsing Gemini content. -- This iiNet address won't last! I have joined Exetel. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] My curiosity
Yes, Dan: Tasks that could be completed in seconds now take minutes in Windows. This is a major cause of physician burn-out with electronic health records. I hated Aussie social security. It required using a Web form. That was very complex. I found it infuriating! https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/ -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] My curiosity
Hey Dan: That's great info! I glad to see so many getting use ouf of old hardware. I, myself, have a whole load of old hardware. If it still works, or can be made to work, there's no need to chuck it! In particular I have a T40 and, perhaps more interesting, A Compaq Portable III. Get them going, then. I even have, in a flip-top jewel case, a 5-1/4" floppy + manual for a strange little app called Microsoft Access. I used to design databases in that! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] USB serial & DOSBox
Yes, Louis:
Very cool!
In my Ubuntu Home directory is the hidden directory ".dosbox".
And within that, is the latest-version configuration file
"dosbox-0.74-3.conf".
At the end of that, I have edited a section thus.
{[autoexec]
# Lines in this section will be run at startup.
# Belkin F5U409 Serial-USB interface.
serial1=directserial realport:ttyUSB0
# You can put your MOUNT lines here.
# Mount POLAR heart-monitor software directory. Change to it & run POLAR.
mount c ~/snap/dosbox-jz/108/DOS/POLAR/
C:
POLAR}
So now launching DOSBox, changes to the heart-monitor software
directory. Then that application opens.
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Re: [Freedos-user] USB serial & DOSBox
Yay, Louis:
It should be at `/dev/ttyUSB0` and you should refer to realport
`ttyUSB0` or something like that (`serial1=directserial
realport:ttyUSB0`).
Yes, I found that character device.
lsusb lists the following.
{Bus 001 Device 005: ID 050d:0109 Belkin Components F5U109/F5U409 PDA
Adapter}
In DOSBox, at the C: prompt, I entered:
"serial1=directserial realport:ttyUSB0".
Then I launched the POLAR software. and told the heart-monitor to
transmit. The POLAR software immediately received the data!
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[Freedos-user] USB serial & DOSBox
My heart monitor is an old Polar Sport Tester 4000.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1393035/Polar-Electro-Sport-Testert.html
Its interface box has an RS2323 socket.
I had been downloading data to an old PC with a serial port. That PC
runs FreeDOS. VER/R reports "DOS version 7.10".
My Ubuntu PC does not have a serial port.
But I have a Belkin F5U409 USB-serial adaptor. My Linux kernel is
5.19.0-50-generic.
{The device is supported by kernel versions 2.6.0 and newer according to
the LKDDb:
Ver Source Config By ID By Class
2.6.0 - 6.3 drivers/usb/serial/mct_u232.c CONFIG_USB CONFIG_USB_SERIAL
CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MCT_U232 050d:0109 *}
https://linux-hardware.org/?id=usb:050d-0109
That adaptor's LNK LED is on (green).
The Ubuntu PC has DOSBox v0.74-3. It runs the POLAR software OK. That
can set serial port to COM1 or COM2.
DOSBox Wiki says this.
{Configuration:SerialPort
Jump to navigation
Jump to search
serialX = device [parameter:value]
device can be: dummy | modem | nullmodem | directserial
parameter is: irq
value is:
for directserial: realport (required), rxdelay (optional).
for modem: listenport (optional).
for nullmodem: server, rxdelay, txdelay, telnet, usedtr,
transparent, port, inhsocket (all optional).
Defaults:
serial1=dummy
serial2=dummy
serial3=disabled
serial4=disabled
An example of how to configure an actual serial port for I/O use:
serial1=directserial realport:com1}
So in DOSBox, I enter that last line.
Then I launch the POLAR software.
And I check its default serial port:
"THE SELECTED SERIAL PORT FOR HR INPUT IS: COM1".
Then I instruct the heart monitor to transmit data. And the adapter's RX
LED illuminates red. But the POLAR software fails to detect data!
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Re: [Freedos-user] My curiosity
Hi Dan: What are others using freedos for: business, curiosity, running retro games and apps for fun, to avoid total dependence on the evil empire, or something else? I have an ancient heart rate monitor. Its computer interface uses DOS software via a serial port! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dos
Hi Rahim: Whats The main Diference between freedos and dos. FreeDOS is more modernised, with extended functions. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Can FreeDOS Be Installed By Means Of UNIX Commands?
G'day, Jay: Microsoft Windows is installed on three primary partitions, because that is what Windows does, and every other operating system on this computer must find a home for itself within the logical partitions carved out of the fourth, extended partition. Ugh! The installation procedure scares me. Back up! "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur" Not profound, just pompous! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Happy New Year, everyone!
Thanks, Jim: For myself, I'm finally digging my way out of other work so I can (a) finish editing the "Why we love FreeDOS" ebook, and (b) update the FreeDOS website so it's easier to use. I get to critique government health policy. Which I often point out, is unreadable! So I commend any attempt to improve ease of use. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Updated draft of "FreeDOS 28" book
Thanks, Jim: Draft 2 is mostly formatting fixes (gluing lines together, some minor formatting) but no content changes yet. I took a brief squiz. But I didn't see images. Therefore please illustrate it. I recommend parsing the text through this readability checker. https://www.online-utility.org/english/readability_test_and_improve.jsp The Flesch Reading Ease score should be at least 60. Interpret that score with the chart here. https://writingstudio.com/blog/flesch-reading-ease/ -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Can't see USB stick
Thanks, Ralf: I much rather think that the confusion is that (Free)DOS is not plug, so if you plug in the USB stick after FreeDOS is booted up, it will very likely (though depending on the BIOS of the machine) not recognize that there is a different drive. Boot up with the USB stick inserted, and it is very likely to see it just fine. That's how it works on my old Dell laptop... I had tried that without success. But a FAT16 CompactFlash card solved my problem. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Can't see USB stick
Thanks, Travis: Dos doesn't handle fat32 devices by default. Via a card-reader, I plugged an old FAT16 CompactFlash memory card into my FreeDOS PC. FreeDOS recognised that as drive D:. So I was able to copy my data file to that memory card. And similarly I then plugged that into my Ubuntu PC. I copied the file into my DOS data folder. And via DOSBox, the heart monitor's software presented pages of charts as required. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Can't see USB stick
After a long absence from FreeDOS, I used it to download data from my old heart rate monitor. This is on an old PC (hardware). I couldn't find the FreeDOS version. Though I recall that as 1.2. I wanted to copy my data file from C: to a FAT32 USB stick. That's plugged into the PC. But D: (etc) gives "Error reading from drive D: data area: drive not ready". Similarly GEM shows Hard Disk C, an unresponsive Drive A:, and a similarly unresponsive Network Drive D. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Mail and news for FreeDOS
Thanks, Ralf: -- This mail was written by a user of the Arachne Browser on FreeDOS - http://arachne.cz/ That's a hell of a bike! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Ré : Networking FreeDOS 1.3 on QEMU
Paul wrote:
This is itself an adaptation from:
http://www.freedos.org/books/get-started/june14-manual-install.html
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[Freedos-user] Software Freedom Conservancy quits GitHub
"In so doing, they claim, the company has convinced FOSS developers to contribute to the development of a proprietary service that exploits FOSS." https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/30/software_freedom_conservancy_quits_github/ -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS ASM resources
Ben:
http://ref.x86asm.net/coder32.htmlhttp://www.eji.com/a86/
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Re: [Freedos-user] Tomorrow Get Together
G'day, Jim: I'll share connection details tomorrow when the meeting starts. That'll be 2 AM Monday here. I have an appointment tomorrow. So I might prefer to sleep! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-together coming up on March 20
Thanks, Jim: Don't forget- our next FreeDOS virtual get-together is in 12 hours, at *11am US/Central on Sunday, March 20.* That's 3 AM Monday, Australian Eastern Daylight Time! Unfortunately that day, I have an appointment. To prevent being shattered for that, I apologise for absence. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] retro gamer review of FreeDOS 1.3
Thanks, Herminio: Has anyone watched this review of FreeDOS 1.3 by a Retro Gamer on YouTube. It's a great review, testing many games. I haven't yet installed 1.3. I'm afraid of wrecking Frank's wonderful networking. If it ain't broke -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Updates on FreeDOS videos
Thanks, Jim: * To celebrate reaching 3000 subscribers to the channel, I shared a video tour of my home office I liked your office tour. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2022 calendar
Thanks, Jim: But I thought others might like it too, so I made it available for sale via the print-on-demand site Lulu. Being a pensioner, I prefer "free" to "sale". -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Country Code
Yes, Ralf: I have a really basic question regarding the date format. After decades, I decided I would like the date format to be -mm-dd instead of mm-dd-yy As this thread has drifted off into a completely different topic, here's a bit humor to get back on the issue at hand (though I am not sure a lot of US folks immediately understand In numeric abbreviation, Euro and Yank dates swap the position of month and day. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Country Code
Hi Ralf:
Well, it really would bode you well if you were a bit less arrogant at
times.
{These are called ‘You statements’ and are the typical way we
communicate. We tell the person what he did or didn’t do, whether it was
right or wrong or what he should or shouldn’t be doing. Such statements,
more often than not sound like accusations and blame. It conveys
judgment. No one likes being judged and hence it closes down
communication lines. It puts the person on the defense, making him
unable and unwilling to be open to what you have to say and truly listen.}
The article goes on to mention `I' statements.
https://innerspacetherapy.in/communication-you-i-statements/
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)
Hi Thomas: OS/2 2.x and Warp could boot DOS from a floppy, but I don't think even they could run it from a disk partition. I used OS/2 Warp 4. Being delighted by the speech-recognition interface! I ran OS/2 from 1.3 to Warp 4 Fixpack 12 until it crashed and destroyed most hard drive data sometime during the single-digit days of April 2001. I struggled to keep it alive. Discovering that my installation disks got corrupted! I even remember my room temperature at that time was 83 F, which was, and still is, quite comfortable to me. My desk temperature is now 27 °C (81 °F). Now I see no advantage in OS/2's successors (eComStation, ArcaOS) compared to choosing between FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux and Haiku which have the advantage of being open-source. Being retired, I don't want to pay ongoing licence fees. But I am working on nerd-dictation. So I've been filling-up its configuration file with exceptions! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained
Dear John: I'm guessing that I'm the only one who isn't interested in connecting to the Internet using freedos. I wouldn't have a problem with others doing it,but for me it would be yet another distraction. I think of the Internet as a bag of vulnerabilities! I don't need my FreeDOS PC connected.-- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and LFN
Thanks, Joseph: FreeDOS command has support for LFN dir since ~15 years. use DIR /LFN for this, or set DIRCMD=/LFN I had no idea about this. Doesn’t seem to be in the help, but, it does work. Please would someone document this feature. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Question about FreeDOS 3.0
Hey richardkolacz101: I think that I understand the reason of the "inflated Windows Pro price from HP" (when comparing if you purchased Windows 10 from an independent vendor). I got my computers refurbished from a church charity. https://www.canberracitycare.org/tech-shed.html And I got discounted prices by saying that I wanted no software. As I would install Linux myself! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS game compatibility mass testing results/questions
Jim: And dedicating an entire machine to FreeDOS . I run FreeDOS 1.2 on a dedicated Dell OptiPlex GX270. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Web Hangman EN_COLRS.VOC
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-together this weekend (social time!)
Hi John: If this month's virtual get-together is social time, would everybody be OK with me installing FreeDOS on an old Toshiba laptop, and giving a running commentary, (occasional updates, not literally "I'm plugging in the USB stick!) while we're chatting away? This is my opportunity to find out what living in other countries is like. I get swamped with technobabble anyway! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Ubuntu updates Samba
On my legacy FreeDOS PC, at C:, I have just entered "print readme.txt.". My Ubuntu tower PC has printed the three pages! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] reminder reminder?
Thanks, Angel: So far, Eric, Bryan, Angel, and Bonaventure received multiple copies (I'm assuming 3 for freedos-user and 3 for freedos-devel?) but I only received one. As far as I know, I'm only on the user list. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] changing keyboard layout after booting from CD-ROM
Dear Bret:
There is, but you'll need to provide a little more detail -- specifically which
keyboard layout you're wanting to use (presumably one that matches your
country, language/dialect, and physical keyboard layout).
{harr...@vtxmail.ch}
{.ch is the country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Switzerland in the
Domain Name System of the Internet.}
{The QWERTZ or QWERTZU keyboard is a typewriter and keyboard layout
widely used in Central Europe.}
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTZ
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[Freedos-user] September BlueJeans social
The time is usually dark of morn on Monday, for me in Canberra. Please remind me what time and time zone it will officially be. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS get-together
Dear Jim: Sorry you missed it. My diary does not mention this. I hope you can join next time on August 15. Noted. I checked the emails I'd sent, and I did say July 18. I seem to have missed your email. Every other month (July 18, September 19, and November 21) let's keep it to "social time." On opposite months (August 15, October 17, and December 19) let's focus on technical issues. Noted. And the reminder this week on July 13: Sending a quick reminder that the FreeDOS virtual get-together is coming up on Sunday, July 18, at 11am US/Central. That's a few days from now. I seem not to have noticed. Perhaps this message was buried in other content? -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do you use FreeDOS?
Jim wrote: "Reposting for anyone who isn't on the freedos-devel email list:" Querying developers first would have biased the data. I expect they're more confident of DOS. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos? - Karen versus Liam
Hi Andrew: I too have experienced "acquired disability" (traumatic head injury in a street attack) so I feel I can empathise with some of the alienation you feel as a result of being affected by discriminatory events - both real and imagined. My autism causes strife. I also would like to hear more of your voice and experience, and would appreciate you taking up Bryan Kilgallin's offer to canvas your real-world insights gained from your technological solutions. Misunderstanding is common. We can try to overcome it. I know you have mentioned such details on these threads in the past, but it would be incredibly instructional to see it all in one defining document We could learn from each other. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?
Dear Karen: we shall see what I can and cannot do legally. Roping in the world, is a fool's errand. Just raise awareness of human factors in design. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos? - Karen versus Liam
Dear Karen: Liam could have made his point about reactions to Linux issues, without using my name, or making statements about my motivations. Distraction can relieve stress. That he chose to do so, in spite of my statements to the contrary, and that he dismissed details after the fact speaks of slander, perhaps even intention inflection of emotional distress. A personal attack makes more heat than light. I have no idea what my doing a karen means, but facilitating an environment for bullying, is not kind either. Techs tend to be insensitive. learn to ask before making suggestions, and I feel the list will gain a great deal. I welcome your insights. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?
Hi Liam: I am not interested into entering into debates about your medical claims. Tech includes human factors. I do not live in your country and never have, so I doubt you could sue me if I had said anything actionable, which I have not. This is a mailing list. It cannot be edited. What is sent is sent and it cannot be changed. Consider reducing harm. That's *before* posting a response. If you have problems with particular sound frequencies, or speech frequencies, then get professional assistance. She's done so. Do not come on to a public mailing list and without mentioning any of them and demand that other people who are untrained volunteers and know nothing about you, your health, your disabilities or anything else, answer questions for you and then threaten them with legal action when you don't like what you hear. Adults can learn. I am filtering your email address to the trash from now on, something I have not needed to do for at least 5 years. Learn tactful response. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?
Thanks, Karen, for the detailed explanation: Most folk aren't disabled. Then they can't understand it. Please write a guide for software folk. As disability is weakly known. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?
Dear Karen: Very much so, part of why asking, rather than assuming anything about another human being is wise. I'd like you to write up your insights. Launch a thread on software access for the disabled. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?
Hi Liam: Unfortunately a lot of people are very technologically conservative. Once they find something they like, they will stay with it at all costs. Like Karen here: she likes DOS, she likes her hardware screen reader, and she wants the world to come to her and interoperate with her obsolete tech. Anything else is interpreted as abuse. Keeping up to date is very time-consuming. A lot of people don't want that! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?
Hi Eric: I do have some experience with writing a simple adapter for Dutch text to speech long ago, so I am actually aware of the limitations of the technology. Even now, youtubers who prefer to stay anonymous use annoyingly artifically sounding speech engines. I think I even have a chip from back when it was important to offload speech output from the CPU to dedicated hardware somewhere in my collection: I made a couple of Arduino projects. One drove a SpeakJet speech synthesiser chip. I tried to make that American voice express Australian phrases. So I discovered some dialectical differences. American English is rhotic--whereas Australian English is non-rhotic. English orthography (spelling)--does not guide how a speaker pronounces a word. Take for example "I drove my car to the bar to play cards.". An Aussie says "I drove my kaa to the baa to play kaads". As in "Baa, baa, black sheep", without pronouncing any `r's. Australian English Also has the triphthong "oua". So an Aussie pronounces "Once one was", as "Ooanss ouann ouazz". -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?
Hi Karen: Thanks for the info. The disabled are varied. And one's life experience is subjective. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?
Hi, Liam: Disability is a subject that was not taught in my schooling. And some of it "does not show on X-Rays! Best wishes with your learning of the human condition. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS make better compatibility with DOS games [current status]
Yes, Eric: Networking with Samba is a bit complicated to configure, but Bryan and Frantisek have recently done that for Bryan's computers, so they can probably share some tricks. We have indeed done this! So I don't need to transfer data via USB stick. I mainly use FreeDOS to receive heart monitor data. The receiver talks to a hardware serial port. Its software is DOS. I also wanted to print text files from that PC. Hence we started this project. We've run into a Samba bug. That truncates files received from DOS. So only the first hundred or so characters, print. This was a heterogeneous printing project. Thus it used Samba for networking. While CUPS was used for printing. Only the networking part works right from FreeDOS. This project lasted months. It required patience and goodwill. I gave needs, analysis, and trial and error testing. Frank advised, simulated, researched, and tested. My main computers run Ubuntu. Its GUI applications include a CUPS front end. I repeatedly installed Brother's printer driver. That installer, and the CUPS front end, offer many options. Those lack documentation. And half the installer options gave error messages! Configuration files were scattered across PCs. In the Linux file system, some were in /etc, /mnt, /run, and /var. On the FreeDOS PC, I installed MSNET. Suggested syntax sometimes didn't work in practice. So I repeatedly used command line tools. Such as editing configuration files. In the Ubuntu file system, I worked mainly in the /etc directory. Therein I was mainly in cups/ and samba/. There I was editing hosts, smb.conf, printers.conf, and *.ppd files. In FreeDOS, I repeatedly edited files. Those were LMHOSTS and LOGON.BAT. We found password and file name limitations in FreeDOS. An Ubuntu password--failed in FreeDOS. FreeDOS also fell over at Brother's default printer name! I recursively edited and tested configuration. That was on both Ubuntu and FreeDOS computers. For one printer, Ubuntu's CUPS GUI made multiple print queues! Configuration was transient. Then applications did or didn't print. Their listed print queues, mostly had various errors! We disabled a daemon. This limited the many print queues listed by Files/Nautilus. Samba runs from two servers. They are my Ubuntu PC, and the router's USB stick. My Ubuntu computers can use both. But the FreeDOS PC only sees the PC server. We cooperated well. So I learned kludgy command-line tools. So we explored the limits of software design! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print
Thanks, Ralf: As above in the mean time I have assigned printing to PRN (no longer to LPT2). OK, but that means your setup you have is different than the one you mentioned many times before. My setup changes according to trial and error experiment. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print
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Re: [Freedos-user] Print
Thanks, Ralf: If you have mapped LPT2 to the network printer then you *must* print to LPT2. Sending to PRN or LPT1 won't do anything because there's no device there. I will henceforth direct printing to PRN. On the FreeDOS PC, in C:\MSNET>, I have edited LOGON.BAT. That now says the following. "net use PRN: \\%SERVER%\%PRINTQUEUE% %PASSWORD%" The easy way to print to any port is just to copy or echo a file to that port. I have entered this: * "copy readme.txt prn". 3.4 lines print. That doesn't make any sense. There must be something else in play for that to work. PRN: is an alias to LPT1: I wanted to simplify usage, hence the above. There should be no printout what so ever of you would send data to PRN: and have the network printer assigned to LPT2: As above in the mean time I have assigned printing to PRN (no longer to LPT2). -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print
Thanks for your interest, Liam:
From the FreeDOS PC, I can print a little over a hundred characters.
So does that meant that it _can_ print something?
Yes. I have just got that function operating again.
PRN: -- the default printer
Hm, I'd like all printing to go to the Samba-network printer! So I have
edited "C:\MSNET\LOGON.BAT". That is to direct PRN: to the network print
queue. Then on the FreeDOS PC, I entered "print readme.txt". Next,
"Printing" and "Completed" messages on my Ubuntu PC, coincided with
output from the printer. The printed output was 3.4 lines.
COM1: (and 2--4) -- the serial ports
I have my heart-monitor's receiver-box plugged into the FreeDOS PC's
serial port. That is my main reason for using FreeDOS!
If you have mapped LPT2 to the network printer then you *must* print
to LPT2. Sending to PRN or LPT1 won't do anything because there's no
device there.
I will henceforth direct printing to PRN.
The easy way to print to any port is just to copy or echo a file to that port.
I have entered this:
* "copy readme.txt prn".
3.4 lines print.
You *do not need* the PRINT command. The print command is for
*background* printing, so that a user of a non-multitasking OS can get
on with doing something else while the printer works.
This is called printer spooling.
A test that I haven't done is timing printing via different commands.
"Copy" (as above) takes one minute.
Whereas "print readme.txt", takes one minute 6 seconds.
We need complete and accurate information to try to troubleshoot
this, and you are not providing it...
I do not perceive your specification of further information required!
copy readme.txt lpt2:
{README.TXT => LPT2}
I notice a seemingly long time elapsed after entering the command on the
FreeDOS PC. So I reboot the printer.
I do not know what the material in {curly brackets} means so I do not
know how to interpret your reply.
On the FreeDOS PC, I entered "copy readme.txt lpt2:". That action
resulted in this PC replying to me "README.TXT => LPT2".
Is the printer a laser printer?
Yes, it is a GDI dumb printer.
If so, then when printing, it will
store up text until it has a full page _then_ print it.
The README.TXT document is several pages long!
A laser
printer is physically only able to print a whole page at a time. It
can't print a few lines at a time like a dot-matrix or inkjet.
So if you only send a few lines, you need to send a form feed after it
to tell the printer "that's all, now print it."
I have sent a document comprising several pages of text. But only the
first hundred or so characters get printed!
So you'd do:
echo myfile.txt > lpt2:
... then...
echo ^L > lpt2:
On the FreeDOS PC, I entered this:
"PRINT README.TXT & PRINT ^^L".
One minute 17 seconds later, was printed the first 3.4 lines of the
"README.TXT" document.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Print
Thanks, Liam:
On the FreeDOS PC:
* LMHOSTS lists the printer against its IP address; and
* LOGON.BAT lists the server and print queue, and
specifies "net use LPT2:, with the server, print queue,
and password.
That looks good! Great progress from when you first asked.
From the FreeDOS PC, I can print a little over a hundred characters.
But I cannot get PRINT to work!
OK, question 1: why do you need the PRINT command?
Because I want to print, and it's called "PRINT"!
It's a background
spooler. It is not in any way needed for DOS printing.
It does seem to partially work as above. That is, of a text document,
the first 3.4 lines appear from the printer.
{PRINT README.TXT}
Did you not specify to print to LPT2:?
I have been experimenting. Whether I do or don't, the result's the same!
Next I read
"Device to direct Print [PRN=0]".
So it's not going to LPT2: – it's going to PRN:
Then I used this option. It only worked after the file name. If before
it, I got a "not found" error!
"/d:device"
https://www.computerhope.com/printhlp.htm
[1] You don't need PRINT. To test if printing works, just do
copy readme.txt lpt2:
{README.TXT => LPT2}
I notice a seemingly long time elapsed after entering the command on the
FreeDOS PC. So I reboot the printer.
[2] If you *do* want background printing, you need to tell PRINT where
to send the data:
PRINT /D:LPT2: readme.txt
{print README.TXT /D:LPT2:}
{Background...
Version...
FILE ADDED TO QUEUE.
PRINT QUEUE SUBSYSTEM IS INSTALLED
Device to direct Print [PRN= ]:}
But nothing seems to be printing. Perhaps I should be rebooting computers?
If you want to set the default DOS printer, you can use the MODE command. E.g.
mode lpt2:
Yeah, I did that.
But now I'm sick of waiting so will reboot my Ubuntu and FreeDOS PCs.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Which paint programs and image viewers for DOS do you prefer?
Eric: I wonder what YOUR impressions are regarding those, because I would suggest to add at least 1 paint and 1 image viewer app to our "full" collection of applications. A Wacom graphics-tablet is a USB device. Anything would have to support that! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] VGA Paint and other image paint and viewer apps for FreeDOS?
Yes, Jim: I don't use paint programs, so I don't know which of the open source paint programs is best. I use MyPaint with Ubuntu. My digital-media page is here. http://members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/art/digital/index.html Has anyone used the open source paint programs? Yes as above. Which would you recommend? I draw from life in a studio and on location. For which I need a laptop with a graphics-tablet. These limit me to venues where I have use of a table or the top of a low wall. I use MyPaint because of simplicity. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print via network - a known bug in Samba
Thanks, Frank: ...while looking for some existing "LPT port redirection software" for DOS, I've first found this proggie: I have tried using that. But I found its documentation limited! And I have not been able to get printing done thereby. It's a little TSR in .COM format that installs in memory, captures any printing on LPT1 (done using the BIOS printing service at INT 17h) into a chunk of XMS memory and upon another invocation, can dump the captured data into a file. So it does not write the file in the background... I thought that the documentation claimed it rewrote the file that I was trying to print! It does write the file in the background and opens the file in "append" mode. I'm gonna try it, hopefully later today. Thank you for your continuing efforts. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Print
I wish to print from a FreeDOS PC. That connects via Samba to an Ubuntu
server. That speaks via Ethernet to a Brother GDI printer. František has
been advising me on this project.
On the FreeDOS PC:
* LMHOSTS lists the printer against its IP address; and
* LOGON.BAT lists the server and print queue, and
specifies "net use LPT2:, with the server, print queue,
and password.
But I cannot get PRINT to work!
{PRINT README.TXT}
That reports the print utility's version and author.
It says "FILE ADDED TO QUEUE.", and
"PRINT QUEUE SUBSYSTEM IS INSTALLED". Next I read
"Device to direct Print [PRN=0]".
But the Ubuntu Settings Printers window does not indicate receipt of a
print job. And there is no response from the printer.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Creating a FreeDOS compatibility page in the wiki?
Hi Jim: Searching for "compatibility" in the wiki doesn't find an already-existing "software compatibility" page, but I did find a "hardware compatibility" page I suggest employing synonyms. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print via network
Thanks, Michael: I hate to even suggest this, but are you using the /B option on the file copy to indicate that a binary copy is needed? That didn't fix the printing problem. It's the same with /a. The first 5.1 lines of a text file got printed. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Catching up on FreeDOS articles at OpenSource.com
Joao: Freedos is a the alternative to MS-DOS/PC-DOS in a modern computer and also old or older computer. I run FreeDOS on a 32 bit PC that's at least 17 years old! There are some will use Freedos to run some program and other for games. The problem, for me is hardware. I needed a hardware serial port. The first limitation i encountered was how to copy games, usb pendrive 2.0, no support for usb 3 and then i ran a game and for stupid face no sound... speaker/sound blaster. USB is only good for keyboard and mouse! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Catching up on FreeDOS articles at OpenSource.com
Thanks, Jim: Q: What are the advantages of using FreeDOS over alternative ways of running DOS applications (e.g., DOSBox)? A: Using DOSBox to run DOS applications in Linux is a great way to run certain DOS applications. But DOSBox is really intended to launch a single DOS program, like a game. The DOS command line is pretty limited in DOSBox. In contrast, FreeDOS provides a full DOS command line. My Polar Sport Tester PE4000 software just wouldn't work properly under emulation. I couldn't get a USB serial link to go! So I was unable to upload heart rate data to a more modern PC. But I have a working 32 bit PC with a built-in hardware serial port! And that works fine with the Polar DOS software. Q: Why work on DOS in 2021? A: [I talk about a few things, but mostly about how programming in DOS is not the same as programming on Linux. You can't just "load everything into memory" because you don't have a lot of memory to use, ... and that makes programming more challenging and interesting.] I thought that I would keep my brain alive! Q: How big is the FreeDOS community? A: FreeDOS was a very popular project throughout the 1990s and into the early 2000s, but the community isn’t as big these days. But it’s great that we are still an engaged and active group. I have especially appreciated detailed help from Europe! [I also mention the virtual get-togethers.] Q: How does someone get involved in the community? A: I think our community is very welcoming, so anyone is free to join. We communicate via an email list, which you can find on the FreeDOS website. Join the freedos-user email list if you want to talk about FreeDOS or ask for help. I greatly appreciate this welcoming and helpful character. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Catching up on FreeDOS articles at OpenSource.com
Hi Jim: How to copy files between Linux and FreeDOS František (Frank) has been helping me with a project. That is printing from FreeDOS via Ubuntu. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Catching up on FreeDOS articles at OpenSource.com
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Re: [Freedos-user] Reminder: FreeDOS virtual get-together (next week)
Thanks, Jim: In general, this is probably the "agenda" for the meeting: 1. Greeting new members 2. Social time 3. What new projects are you working on? 4. Live testing and feedback for FreeDOS 1.3 RC4 5. Group "photo" (at the end, for any who want to be on-screen for it) František (Frank) Ryšánek has been helping me share files and print from FreeDOS. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Command succeeded
Tomas: Something like formatting a disk might not complete (eg hardware error) "The command didn't complete.", or "The command hung.". "or it might complete unsuccessfully (disk is not usable)." "The command failed." -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Command succeeded
I read "The command completed successfully." This seems to me programmer-speak, and verbose. Why not simplify that to "The command succeeded."? -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] CMDLINE
Indeed, Eric: commands with their arguments are indeed limited in length in DOS. My printer has a very long name. LOGON objected to it. Then on a Linux PC, to František's instruction, I made a shorter alias. Then on the FreeDOS PC, LOGON accepted that. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Hold the date: FreeDOS Virtual Get-Together Sunday June 20 at 11am US Central
Eric: František Ryšánek has kindly been helping me network via Ethernet, a FreeDOS PC with two Ubuntu computers. Currently file sharing works between all three, using Samba. Cool, do you two plan to write a how-to about it? 1. Descend through the circles of Hell. 2. Spend a month there. 3. Emerge. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Hold the date: FreeDOS Virtual Get-Together
Thanks, Jim: I wanted to plan another virtual get-together. Please hold the date for *Sunday, June 20* at 11am US/Central. I have entered that in my diary. And I've noted to not book an art-session then! (Use your favorite online time zone converter to find your local time. Here that will be 2 AM Monday! 3. What new projects are you working on? František Ryšánek has kindly been helping me network via Ethernet, a FreeDOS PC with two Ubuntu computers. Currently file sharing works between all three, using Samba. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Print via network
OK, Eric:
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/29138/Intel-Ethernet-Adapter-Drivers-for-MS-DOS-
Linux Archive Manager unpacked it!
Maybe you could copy paste a directory listing
of what was in it to the mailing list
{
.
├── APPS
│ └── NVMCHECK
│ └── DOS
│ ├── nvmcheck.exe
│ └── nvmcheck.txt
├── license.pdf
├── license.txt
├── PRO100
│ └── DOS
│ ├── e100b.dos
│ ├── e100beds.nif
│ ├── oemsetup.inf
│ └── protocol.ini
├── PRO1000
│ └── DOS
│ ├── e1000.dos
│ ├── oemsetup.inf
│ └── protocol.ini
├── readme.txt
└── verfile.tic
}
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Re: [Freedos-user] Printing over the network
Thanks, Frank: I'd hazard a guess that the Ubuntu PC has some listening sockets open for access via IPP, LPR and with some minimal effort we could have Samba. IPP is no use from DOS, so we have LPR or Samba left. I used lpoptions to set my Brother printer as the default. Then I used lpr to print a text file from my Ubuntu PC. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ibiblio.org
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Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
Thanks again, Frank: Basically I'd say you're all set to try and load the DOS network stack, and see if that works I take it that means entering "start", in either MSNET OR PKTDRV. :-) Again there are two alternative flavours of the DOS TCP/IP stack, one tastes of Microsoft, the other one of "independent open-source stuff" (the CRYNWR packet driver API). This is what you should try next - either A) or B), reboot inbetween A) and B) when you want to switch to the other: A.) the one Microsoft way: cd msnet start ping 10.1.1.1 ping 10.1.1.2 ping 10.1.1.92 B.) the CRYNWR packet driver: cd pktdrv start ping 10.1.1.1 ping 10.1.1.2 ping 10.1.1.92 I suggest that you also try mem /c /p after A) and B) in turns for comparison. Look at the "largest executable program size" at the end of the listing In MSNET, that's "510K (522,512 bytes)". In PKTDRV, it's ""628K (643,024 bytes). If you get bored before I end up sending further "printing" instructions to you, try tcpdump or Wireshark on the Linux box OK, in a terminal window, I entered "sudo tcpdump -A". I see reports of the router. These entries mention: * HOST; * CACHE-CONTROL; * LOCATION; * SERVER; * NT; * USN; * NTS; * OPT; * 01-NLS; * BOOTID.UPNP.ORG; and * CONFIGID.UPNP.ORG. Ubuntu Software installed the Qt version of the Wireshark sniffer. In a terminal window, I launched it via sudo. But I didn't understand the reportage. I need to read the documentation! Maybe one small thing to test on your Ubuntu box: if you open a terminal window, and type which lpr what do you get? /usr/bin/lpr If you get something like /usr/bin/lpr, could you also try this? which lpq /usr/bin/lpq lpq -a no entries lpr is a command-line program that allows you to copy/send a file to a print queue, locally within your Linux box. The file = print job is expected at standard input. lpq is a print queue "manager" command, for your overview of the jobs being printed, and the queues present in the system. Not sure if your CUPS comes with those utilities included. Yes. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
Eric:
As you had suggested, on the FreeDOS PC, in C:\MSNET\ I entered "start".
Then I could ping from that PC to my printer, Ubuntu PC and Ubuntu laptop.
Cool! Thanks for creating the network zip :-) What is
in that start bat file and which packages with which
licenses are required to make this become a reality?
{REM set PATH=C:\MSNET;%PATH%
REM Uncomment the following line if you want mTCP enabled as well,
REM under the MS Network Client environment. See also system.ini,
REM one line there is relevant as well (to load the packet driver shim.)
REM set MTCPCFG=C:\mtcpapps\mtcp.cfg
REM Then, either CD into C:\mtcpapps, or add that directory to your path.
REM And, you probably need to run the DHCP.EXE to initialize mTCP.
devload /H IFSHLP.SYS
REM pause
net initialize
REM pause
NETBIND.COM
REM pause
umb.com
REM pause
LH tcptsr.exe
REM pause
tinyrfc.exe
REM pause
nmtsr.exe
REM pause
emsbfr.exe
REM pause
dnr.exe
REM pause}
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Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
Thanks again, Frank: As I've already written, I myself have investigated the dark rabbit hole of MS-DOS networking for you: http://frantisek.rysanek.sweb.cz/FD_NET.zip Unzip the three directories to your DOS hard drive, take a look at the config.sys suggested, and see if you can get your DOS box to take a breath of your LAN. As you had suggested, on the FreeDOS PC, in C:\MSNET\ I entered "start". Get an IP address from DHCP and ping something on the LAN. Then I could ping from that PC to my printer, Ubuntu PC and Ubuntu laptop. Chances are that this part will work right off the bat. It worked fine. I haven't yet tried to do the same from C:\PKTDRV>. And I don't know what MTCPAPPS is for. I'm fairly confident about the follow-up technologies in Linux (for your printing intermediate box). It doesn't look like a headache to set up, but it may require some tinkering and back-n-forth e-mail communication. If you have time and you're still curious about stuff, you might actually find that tech entertaining. I appreciate learning basics as I go. It's not gonna clog your Linux printing setup or swamp your network or anything. I had worried that the DOS machine on my network, would give easy access from the Internet for gremlins! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
Thanks, Eric: Which changes have you applied to load the network things? Upon Frank's following package, I used Ubuntu's Archive Manager to extract the contents. Then I used a USB stick to transfer the directories to my FreeDOS PC. So in the latter's C: directory, are MSNET, MTCPAPPS, and PKTDRV. http://frantisek.rysanek.sweb.cz/FD_NET.zip Following Frank's later advice, on my FreeDOS PC, I dropped the cursor to C:\MSNET>, and typed "start". After seeing a couple of screens of stuff fly past, I was able to ping my router! Similarly I have been able to ping devices from each other. Thus my FreeDOS PC can minimally communicate with the printer. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
Further, Eric:
I assume you have already added things from the FD_NET
autoexec to your existing autoexec?
Frank's package at this address--doesn't contain "autoexec"!
http://frantisek.rysanek.sweb.cz/FD_NET.zip
Whereas my FreeDOS PC's C: directory has an AUTOEXEC.BAT file. It
contains this.
{@ECHO OFF
SET DOSDIR=C:\FDOS
SET LANG=EN
SET TZ=UTC
SET PATH=%dosdir%\BIN
if exist %dosdir%\LINKS\NUL SET PATH=%path%;%dosdir%\LINKS
SET NLSPATH=%dosdir%\NLS
SET HELPPATH=%dosdir%\HELP
SET TEMP=%dosdir%\TEMP
SET TMP=%TEMP%
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330
SET DIRCMD=/P /OGN /Y
SET COPYCMD=/-Y
IF "%config%"=="4" GOTO END
DEVLOAD /H /Q %dosdir%\BIN\UDVD2.SYS /D:FDCD0001
LH FDAPM APMDOS
IF "%config%"=="2" LH SHARE
rem IF EXIST %DOSDIR%\BIN\DOSLFN.COM LH DOSLFN
REM NLSFUNC %dosdir%\BIN\COUNTRY.SYS
REM DISPLAY CON=(EGA),858,2)
REM MODE CON CP PREP=((858) %dosdir%\CPI\EGA.CPX)
REM KEYB US,858,%dosdir%\bin\keyboard.sys
REM CHCP 858
REM MKEYB UK
REM MOUSE
CTMOUSE
SHSUCDX /QQ /D3
REM LH SHSUCDHD /QQ /F:FDBOOTCD.ISO
REM DEVLOAD /H /Q %dosdir%\BIN\UIDE.SYS /H /D:FDCD0001 /S5
SHSUCDX /QQ /~ /D:?SHSU-CDR,D /D:?SHSU-CDH,D /D:?FDCD0001,D
/D:?FDCD0002,D /D:?FDCD0003,D
MEM /C /N
SHSUCDX /D
:END
SET AUTOFILE=%0
SET CFGFILE=C:\FDCONFIG.SYS
alias reboot=fdapm warmboot
alias reset=fdisk /reboot
alias halt=fdapm poweroff
alias shutdown=fdapm poweroff
alias cfg=edit %cfgfile%
alias auto=edit %0
set OS_NAME=FreeDOS
set OS_VERSION=1.2
if exist %dosdir%\bin\fdnet.bat call %dosdir%\bin\fdnet.bat start
if exist %dosdir%\bin\welcome.bat call %dosdir%\bin\welcome.bat}
Which changes have
you applied to load the network things? Any other config
sys or fdconfig sys changes not mentioned in your mail yet?
Note: When FreeDOS finds a fdconfig.sys file, it will use
that and ignore config.sys, but if it does not find one,
it will use config.sys like any other DOS. So it will not
use both files at the same time. Check which one you use.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
Dear Eric:
feel free to notify the bootablecd.de maintainer that you
would prefer less contrast for the Blinky mascot background
to distract visitors less from reading the text on the page.
Yes, I've sent an e-mail request there.
Indeed ! marks
a line as "always use" while ? marks it as "ask user". Note
that there are a few bugs in the config, which I have listed
in a mail about 1.3rc3 or rc4 recently.
1?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMMEX.EXE NOEMS X=TEST I=TEST NOVME NOINVLPG
2?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMM386.EXE X=TEST I=TEST I=B000-B7FF NOVME NOINVLPG
device=DOS\JEMMEX.EXE X=TEST NOEMS
You could edit the "1..." line above by removing I=TEST NOVME NOINVLPG
to make it match the FD_NET example, while still being menu-driven: It
will still only be loaded when you select menu option 1 at boot.
Other differences worth copying are:
break=off
buffers=30
stacks=0,0
You can add those lines to your config, at any place, but for
readability, I recommend "nearby the old settings for those".
Of course, you remove the "!buffers=20" in the old config.
SHELLHIGH=C:\COMMAND.COM /E:4096 /P
That actually makes a big difference to your old
12?SHELLHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\COMMAND.COM C:\FDOS\BIN /E:1024 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT
The old line expects command.com to be in c:\fdos\bin\
while the FD_NET line has it in c:\ so only change the
old line if you want to use the command.com in the new
location.
Also note the different /E: values: They define how
much space you want for environment variables and you may
have to go from 1024 to 4096 if the network config needs
that much space.
My FreeDOS PC's FDCONFIG.SYS file now says this. Should I put `!' before
the BREAK and STACKS statements?
{SET DOSDIR=C:\FDOS
!COUNTRY=061,858,C:\FDOS\BIN\COUNTRY.SYS
!LASTDRIVE=Z
BREAK=OFF
!BUFFERS=30
!FILES=40
STACKS=0,0
!MENUCOLOR=7,0
MENUDEFAULT=1,5
MENU 1 - Load FreeDOS with JEMMEX, no EMS (most UMBs), max RAM free
MENU 2 - Load FreeDOS with EMM386 (Expanded Memory) and SHARE loaded
MENU 3 - Load FreeDOS without drivers (Emergency Mode)
MENU 4 - Load FreeDOS low with some drivers (Safe Mode)
124?DOS=HIGH
12?DOS=UMB
124?DOSDATA=UMB
1?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMMEX.EXE NOEMS X=TEST
234?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEMX.EXE
2?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMM386.EXE X=TEST I=TEST I=B000-B7FF NOVME NOINVLPG
34?SHELL=C:\FDOS\BIN\COMMAND.COM C:\FDOS\BIN /E:1024 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT
SHELLHIGH=C:\COMMAND.COM /E:4096 /P}
I assume you have already added things from the FD_NET
autoexec to your existing autoexec?
You are ahead of me! I need to hunt for such unknown magic
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Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
Dear Frank:
As I've already written, I myself have investigated the dark rabbit
hole of MS-DOS networking for you:
http://frantisek.rysanek.sweb.cz/FD_NET.zip
Unzip the three directories to your DOS hard drive, take a look at
the config.sys suggested, and see if you can get your DOS box to take
a breath of your LAN.
I have unzipped your package and copied MSNET, MTCPAPPS, and PKTDRV to
my FreeDOS PC's C: directory. The latter contains FDCONFIG.SYS.
Incidentally, in the page whose URL follows, I have difficulty reading
because of the background fish logo!
http://www.bootablecd.de/fdhelp-internet/en/hhstndrd/cnfigsys/fdconfig.htm
My FreeDOS PC's FDCONFIG.SYS file contents follow.
{SET DOSDIR=C:\FDOS
!COUNTRY=001,858,C:\FDOS\BIN\COUNTRY.SYS
!LASTDRIVE=Z
!BUFFERS=20
!FILES=40
!MENUCOLOR=7,0
MENUDEFAULT=1,5
MENU 1 - Load FreeDOS with JEMMEX, no EMS (most UMBs), max RAM free
MENU 2 - Load FreeDOS with EMM386 (Expanded Memory) and SHARE loaded
MENU 3 - Load FreeDOS without drivers (Emergency Mode)
MENU 4 - Load FreeDOS low with some drivers (Safe Mode)
124?DOS=HIGH
12?DOS=UMB
124?DOSDATA=UMB
1?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMMEX.EXE NOEMS X=TEST I=TEST NOVME NOINVLPG
234?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEMX.EXE
2?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMM386.EXE X=TEST I=TEST I=B000-B7FF NOVME NOINVLPG
34?SHELL=C:\FDOS\BIN\COMMAND.COM C:\FDOS\BIN /E:1024 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT
12?SHELLHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\COMMAND.COM C:\FDOS\BIN /E:1024 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT}
I found `!' and `?'.
{? (DR DOS 3.41 and higher, Embedded DOS[nb 2] and FreeDOS only)
Displays a Yes/No query and (since DR DOS 5.0) optional message to
ask the user for confirmation to execute the following CONFIG.SYS
directives.[14] (FreeDOS does not support optional messages, but
optional conditions in conjunction with boot menus defined with MENU and
MENUDEFAULT.) (DOS 6.0 and higher supports a similar feature by adding a
? after the corresponding CONFIG.SYS directive, f.e. DEVICE? or DEVICE?=
instead of ?DEVICE. This variant is also supported by DR DOS.)}
{! (FreeDOS only)
Unconditionally execute the following CONFIG.SYS directive.}
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONFIG.SYS
Whereas in your FD_NET, CONFIG.SYS contains this.
{device=DOS\JEMMEX.EXE X=TEST NOEMS
files=40
break=off
buffers=30
lastdrive=z
stacks=0,0
dos=high,umb
SHELLHIGH=C:\COMMAND.COM /E:4096 /P}
But I am unfamiliar with interpreting .SYS files. And so I need to do
some reading!
I take it that I am to merge the contents of your CONFIG.SYS into my
FreeDOS PC's FDCONFIG.SYS. But I am shy of doing so, and request
hand-holding guidance!
Bryan.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Forwarding and commenting a FreeDOS 1.3rc3 critical review
Dear Jerome: Time better spent improving things most users will appreciate. Things like adjusting installation paths and updating packages are more important to most people. I found art software for Linux. It's powerful. But the user interface is crummy. And there's no documentation! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
Thanks, Robert: If there's no problem of shelf space, get a used HP LaserJet 4 printer on eBay. I've made such an inquiry of the charity from which I got my refurbished (Linux PC) and laptop. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB / deprecate or improve PRINT queue tools?
I wrote: My main workhorse is a Dell OptiPlex GX270 running Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS. That is incorrect. My Linux PC is a Dell XPS 8300. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB / deprecate or improve PRINT queue tools?
Thanks, Frank: Bryan says he's got a Linux computer. My main workhorse is a Dell OptiPlex GX270 running Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS. I also have networked a Lenovo Thinkpad L430, also running Ubuntu. A printer that natively understand PCL3 ... will commonly understand plain text. I'll ask around for ancient printers. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
G'day Robert: I vaguely remember using ps2pdf in plain DOS 15 years ago. All is more complex now! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
Thanks, Ralf: Without any additional software, a printer being used from DOS needs to be able to receive plain text, with additional capabilities either through the industry standard ESC/P (developed by Epson, who was for a long time the leader in printers before laser printers started to show up, then they kind of missed the bus) or by being "LaserJet II" (PCL3) compatible. That rules out my Brother HL-3150CDN colour laser printer. An additional hurdle is that a lot of (El Cheapo) printers these days aren't actually processing "text/graphics into pixel" themselves anymore, but just expect to get all the final pixel data from the OS, which is not a problem for GUI OS like Windows or macOS, but pretty much is a no-go when printing from DOS. Full stop. Yes, my printer is GDI only! DOS as designed only supports good old parallel (as in Centronics) or RS-232 type serial connections. Both of those are rare as hen's teeth on both newer computers and/or printers. I do have both parallel and serial ports on my Dell OptiPlex GX270 running FreeDOS. I currently use the serial port for my POLAR Sport Tester PE4000 heart-monitor receiver-box. https://www.suchebiete.com/foto_Polar-Sport-Tester-PE4000-Pulsuhr_Interface,15849589.html Another possibility is printing on a networked printer, if that printer is accessible through an established network connection. Used to be a breeze back in the days on a Novell network, is a bit harder these days when you require SMB (and likely the nowadays frowned upon SMB 1.x protocol). But the whole networking on DOS these days is lik going down a really dark rabbit hole. :( That leaves us once again with the dreaded (from the viewpoint of operability in DOS) USB connected printers. Finding USB drivers, given that the printer is software compatible with DOS as mentioned above, will likely be an exercise in futility. :( -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB / deprecate or improve PRINT queue tools?
Thanks, Adam:
It's worse than that. I've tried to get many different printers
working under Linux (which generally has pretty good hardware support)
and it turns out that a lot of manufacturers cut corners on their
devices and don't support standard print protocols like PostScript or
PCL, and instead use a lightweight translation layer to pass the
drawing calls in the Windows API over to the hardware.
I've read that my Brother HL-3150CDN laser printer only does GDI!
It basically means there are a number of (usually cheap) printers out
there that will only work under Windows.
Ubuntu Linux prints to it OK. But apparently not my old PC running FreeDOS!
If you can find a modern printer that supports both
PostScript and PCL, there's a fair chance that you can still get a
parallel port interface adapter for it too so you won't need the USB
drivers anyway.
So what is a purchasable printer suitable for printing from FreeDOS on
bare-metal?
They're usually aimed at industrial/point-of-sale type
users where the modern equipment still all uses the traditional
interfaces.
I suppose something like this could list text.
{This is a thermal printer like you would find on a cash register or
adding machine. It will print simple strings passed to it via TTL
serial, bitmap images (poorly) and it can generate several different
formats of barcodes. This model can even print QR Codes!
The thermal printer takes 2.25" (57mm) wide thermal paper with a max
roll diameter of 1.5" (39mm). Thermal paper is inexpensive and commonly
found in most office supply stores in 85ft lengths. You may have to
remove some paper from these rolls in order for it to fit into the
printer. But, you can always use the excess paper in the printer, since
you don’t need to have a ‘core’ in the paper for it to work.
The back panel has 2 3-pin connectors; one for power and one for serial
communications. The thermal printer ships with default 19200bps baud rate.}
https://www.littlebird.com.au/products/thermal-printer-84b894b4-36b0-4928-a565-421143317622
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Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
You are right, Eric:
That would of course be the EASIEST option as long as your PC
and your printer both still have Centronics connectivity
The PC does, but the printer doesn't. Hm, I found the following.
{USB to Parallel Bi-Directional Cable
USB to Parallel Bi-Directional Cable
USB to Parallel Bi-Directional Cable
CAT.NO:XC4847
Parallel printer ports have disappeared from most modern desk top
computers and virtually all new notebook computers. This is not a problem}
https://www.jaycar.com.au/usb-to-parallel-bi-directional-cable/p/XC4847
That sounds more like a cable for printers which have
Centronics and PC which have none.
A local retired-technician agrees with you.
Probably better to use network or USB
I vaguely recall having read here that if I could find a PS2 keyboard
and mouse, then I might be able to print from USB. Perhaps then I might
ask the above techie to rummage through his containers of old stuff?
Note that if your printer is of the GDI variety, you will
not be able to print from DOS *at all* without adding a
computer with GDI drivers as translator between your DOS
computer and your printer.
{Print Languages GDI (host based)}
file:///tmp/mozilla_bryan0/HL-3150CDN_Brochure.pdf
If the printer understands
a language for which you have a DOS tool which speaks
it, such as HP PCL, ESC/P, PostScript, PDF or plain
text, you CAN print directly from DOS as soon as you
find a way to send data through suitable communication
channels between the two: Network drivers and netcat
or MS CLIENT, USB drivers and TYPE, COPY or similar?
Apparently not!
Does this offer any hope?
{HX DOS Extender
[Update: This program is no longer available.] HX DOS extender is a
32-bit and 16-bit DOS extender that not only provides DPMI services for
DOS programs but also provides a Win32 API layer that enables many Win32
console programs to work under DOS. It even provides limited support for
DirectDraw, GDI and OpenGL graphics. It supports the Windows PE file
format as well as the DOS MZ executable file format. Source code is
provided. At the time this review was written, it is one of the few, if
not the only, DOS extender still being maintained.}
https://www.thefreecountry.com/programming/dosextenders.shtml
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Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
Thanks, Frank: Epson dot matrix printers (ESC*P language) were perfectly willing to print individual characters, a line at a time I guess. They were (are) line printers and the ESC*P "language" is little more than an "extension" of raw ASCII + control characters (CR, LF, FF etc) by "escape sequences on top" - for switching fonts and maybe more complex tasks. Back in the day, I wrote in PROLOG, a custom word-processor outputting from my DOS palmtop to a dot-matrix printer. Laser printer formats are page-oriented, and are not "evolved from plain ASCII" in the way that sending a paragraph of raw ASCII text would yield visible output on paper, even if a "formfeed" provokes the printer to load paper and print a page (not sure if this even works). Even in PCL, you need to provide some commands to the printer, to place some text on the page and get it "rendered on paper". Let alone PostScript - quite a tightly specified "well formed" format. Obviously you can embed bitmaps in PCL and PostScript print jobs. Esc*P can do it too. When printing from modern software, every page can be just a huge embedded bitmap. And, there are printers that can *only* print bitmaps, albeit in a thin wrap of some standardized format: think PCLm (in spite of its name, it is a gutted / stripped down version of PDF). Is there some DOS software package that can take an input text file and output formatted for a modern laser printer? -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
G'day Eric:
Not sure which network chip your PC has?
networkNetLink BCM57788 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe
That would of course be the EASIEST option as long as your PC
and your printer both still have Centronics connectivity
The PC does, but the printer doesn't. Hm, I found the following.
{USB to Parallel Bi-Directional Cable
USB to Parallel Bi-Directional Cable
USB to Parallel Bi-Directional Cable
CAT.NO:XC4847
Parallel printer ports have disappeared from most modern desk top
computers and virtually all new notebook computers. This is not a problem}
https://www.jaycar.com.au/usb-to-parallel-bi-directional-cable/p/XC4847
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Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB
So, Frank: Install Samba on your Linux PC. It may take a wee bit of learning to configure, but it does not bite back. I can help with snippets of config to make it accept ancient DOS clients. Install the Microsoft Network Client for MS-DOS. You can install this from scratch, or you can try using/refactoring the NetBootDisk: https://www.netbootdisk.com/floppy/download.htm ...and then redirect the LPT device: NET USE LPT1: \\my_samba_server\printer_queue I take it the DOS PC will tell the Linux PC to print! This seems a bit complicated. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Forwarding and commenting a FreeDOS 1.3rc3 critical review
Jerome: Many people run FreeDOS on bare metal and their experience of installing the OS is extremely important. However, the overwhelming vast majority of users do not do that. They install into one of the virtual machine platforms. Therefore, their experience should be prioritized. FreeDOS 1.2 is the operating system on my Dell OptiPlex GX270 tower-PC. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Forwarding and commenting a FreeDOS 1.3rc3 critical review
G'day Eric: However, I have only quoted part of the post and not mentioned the name because my impression was that just publicly shouting how horrible and disgusting FreeDOS is cannot be the start of a productive discussion: Our enemies bless us by telling us our weaknesses! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
